But do you understand that /r/conspiritards and other trolls are the problem that needs to be dealt with here? Otherwise this is all very pointless.

Edit: Okay, he doesn't get it. He thinks the "hearts and minds" of nihilistic elitist sociopaths can be won over by censoring the legitimate posters here. Making concessions to the trolls is only going to make the subreddit worse. Stop trying to please them and please the legitimate users here. Months after the /r/conspiratards are gone then take an objective look at the subreddit and see what can be improved and how, but not until then. Not while a large number of trolls is actively working to ruin this subreddit by any means necessary.

You fucking nailed it with the edit.

Edit: Okay, he doesn't get it. He thinks the "hearts and minds" of nihilistic elitist sociopaths can be won over by censoring the legitimate posters here. Making concessions to the trolls is only going to make the subreddit worse. Stop trying to please them and please the legitimate users here.

Fuckin aye

There is absolutely zero reason that this tool is still a mod. When there are so many active, worthy users in this subreddit, why the mods are bending over backwards to allow this idiot to remain is a total fucking sham. The overwhelming majority want him gone. Fuck him, he brings nothing to the table. Remove him.

The only reason is that is that he has been corrupted and is controlled. He was called out, and believes that we will somehow forget. We won't.

The only reason is that, for some reason, none of the other mods will remove him.

If the other mods don't remove him, the other mods are compromised.

Lol

Agreed, don't stop with stepping down...kick rocks. Take a hike.

I can't upvote you enough man

Yeah, you nailed the problem. It's beyond ridiculous and can't be an accident that mods charged with protecting this place from trolls are reaching out to trolls and then banning the people here who are upset by it.

Well fucking put!

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tnrdj/usolidwhetstone_has_demoted_himself_conspiracies/

/r/conspiritard has 25 THOUSAND followers. Are you SERIOUSLY that invested in what 25k people think? You are overwhelmed by the thought that someone from that group might have something to say?

It says more about you and your insecurity that some other group just might, MIGHT say something and you can't handle it, then it does about that group...

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I have some time on my hands and feel like expressing myself. I'm making some Christmas day appetizers and they have 20 minutes left. I can easily express myself in 15 seconds.

That's trying too hard? I feel sorry for your girlfriend.

They have 23k fake accounts, created and controlled by scummiest of federal persona management software. They d not have anywhere close to that amount.

All meant to make the idiots believe their true opinions are not shared. We have identified our enemy. The games of yesterday, now that they are completely in the open, no longer work. They are in damage control, and are horribly failing. They will not succeed, and they will not change the minds of anyone with their criminal behavior.

It's scary you believe this.

"I assure you, this software will only be used against Americas enemies." Oh, and this whole thing. Do you remember that? A military base being the highest source of traffic to Reedit. Totally innocent. Just a lot of fine soldiers checking the latest shaped lies on r/politics. Not an active military psyopor anything.

I wouldn't expect you to, but believing that its not being used on you is incredibly foolish.

And why else would the restrictions against using propaganda on US citizens be removed? You're not the shapest tool in the shed, are you?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

Do you have evidence of supposed 23k-strong army of fake acounts?

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tnrdj/usolidwhetstone_has_demoted_himself_conspiracies/

...what? 3 out of the first 25 links on /r/conspiratard's front page are to /r/conspiracy (as of right now). Take a look for yourself.

I don't waste my time with idiots. They've tried everything they can do, all to little benefit to their cause. We're a threat to them. They've proven this many times over.

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And /r/conspiratard doesn't need to ruin your subreddit, you're doing an awfully good job as it is.

Rule 10.

May as well ban everyone in this thread for "attacking" the moderator.

After all, we're both stating the subreddit is being ruined, just you think it's done by the mod and I think it's being done by the users.

burg

And /r/conspiratard doesn't need to ruin your subreddit, you're doing an awfully good job as it is.

Snap! Did you come up with that joke all by yourself?

Exactly and that's the thing. 70% are mentally ill patients and 30% are paid shills by propaganda wings like media maters, ADL, and others. These are not reasonable people, their life revolves around destroying conspiracy and derailing discussions and insulting people here, these are sociopaths, that need real help, need to be in a mental institution for their own safety.

So, we don't talk about banning people from /r/liberal or /r/socialist or /r/conservative or /r/cringe because its not their stated life goal to go around in conspiracy and try to subvert the place.

When you have a bunch of mentally retarded patients who need to be in a mental institution going around intentionally subverting this subreddit then you have a problem.

If a mentally ill retard was following someone in real life 24/7 every day of the year he'd be put in a mental institution for the rest of his life where he belongs, here on reddit the equivalent in the ban hammer.

So you are right, you don't reason with empty headed mentally retarded persons, which conspiratards are.

Please don't run around calling people "mentally retarded" or "mentally ill". Especially not in this sub. This is extraordinarily inflammatory and unhelpful for any kind of dialogue. Even if we are talking about /r/conspiratards.

No, that's the truth. I can't hide the truth.

That is like saying don't say building 7 was blown up, its insulting to some people, better say fires destroyed it.

Sorry, but I can't do that. I have to tell the truth and the sad truth is that they are mentally ill retards and they need care, they need to be in mental institution. Its very sad, I mean I wish they had a brain, but its the sad truth, its way of life, someone has to be retarded.

sir, I will have you know that I have only been admitted to a mental ward twice. I am perfectly fine.

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whaaattt upvotes on /r/concpiracy .... impossible! Something is wrong with the world!

i just can't tell if you're being genuine or are purposely playing dumb. i really can't.

we're trying to tell you man - conspiritard is a subreddit that is literally devoted to trolling this subreddit. that is the entire purpose of its existence! it has no other purpose! there is no reason for anyone from /r/conspiracy to even communicate with those people, much less ask them for advice, or "seek diplomacy". the whole reason why they are there is to troll us! they openly admit this! it cannot be any more clear.

they are not interested in anything but trolling this subreddit. can we at least get a statement from you that recognizes that you understand this? because no offense, from your comments up until now, it seems like you straight up do not understand what's going on here. i'm not trying to bash you, i just want to make it clear what is going on here.

the more I think about it the more I think he should just completely remove himself. If a moderator can't see an obvious troll/circlejerk subreddit from a million miles away how can we expect him to know how to moderate at all.

Exactly.

Either he went to our trolls to ask how to make their trolling here more enjoyable or he was somehow so oblivious that he didn't realize conspiratard is a troll sub.

Either way he has shown a fundamental lack of understanding about our sub and shouldn't be allowed to moderate here.

What's he done, really? He hasn't done anything. He's still a mod, and can still take the same actions as before.

Except he is the bottom of the totem pole so he lost a lot of abilities he had before as a higher ranked mod. His sway in the group of mods is much less than before.

These type of people exist and thrive as bottoms. Especially when they utilize puppets to shield their own actions. See: 'puppet Obama'

That's why he needs to leave

lol aye the way he's talking he's heading for a ban never mind keeping his mod position

They are AFK acquaintances with at least one of the hate-group's ringleaders, ex-/r/conspiratard-mod /u/robotevil.

• http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tk5ls/moderator_of_rrachelcorrie_claims_to_know/

• http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tix3s/wtf_why_is_solidwhetstone_talking_to/ce900fw?context=1

i am aware of his antics. >_> i ate lunch with him and tried to convince him to stop trolling but he didn't want to.

They clearly do know what's going on.

Either he doesn't understand or he's trolling. Either way we're not going to get any action out of him. His idea to deal with trolls is to censor the real /r/conspiracy posters. This is incredibly frustrating.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tix3s/wtf_why_is_solidwhetstone_talking_to/ce900fw?context=1

They apparently know very well what's going on.

Its their standard MO. He clearly knows exactly what he is doing. His one problem is that his credibility is now completely shot.

i'm not asking for your opinion on them or their comments. nobody else here is asking for your opinion on them or their comments. we are telling you. i don't care what your opinion is on anything, frankly, and as a moderator, your opinion is not supposed to enter the equation.

we, the people who have been reading, commenting on, and supplying the content on this subreddit for years, are telling you, from our extensive personal experience, that /r/conspiritard, a subreddit within which everything is formatted to make fun of "conspiracy theories", exists to deliberately troll the subreddit /r/conspiracy. shocking, huh?

is this clear enough for you? i'm not asking you to ban these conspiritard posters. i'm not asking you to censor them. i'm asking you to publicly recognize that /r/conspiritard exists solely to troll /r/conspiracy and its members. can you do this or not?

my first comment on this matter comes from my agreeing with your emphasis on this matter.

this mod is severely misconstruing that sub, and seems to be attempting to point out to us the rationale inherent in diplomacy and criticism as though many here simply do not understand it, and as though this is the basis of the communication problem between the two subs.

he showed a large allocation of misjudgement when approaching that sub as he did, and i would feel more comfortable if he would step down as a mod and let someone more acquainted with the "situation on the ground" between these two subs take the job.

i was surprised to learn he had lunch with robotevil. how did something like that come about i wonder. more diplomacy?

personally, i'd like to see some investigation of that sub before extending any of that sort of diplomacy.

is this clear enough for you? i'm not asking you to ban these conspiritard posters. i'm not asking you to censor them. i'm asking you to publicly recognize that /r/conspiritard[3] exists solely to troll /r/conspiracy[4] and its members. can you do this or not?

