If he believes in it, you could convince him towards embracing action in some branch groups. If he starts making his own videos, gaining community contacts, he will go down a different path that may be better for him in the long run. It could potentially prepare him better for the future.

People on the other side of the fence are doing all kinds of entrepreneurial things, like running bitcoin businesses, being independent reporters who make income from youtube ads, donations, etc... moving to Chile and working in freedom societies. He's probably just unhappy because he's in limbo, but he could be more unhappy giving into a normal routine with all the ideologies already seeded in his head.

Are there like Facebook groups and stuff that he could join. Or am I misunderstanding the branch stuff?

I say branch because people take this stuff and run in different directions with it. Some people become hardcore gun toting freedom fighters who stock up for the end of the world and build bunkers. Some become infinite love new age keyboard warriors that think nobody should work but that government should make money out of thin air. Some become anarchist entrepreneurs and study free market economics.

I say have him start listening to Philosopher + Voluntaryist, Stefan Molyneux, on youtube if you want him to get motivated to work harder and look closer at himself, while still embracing the "problems with the system" mentality. There are specific videos that may appeal directly to his situation.

Maybe this playlist to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WC6hNTONg&list=PLPf5N3Q6-KXv6l5WvueJlsJ9gPXXfcfpa

Alrighty, thanks for the suggestions. I appreciate it.

How do I prevent these conspiracies controlling my brother's life

how do we prevent people like you from being so complacent with crime?

ignorance is bliss. maybe give him drugs so that he is unaware of the reality in the larger world, and can be a good citizen again...

what worked for Winston?

Yeah now I'm beginning to regret posting this. I am fully aware of what is going on in the world because he tells me what he hears. Whether I agree or not doesn't matter. I want him to lead a fuller life than the one he is leading.

do you realize a "fuller" life means ignoring the suffering of MILLIONS?

He can still live life and contribute and you know that

you can't, you have to envelope yourself in the truth or none at all.

I disagree but I'm not going to argue because your probably right ( pretty sure I contradicted myself but whatever)

I'm not saying a nice life surrounded by the people and things you live isn't possible, just that we all ave a lot to work to do before any of us deserves it, we HAVE to stop the suffering, and the complete robbery of the working class.

why should he? a fuller life means capitulating. your only chance is to convince him he can't win and one prison is better than the other.

I guess I know what you mean. Its just disheartening seeing it control him. Im all for conspiracies and doing whatever you want. Maybe its just because its on a personal level. I just don't want to see him hurt.

I just don't want to see him hurt.

understood. I am also hurt that my country participates in blanket surveillance, torture, rendition to secret prisions, and worse.

look what happened to suicide rates in East Germany under the Stasi

That hurts me too. I don't know what to think about all of this really.

put it like this. it's dealing with grief.

first denial, then anger, then depression, then bargaining, then acceptance.

That's a good point. Thanks for being cool and not calling me a shill ( whatever that means haha) your wisdom is appreciated

people routinely post threads on here feigning concern or trying to shame us into giving up questioning authority. I figure the direct approach is best. if you are a shill, or not - the answer is the answer.

take care. good luck with your friend, be compassionate and understanding. it's not easy.

Well I'm sorry if I gave off that vibe. I appreciate your answers. Good luck to you too dude.

How do I prevent these conspiracies controlling my brother's life? I enjoy hearing them sometimes but its literally all he does. I want him to live a happy and easy ( not depending on our parents, sorry if its rude sounding) life.

I have a feeling you have kids but he doesn't.

I feel as though he wants to be the martyr to begin a revolution and it pains me to think of him not being around.

He won't have to, by the time he even got some sort of plan together shit will be hitting the fan.

I understand being aware of the truth and all of that but how do I help him? I want him to be himself but also get a job, a girlfriend and a life. He's not happy and I can see it.

There's lots of guys out there just like him, can't get a job, girls don't want a guy who doesn't have a job. Basically he needs to know that he needs to get some sort of gig together, something that he loves to do. Yes it's easy to sit and say "meh, I'm not doing shit because shit is going to hit the fan" but no one really knows when it's going to happen. The Y2K people probably felt pretty stupid.

We might not see gas crash until 2030 and you never know maybe a break through will be made but you know what the secret of life is? Being ready for an opportunity when it happens. Did your brother buy any bitcoin or gold to get ready for when shit hits the fan? No? Because he didn't have money? Well if he had any kind of job he would've been in a position to buy some.

But your brother is basically right to be mad at the way shit is and you do too. The "conspiracies" aren't even conspiracies, NSA and LIBOR should be enough for you to be taking the shit down.

I completely get what your saying, I don't have children by the way, too young. I just want him to be able to move forward while maintaining his beliefs. I hope I'm making some sort of sense here.

Tell him he needs to chill out and listen to the No Agenda Podcast. It livens up the conspiracy stuff.

Tell him to not use the shit as a crutch. If you want him to get motivated take him out to get a lap dance, remind him how much fun chicks are to touch and that he should start getting a plan together to get the stuff that gets women (drives and food).

Damn you're right, thats the word I've been thinking of. He really is using it as a crutch. You gave me a good chuckle about the strip club haha.

Has he touched a girl before?

Many.

Hmm, might be a bit more tricker to get him going but yeah, basically it's a crutch and if he's not careful he'll sat around for 15 years and have 0 to use to help himself during collapse.

As a female, I want to puke. We're fun to touch?! Wowowowowow.

Yeah, women are soft and feel good.

I'll remember that next time I'm barefoot, pregnant & making sandwiches...

You might be a lesbian.

Oh, honey, I'm worse than that, I'm a bisexual that believes that I'm human! Burn the witch! She's not attracted to ignorance! She must be unnatural!

