The "new" category is actually the only one i peruse in this sub. Each day i check out the new posts and comment/reply/vote accordingly. I guess my ignorance didnt allow me to figure that everyone else doesnt do this as well.

I find it very helpful in finding posts that interest me, rather than letting a posts popularity dictate its availability to me.

this is the mindset thats needed

but yeah, i never use to check out the new queue, but thats changed.

keep on it

I have been on the "new" que since I started..always up vote the good..plus that's where certain nefarious groups down vote the good stuff.

nefarious

yup lil fat neckbeards

i think theyre paid minimum wage, im not sure how it works

Same here. Don't forget that a post whose first vote is a downvote will never make it to the frontpage.

I always look at front page first, then on to new. 2 cents.

ETA: I saw your post on main page.

Can the mods manipulate it to have New show up first?

What is friending? I've been here 5 years and never friended anybody. How do you do it and what does it accomplish?

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Theres also a Friends queue, so you can see what they submitted specifically.

My problem is I don't know which posts are true or which posts are fake :(

I agree, another thing that browsing "new" forces you to do is actually read the articles and evaluate the claims made within them.

The development of critical thinking in this way will probably be far more valuable than skimming article titles and reading comment threads.

Memes often reach the top of the sub because not enough people engage in a more fruitful engagement with the sub.

Ill add to badgergeckos comment by suggesting that if a post or claim is controversial, that you fact check it yourself. One of the easiest was is literally searching the topic on google and wikipedia, as a start. Then you can get a basic understanding of said topic and formulate your own conclusions rather than adopting someones words as fact just because.

This is my favorite course of action when confronted with questionable claims, and it has led me to better understand many things and also has led me on a wild goose hunt, where i have no idea how many geese i will find. (I hope that was a good analogy).

Thats one of the purposes of this sub, to spread info and help others in their research on topics. It also important to note that many times the OP of any given post might not know if the content is true or not. Hence, discussion and debate. :-)

I think a lot of people feel this way about news in general. And perhaps it is supposed to be that way on purpose.

But don't let that stop you from being a critical consumer of information. I like to think of the strategy Orson Welles gave us in Citizen Kane with regards to howin one can find out the truth about a given man (or event) in a world full of narratives and lies. That solution is to hear as many people lie to you about the story as humanly possible.

By doing this it is somewhat feasible to gain a critical perspective on the types of narratives which surround the dissemination of a given story.

Look for narratives as narratives as you read and consume and suddenly facts will start to appear in your news.

For a quick break down of the phenomena involved here think of being in a room with your best friend and his cell phone; if I asked you to write me a news article about your friends cellphone your story would be as close to a cogent and informed context as possible. You know the cell phone belongs to your friend and you know your friend, so you could write me a great story. When you experience the cell phone in it's proper context you are in what Theodore Adorno calls the "First Degree of Simulation".

However, if you take a picture of your friends cellphone and bring it to one of your uncles who had never met your best friend, your uncle, too, will be able to write a story about the cell phone. However, as the context would be lost for him, the picture of the cell phone puts your Uncle into the "Second Degree of Simulation". Wherein he is more likely to write a story about a description of the cell phone, as opposed to the context in which the phone exists. (I.E. he would write "the phone was a white galaxy s4", as opposed to "my friend always preferred Android to IoS, so he had a white s4.")

When your uncle writes a news story about an event (or person) that he experienced from a second degree of simulation he produces a piece of text. When someone entirely unrelated to you or your uncle reads that story they are in the "Third degree of simulation." With this third degree of removal it is almost guaranteed that the reader will have no idea what the cell phone he is reading about actually means in context.

All news that you consume is from a third degree of simulation. Your job, as a critical consumer of information, is to get back to the second degree of simulation such that you can see what narratives were used in the construction of the news story you had read.

In essence, reading 100 different news stories about the same event (or person) is the only tool that one has available if they wish to "deconstruct" bias and false narratives in contemporary news media.

I don't know if you'll find this helpful, but it is the strategy I use myself to consume news.

The build up of the "degrees of simulation" comes from Adorno's work Culture Industry; the deconstruction strategy comes from Welles Citizen Kane as I said (a movie that was only made, the story goes, because William Randolph Hearst denied Welles more than two drinks at a dinner party).

Good question! Newspaper retractions are generally in tiny on the last page 1"x1" print.

That's the conspiracy.

Don't forget to click on "Controversial" as well. That's where the mass down-voted posts go to languish and die. Upvote before they fall thru the cracks.