He can't, because it isn't true.

Enjoy your Christmas eve, and then please step down from moderation completely for the good of this subreddit. You've done enough damage already.

Moderator means not having an opinion. You enforce the law of the land. You wouldn't want a federal judge tossing around his opinion would you :) p.s Im also Xmas whiskey drunk-ish

what this guy said . moderation is all about having your opinion(s) enter the equation as little as possible.

merry christmas

It's not okay for us to tell you that your opinion doesn't matter but it's okay for you to treat us as though our opinions don't matter?

It doesn't matter if their subreddit evolved into something more than "JUST TROLLING R/CONSPIRACY" in the time that it's been created. I agree with you that going hard with the ban-hammer is not the one-size-fits solution but I have been here for 6+ years and I'm telling you they are one the root causes of our issues in this sub.

so a quarter of the submissions to that sub mocking this one is acceptable to you?

how the fuck did this guy ever get to be a mod here? he is clueless.

$$$

You guys are a fucking parody.

Says the manchild that apparently believes every word of the fantasy that is force fed to him my the mommy telescreen, yet is unable to reconcile historical events and facts that swim against his shallow preconceived notion that all that happened yesterday and couldn't possibly happen today. Do you think project mockingbird was simply a one time exercise? How about officially legitimizing government propaganda under the unconstitutional NDAA - Sec. 1078? Direct question - do you think it is not actively being used on and against you need constantly?

Breaking it down, the only parody here is the sad excuse for a human being that submitted the post this message is in response to. This overgrowm manchild is either a shill, or thanks to coming from a long line of mass breeding anti intellectuals of highly substndard IQ.

It is sickening how the fools so nothing but create more. Seeimg the dumb creating even more and more idiocy with generation after generation. Regrettably I'm sure, though its not a atretch to believe that at least some of those created the next round of lesser mouth breathers with other family members. Seeing parents (is that title of honor even deserved?), dishonorably create significantly lesser copies of themselves. Stopping only when they or their parts break. The result of extremely poor parenting and even worse schooling. Void of any form of active learning or brainpower to look to history, to weigh evidence and testimoy, to actively determime credibility, or hell, even to just think critically.

[Note - the former has been identified thanks to public postings, though the latter very likely played a very large part. The identified shills, such as /u/Bodertz and his peers, through the mental deficits mentioned earlier, somehow actually believe they are changing the minds, views, and opinions of others with their predictable and played out tactics. Shallow methods repeatedly shown to have the exact opposite effect on the majority who can spot and see through it.]

People and groups with even just mid-level intelligence tend to change their tactics when they recognize their efforts are failing. It takes a very special kind of drone to continue on the exact same course, using the exact same failed actions, expecting them to miraculously start working on the masses. Behavior such as this would cease entirely if they didn't see the massive threat of being exposed. When such behavior becomes commonplace, it indicates that all other efforts have failed.

I can tell you that while I personally feel that most nonfiction today is largey rubbish, I never go out of my way to childishly mock those who do enjoy it. I don't infiltrate their discussions. I don't waste time reading ther posts. I don't exert so much as an ounce of energy caring about what they believe or discuss. What is your excuse, /u/Bodertz and the roughly 1/3 of the conspiri-tard participants in this thread? Are each of you so mentally weak that must come in packs? Are your lives so pathetically pointless that significant blocks of your obviously precious time is spent here attempting (see: failing) to counter undisputed facts and reports? All this over topics and events that you publicly label fiction, and not a threat to you, your credibility, or existence? Interesting. Your actions, specifically the energy and time you selflessly spend here screams deafeningly otherwise. The majority of us on /r/conspiracy see through your bullshit and lies.

See, now I'm a shill. I basically never post here. /r/conspiratard says some stupid shit too. You are just paranoid, though, thinking that everyone is a payed shill.

Your post history, as stated, indicates otherwise. Enjoy the 'jerk with like minded "intellectuals" elsewhere.

How so? How does my posting history prove that I'm a payed shill?

And seriously, I only commented on your post in this entire thread. I'm not really participating in this thread. You just said something stupid and I replied, that's all.

Anyway, how much am I getting payed, do you figure?

"Nah dude, seriously. I just hang out on conspiritard all the time, but uh...you know, I just like swing by here and comment from time to time?"

Sure buddy. I don't know about you, but I don't waste my time on things that disinterest me. Actually, we do know about you.

I don't hang out their often, though. Seriously, who are you confusing me with?

Anyway, how much am I getting payed?

Shill on, liar.

Okay, seriously though, you're a troll, right? And who is paying me, if you don't want to answer how much?

You're just a wheeling and dealing political mod fuck. Fuck you man, you don't have our best interests in mind, so merry christmas to you and fucking resign. We don't negotiate with fucking trolls.

He's less a troll, and more a paid and corrupted shill. And not a very intelligent one at that. Thankfully most shills are as well. That is why they are no challenge to identify and ignore.

Only 1/4? The rest is randpaul, libertarian, etc?

A majority of the content is off-site conspiracy theories, like imgur, Facebook screencaps, YouTube, random blogs, etc.

Pro Zionist bullshit. Mocking civilians that are senselessly killed and then mocked in death. It takes a special kind of psychopath. Remember, these same people were found killing American soldiers on camera on Iraq and Afghanistan to further the war and their goals. They are now crying like little sniffling bitches because we refuse to do their bidding against Iran. A country and people that are not our enemy. Zionists are our only enemy.

Okay then.

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tnrdj/usolidwhetstone_has_demoted_himself_conspiracies/

Dude, there are literally people who are paid to come on to reddit and post propaganda.

These people who are trolls are in the same alley, as only banning them will prevent them from continually harassing every person they can.

Seriously, do you not know how the internet works?

Here's how the internet works: "FUCK YOU GO DIE".

People like that can't be reasoned with.

yes Russia is always posting propaganda on here

Even though when filtered through the lens of "this is Russian propaganda" you actually learn some good information.

RT posts legit info, but yeah it's propaganda from Russia.

Propaganda about propaganda. Does that make it true? No, but it damn near always gives a solution to the bullshit propaganda in the first degree. Often this lets you see the propaganda for what it is.

That's what this sub is about. Learning from past propaganda. And present, most importantly.

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tn478/are_you_guys_getting_money_when_the_fuck_did_we/

They didn't even use a .np link this time.

EDIT: looks like they deleted it. Can't let anyone get banned for brigading. Probably gonna resubmit with a .np link so the admins can't tell if anyone is brigading.

They are paid to support the criminal state of Israel. When you must pay people to support you, you can very easily tell that there is nothing good that they do.

Israel isn't a criminal state.

What's criminal is the refusal of the UN to give any Palestinian refugees the help that they need to find homes and jobs, as opposed to their current system of locking them in to perpetual refugee status.

This is done on purpose so as to perpetuate the Palestinian/Israeli conflict so that they can play them both as bad guys whenever they like because they both shoot missiles at each other and both have groups that engage in what could be categorized as "terrorist activity", or extreme violence at the least.

The Palestinian/Israel conflict is way more complex than what people would like you to believe, as they're BOTH being used as pawns for political gains by individuals in positions of power who are actively helping to advance the NWO and they give no shits about anybody except for themselves.

Also, why must you specifically mention Israel?

This is what makes people think this place is racist, because you mention one thing and all of the sudden "IT'S DONE BY EVIL JOOS".

Yeah, it's done by evil muslims and christians and atheists and all other sorts of HUMAN BEINGS. The fuck does race or any of that shit matter?

Everybody engages in propaganda and the American and Russian governments both actively engage in it and even have propaganda organizations that do this very work of going on to social media sites to influence peoples opinions.

The first sentence of your reply was read, and then the remainder was promptly disregarded for your utter blindness to what is right in this world. Israel is a criminal state that clearly does not deserve to exist. When their crimina existence forces the rightful inhabotants, those who are murdered and treated as inferior, they have shown their true colors.

I am clearly not alone in this belief. The majority of the word despises the criminal state of Israel. They deserve every ounce of negativity they receive. Because ultimately you get what you give in this life. You treat others as substandard, then you yourself are seen as even lower. Can you name one single positive, humanitarian act that the Zionist controlled criminal state of Israel has done selflessly for others on the last year? The last 5?

What about people who PM users here stupid rants like this:

from DahvieVanity sent 4 minutes ago

Dude, I have more accounts than you could ever possibly keep track of. You have absolutely no idea what you have stuck your head into. My firm has your subreddit wrapped around our little finger. We are the ones that decide what lives and dies here. The content on your shitty subreddit is literally nothing more than a paycheck to me.

http://imgur.com/0rZy6R2

There is absolutely no reason to keep this person around. They produce nothing of substance here. Can we at least get a new rule that says "No Trolling" and maybe actually enforce rule number 9?

Cross posting links to conspiracy posts or comments, in other subs is subject to a ban, depending on context.

Their firm should have their entire ISP blocked from reddit if their sole purpose is to manipulate content.

That's actually standard practice over at the subreddit you're trying to appease.

