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One of my favorite movies!

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Here you are, true seeker.

I found a great video that shows their tactics off pretty clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUZZGj6sqH8

This girl challenges the border patrol to either let her go or detain her for suspicion of a crime. The border patrol spends 10 minutes trying to get her to comply without giving her any reason to compel her to comply.

Right near the end of the tape you'll see a senior officer come out of nowhere and start using all the typical intimidation tactics. He starts asking her to pull over for her inspection etc etc. When she continues to refuse he realizes that he actually needs to find out what the situation is and can't just use the standard intimidation to get her to pull over. As soon as they tell him what's going on he says "oh give me a fucking break" and tells them to be on their way.

So the guy didn't even know what the situation was and he rolls up and starts intimidating. It's part of their culture to getyou to give up your rights.

Cops are people doing a job, remember a few simple tips and you'll make it much less likely you'll get yourself in trouble.

The day to day job of cops is to find violators of laws and either arrest and detain them, or simply ticket them. Most all of the people they deal with have in fact broken a law.

When YOU come into contact with a police officer, they will assume you've broken the law (they usually will only initiate conversation if they believe that's the case, or they're off duty or on break).

Police look around. They need to for safety, and they often build their cases this way. If a cop can see it in plain view, you can be searched, etc. Be aware of your surroundings and don't give the police a reason to be suspicious if you can avoid it.

Most people incriminate themselves. There is nothing to be accomplished by admitting anything, ever. You might catch a sympathetic cop who let's you off with a warning, but that's DESPITE the confession you offered up. When you admit something you make their job easy and they can wrap it up. You always drive under the speed limit, and signal properly.

Besides admissions, getting people to consent to searches is the second most common way people end up getting arrested. If you're calm and collected you probably won't even be asked this. But, this is the most devious trick police use, they all use it all the time, many are very skilled at it. Tactics vary, but the casual "you don't mind if I take a look," or the statement of fact, "I'm going to look in here...." waiting for you to say "ok." Sometimes they'll intimidate you by putting you in handcuffs first and/or having you sit in their car. Don't give in. It will not get better if you cooperate. TELL THEM NO if asked.

Once you have refused to consent they will probably act mad. You need to ask if you're free to go. AM I FREE TO GO? If they won't say, ask them if you're being detained, and ask them to explain and then ask again if you're free to go. Tell them, I KNOW YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB, BUT I HAVE SOMEWHERE I NEED TO BE. Repeat AM I FREE TO GO?

Always use words of respect, like "Officer, Sir, Ma'm, respectfully, thank you."

If you are arrested tell them you will not speak and want to call your lawyer.

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Spread your cheeks and lift your sack.

The day to day job of cops is to find violators of laws and either arrest and detain them, or simply ticket them. Most all of the people they deal with have in fact broken a law.

EVERYONE they come in contact has broken a law. The hard part is getting the people to admit and self incriminate themselves. So many bullshit laws on the books the average American commits 3 felonies a day.

NOTHING TO HIDE? Everyone has SOMETHING to hide.

http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/

http://www.policymic.com/articles/51551/most-americans-commit-three-felonies-a-day-and-here-s-what-happens-if-they-get-caught

There is absolutely no justification for the arrest and detainment for 90% of non-violent offenders. Make no mistake. We are living in a police state and you are only free because the government ALLOWS you to be free.

Pretty much the truth, but it also probably the truth in just about any government with a legislature that's been around more than 20 years.

Seriously man, this is applicable to Germany circa 1936, why should we learn how to deal with this? These clowns work for US, they need to be reminded of this.

A better tactic for 2014 is to completely stop paying taxes. The only thing any of us should say to these pigs is "am I being detained" even if they're friends, I personally question anyone who has ambition to become a police officer at this point.

Fuck niceties and normality, even if a cop tries to spark up a conversation with me my response is "am I being detained". I'm not trying to be a smart ass but they've proven time and time again that their "brotherhood" is more important than doing the right thing so they're all guilty by association.

It's sad that even upper middle class America is saying FUCK THE POLICE but they've made their choice. You either side with the people you've sworn to protect or you side with the plutocracy that writes your checks, they've chose the latter.

Im Canadian and am not sure if the same applies in my country. which also is known as "Americas hat"

Canada isn't a police state so, you don't really have to worry about the police, they are actually here to protect you.

Which Canada do you live in?

the one known as americas hat.

or its tail

good one..

The one outside of your basement.

A response as intelligent as your initial comment.

Great exchange haha.

You're right and wrong.