TO NEW!!!! I've felt like /r/conspiracy has been so dribbled down lately. Going to NEW is like a revitalization of what /r/conspiracy used to be. I don't know why I didn't think about this before. New is the real treasure trove of information. Get to it before it is corrupted by the trolls and shills. That's where they are hanging out, on the front line. Whatever makes it into the main sub lately is mostly dribble.

What do you mean?

This is a must. However, your second point about voting is equally important. I assume most of us regular readers already spend our time on new. But the hot tab is our public face to casual and new readers.

I try to start my day in the new queue here; it really is of vital importance to keeping the sub free from outside groups manipulating the content here.

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I'd add also "friending" the best post submitters.

I am sorry. I will repeat it again. But regular posters cannot beat the trolls in their game. Trolls are downvoting threads regularly in an organized way everytime. Normal posters don't have the time to upvote everything posted the same way that goes down very fast.

The voting system is ineffective, the majority of forums don't have voting, because it is already understood that is just a tool for trolls to disturb posters. Unfortunately this forum was concieved by some happy geek that has no clue about communication security.

The only solution is to ask the administration to block the downvote button.

I went from here to new and watched a compelling video under Detained for Suspicion of Smoking cigarettes in Utah. After sharing it to Face Book, I could no longer find it. I agree that these new posts need more exposure and need to be visible longer. I know that I need Reddit skills!

something i like to do is downvote posts in the 50-100 range on the front page that are over 18-24hrs old to allow the newer ones to rise to the top

ps please stop submitting or upvoting badcop posts if you want to read or write about badcops:

/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut exists for a reason and has almost 50,000 subscribers.

Disagree. Corrupted cops do belong here too because the audience here is different and see things in a more serious light than over at BCND. Just because there is a dedicated sub doesn't mean it can't ever be posted anywhere else...

Yes! And isn't there a sub specifically for reddit conspiracies? It gets really annoying when actual content gets hidden for a stupid witch hunt.

New is the first place I go. I think of it as paying my dues. Thats also where the best conversations happen and you get a chance to actually have a say, instead of being awash in a sea of trolls.

Per your 2nd EDIT: i had no idea that is what the "controversial" link was for. Ill definately be hitting that one up as well. Thanks /u/godiebiel!

As per your 3rd EDIT: how do you "friend" someone? Can this only be done on a pc or can phones do it too?

Is there a way similar to adding friends that will highlight the names of "undesirables" so as to make it easier to remember people who weve had negative experiences with or just dont like?

Ahh i see. Thanks! Cant believe ive been overlooking that for so long. Is it like facebook where you need confirmation?

/u/grandmacaesar

Is this really the guy you want guiding what shows up in this sub?

The Power of Shills is more than just them being the "devils advocate" in this sub,it's a tough battle, I'll leave at it that and look forward to seeing how things move on. And leave the subject matter up to the reader to use their own discretion, keep the post well diversified as they are, because it ain't broke and needs no fixing, thats what makes this sub what it is.

Another idea, how about people start using the IRC chat room linked in the sidebar? It's a nice way to discuss things and if the mods want to get involved they can figure out who has the founder flag and assign channel operators to keep the peace.

But it's on stinky ass freenode.

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I agree. This is one of the more interesting subs.

Edit48: Yeah..if you guys could just go-ahead n' do that.. that would be greeat.. http://i.imgur.com/4DXFHpa.jpg

What if we didn't have mods? What if there were a subreddit where users could flag posts and after a certain number of flags they go to a special place for user review, and can be voted to be hidden or not. That seems like it would help a lot of subreddits with scum bag mods.

Guys go to the controversial and upvote u/alicehouse's comment about the parallels of deus ex and the global banking scheme, government abuses etc. its very clear and deals only in facts.

If you aren't going to "new" by default, then you are not paranoid enough to be here.

mods, please sticky this thread permanently

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tvmxz/flytape_wants_rule_1_no_racism_of_any_kind/

Conspiratard doesn't want this one getting out of new.

You know you are just promoting the sub by posting this Crap

If people are so ideologically narrow that they are attracted to the shit that goes on at conspiratard, they deserve a home there.

Let me not stand between them and their kindred.

Flytape has done more to fight against Conspiratard than probably anyone else. Pretending that sub doesn't exist doesn't make them go away.

Flytape has done more to fight against Conspiratard than probably anyone else.

There is a fight amongst /r/conspiratard and /r/conspiracy? I just see people having a laugh at one side, and at another, people who take everything way too seriously and get flustered when they get made fun of.