... no it's not. Trolling paranoid people is standard practice on the internet in general.

No it isn't.

Who was the one who banned AssuredlyAThrowAway earlier today for saying the word "faggots" without any warning? Was that you? If you guys are so militant about enforcing the rules, why don't you enforce the other ones? Ban the people crossposting links here and the sock accounts that Bipolarbear0 has that spew blatant racism that is used to discredit this sub.

Edit: Here's another one: from AnalKidFucker sent 10 minutes ago

You are being watched.

Why don't you be a good little moderator and take it to the admins?

Seriously.

Because he's clearly one of them. He has done nothing to prove otherwise, and much to support this view.

It's some of the administrators themselves that are part of the problem. Isn't that part of what this very OP is about?

Maybe if you had some backbone, this wouldn't be an admin problem. Admins want to rule the site from a high level and ensure everything is legal. Moderators are supposed to be the backbone.

next time you are on your knees blowing /r/conspiratard, ask them about it

Why should you, of all people, have the ability to do ban people in the first place?

The problem with this is that they are not a serious subreddit so shouldn't be asked for advice on anything.

They are equivalent to /r/shitredditsays so asking advice from them is pretty much just asking to be trolled.

This is the internet, where feelings don't exist in some people. Trolls are out of controll, and there are no ways to reason with them.

Some men.. just want to watch the world burn.

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The subreddit's name contains a bigoted slur, it is entirely negative in nature, the moderators are morbidly obsessed with Rachel Corrie and prominent users from there have been caught numerous times running elaborate black-propaganda operations here.

Soliciting the advice of such morally repugnant people is troubling behavior to say the least.

That said, thanks for addressing the issue with this post.

a truly excellent post, thanks.

The subreddit's name contains a bigoted slur

And this sub-reddit has anti-semitism upvoted to the top a lot. Also a lot of holocaust deniers. Who knew some people in every community are assholes?!

The explicit purpose of this sub isn't to bash zionists, it just so happens that they are one of the biggest human rights abusers in modern times, and well, people who associate or support the zionist power structure are going to catch flak from users here.

Conspiratard on the other hand explicitly exists to make fun and stereotype conspiracy theorists. A cursory glance at the front page of conspiratard shows this to be true, hell, one of the titles of a post admits that most the subreddit is dedicated to making fun of posts here. None of the commenters seem to be in particular shock at this assertion.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tovx0/i_know_we_usually_make_fun_of_posts_from/

Morality aside they clearly do not have our best interests at heart, and seeking advice from them does not seem in our best interests either.

Diplomacy with people who don't even add anything good to this sub and mock and troll and brigade is not going to work

Have you actually looked at the thread where he asked for /r/conspiratard's opinion? He wasn't mocked or trolled, he got constructive and civil responses while this sub is going absolutely mental over him 'talking to the enemy'.

Despite all the talk about being open minded and skeptical and whatnot, this whole clusterfuck of a reaction reflects a lot worse on /r/conspiracy than on the supposed bad guy /r/conspiratard.

shill

He's right. I love you guys and r/conspiracy- this is my go to reddit and a large source of my news, but the conversation is much more...calm on the other side.

A lot of the arguments I have read here are about how nobody wants censorship in r/con, which I agree is the absolute worst thing that could happen in a place where people still have the right (and are willing to stand up for that right) to speak freely and share information. However, if you ban all of the r/tards, or kick off solidwhetstone for saying something or for speaking to others that you don't agree with, or like, or whatever, then isn't that kind of the definition of censorship?

Nothing gets solved without opposition. Opposition is what drives people to work harder, think critically, and learn humility. If everyone agrees with everyone, then there is no drive to go further. There is no new quest for information, there is no desire to keep going to find evidence, because when everyone agrees, that is all the confirmation that is needed and nothing gets done.

I get it that there is bad blood between the subs, and I don't doubt that there is good reason behind it. It sucks to be made fun of and to feel like you are being invalidated through what essentially comes down to bullying, and it isn't right. To react in the same manner in retaliation doesn't make it right. To instead use it to fuel your own fire- to make you better- that's how you win.

I don't really think that a conspiracy forum is the best place to get news imo. It can usually be quite bias.

All news is biased in some way. I find that it is imperative to cultivate a mix of news sources and develop informed opinions from there. I find a lot of really useful information from the comments on this sub- there are some very intelligent conversations that take place. As with any online forum, there will always be things that you don't agree with, but at the least, this sub will offer a different perspective, which is important to have.

Go read some of the top comments in their sub about this sub. Shit like this , this ... plenty more examples. And you want to ask them how to make this sub better? Come on man, it's pretty obvious there is no leveling with these people.

No response, of course.

Of course not. But just remember "LOLz those guys think our sole purpose is to discredit them"... Someone made a thread literally asking to remove tard because it's offensive and they mocked him and downvoted him, but yeah they're definitely people we want to reason with, and we're the bigots.

He's a coward, he just likes having a big e-peen. He doesn't care about rational discourse or our community. He's just trying to leverage his power elsewhere.

It's a joke. He is more suited to mod the default subs that love censorship and controlling discussion. Or maybe even conspiratard, they like him over there

He is more suited to mod the default subs that love censorship and controlling discussion

So he's perfect for this one then since everyone wants him removed and wants to ban everyone from /r/conspiratard. Isn't that censorship?

Have you ever read any comments on here about them? It goes both ways, don't act like your a victim when both sides make fun of each other and give each other abuse.

Of course they claim that. Because they're gaming you. Right now you're the hottest distraction topic on this sub. I'm mostly pissed about the amount of threads in this sub about the bonehead move you pulled. It's keeping the sub from focusing on important topics. I can't tell if you're genuine in your ignorance, but it doesn't really matter.

It's yet another Mission Accomplished for conspiritard. Congrats.

"Mission Accomplished" was so sad. An /atheism mod boasts about destroying /atheism in circlejerk and nothing was done about it. The voice of atheism was destroyed and they are still a mod. Somehow this seems eerily similar. Does not bode well for the future of /conspiracy.

Jesus, who doesn't? lol You gotta figure that besides the trolls, that place is filled with your "average american" who won't believe anything other than "keep calm, carry on." It would be nice if it was an actual antithesis that we could bounce theories off of and they'd be all skeptical and try to debunk it, like, actually try, but that's not what that sub is about. It'd be like if hail corporate tried to hold corporations accountable, or make their attempts more seamless, instead of just being a depository of all the ads. But you must be new here. We've all tried to "reason" with them but that was years and accounts ago.

You haven't learned a thing. It appears dealing with you is useless.

Just leave altogether, dude. You're clueless, you don't deserve to be bottom mod either.

What is a bottom mod, by the way? Do you know?

Sounds like the lowest position mod to me, and I assume it means power, and that's something solidwhetstone does not deserve here.

There's a sort of hierarchy among mods deciding what power they have over other mods. Being the at the bottom of that hierarchy means that all other mods can revoke his moderator permissions.

You don't get it.

Hearts and minds? Bullshit.

Those assholes come into this sub all the time and fuck up everything.

Fuck them.

wow you are so far off the mark its amazing.

please, fuck off.

p.s. merry xmas

Don't demote yourself. DEMOD yourself. Completely remove yourself from the mod team. You're not fit to mod this subreddit. One of the roles of a mod is to protect the community. And you ran to ask for help from exactly the people who have been trying to destroy this community. The fact that you can't admit this was wrong tells me you have been compromised in some way and are here to destroy r/conspiracy. Leave. Now. And don't ever come back

Go fuck yourself and fix this god damn subreddit

YES WE CAN, YES WE CAN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

This outcome was not what the majority of the active users were asking for. By only demoting yourself, and not really addressed your wrongdoing, you've pretty much done fuck all. Because no mod will delete you willy-nilly, it has to be a majority decision among themselves.

And I think you were upset because you didn't want things to change drastically here.

Wrong. You seem to only show remorse for people being upset and not what you did wrong. A lot of users here have been ridiculed, undermined, and bullied by /r/conspiratard. What you did was give legitimacy to the bullies with your antics and turn your back to those who have made this place what it is. THIS is why we don't trust you, nothing else.

If I ever accept you as a mod, I'd like you to address that and make sure to not disrespect the users here again.

On a side note, I have some suggestions that I feel would improve this place. The mods need to be more active in their interaction and only ban people as a last resort. Ask users nicely to edit out their wrongdoing first to keep things transparent. Besides dialogue, you can also add some guidelines outside of the rules on how to keep things civil. The rules are good, but they're too few and not efficient enough. You should also remove the silly symbolism like the "Men In Black" aliens and the pyramid to give more legitimacy to this subreddit to really own the word "conspiracy". Maybe use a Reddit alien with a question mark above his head to symbolize an open mind?

However, seeing as to how little mods listen to users here anyway, you probably wont give a shit.

You do have to give him some credit though. Dude has been in the threads responding to us a lot. Every time I criticize him, he responds and states his case. Now he demotes himself so that anyone can delete him.

I'm not sure what to do or what's best. Honestly I'm not. I don't know how we would get "good" mods or even "better" mods.

Election? What if bipolarcunt wins? What if we get brigaded during the election and he is put in?