A cop came when I got hit by a car on a bike. He seemed pretty reasonable to me even though legally it was my fault I got hit.

I wasn't seriously injured by the way. I pretty much fell of my bike onto the hood of the car.

Hold up, you talked to a cop and didn't get killed, detained, killed again, then raped by the TSA so the "elite" can harvest your organs?

It's almost as if cops are just people too.

I talked to a cop for about a half hour, just friendly chit chat, after the half hour he asked for my I'd for some reason. I gave it to him thinking nothing of it and it turns out I had a warrant for an unpaid seatbelt ticket that turned into a warrant. His whole attitude changed and he took me in since I didn't have the cash on me. Wouldn't let me call to try and get it, so I spent the entire weekend in NJ state jail. A 10x10 room with four other really sketchy guys. Really unnessessary asshole behavior. Totally overreacted and I still don't know why after a polite conversation he would even request my ID. So youre right, cops are just people, sometimes they can be total assholes just like everyone else. The difference though, is that when a cop wants to be an asshole, they can really wreck somebody's shit. I've honestly never been the same after that.

The cop did what he was required to do after he ran your ID, regardless of what friendly conversation you may have been having. Not sure why he asked for your ID, but in my 29 years, I have never been asked for my ID by a cop that didn't involve a traffic stop. Regardless, I take care of my shit and pay or challenge my outstanding tickets instead of ignoring them.

He wasn't required to do anything. He couldve certainly just warned me. He couldve done alot of things besides taking me to state jail.The cop at the station even gave him a bit of a hard time about being so severe, and even later apologized to me. The asshole I dealt with simply enjoyed it. Looking back now it was like he was toying with me for our entire conversation leading up to him asking for my id. The consequences were overkill for the crime. I was treated like a thief or rapist. If I could've made any calls at the station before being taken to the prison I could've gotten the money to pay the fine/warrant.

Or you could have just paid your ticket. The reason he turned into an asshole is he had to do a mountain of paperwork for a lame ticket you let go on too long. Buckle up!

The reason he turned into an asshole is he had to do a mountain of paperwork for a lame ticket you let go on too long

Oh, that makes it totally ok then. He was frustrated that doing his job required him to do his job.

I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but try getting a restraining order enforced sometime. Cops didn't want to arrest the guy after literally over a dozen violations. (They also assume most domestic issues will be dropped by the time the court date rolls around, despite me emphatically explaining that it was not an ex, but a solid stalking & harassment case. I got tired of worrying if these hick cops were gonna get me murdered & I'm moving a fucking county away....) One initial arrest when the guy threatened my life could have prevented years of bullshit, IMHO.

No, not really. He was an asshole beforehand by even asking me for ID after a casual conversation. And for him to be so mad that he has to do his job to put me in state jail for three days with rapists and murderers for a sixty dollar ticket, he couldve just as easily said hey man, because your a nice guy I'm gonna let you know you have to pay this fine right away... Your logic is fucked, that cop was fucked and fucking with me, and you're making a lame excuse for him. Pay your ticket? No shit. Three days of state jail for a sixty dollar seatbelt ticket? I agree with seatbelt laws, fine, but you know the only person I couldve hurt by not wearing it? Me. I was two blocks from the store we went to and one block from being back at my friends house. The story behind that is a bitch as well. I was the passenger in a car and I looked at a parked cop, made eye contact and he immediately rushed out of his hiding spot down the road to question my driver about a bunch of nothing. " I thought I saw you had a headlight out", etc... Immediately after I saw him, before he even pulled out, I put my seatbelt on because i just knew. Maybe I was wrong to not have it on, but not jail wrong. My biggest offenses were making eye contact and later a friendly conversation with power tripping assholes. You're wrong and insulting given the circumstances and consequences. Think about it for a second. Your post really pissed me off, you're completely wrong. I didn't deserve any of that. This is only a bit of the injustice I had to suffer from cops. I'm not even going to get into the time a cop thought my friend spit on his windshield (he didnt) while the cop was in a store and made me take my shirt off to clean it in the middle of winter. Stuff like this is why I hate cops, an with your logic, I honestly hope you get to be on the recieving end of it someday. I wouldn't wish things like what happened to me on my worst enemy, but someone like you could use the wake up call. I don't know what your second post is talkin about at all btw, you completely sidestepped logic there. None of that second post pertains to anything in the conversation.