Of course that's what you see.

Now see your way out of here. If you're just having a laugh you aren't required to participate here.

By the way, what happened in may-june?

Of course that's what you see.

Because that is what it is? A huge shitstorm after a mod came to us to ask for an opinion, and us making fun of the situation, and what resulted after it?

Now see your way out of here. If you're just having a laugh you aren't required to participate here.

I can participate whenever I want, and you, and no one else can tell me where I can, and cannot, participate, if I have't broken any rules.

By the way, what happened in may-june?

During that time, /r/conspiracy was way too sensitive about trolls and "shills", and 9000sins decided to implement a 30 day rule for new accounts. A huge shitstorm resulted after it, and mods were removed.

I believe you supported that 30 day rule.

So then you aren't just having a laugh, you're here to actively participate.

No problems man, keep following the rules.

Ok, perhaps I should have said fight off Conspiratard.

It's a little more sick and disturbing than you're making it out to be.

Keep an eye on 9/11 truthers. They might have psychological disorders and need to be admitted to a hospital

Hitler was a conspiracy theorist, Oklahoma City Bombing, Boston Bombing, we kill people by spreading false info about vaccines, we are literally committing genocide etc

We kill people's friends, we kill cops, we should be restrained, etc

Anthropogenic climate change deniers are dangerous, "anti-vaxxers" are dangerous, one of us will probably blow up a solar panel salesman's house, etc

In response to a "paranoid conspiratard who goes on a rampage: "This is what I suspect every conspiracy theorist is like. They are already paranoid and delusional, they just need a trigger to set them off on a mission."

Literally making fun of people with mental retardation is okay and funny for about 50 percent of r/conspiratard. (If anyone needs a screenshot of the number of upvotes/downvotes on the comments, let me know. Or just use RES)

Keep an eye on 9/11 truthers. They might have psychological disorders and need to be admitted to a hospital

You didn't link to a comment. Here is a comment, and the comment itself is heavily criticized by everyone.

Hitler was a conspiracy theorist, Oklahoma City Bombing, Boston Bombing, we kill people by spreading false info about vaccines, we are literally committing genocide etc

We kill people's friends, we kill cops, we should be restrained, etc

What do you expect when the majority of people (bombers/murderers) in the few past years were anti-government conspiracy theorists?

we should be restrained

Where is anyone calling for conspiracy theorists to be restrained in that thread?

Anthropogenic climate change deniers are dangerous, "anti-vaxxers" are dangerous,

Because that is true.

one of us will probably blow up a solar panel salesman's house, etc

What is hyperbole?

In response to a "paranoid conspiratard who goes on a rampage: "This is what I suspect every conspiracy theorist is like. They are already paranoid and delusional, they just need a trigger to set them off on a mission."

Why don't you link to comments, but comment threads? Here is a comment you are referring to.

Literally making fun of people with mental retardation is okay and funny.

This overly PC non sense doesn't fit you.

I am not sure what you are trying to prove and imply here.

You're joking with this post right? You should get RES and recheck the threads. Just because the final vote tally came out negative or positive doesn't mean you can simply ignore my point.

The rest of your comment looks like you just basically agree with what I said and think one of those was hyperbole. But you didn't really admit to anything on the last point. Do you think it's okay to make fun of people with mental retardation?

I am not sure what you are trying to prove and imply here.

Obviously I'm responding to your comment:

I just see people having a laugh at one side, and at another, people who take everything way too seriously and get flustered when they get made fun of.

It's a little more disturbing than this. Your sub (at least many of you), when it's not cirlcejerking about how funny mentally retarded people are, is calling this sub a bunch of genocide supporters and pushing the narrative that conspiracy theorism is equal to severe mental illness.

That is not "just having a laugh."

You're joking with this post right?

Are you?

You should get RES and recheck the threads.

I have RES, and I am not sure what are you talking about.

Just because the final vote tally came out negative or positive doesn't mean you can simply ignore my point.

Where did I ignore your point when you didn't make a point in the first place?

Do you think it's okay to make fun of people with mental retardation?

Yes. I don't care what PC and thought police brigade thinks.

is calling this sub a bunch of genocide supporters and pushing the narrative

And? The sub was literally just made to make fun of stupid conspiracy theories. You would be a fool to take anything posted there seriously. If you expected high quality discussion you should have went to /r/skeptic or something else.

that conspiracy theorism is equal to severe mental illness.

You found one comment, which was criticized by people, and try to paint as if the whole subreddit thinks so.