Choice of a small group? Worse. Who is in the small group?

Personally I think the best leadership is no leadership. That's why people got upset at sws. He did something. He needs to be more zen about this and do absolutely nothing, because any move he makes will piss us off because ultimately we don't want a leader.

If he can learn to do nothing and be a name on teh sidebar it's ok. I think he was jsut a bit too much of a go-getter trying to make this place into something it will never be.

I agree about giving him credit, it's why I was fairly accepting of him in my post. But he's either too stupid to try to force his way against a community that is deadly allergic to authority, or he is too stubborn to admit defeat. Either way, the moderator role is not that sacred to step down from. It really isn't a big deal to keep people in check, because that's all a mod should do. The direction of the content should not be controlled by the mods, but this guy seems to think he is the spearhead for a coming revolution, based on some of his earlier replies.

I completely disagree, if he had posted a threat on r/conspiracy about what should be done to improve this sub, the opinions surrounding him would be diametrically opposite to what they are now.

There are some actions as a moderator which would be fairly in line with the majority of the sub wants, but asking our adversaries for advice is not such an action.

What you did was give legitimacy to the bullies with your antics and turn your back to those who have made this place what it is.

A hate group?

You should also remove the silly symbolism like the "Men In Black" aliens and the pyramid to give more legitimacy to this subreddit to really own the word "conspiracy".

Guess what, to you those are silly just like to the rest of the world 9/11 being an inside job is a very silly idea. Basically people who buy into that stuff are going to call you a shill for wanting "the truth" removed.

Major straw man. It was a small suggestion, not world changing.

Where is the barrier though? I think 90% of the stuff here is retarded and would remove anything that can't be verified. How about Holocaust denialism? Is that silly symbolism or a legit topic?

Your 90% differs from mine and others. That's the whole fucking point of this subreddt. If you can't accept that, there's always /r/aww for you.

This is why this subreddit needs guidelines, because we always see ignorant comments like yours and the "this is not a conspiracy" inputs.

So again I am going to ask you, where do you draw your line? You were the one talking about removing threads you deemed silly.

I think you misunderstood me. I meant the icons that are used in the layout. The content shouldn't define this subreddit, it should be an attitude of open-mindedness and respect for those who foster differing opinions than yourself. It's why I think the symbolism should go.

Upwards of half the content here is questionable to me. Someone posted an image from a Martian space probe that presumably had taken photos of pyramids on Mars. Most people in that thread entertained the idea, and many believed it, but I didn't. I still wasn't condescending to those who did and shared my skepticism in a civil manner and engaged in discussions with those who disagreed with me. It was a thread that was preposterous to me, but I still left it with more appeasement than most discussions I've had in other subreddits. That's how it's supposed to be done here.

What you did was give legitimacy to the bullies with your antics and turn your back to those who have made this place what it is. THIS is why we don't trust you, nothing else. I'm really sorry and this was truly not my intent.

I would like to know if you understand where he is coming from, and if you think his point has any validity?? If the answer to these is no, (honestly.... and your apology did not address, or reveal your opinion about that), I think you need to step down. It is a long term problem, and by your actions you have legitimized behavior that actively attacks users of this sub, and therefore you cannot hold your position with any legitimacy.

edit- too many legitimacy, validity instead.

I'm really sorry and this was truly not my intent.

You may backpedal your way out of this one yet. I hope you have learned a few things about this community.

We love this sub and we want to keep it. We put up with a lot of bullshit here, but it's worth it. /r/conspiracy has been my favorite website for years, I really don't want to see it go to shit. Thanks for being semi-cool about everything. Merry Christmas.

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He's a traitor! He was consorting with the enemy! Burn him!!!

Dude, just stop. Please, just stop. It's obvious you work for the Obama social media team or a pr firm and your goal is to disrupt this subreddit. You're actually doing a good job but you can't win. The users here are too smart and you won't last.

And THIS is why conspiracy theorists are never taken seriously.

Why? Is it because pr firms don't actively influence reddit? Is it because the Obama admin doesn't actively monitor and influence social media? Surprise, both of those things are true and they do happen. I pity you if you honestly believe the Obama admin doesn't keep very close eyes on reddit.

Maybe defiantshill never saw the Obama AMA

Unlike the over medicated proles, we do not forget. This will not "blow over."

You are speaking the truth. They will stop at nothing to control the online modes of open communication. The puppets for those that still buy into politics as more than theater and divide and conquer, and the actor Alex Jones, actor, for those not intelligent enough to spot his sophomore tactics. Controlled opposition. They didn't spend hundreds of millions on their propaganda machines and persona management software for nothing. Especially as they attempt to make the masses believe their opinions are not shared and that the people must be disarmed for "their own good." I'm afraid they are fighting a losing battle, and far too many have awoke to see the truth for the first time in decades.

As I said earlier, we will not forget. We will not give up. And we will not lay down. We will fight with everything we have. Evil will not succeed. Lies will no longer flourish.

This outcome was not what the majority of the active users were asking for

Over 200k subscribers. About 12 people complaining non-stop. In your mind, that is "the majority".

I've been back to Reddit for less than 3 weeks and THIS is the silliness that I find.

Might as well be the death-days of DIGG. All of you are so drunk on self-importance, the actual issues don't matter. It's like junior high in here.

This whole thing is extremely silly, and it's also a waste of time. But you're not realistic in your assessment on how many are against him.

What he did was bad. My philosophy on /r/constpiratard is to ignore them to the fullest extent. But solidwhetstone went a step beyond that by legitimizing their behavior. I was here before their subreddit even existed and have seen all their bullshit, but it hasn't had detrimental effects because /r/conspiracy has tried to ignore them completely. That's not the case anymore by having one of the mods here reach out to them and given them a platform.

Add to that that he doesn't even recognize what he did wrong and the only remorse he feels is that people got upset over it. There are a shitload of good people here who have a clearer understanding of the situation and deserve to be mods way before him.

What he did was bad

So what? People post bad crap in this thread EVERY DAY. Do you call them out? Make it a ban parade?

What he did was TALK TO SOMEONE YOU DON'T LIKE. Simple as that. And look at the freakout that ensued. If you REALLY believed in what you do, you wouldn't care.

The insecurity that led to this travesty says WAY more about the people in the subreddit than it does about his perceived slight. What you are saying is don't you DARE talk to someone with a differing opinion. Don't you DARE penetrate the bubble I want to create. Don't you DARE challenge willful ignorance.

It's sad and pathetic. You can't stand on your facts. You HAVE to have a scapegoat.

You clearly have no understanding of the history between the two subreddits, nor have you any sympathy for those who have been made fun of, for the sake of ridicule only, and not openhearted discussion.

The insecurity that led to this travesty says WAY more about the people in the subreddit than it does about his perceived slight.

Of course we're fucking insecure! Everything I write here is proven to be stored in a database with my IP as a tag. That one bug in my mind that irks me whenever I write something. In addition to that, there's also a small bug in the back of my mind that my posts can be fished out to be made fun of over at /r/conspiratard. Then we have this moron of a mod to go to these scumbags to ask for advice. How the fuck am I supposed to feel about it?

If you don't recognize that, you shouldn't keep being condescending, because a lot of people have now shown to be extremely pissed off about it, and you need to respect that.

The subreddit is /r/conspiracy. If you can't take a little fun poked at you, then you should just give it up and get off the internet.

People "extremely pissed off" should seriously think about why they are so invested and why they have no sense of humor.

So your argument is based on "stop being a pussy and grow some balls". Duly noted.

You clearly have no understanding of the history between the two subreddits

It's the same old Digg garbage, recycled for 5 years later. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

I know you want to be friendly with everyone, even our detractors, but you have to understand that this sub literally has enemies. Even if you're legit and learned your lesson, most people here will never trust you again, including me.

Wow i just read through some of the opinions of that conspiratard link. I have to say, you NEED to step the fuck down.

There is plenty of things in this sub i think are complete bullshit, but its open, and discussed, i take no part untill i find something i like, or maybe disagree and discuss if i fancy.

But i do not disrespect other users whose ideas are different to mine. Those guys over there are fundamentaly opposed to the very concept of this sub. What next? Moot getting improvement tips from SRS?

But the arrogance and assumptions of half of the people over there (in the thread you linked), and their condescension towards anyone that may post here, is tangible. And your desire to break bread with them while they piss on the very concept of the sub you mod, is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain at his finest.

Go mate go, you sold this sub out and all its users. go.

Moot getting improvement tips from SRS

If he ever did, I like to think he would be doing it as a hilarious joke.

Seriously its as simple as this. If I post say something about fema camps on r/conspiracy, I am going to get legitimate responses telling why or why not this is a conspiracy.

If I post something about fema camps on r/conspiratard, I am likely going to get a response saying how fucking stupid someone would be for believing in fema camps.

The r/conspiratard sub is literally an opposite for everything this sub stands for. Why should we have those people hating on our sub if we dont have to deal with it?

fema camps on r/conspiracy, I am going to get legitimate responses telling why or why not this is a conspiracy.

Why is it whenever somebody posts disagreeing with a conspiracy or asking for evidence they get downvoted? I was hoping /u/solidwhetstone would be able to help with this, but I guess not anymore.