No. Just no. Seatbelt (and motorcycle helmets) are there for a reason. And it's not just to protect YOU, my insurance doesn't need to go up or god forbid I get a vehicular manslaughter charge because some asshat is too cool for a seatbelt.... But you just seem to be full of "get this!" stories. He didn't need to ask for your ID cuz you were polite?! LAFF!

And you didn't get three days for the ticket. You got it cuz you didn't pay the damn thing!

Three days in state jail with murders and rapists for a sixty dollar seatbelt ticket is not justice asshole.

Murderers and rapists, really? Not drug and petty theft violations? Not domestic assault violations? Not impoverished people who can't afford lawyers, let alone counseling or education to improve their lives, but our jails are just chock full of murderers and rapists, huh?

Fuck you jerkoff. How about that? He didn't need to ask for my ID because I didn't do anything wrong."Get this stories"?! You condescending prick. More like injustices and overreactions from law enforcement that really ended up fucking me up as a person. Your insurance was never in danger scumbag, and even if it was, you're insurance from me as a passenger not wearing a seatbelt isn't worth a good, law abiding and respecting (up until that point) person to go to jail for three days. I'll remind you again, we had just pulled out of a store two blocks away and were a block from our destination. Either you're a troll or a real piece of shit. Hey, I was like you once. Respectful of cops, I said the old clichés, "you might not like them but see how fast you call them when you need help"... I wouldn't call a cop if my life was on the line at this point and that's sad. Youre wrong. You're insulting, and disgusting.

Lol. Wow. I'm no cop lover, but I am an adult in a country that understands that carrying ID is not some stazi police state bullshit, but a right and responsibility. If you're so awesome that the rules that apply to every other driver out there somehow magically don't apply to you, my apologies. But stop acting like a whiney dick when your own actions got you were you were....

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Ok, retard who doesn't understand seatbelt laws....

Edit: damnit, I sank to your level. My point is throughout all your comments, you whined about being ID'd after an accident and the penalty for an unpaid ticket. Both are valid occurring events in the legal world. You should expect to identify yourself to police on the scene of an accident. You know that a seatbelt must be worn by the front seat passengers in most states. You know that the penalties for an unpaid ticket are listed on the ticket.

I have my own stories, try spending 8 days around the Thanksgiving vacation and making that collect call to my sister that no, I wasn't at the airport, I'm in a private Christian jail cuz I skipped a court date, lol. But I don't ever leave out of that story that I skipped court...

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I added to my previous retard! comment.

Your whole story sounds like made up bullshit to me. You were just chatting it up with a police officer when, out of no where, he wants to run your ID. Being ignorant of your rights and the fact you had an outstanding warrant, you gave it to him. And then, you just "happened" to have an outstanding warrant for an unpaid menial ticket for what is probably the most trivial thing for which you can get a ticket. It all sounds contrived to incite outrage.

It's true. Every unfortunate word. I'm not making up stories to dislike cops, the stories are the REASON I dislike them. I'm glad you can recognize how much bullshit it sounds like though because I think it was bullshit too. I gave him the id because I was ignorant of my rights, true, but also because I respected cops and had no problem complying. I never thought I'd have a warrant on me in a million years. Certainly not for such a minor thing that could cost me three days in prison.

Why did he ask for your ID and why did you start talking to him in the first place? I don't know about you, but I don't normally stop on the sidewalk and start chatting it up with a cop, nor have I ever had one randomly ask for ID when I wasn't being pulled over for a traffic stop or something. If one did ask while I was just chatting with him, I would ask why and I am not generally suspicious of cops nor do I have anything to hide, Those are the two things (along with the trivialness of the ticket) which make this story sound contrived.

To be totally honest I stepped out of my friends to smoke a cigarette as the cop was passing by. Small street. I always used to wave to cops or say hello, just to be friendly, to show respect. I have an uncle that's a retired cop. I never had a clue that doing something like that could be a problem. I didn't know just speaking to a cop was considered suspicious activity.

No, what he doesn't get is that the police will run an ID in any instance that drugs or alcohol might be a factor, because chances are if you're an alcoholic or addict, you've had a record...

Haha, because debtors jail is the answer right? Fuck it let's start throwing jaywalkers in jail as well.

It's not the debt of the ticket that landed him in jail.

Can we please institute a political competency test so dick heads like yourself don't vote.

Um, I didn't downvote you above, so at least one other person understands the difference between debtor's prison and some whiney douche who defaulted on a absolutely preventable ticket.

As a side note, I've never understood the hatred against seatbelts and safety helmets (starting w work goggles in Shop class!), they are there for your protection. People worked hard to get safety features as standards in our society because of so many preventable fatalities. I'm glad some things are covered with safety labels or caging, I'd have hacked off all my fingers by now, if not!