That is not "just having a laugh."

It is. Maybe you just take everything way too seriously?

Do you think it's okay to make fun of people with mental retardation?

Yes. I don't care what PC and thought police brigade thinks.

I guess that's all we need to know. That is really disgusting.

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You must be trolling. I'm not advocating "thought police." I assumed there was an infestation of people at /r/conspiratard who think it's funny to make fun of people with mental retardation. That turned out to be correct and admitted to.

If someone said it was ok to make fun of Jews for having a big nose, I wouldn't be "thought police" for telling that person they are disgusting.

I guess that's all we need to know. That is really disgusting.

I really don't care what PC Thought Police™ thinks.

Also, maybe you need to have yourself checked out, if you are personally disgusted by internet comments. You might have some sickness or something.

I'm not thought police for expressing my opinion online. I think you're a sick person. I'm allowed to say this, correct? You can't just go around making fun of people and then pulling the "thought police card" when you get criticized.

Do you also think AIDS is funny? What about any particular race?

Do you also think AIDS is funny? What about any particular race?

That wasn't your question. Your question (condensed) was:

Is it okay to make fun of particular group?

And I think, yes.

And my response is "you are a sick person." Not because you're making fun of liberals or something like that. You chose mentally retarded people as a group to make fun of. Go ahead. Make fun of them. Just don't expect everyone to watch you do it and leave you alone. You're going to get criticized and you deserve it. Don't cry and say "thought police" as a shield. That's just childish.

And my response is "you are a sick person."

And my response is: You take everything way too seriously.

Go ahead. Make fun of them.

I cannot, as I respect the rules this subreddit has. Why would I want to be banned?

Just don't expect everyone to watch you do it and leave you alone.

Your tears are delicious.

Seriously, this pretend-to-be-PC doesn't fit you.

While I'm almost completely with you, I don't find it too smart to make fun of someone with a mental handicap. They can't really help their position.

Just my thoughts.

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tv57f/alright_this_one_was_way_too_stupid_for_me_to/ceby4a2

You're being vote brigaded by /r/conspiratard right now. You're at +3 -6. And they sit over there claiming they aren't brigading! It looks like almost every single one of them is a brigader.

They are a massive cancer that is stuck to our sub. The cancer is there whether you look at it or not. Plus they already do all of their own promoting. I've seen their tag in the main subs a few times.

So I think it's kinda like this. They really need attention. So give them a little bit here and there and make them happy. When nobody is talking about them, they start to cry and brigade the shit out of this sub until we start talking about them again.

They probably aren't even paid. Life is easy for them. All they have to do is read whatever material the mainstream authorities put out into the public and then apply all of those talking points to people in here. They get to feel smarter than everyone else. That's addicting. They don't realize that many of the people in here simply don't believe those talking points because many of us think major institutions are capable of deceiving the public and many of their own workers. That really is the crux of the issue, isn't it? So let them regurgitate their talking points and give them a cookie everyday, and they will go back to bed. (Read the vaccine thread in there right now "I wrote a thing, comments?") They were all fed easy talking points.

Is this a call to brigade I see here?

No its a relevant example of why we have to use the new queue.

Really? Then it is a really bad example, as (1) it is not a call for brigade, (2) the post you linked to links to a post stickied to the frontpage of /r/conspiracy.

It wasn't stickied when I linked it, I don't answer to you.

Nothing you have to say matters to me, so go talk to someone else.

Nothing you have to say matters to me, so go talk to someone else.

Then you shouldn't have replied to me.

I am pretty certain the subscribers of /r/conspiracy and the mods want different things. The mods are asking /r/conspiratard how to make the sub better instead of asking the subscribers. If this does not scream the mods want the opposite of what the subscribers want, I don't know what does.

Yea, been fighting in here for quite a while. New mods have been appointed. How do you know they are not the same people with different user names?

This sub sucks now. It has been overtaken, demolished, and commercialized. Conspiracy theories have been replaced with government approved stories, and actually conspiracy theories has been replaced with loony tune name calling.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1q1nay/a_friendly_reminder_do_not_feed_the_trolls/cd8i3av?context=3

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1q6aip/can_we_get_a_show_of_hands_from_the_mods_of/

No its a relevant example of why we have to use the new queue.

Same here. Don't forget that a post whose first vote is a downvote will never make it to the frontpage.

I always look at front page first, then on to new. 2 cents.

ETA: I saw your post on main page.

Can the mods manipulate it to have New show up first?