That's all we need. To follow all of the other corrupted propaganda subreddits that have taken over reddit. Sadly though, its already happening. And this "effort" here means nothing. Seeing power corrupt is no longer a surprise to anyone.

They are moving as slowly as possible so there is not a mass exodus - Digg style. Give it time. They can only hide their motives for so long.

What the flying F does conspiratard have to do with you posting here? Your fascination with a subreddit that doubts you is overwhelming. So WHAT if some other subreddit has an opinion? Did you post there?

No, they are extremely easy to disregard entirely. They are nothing but a joke. A group of IDF shills. Their opinions matter little, if at all. They have proven their core objectives. Greasy, slimy nothings.

I wonder how you would feel if someone said something similar about you, with just a couple words changed. It would take very little to accurately peg you in a similar manner. Do you even realize that, or is willfull ignorance and confirmation bias more important to you?

I'm not here for the benefit of others. I care little for labels thrown around by wortless, ignorant fools. Too stupid to see the truth inches away from their face. Plugging their ears when the light of truth is uttered. Thankfully I'm not the only one that can see through the lies. Though the bought and controlled puppets that never think for themselves and do nothing but the bidding of their master. All for a few scraps, and ultimately an inability to fall asleep with a good conscience. Knowing that for those scraps, they have sold out their fellow man.

These fools will be used intil they are no longer useful. They fail to recognize how meanknglessy pathetic they truly are. A circle of hell has been created for their soulless actions and flawed beliefs.

It seems there's a misunderstanding. People aren't asking for you to be demoted; they want you de-modded.

Yeah, unlike him we don't want him banned either. We just don't want a guy/mod hovering over our heads whom many feel is biased. That uneasy feeling alone is stifling so much opinion and debate. Everyone's afraid they could be next to get the ban-hammer.

Remove yourself.

I am entirely seperated from all this drama but I have witnessed it. I just have to say you are dealing with it quite respectfully and patiently. I hope you have a great christmas aka the superjesus megamoney spendathon!

I am new. And I still don't understand what is going on here. I have talked with people from r/conspiratard too, and they explained me that they exist basically in order to laugh at r/conspiracy related people.

Anyway, I think the only problem of r/conspiracy is that there are too many trolls here, who are spamming every discussion with ignorant, annoying posts. I witnessed that it is just impossible to have a serious conversation here, because of those annoying troll posts.

I don't know what is the difference between being a mod and bottom mod around here. I just know that all the mods concern around the world is about only trolls, who are ruining serious discussions of people who are willing to post on topic. I think that's all folks.

Anyway, I wish a Merry Christmas to anyone.

it is just impossible to have a serious conversation here

That's just because of the drama that's currently taking place. When things cool down there will be less trolls and more conversation. Stick around for a little while.

I have yet to see this sub "normal" then. I was a lurker for about 4 months before finally making an account and this was one of my favorite subs for the articles but the comment section has been horrible since day one. Not horrible enough for me to unsubscribe ( I'm looking at you r/atheist) but horrible nonetheless. I still lurk here because of that.

Well just remember that disagreeing with anything here, especially when you provide citations and evidence is rock solid proof that you are a secret government shill.

It wasn't always this way. This sub used to be a great place for great, uninterrupted conversation about various topics.

If you've read the OP and the comments in even the very first post you provided, you'll certainly know that /r/conspiratard exists primarily to troll /r/conspiracy. Why would you go to those whose primary goal is to troll this sub in search of advice concerning how to improve this sub?

Because /r/conspiracy has been infiltrated. I agree, I've had posts posted to tard for no other reason to mock and troll me personally. I was actually flattered, but the fact remains, the sub is strictly REACTIONARY to this thread and has no other purpose then to troll and to mock anyone that goes against the grain, or the gander, collectively, and questions the information being given.

This is the post that was created with false information, and for the purpose of mocking me personally.

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1kcd5e/conspiratard_pays_4700_promoting_freejahar_tweets/

Why would you go to those whose primary goal is to troll this sub in search of advice concerning how to improve this sub?

Because it's not their primary goal, they just want to make fun of conspiracies after being attacked by so many conspiracy theorists just for disagreeing with them.

/r/conspiratardness

A good power bottom, may all those on r/conspiracy give you a white Christmas.

lol

Is there even such a thing as a "bottom mod". This sounds like a lie. Please prove me wrong.

Someone remove this fool and call it a day.

Here's an idea, ask /r/conspiracy how to make /r/conspiracy better

Too crazy?

I bet if you asked us the majority of us how to make this sub better would we would say remove yourself from mod position, if you are so concerned about how to improve this sub even so far as going to that god awful sub /r/conspiratard, you would listen.

But maybe it is not your aim to improve this sub, but to stifle discussion. Yeah, that's probably it.

I've had posts posted to tard for no other reason to mock and troll me personally. I was actually flattered, but the fact remains, the sub is strictly REACTIONARY to this thread and has no other purpose then to troll and to mock anyone that goes against the grain, or the gander, collectively, and questions the information being given.

As a mod to this sub, /u/solidwhetstone should know without a second thought the feelings of this thread about tard, and their true purpose, and the fact he posted this to a sub built on discrediting the sub he's asking to make better, he should step down completely, this is not forgivable, and threatens the integrity of the entire sub.

I've also had several posts removed by him that were critical of Amazon.com, check my post history. Anyways, this is not sufficient, and I hope the mod leaves, and this community continue to demand it.

This is the post that was created with false information, and for the purpose of mocking me personally.

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1kcd5e/conspiratard_pays_4700_promoting_freejahar_tweets/

Synopsis.

Mod solidwhetstone posts in the subreddit dedicated to trolling /r/conspiracy with a big sign on his back saying:

"TROLL ME"

"TROLL /R/CONSPIRACY MORE"

He gets trolled by them and /r/conspiracy gets even more trolled by them. What a surprise.

Solidwhetstone doesn't see anything wrong with that and thinks he should still be a mod.

And everyone crying to have him removed isn't making that any better, you think the /r/conspiratard regime are ignoring the whole "remove solidwhetstone" chatter? you think their not manipulating the vote system with their brigades?

In a way were helping them troll us.

Once he posted in that sub, everything that has followed was inevitable.

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Because of the fringe crowd here

Look at the post requesting his removal as a mod. 3088 votes for removal and only 1402 against. 68% is not just "the fringe crowd".

they think he's in cahoots with Bipolarbear because he "defends the jews"

I don't think you've been keeping up. See here.

Is your evidence he's "in cahoots" with bipolarbear the fact that bipolarbear responded to his thread? Pretty solid!

I may have used the wrong term, by "the fringe crowd" I meant the people who went over the top because of what he did, I wouldn't use the votes in that thread to speak for the decision especially the way people throw around words like shill and brigade, and sometimes people voice their opinions and don't vote so knowing the actual for/against figures is kinda difficult, especially keeping in mind their "downvote brigades" argument.

My opinion is just that though, an opinion. he didn't do anything worth removal, asking "the enemy" for advice? On how to improve the sub and he made his case why he did that. He wasn't silencing dissent or banning people for not liking something they said yet your 68% treated him like he was bipolarbear, that's why I'm calling them a fringe crowd.

I know this isn't a popular opinion but I could care less if they downvote me because I have my opinion and what I see here is smoking mirrors and self-mutilation, soon we will have no /r/conspiracy to discuss real conspiracies.

Well, I'm not downvoting you. I disagree about his being removed as a mod but at least you're being reasonable about it all. That's more than can be said about some on both sides of the issue. I do agree with you about that.

Well your not a part of the problem then, I'm not worried about my karma just the argument in total, if any defense of solid gets downvoted how is the opposition supposed to have any defense? If by both sides your referring to /r/conspiratard or just the people saying there is nothing to be angry about then yes some people should hear out all the arguments first.

I stick by what I said though I think some of the people (maybe a very small amount) who wanted him completely gone were just angered by him speaking out against hate speech, because they want to bash jews, and I've been informed by a few people here that this is not an untrue statement.

just angered by him speaking out against hate speech, because they want to bash jews

I completely disagree with that. That's the conspiratard mentality talking. They, as a group, want everyone with negative opinions of Israel to be called anti-Semitic. They want everyone with negative opinions of Zionism to be called anti-Semitic. They want everyone with negative opinions of international bankers to be called anti-Semitic. The fact is that many here have those same negative opinions but are not anti-Jew. But for some reason, the conspiratard sub gets very angry about anyone knowing, for example, that the heads of the Federal Reserve for the past 50 years have all been Jewish. To them, anyone pointing out that fact is "anti-Semitic". They want to keep that kind of information hidden and out of everyone's mind. None of that has anything to do with the Jewish family next door but they want us all to think so.

I've been informed by a few people here that this is not an untrue statement.

Racism is not allowed here, per Rule #1 on the sidebar, and if "a few people" have told you it is then they're most likely trolls from the conspiratard sub using alt accounts.

Edit: As I mentioned earlier, solidwhetstone got trolled when he went over there and he still doesn't even realize it. Sadly, it looks like a lot of people don't realize it.