That isn't the point and the fact that you don't realize that is fucking terrifying. It's not the governments job to protect you against such asinine "threats" and the fact that they "protect" you via imprisonment is crazy. You deserve to be oppressed for not thinking far enough into the future but I don't and you're exactly the reason tech professionals are moving out of this country, google "brain drain". A very small majority of idiots are leading this country to ruin and you support that. This isn't about tickets and responsibility, it's about fear and control, ruining someone's life over a parking ticket or a jaywalking ticket is fucking insanity and if you side with that mentality I personally want you the fuck out of my country.

This isn't protecting ANYONE, this is about collecting a debt, they could give two fucks about your well being. I seriously hope you think about this from every angle.

And I was referring to your political vote not your ability to vote on reddit.

I wasn't referring to your vote on here, but really, voter testing, huh? How could that be about fear & control?....

Fuck off, you're obviously struggling with this conversation.

No. I'm typing on a four inch screen and arguing with an idiot on the internets... It may be a waste of time, but I can comprehend that not every cop or PD in America sucks. Many are barely educated w limited life experience, yes, but not every cop is ex-military w a revenge hard-on. Try living in a country without accountability or laws and then we can really talk about fear and control.... You asshat!

Either you're a police officer yourself or your world view is extremely limited, or both. Travel the world a little to get a sense of how police officers should interact with the people paying their salary.

Police officers in America are all guilty by association due in part to their bullshit "brotherhood" mentality. Every police department has at least a few assholes and time and time again have proven that even these good cops will go to great lengths to protect the bad.

I'm not a cop, I've been arrested my fair share. I agree that a Canadian or UK cop differs greatly from our own, but I think it's actually dangerous to encourage others to have such negative reactions to the police. I guess I'm the flower in the gun barrel type of protester, rather than the spit on the pig type.

Back in the late 90s, I attended a party with alcohol and underage patrons. it was in a remote part of the foothills where I lived.

A fight broke out and someone called the sheriff's department. My friend and I left.

About a mile or so down the road, right deputy cars came up the road and immediately stopped us.

We were interrogated for about ten minutes. Some of the statements made by the officers were complete lies to coax us to incriminate ourselves. Statements included:

• we have witnesses at the party who identified you at the party. that was a load of crap because we knew one person at the party and even then I doubt anyone there would bother snitching on us.

• just tell us what we want to hear. We asked if we were being detained several times after they asked us that question.

The entire conversation was to get us to confess to whatever they wanted us to confess to. I was nineteen at the time and was proud of myself for seeing through their bullshit and knowing they were full of shit and not giving in to them.

Fuck cops. They aren't just "guys doing their jobs." The guy who makes you pizza is doing his job. Cops are agents of evil, and they deserve whatever they get. Fuck cops.

They are enemies of the people... and not in the communist sense. They are literally enemies of every single American who is not part of the elite.

I remember watching the Stanford prison experiments in college my freshman year. It really changes your perspective of a person in authority that has rights over others. People will abuse that power nearly 100% of the time. It's absolutely insane.

I just dont believe that statement, I thimk it is a repeated adage people accept as true, but in general most people are good, but the repetition of the '100 % of people will abuse power' statement leads people to almost believe it is natural for them to abuse their power. I have known many people with power or authority who are not pieces of shit. don't let a cultural meme dictate your opinion of human behavior. I choose to have more faith in my fellow man than most.

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And how does it make you feel to know that you would be right there with them if given the opportunity?

That's why the public needs to hold authority accountable, constantly and vigilantly. They rely on our complicity an apathy to abuse their power. Their official mandate does not allow for an abuse of power - we let them get away with that part.

Let me guess youre 15 and think you're cool for smoking weed. Bingo.

your reply is pathetic, and dead wrong

so much that I must say, trololololo

Can't lie to yourself.

jajaja

What's sad is you don't even reflect on the point that someone says you appear juvenile...

What's sad is you don't realize velox saying the guys is dead wrong is him "reflecting" on someone trying to say he is a juvenile. Either people is this sub have no reading comprehension or purposely try and instigate little things, which is it for you?

I guess I am not comprehending whatever the fuck you typed...

Our society conflates distrust and disrespect of authority with being a juvenile.

Enemies of the people? Don't make me laugh. You're propagandizing worse than the government.

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Pretending cops are "agents of evil" is beyond paranoid, into the realm of insanity. There is no logic behind a blanket statement like that.