Don't give yourself too much credit, bisexual girls are textbook. You probably have a history of abuse, it could be big abuse like someone fooling around with you when you were 8 or something that seems like it wouldn't be as big a deal, like your parents divorcing.

Oh, the you're gay because of trauma rationale. Tell me more about the female experience, please!

Nope, gay people are gay due to their biological make up - not experiences.

Being "attracted" to both sexes isn't being gay.

Men can also say they're attracted to both sexes.

Ok, so homoesexuality is natural and genetic. But bisexuality is a result of trauma issues?

Bingo.

So I'm either in denial about my heterosexuality or my homosexuality... What about transgender folks?

It might no be denial, it's more about having chaotic relationships. Transgender people are "gay" but they're so gay they feel they're the wrong sex. Which is probably inside wiring.

I'm confused. Your brother lives with your parents and doesn't have a job. He also seems unhappy to you. The conclusion that you have reached is not depression but rather some form conspiritosis? Is that about right?

I'm not fully sure what you mean but he does suffer from depression.

Then I would say that if you want to help your brother you should focus on the cause, not the symptoms. My brother suffers from depression. He is not into conspiracies, but he is always looking for proof that the world is shitty. I think it helps him explain to himself how he feels.

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What's that supposed to mean?

It's simple. If you want to control your brother's life then just do what governments do. Use the threat of violent force.

Or you could just let him decide for himself how he wants to live his life... for better or worse.

I never said control. I want to steer him away from becoming obsessive and not having a social life. I get what your saying but please don't steer this thread off :/ I just want it to be a calm discussion..

I want

What about what he wants?

Yeah good point sorry for sounding selfish on that end. He wants a better America. A country to be proud to live in. Will that happen? Probably not but I don't want him to die just because of that belief ...

At least it sounds like you don't have to worry about him joining the military and going off to be killed while invading a foreign country.

Your right. Overall I just don't want to see him die or get hurt. That's why I want to help or at least lessen the impact all this information is having on him.

Edit: I mean lessen the impact as in not let it all overwhelm him.

Maybe it's not conspiracy theory that's the root of the problem. If he's isolating himself and becoming fixated on one activity it's a sign of mental illness. If he's between 20-30 this would be a typical age for onset of a mental disorder like being bi-polar or schizophrenic. Maybe try to get the guy the some help.

Also be objective about it. I rarely read mainstream news other than here and my local paper. I prefer alt media because it covers a broad spectrum of topics and it's less influenced by advertising dollars. But to some people it looks like I spend all my time reading blogs written by people wearing tinfoil hats, which couldn't be further from the truth. I don't believe everything I read, but I'm an open minded guy who believes that you need to do some research and at least hear someone out. Look at watergate, how crazy did that sound at the time?That a sitting US president was so paranoid that he was keeping an enemies list, orchestrating burglaries and secretly taping everyone.

You make a great point. But he's an adult and we just can't force him to get mental help or whatever.

We also can't force people to fit our molds. I have cousin who's talented with programming and CAD, has 2 degrees and could be making six figures. But he'll do about 2-3 contract jobs a year, netting him about 40k a year. He's in his early 30's living in his mom's basement and smoking pot 24/7 when he's not working. Is he reaching his full potential...fuck no. But the guy is happy, he's not hurting anyone, he's debt free and isn't a slave his responsibilities and debt like I am so I keep my mouth shut. Everyone has their own definition of happiness.

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No but ambition should play a part, and being almost 35 and a burden to your parents when you could afford your own food, housing and transportation is kind of a dick move.

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I don't believe in them because I don't want them to run my life. You went on a kind of irrelevant tangent but thanks for replying.

I don't believe in them because I don't want them to run my life.

Often time one's life is ran unbeknownst to you by things you're kept in the dark about, things you're not even aware of, and by forces more powerful than you can imagine. In these cases, it is your "not wanting to believe in conspiracy theories" that keeps you ignorant and ensures your continued enslavement.

Your above comment reminds me a bit of this, or this. It's essentially the comment of the ignorant. What you don't know really can hurt you.

I am not ignorant. I am fully aware of what is going on. I just chose to not believe it because I can.

Ah. I see. You're actually correct then. You're not ignorant.

You're hubristic - something which, unfortunately, is far, far worse.

I'm not arrogant either. Continue to insult me. I don't care.

I'm not insulting you. You're taking it as such only because you don't think the terms I'm using apply to how you're acting. That's another characteristic of hubris, btw.

And hubrism doesn't only show itself as overt arrogance - so your saying that you're not arrogant doesn't exempt you in the least from it. One can be as nice and sweet as a peach and still be hubristic. Hubrism is about thinking you have things figured out when you really absolutely don't. That applies to you.

When you say "I am fully aware of what is going on."? Yeah...you're hubristic.

Huh? History is filled w conspiracies. I don't see how anyone can say I don't believe in them, because, historically, they happen w regularity.

I'm not saying a nice life surrounded by the people and things you live isn't possible, just that we all ave a lot to work to do before any of us deserves it, we HAVE to stop the suffering, and the complete robbery of the working class.

I'm not insulting you. You're taking it as such only because you don't think the terms I'm using apply to how you're acting. That's another characteristic of hubris, btw.

And hubrism doesn't only show itself as overt arrogance - so your saying that you're not arrogant doesn't exempt you in the least from it. One can be as nice and sweet as a peach and still be hubristic. Hubrism is about thinking you have things figured out when you really absolutely don't. That applies to you.

When you say "I am fully aware of what is going on."? Yeah...you're hubristic.

It might no be denial, it's more about having chaotic relationships. Transgender people are "gay" but they're so gay they feel they're the wrong sex. Which is probably inside wiring.