Here is my case that hate speech exists, my most recent encounter;

• http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1t4ct3/anyone_else_seeing_more_and_more_insane/ce4khtc?context=3

Americans Against Terrorism. Right. Jews had nothing to do with this ad, right?

& all you have to do is look at his history, & if your not a selective reader you'll see there are plenty like him here to jump on the -scumbag israeli Gov.- hating bandwagon, ignoring other scumbag governments like say NK (but that's another rant altogether) and just quote Hitler, blaming "Jews" for everything.

I know zionism exists, I know the Israeli Gov. are quite devious, what I don't know is what the point of relating world problems to jews, we could just say bankers, the 1%, all kinds of labels, but pointing out their ethnicity/religion shouldn't make anyone wonder why you get written off once you go that route.

the heads of the Federal Reserve for the past 50 years have all been Jewish.

& every president until obama has been white christian, china all chinese bankers have been chinese, what did I achieve by pointing that out? What is the solution to pointing out jews apparently have held a majority of financial/economic positions? Do we make it illegal for jews to have such jobs since them being criminals & apparently all part of a system of the 1% makes them so hard to persecute, well Germany tried that, the Nuremburg laws, & since you claim to not to be antisemitic I doubt you want that.

That's the conspiratard mentality talking.

Nope, just my brain, don't go to that sub, nobody can influence the way I think with irrationality. I don't talk to anyone there, the people who I referred to, have history in this sub only, so no it's just my opinion that comments like the one I linked, & many like it aren't protesting Israel but simply bashing jews. & this I believe is what solid was against, & they don't like someone getting in the way of their agenda.

Theres protesting Israel, then theres denying that there are bound to be neo nazis jumping in the mix, instead of simply admitting theres a problem & not supporting/hiding it.

You seem to have missed my whole point. "Bashing" some Jews is not the same as "bashing" all Jews.

I don't know is what the point of relating world problems to jews, we could just say bankers, the 1%, all kinds of labels, but pointing out their ethnicity/religion shouldn't make anyone wonder why you get written off once you go that route.

Nowadays most everyone in the west relates the world's problems to Muslims.

• Do you call those people racists?

• If Muslims controlled most all of the world's usurious banks and people pointed that out, would you call those people racist too?

• How about Christians? If Christians controlled the world's banks and people pointed that out would you call those people racist?

Of your answer to those questions is "no", then why do you insist it is racist to point out the fact that they are Jewish? Who has enough power to make you believe that?

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Judaism is an ethno-religion, that is why racism is a term that can be applied

Well then, since your position is that Sammy Davis Jr. and Benjamin Netanyahu are of the same race, I just don't have any interest in continuing here. At first I thought you were a bit more rational than that. That's what I meant earlier about the conspiratard mindset. Pity.

Well I'll first handle your accusation that I think;

Sammy Davis Jr. and Benjamin Netanyahu are of the same race

IN SD Jr's case he is religiously jewish, in Netanyahu's case he is ethnically hebrew & religiously jewish, so when people criticise jews without context like the comment I linked to you calling it racist isn't an impossibility, you seem to ignore this. & your statement;

If Muslims controlled most all of the world's usurious banks

Replacing Muslims with jews as you were making the point, could be considered, & I was just pointing it out that calling unspecified "jew counting" racist is not incorrect, be specific which jews, then if you do, why does their ethnicity, or religion matter at all if you've identified them? Why is that so hard to answer?

Lastly why do you find one point I made that isn't incorrect & twist it to look ugly then ignore an easier question? I find it a pity you'd rather derail the discussion. & I'm now curious as to your mindset, are you trying to convince me or someone else that comments/accounts like this are not the least bit hateful?

[EDIT]; I'll refer to the side bar to make my point clear;

This subreddit is a thinking ground, above all else we respect everyone's opinions and ALL religious beliefs and creeds. We hope to challenge issues which have captured the public’s imagination. From JFK, UFOs, gulf of Tonkin and of course 9/11. This is a forum for free thinking - not hate speech. Respect other views and opinions, keep an open mind.

You might believe that applies to you & the people you seem to be defending only but it doesn't, it applies to everyone, & pointing out Bernanke, Greenspan, whomever of your last 5 "Jews" might seem like free speech, & for the sake of argument lets say it is, let's pretend it's bad 5 men are apparently jewish & that's somehow different than any given US president being Christian, the comment I linked you still isn't free speech it's clearly hate speech & like I said a small group of people here are disrespectful if you disagree.

& by the way, it is not a position I hold it's literally the definition of the word jew, my mistake for saying judaism, you were right to use the term "jew"

• http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

The Jews (Hebrew: Yehudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim] Standard: Bnai Yisraʾel; Tiberian: Bnai Yiśrāʾēl; translated as: "Children of Israel" or "Sons of Israel"), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group

So when someone says simply "Jews control the federal reserve" or "Jews had nothing to do with this ad" without context calling that racially ignorant is a belief that isn't illegal in tthis sub as per the sidebar;

This is a forum for free thinking - not hate speech.

[EDIT]; Anyway merry christmas.

Serious question:

Do you believe that any circumstances exist at all which would make it appropriate for him to post there? Or do you think the idea so toxic that it should be completely out of the question?

I don't think there's any reason why he shouldn't be able to post here. He just shouldn't be a mod with any power over the rest of us.

I wonder if we here in /r/conspiracy are ensnared in a classic "problem reaction solution" situation right now.

Here's an excellent summary I stole, their caps not mine..

IN CONCLUSION: ELITES CREATE ENEMIES IN ORDER TO RE-ORDER SOCIETY IN THEIR OWN TYRANNICAL IMAGE. THEY DO SO BY COMMITTING ACTS OF TERRORISM AGAINST THEIR OWN BUILDINGS AND BEAURACRACIES, THEN CHOOSING THE SCAPEGOAT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE 21ST CENTURY IS THAT THESE 'ENEMIES' ARE MORE BELIEVABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN MANUFACTURED AND EMPOWERED BY THE ELITE. I WISH TO DRAW NO COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE 4TH CENTURY CHRISTIANS AND AL-QAEDA, BUT THEY WERE BOTH USED FOR THE SAME PURPOSE: TO BRING ORDER OUT OF CHAOS.

So whetstone will come down, we'll bring in a new mod to purge, and that mod will be the real tyrant.

Yes indeed. All the hallmarks of a classic psy op actually.

Not far enough. You really are not popular here, and you won't get popular. You may think this will blow over but it won't. I've been here a long time, under various names, and I can tell you, this kind of shit never blows over.

we wont forgive, we wont forget, unfit to mod this sub, end of story.

/u/4to2 is a racist

spreadingthetruth

from your comments and actions you barely qualify as a legitimate member of this sub let alone a mod. you do not deserve the position you hold, i don't know how or why you got it, i don't know how or why you still hold it.

please, G. T. F. O.

You conspired with a self appointed enemy.

self demotion is insufficient.

The fact that a moderator would initiate correspondence with r/conspiratard is rather disturbing. When you thank them for "toning it down", you are acknowledging and even encouraging there being the existence of a nuisance in the first place. This is very similar to a government that "fights terrorism/crime" while also ensuring and guaranteeing that there be a small level of it always in existence.

This is the basis for much of the false-flags of our society, and govts fighting the same people they partially prop up. You are doing the same thing in this forum. You should be trying to actively ban the false-flaggers, instead you are cheering them on for "toning it down", while at the same time legitimate members have been banned by you.

You're still a mod. This means nothing. Get out of /r/conspiratard or get out of here....

Christmas family drama at its best!

http://www.laphroaig.com/

I'll raise a glass to that.

I know you have admitted to mistakes but I'm glad you stayed as a mod. I think you are well intentioned and this is a hell of a sub to moderate, /r/awww it ain't

Good, now ask us what you asked them. Even if it feels pointless or hopeless at least you try and you try with the people that are part of it.

Who knows, maybe it can have a good outcome or a bad one, you won't know until you try.

LOL. Guy demotes himself to "lesser" mod. We see what you did there..THANK GOD THE MOD THAT TRIED TO DESTROY CONSPIRACY IS STILL A MOD. WHEW.

This is like Obama stating "No boots on the ground" and parks 200,000 marines 3 miles from your coast.

It wont be long until we can only post from and have a "trusted" list of sources that are prescreen preapproved MSM propaganda outlets. Following right in the footsteps of /r/politics and /r/news, /r/worldnews.

Its ok tho, solidwhetstone is now a lesser mod! No seriously. Not sure if hes trolling or if he actually thinks we are THAT stupid.

we don't want you demoted, we want you gone, you are naive and a fool

There is so much hatred in these comments it's sickening.

So a half assed apology for getting caught and blamed?

This is /r/conspiracy, everyone here combs through footage of politicians doing the same thing. As someone said before, pull a Nixon and leave.

If this happened in any other subreddit, forum, discussion board or even a regular website? Youd be tossed out VERY quick. Even if we were to assume you had the best intentions, you dropped the ball. There is no other way to slice it.

Leave.

How much abusive mail did you receive?

Holy shit this sub can be hypocritical as fuck when they're angry. Don't let r/conspiritard downvote everything discriminately but it's OK for us to do it when we're mad at mods.