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There is a ton of whitewashing for cops on these forums. People are raised to think the cops are the good guys, and those who are lucky enough to be from rich areas where the cops don't aggressively patrol still think mot of them are good guys.

Anyone who is one of those they target knows differently.

I know for a fact that 95% of (Canadian) police officers are absolute role models and model citizens.

I also know for a fact that the USA is fuuuucked up.

Having spent some time in Canada, I must say it seems way less fucked up than the United States.

Yea just don't fuck up.

I will tell you my personal experience with the LAPD.

I asked on for directions and he was extremely helpful and courteous.

I have been in NYC for like 18 whole hours so I am pretty sure I am an expert on this.

That... still doesn't make them agents of evil. That makes that particular group assholes.

Law and order in a tranquil society requires law enforcement. 99% of them are good humans.

They're not enemies of the people, they work for us. we are our laws. the last sentence you say makes no sense.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152655/wall_st._has_poured_millions_into_the_nypd_--_are_they_getting_their_pay_back_now

^{^} blatant pro cop propaganda

99% good humans? - you haven't met many cops then

Our laws - really? Our laws aren't our laws, they are the laws the elite has forced on us, with the gun of the police officer. A simple analysis of all the people in prison for minor and non violent crimes reveals this to be true.

Yes they very much are enemies of the common average person - once again I don't get why you are cheerleading for cops. They are by and large bad guys, enforcing morally bankrupt laws that are bringing down our nation.

None of us were born fully aware of the true nature of power in this world. You should not hold it against anybody whose eyes are still closed. Only by helping them see the truth will we get anywhere. I agree that complying with what they ask is almost never for the benefit of You & I, but they are only complying with a higher power. They are our brothers and sisters, not the enemy. If we can take back our brothers and sisters, instead of giving them an even greater reason to defend their protectors, we stand a chance of victory against the real foe.

"You should not hold it against anybody whose eyes are still closed."

Really solid point that can be hard to remember friend.

But what if they are choosing to close their eyes, what's the saying ignorance is bliss.

The exact phrase is "I invoke my 5th amendment rights.", "I wish to have a lawyer present." Make sure at this point you are recording. Do not ask the cops questions. Do not say anything else. Repeat the above statements and stare at them. Say nothing more. If they say your not under arrest repeat the statements. They are not supposed to ask you anymore questions under any situation after making both of those statements. They can return at a later to to you and ask questions again. Rinse and repeat above.

got arrested a few months ago, my friend is such a dumb fucking idiot that he incriminated himself talking to the police when he wasnt in possesion of anything as i was, i didnt tell the police anything though

Don't cop this attitude. Don't provide any info. Give non-commital answers. Don't let them search anything. But, don't start with the "Am I being detained?" bs either. Just tell them that you are in a hurry to get to work/home/a meeting, and can you go?

Right. Be too formulaic or hostile, and it would be easy to get "resisting arrest".

The best thing is to not show up on their radar. Drive a "normal" car, wear "normal" clothes, act "normal", and most important, do not alter your behavior when you see a cop. You have NO reason to hide, no reason to run.

Never slam on your brakes when speeding past a cop, just take your foot off the gas. A sudden brake is a easy read for cops!

Marc Stevens is totally delusional, guys. They're basically dressed-up Sovereign Citizen pseudolegal nonsense. He's taken his anarcho-capitalist theory, and tried to sell it as workable law. Since the law is not anarcho-capitalist, this fails utterly.

It's not that "neither cops nor judges will be lenient on you just because you're not willingly giving up your rights," it's that Stevens totally misunderstands what his rights are in the legal context, and is asserting ones he does not possess.

You say in your own post that it's about "not willingly giving up your rights." That's asserting rights.

Is this 1. sovereign citizen or 2. just not telling them anything you don't have to?

The one outside of your basement.

the one known as americas hat.

or its tail

To be totally honest I stepped out of my friends to smoke a cigarette as the cop was passing by. Small street. I always used to wave to cops or say hello, just to be friendly, to show respect. I have an uncle that's a retired cop. I never had a clue that doing something like that could be a problem. I didn't know just speaking to a cop was considered suspicious activity.

No. I'm typing on a four inch screen and arguing with an idiot on the internets... It may be a waste of time, but I can comprehend that not every cop or PD in America sucks. Many are barely educated w limited life experience, yes, but not every cop is ex-military w a revenge hard-on. Try living in a country without accountability or laws and then we can really talk about fear and control.... You asshat!