Haha I tried that once, I got 70+ down votes a comment.

Nice try, robot.

I'm sorry "rest of the mods" but this guy sounds like a schmuck to me. I wouldn't allow them a second chance as a mod. There's no reason to allow someone to be bottom bitch when they already admit to not being worthy of your trust.

Take their advice and "move forward". All this is doing is creating more drama. Man, I leave for a few weeks and all the shitheads come out.

Amen to that! I got lost in a game and THIS is what I come back to?!

you guys acting like there is no conspiracyv2

Amen. /r/ConspiracyV2 is exactly why it was created IMO. By only letting those who prove themselves here or other posts on reddit first, you weed out the conspiratard throw away accounts, and really get a true idea how fellow free thinkers feel about a certain story or comment.

How do I gain access? I can't find a link there to message the mods.

Here's a link that says message the mods. There's also a sticky I believe where posters can post usernames that they want to invite in. /u/OWNtheNWO was the creator of the sub and had finally say in who could post, and who couldn't, but he too was fed up with v1 trolls, and hasn't posted in a while (although the sub continues to post new content)

http://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FConspiracyv2

Yeah I remember when he started it, but he made it private after a while.

I'll try messaging. Don't know if he's the only active mod to answer.

Thanks.

Here's the other mods of that sub

MODERATORS

/u/OWNtheNWO /U/jakenichols /u/uncensorship /u/Weedtastic

I really don't understand the current witch hunt.

A mod was over at conspiratard! Remove him!

I hate how alternative opinions get downvoted, regardless of their contribution, and that's the real problem with this sub. We can continue to scapegoat this ONE mod but all of you know removing him will NOT solve this subs problems.

Please...just stop this circlejerk over your hate of our satire sub. Work toward more meaningful content, in-depth discussion, and less misleading titles that make bold claims but only link to pathetic fringe sites with no sources/facts.

The madness is over the fact that he's banned legitimate members. People are worried when they'll be next. He even cited a reason for the ban, which he could he banned others over but didn't. He's selectively banning people. And now we find out he's in correspondence with people from r/conspiratard ; instead of banning them, he's banning our own?!

You make it sound like he's been subversively talking to users at /r/conspiratard, when in fact he went there very humbly and transparently.

Furthermore, what selective bans are you talking about? The only bans I know of from yesterday was a user blatantly calling others "faggots". I saw the post in questions; it was an absolutely disgusting display of immaturity.

What you have done, demoting yourself as a moderator, is insufficient.

It would be best if you left the Internet forever, but at the very least, please resign completely as a moderator here.

EDIT: He banned me.

Bullshit.

Holy shit you guys are freaking out

A moderators job is not an easy one. It is often akin to being a cop because very rarely do you receive thanks...most often it's vitriol. The last two days were no exception for you.

That said, whether we agree or disagree with your gesture to r/conspiratard, I must commend you on both the level of transparency you maintained, and your willingness to respond to who knows how many people over this...not to mention calling a penalty stroke on yourself.

I think at this point you appreciate and take seriously the concerns of the community. As such, I am happy you are still a mod for r/conspiracy. Please consider the many statements made regarding what r/conspiratard is about, to include the documented instances of vote brigading, posting anti semitic garbage, and all manner of chickanery desinged to do one thing and one thing alone, destroy the sub you moderate for. There is nothing wrong with speaking with your "adversaries." There is something very wrong with doing your adversaries work, to the detriment of the wishes of your commiunity. Generally, that's referred to as treason...and right or wrong, I think that's what it felt like to many when you reached out to those guys.

Anyway, thanks for the hard work, and Merry Christams!

Perhaps one day, in the not-too-distant future, /r/conspiratard and /r/conspiracy will join hands together, like the Whos of Whoville, and have our very own Christmas truce.

Edit: I was kidding =/

/r/shitredditsays and /r/mensrights will have a truce before then.

fwiw, the christmas truce lasted for only a week or so. They resumed killing each other shortly thereafter.

Fat chance

I nomiate AP as mod. Seriously, his posts are on point.

Thanks. I feel pretty passionate about this sub. However, it does seem like one the toughest places on reddit to be a mod.

It's all childish and silly and speak VOLUMES about the /r/conspiracy regulars who just CAN'T deal with opposing views. Your fragile egos and inability to accept criticism are now ingrained on the subreddit. You've made yourselves a daily joke. YOU killed this subreddit with your insecurities and willful ignorance. Congratulations. High five yourselves...

i can see you're just saying words that fit a narrative you're fond of.

so can most other reasonable people, i imagine.

but do carry on.

It doesn't have to do with opposing views. It really doesn't. Really. It's about banning regular users for naughty words (that we can all, as adults, deal with and judge as we please), and unbanning a group that is purposefully disruptive.

I agree some people here are on a hair trigger. I've been called shill quite a few times, and there's nothing to say to someone that calls you a shill to prove you aren't. I get all that. I get the frustration.

But the magic of this place is that the crazies and the normals and the academics and the whatever are all mixed in.

What annoys me about conspiratard is not that they don't like conspiracies. Whatever. That's their choice.

What annoys me is that they get off on wrecking what I consider to be a good discussion. If I want their type of discussion I can go anywhere else online. But /r/conspiracy is actually a good place to learn alternative news and see it discussed by people in an unfiltered way. So I don't really get why anyone would be opposed to such a place existing.

Finally, all the Rachel Corrie stuff does make me kind of sick and it does cast a shadow on what those dudes do. It's weird and creepy and gross and I don't respect it.

Wow, what an obvious false flag to point holiday discussion of the war on Christmas (and therefor Christianity) to /r/conspiracy mods.

Guys, guys, just elect me as mod. I will rule with iron, but just fist. Don't mind the thugs near the voting booth, they work for me, just making sure you're safe when voting.

Yeah sure. Next You'll say the Black Helicopters are for our safety right?

Those are actually used for humanitarian efforts. How about this. If you vote for me I'll increase the amount of fluoride and lithium in the water to make sure your bones are strong and you're not stressed out. I'll even raise taxes to pay for this but the money you're saving on medical attention way outweighs the increase. You'll thank me.

Jeez, I feel bad for you mate. You actually were a reasonable person and had the balls to ask for criticism, which is something 99% of this subreddit Reddit in general people aren't capable of.

Merry Christmas, anyways.

Shame on this subreddit for preaching "open dialogue" and "free speech", whille breaking out the pitchforks when the conversation doesn't suit them.

You've proven to be no better than the average mainstream subreddit, and if anything, even worse.

"conflicting views not wanted" should be the banner here.

Many of our own have been banned, while r/conspiritard members roam free. And now this guy comes out saying he's cheerful that they "toned it down". This guy should be banning them, not our own. Instead, he makes correspondence with them. Of course, people are gonna be mad. We want free debate, and this guy has banned people for that. Many members feel they're being censored, if not directly than merely from the threat of a potential ban looming in the air. One guy gets banned, and 100 people are now afraid to speak up. Thats how tyrannical regimes have worked, and we're upset its being replicated here.

We hate you. We do not want you to be our moderator. This is not a case of merely a few people not liking you. It's virtually the whole subreddit. There is no reason for you to be a moderator.

Your comment has is nearly dead even in terms of upvotes and downvotes, so I think:

It's virtually the whole subreddit.

Is wrong.

Have you read any of the other comments in not just this thread, but multiple others? I'm guessing not.

Don't make silly assumptions. I've been reading plenty of other threads, and still reading other threads that actually interest me. From what I can tell, and the same thing happened in /r/atheism to some extent, it's just an extremely vocal and at times irrational portion of the subreddit that is calling for his removal. The people who are most angry are always the most vocal. You're not going to hear from those who don't have a problem with his actions.

This is all moot. Just by your comment's score we can tell that this:

It's virtually the whole subreddit.

is evidently wrong.

There are 200,000 subscribers here. I find it hard to believe the virtually the whole subreddit (which we can assume would be close to 99%) hates him.

You do not speak for us all.

Wow you are quite the square, aren't you? Are you new here? Because I feel like I have no need to explain the literal basis of my original comment to a regular reader, who would be aware that every few weeks someone has a little hissyfit with one of the moderators that either bans them, or removes some content, or whatever- and you get some people saying "yeah, fuck the mods," and some people saying "shut the fuck up."

This instance, as any regular reader of this subreddit will attest to, goes well beyond any breach or abuse of duty any moderator has tried to pull in here.

So regardless of what you, obviously a casual reader who probably is unfamiliar with the regulaur contributors in this subreddit, may like to believe- I do in fact speak for the overwhelming majority of this subreddit.

200000 subscribers

-3 points on too lost

Yep, story checks out. He is the spokesman.

Why is this sub so fuckin dramatic?

I think you did a good job of listening to the community and I hope we see our differences resolved some time soon.

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http://www.reddit.com/r/AskFlytape/comments/1tk2va/solidwhetstone_ignoretheshill_controlled/ce98s7w

I wish this could happen.

Yes we all know they are here.

But can we not just down vote, ignore and move on?

Responding only provides what they want!

I do not agree with what /r/conspiratard says and does in their sub and I dont feel you did anything horrific with your post their.

I do dislike when they come here and post fake things or try to provoke us, if talking to them and getting them to stay in their sub with comments or jokes is fine by me. As they have the right to free speech (even if it is hate speech, and making fun of people is hate to me) The best part of rights is, I have the right to not go to their sub!

Lmao /r/conspiracy wants this guys head on a platter. The only time I've ever been on this sub was today and yesterday, and that's when people started blowing everything out of proportion and believe me it's the last time I will ever be here.

Traitor! Posting a thread in the 'big bad enemy's community' really tops the list of things that is wrong with this country. I mean... HOW CAN SOMEONE DO THIS???!!?!? If there was an internet jail, you'll be signing the petition right now to have him arrested and water-boarded.

Now I know this will get down-voted to hell which I can't help, but it's just too funny to me. I think everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath, and relaxxxx lmao. It's not the end of the world (or is it /r/conspiracy... dun.. dun.. dunnn).

Haha, r/con isn't a bad place...maybe come back in a couple weeks when it's back to a semi-normal state. This is a good collection of intelligent people- there is a lot of information packed into the comments a lot of the time, and it really can be a place that fosters some interesting discussions. It's worth a shot :)

He's a false-flagger. Just look at his post-history.

He doesn't even have a post history going back anymore than a month. As of this moment he has 13 posts, 3 of which were made in other subs 3 weeks ago, and the other 10 were made these two days and in r/conspiracy and r/conspiritard alone. Its obvious its a duplicate account of some shill made specifically to make these comments.

I see what you're saying, and if it is a case of shilling or trolling or otherwise gaming the diplomacy of this subreddit, then I find that sad. I'm a fan of playing Devil's advocate, and it is possible that this is a fairly new user that has decided to explore reddit. From his past comments, it looks like he teeters on the edge of MSM and underground news, which is exactly the kind person that should be accepted in this community. However, the first time he appears to have ventured in here and participated in a conversation, he took an opposing stance to the general view of the conversation taking place, with a source to back up his claim (an argument on the validity of said source is a different conversation), and he was shut down. And subsequently deflected to Conspiritard. It looks to me like we pushed out a person who might have had an open mind, which is also sad.

• last time coming here.
• conspiratard.

Cheers man, you're probably a good dude who just got a little too idealistic, it happens to the best of us.

Fair enough.

I know you have admitted to mistakes but I'm glad you stayed as a mod. I think you are well intentioned and this is a hell of a sub to moderate, /r/awww it ain't

Their firm should have their entire ISP blocked from reddit if their sole purpose is to manipulate content.

Propaganda about propaganda. Does that make it true? No, but it damn near always gives a solution to the bullshit propaganda in the first degree. Often this lets you see the propaganda for what it is.

That's what this sub is about. Learning from past propaganda. And present, most importantly.

a truly excellent post, thanks.

Seriously.

This whole thing is extremely silly, and it's also a waste of time. But you're not realistic in your assessment on how many are against him.

What he did was bad. My philosophy on /r/constpiratard is to ignore them to the fullest extent. But solidwhetstone went a step beyond that by legitimizing their behavior. I was here before their subreddit even existed and have seen all their bullshit, but it hasn't had detrimental effects because /r/conspiracy has tried to ignore them completely. That's not the case anymore by having one of the mods here reach out to them and given them a platform.

Add to that that he doesn't even recognize what he did wrong and the only remorse he feels is that people got upset over it. There are a shitload of good people here who have a clearer understanding of the situation and deserve to be mods way before him.

You clearly have no understanding of the history between the two subreddits, nor have you any sympathy for those who have been made fun of, for the sake of ridicule only, and not openhearted discussion.

The insecurity that led to this travesty says WAY more about the people in the subreddit than it does about his perceived slight.

Of course we're fucking insecure! Everything I write here is proven to be stored in a database with my IP as a tag. That one bug in my mind that irks me whenever I write something. In addition to that, there's also a small bug in the back of my mind that my posts can be fished out to be made fun of over at /r/conspiratard. Then we have this moron of a mod to go to these scumbags to ask for advice. How the fuck am I supposed to feel about it?

If you don't recognize that, you shouldn't keep being condescending, because a lot of people have now shown to be extremely pissed off about it, and you need to respect that.

The subreddit's name contains a bigoted slur

And this sub-reddit has anti-semitism upvoted to the top a lot. Also a lot of holocaust deniers. Who knew some people in every community are assholes?!

Here is my case that hate speech exists, my most recent encounter;

• http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1t4ct3/anyone_else_seeing_more_and_more_insane/ce4khtc?context=3

Americans Against Terrorism. Right. Jews had nothing to do with this ad, right?

& all you have to do is look at his history, & if your not a selective reader you'll see there are plenty like him here to jump on the -scumbag israeli Gov.- hating bandwagon, ignoring other scumbag governments like say NK (but that's another rant altogether) and just quote Hitler, blaming "Jews" for everything.

I know zionism exists, I know the Israeli Gov. are quite devious, what I don't know is what the point of relating world problems to jews, we could just say bankers, the 1%, all kinds of labels, but pointing out their ethnicity/religion shouldn't make anyone wonder why you get written off once you go that route.

the heads of the Federal Reserve for the past 50 years have all been Jewish.

& every president until obama has been white christian, china all chinese bankers have been chinese, what did I achieve by pointing that out? What is the solution to pointing out jews apparently have held a majority of financial/economic positions? Do we make it illegal for jews to have such jobs since them being criminals & apparently all part of a system of the 1% makes them so hard to persecute, well Germany tried that, the Nuremburg laws, & since you claim to not to be antisemitic I doubt you want that.

That's the conspiratard mentality talking.

Nope, just my brain, don't go to that sub, nobody can influence the way I think with irrationality. I don't talk to anyone there, the people who I referred to, have history in this sub only, so no it's just my opinion that comments like the one I linked, & many like it aren't protesting Israel but simply bashing jews. & this I believe is what solid was against, & they don't like someone getting in the way of their agenda.

Theres protesting Israel, then theres denying that there are bound to be neo nazis jumping in the mix, instead of simply admitting theres a problem & not supporting/hiding it.

You seem to have missed my whole point. "Bashing" some Jews is not the same as "bashing" all Jews.

I don't know is what the point of relating world problems to jews, we could just say bankers, the 1%, all kinds of labels, but pointing out their ethnicity/religion shouldn't make anyone wonder why you get written off once you go that route.

Nowadays most everyone in the west relates the world's problems to Muslims.

• Do you call those people racists?

• If Muslims controlled most all of the world's usurious banks and people pointed that out, would you call those people racist too?

• How about Christians? If Christians controlled the world's banks and people pointed that out would you call those people racist?

Of your answer to those questions is "no", then why do you insist it is racist to point out the fact that they are Jewish? Who has enough power to make you believe that?

Well I'll first handle your accusation that I think;

Sammy Davis Jr. and Benjamin Netanyahu are of the same race

IN SD Jr's case he is religiously jewish, in Netanyahu's case he is ethnically hebrew & religiously jewish, so when people criticise jews without context like the comment I linked to you calling it racist isn't an impossibility, you seem to ignore this. & your statement;

If Muslims controlled most all of the world's usurious banks

Replacing Muslims with jews as you were making the point, could be considered, & I was just pointing it out that calling unspecified "jew counting" racist is not incorrect, be specific which jews, then if you do, why does their ethnicity, or religion matter at all if you've identified them? Why is that so hard to answer?

Lastly why do you find one point I made that isn't incorrect & twist it to look ugly then ignore an easier question? I find it a pity you'd rather derail the discussion. & I'm now curious as to your mindset, are you trying to convince me or someone else that comments/accounts like this are not the least bit hateful?

[EDIT]; I'll refer to the side bar to make my point clear;

This subreddit is a thinking ground, above all else we respect everyone's opinions and ALL religious beliefs and creeds. We hope to challenge issues which have captured the public’s imagination. From JFK, UFOs, gulf of Tonkin and of course 9/11. This is a forum for free thinking - not hate speech. Respect other views and opinions, keep an open mind.

You might believe that applies to you & the people you seem to be defending only but it doesn't, it applies to everyone, & pointing out Bernanke, Greenspan, whomever of your last 5 "Jews" might seem like free speech, & for the sake of argument lets say it is, let's pretend it's bad 5 men are apparently jewish & that's somehow different than any given US president being Christian, the comment I linked you still isn't free speech it's clearly hate speech & like I said a small group of people here are disrespectful if you disagree.

& by the way, it is not a position I hold it's literally the definition of the word jew, my mistake for saying judaism, you were right to use the term "jew"

• http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

The Jews (Hebrew: Yehudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim] Standard: Bnai Yisraʾel; Tiberian: Bnai Yiśrāʾēl; translated as: "Children of Israel" or "Sons of Israel"), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group

So when someone says simply "Jews control the federal reserve" or "Jews had nothing to do with this ad" without context calling that racially ignorant is a belief that isn't illegal in tthis sub as per the sidebar;

This is a forum for free thinking - not hate speech.

[EDIT]; Anyway merry christmas.

Your post history, as stated, indicates otherwise. Enjoy the 'jerk with like minded "intellectuals" elsewhere.