[discussion] Which commonly believed conspiracy theory do you think is nonsense, or blatantly wrong?
7 2014-02-21 by 007T
Be it the moon landings, 9/11, alien abductions, JFK, or whatever else: what conspiracy theory that is widely held to be true by many people do you think is completely wrong, and why?
40 comments
6 HS_00 2014-02-21
Democracy in America.
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2 007T 2014-02-21
I think you misunderstood the question, I'm asking which conspiracy theories you don't believe are correct.
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5 thefuckingtoe 2014-02-21
I think you misunderstood the answer.
3 oblivioustoobvious 2014-02-21
Lizard people.
2 Faceshovel 2014-02-21
Alien abductions and the whole UFO phenomena. I believe they are all manmade technologies and abductions are kidnappings. They blame them on "aliens" so no one bothers to look inward, instead of outward.
2 TheCapnRedbeard 2014-02-21
Anything having to do with aliens being gods or aliens creating us. It seems ludicrous, but may have more to do with the fact that I cannot stand to live in a works devoid of higher purpose. If aliens made us as an experiment it would be detrimental to so many people. Not to mention it's just stupid. Who would prefer to think aliens made us than to believe in a higher power?
4 007T 2014-02-21
If aliens had the ability to create us, what separates them from some other higher power that might have created us? What would really be the difference if a creator of life on Earth came from another planet instead of somewhere else?
1 TheCapnRedbeard 2014-02-21
Mentality, purpose, etc. I would rather falsely believe that a loving god created us, and has a plan for us than to truely know that aliens had made us. I just can't let myself think that aliens may have made us. Maybe I just think too highly of our species or maybe I'm romanticizing, but I just feel that if it DID turn out we were made by aliens that everything I've ever believed would be a lie.
I would feel devoid of purpose as I mentioned above.
3 007T 2014-02-21
What's to say those aliens aren't loving and had a plan for us, just like the god(s) of various religions people believe in?
How would it be a lie though, if we just identified a much more powerful being from another world, dimension, or plane, as what we now call a god?
1 yakuzayalosa 2014-02-21
This sounds like Scientology.
1 007T 2014-02-21
It also sounds a bit like Mormonism, now that you mention it.
1 TheCapnRedbeard 2014-02-21
Personally I was thinking more along the lines of a being from this plane. I couldn't accept that. I'm not sure, I really just feel like it wouldn't sit well with me. What if the aliens were just using us for experiment and that our race didn't matter to them? I can't say for sure, but at least in my head it's more comforting to believe that it was by a god, omnipotent and omniscient.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-02-21
It isn't about "preference", it's about finding the truth.
Maybe the truth is that we were created by "aliens" or something like that. Maybe the further truth is that a "higher power" created those aliens who created us and we all (aliens included) are a part of something bigger and greater than any of us can comprehend.
All I'm saying is that the two ideas are not mutually exclusive and you should try to stay open-minded to all things. Not all truths are convenient or happy.
I should note that I don't claim to know one way or the other. I'm fine knowing that I know nothing in the grand scheme of things but that doesn't mean I'll stop searching.
1 TheCapnRedbeard 2014-02-21
Very true, and I do try to keep an open mind. I just don't want to have to think about a reality where we have no point. Either way in that situation I'd rather believe a lie. You bring up some good points though. I see where you're coming from, I guess it would all have to be taken in in the right context. Kudos for so well supporting your side.
2 thc1967 2014-02-21
Any that can't convincingly answer some key questions:
1) Who benefits from the conspiracy?
2) How do they benefit?
3) Do they have the financial means and authority to carry out the conspiracy?
4) How are the benefits to them of the conspiracy significantly better than the benefits they would obtain by applying the same money and/or effort in more conventional (less risky) means?
5) How do they ensure the complicity of all civilians who must be complicit to make the conspiracy work?
A couple big fails on those questions:
Fake moon landing (ensuring the complicity of the Soviet government seems well nigh impossible)
Widespread chemtrails from commercial airliners (ensuring the complicity of the thousands of civilian ground crew and airline staff across international boundaries seems well nigh impossible)
1 007T 2014-02-21
This has always been my biggest problem with the moon conspiracies, if anyone had a vested interest in pointing out that we faked the landings, and the capability to determine that, it would be the Soviets.
0 iam_sancho2 2014-02-21
Who said they were commercial airliners. The first time I saw them, they were military KC-135s. Can you quantify and qualify how you came up with the idea that there are thousands of civilians working on the program?
Look through all of these links and then make up your mind afterwards.
Science
University Of Oxford - Geoengineering Programme
Extensive list of geoengineering patents
Stratospheric Sulfate Aerosols
Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering
Apparatus and method for ejecting matter from an aircraft – April 14, 1992
Method and apparatus for modifying supercooled clouds - December 8, 1997
Fluid bed chaff dispenser - Sep 4, 1979
Powder contrail generation - Aug 12, 1975
Apparatus For Generating Ice Nuclei Smoke Particles For Weather Modification - Aug 12, 1975
Discussion
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
A Recommended National Program In Weather Modification - 1966
Geoengineering: Governance and Technology Policy
Atmospheric Aerosol Properties and Climate Impacts
Geoengineering Cost Analysis Report IPCC report
Climate Change - So Much For Plan B
Geoengineering: Governance and Technology Policy
Space Preservation Act of 2001
Navy Research Paper: ‘Disrupt Economies’ with Man-Made ‘Floods,’ ‘Droughts’
video where a NASA Scientist says Chemtrails, twice:
“Chemtrails Are Happening All Over The World” According to Former British Columbia Premier
Weather Modification, Bill Gates and NASA
Moving Clouds Away
Geoengineering And The Collapse Of Earth
Stratospheric Injection of Reflective Aerosols or Particles by means of Aviation Fuel Additives
ALBEDO ENHANCEMENT BY STRATOSPHERIC SULFUR INJECTIONS
U.K. Researchers to Test Geoengineering the Climate
Former FBI Agent Speaks About Stratospheric Aerosols
History
Germ Warfare Testing Using Planes
Operation LAC - Toxins Sprayed Out Of Aircraft
Project SHAD - Testing Of Toxins On Unaware Military Personnel
Project 112 - More Toxins Sprayed Out Of Aircraft
Agent Orange Operation Popeye
Project Stormfury
Charged Aerosol Release Experiment
Army scientists secretly sprayed innocent St Louis citizens with 'radioactive' particles
United States Admits Tests On Sailors Navy Sprayed Biological, Chemical Agents Over Ships 30 Years Ago
British population sprayed covertly with the poisonous compound at least 76 times
Millions Were In Germ War Tests
RAF Weather Modification Results In Multiple Deaths
A Recommended National Program In Weather Modification - 1966 (NASA)
Weather Modification: Hearings before the Subcommittee on Oceans and International Environment of the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate - January 1, 1974
Dr. David Keith Recommends Aerosol Spraying
Chemical Testing
Lab Tests
Water Tests
Aerosol Fallout Tests
UK & France Rainwater Test Results
News reports
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev1Z67pXCxA
http://whnt.com/2013/06/05/chaff-new-theory-on-mystery-radar-blob/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16UfHe35DGc
Whistleblowers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEtOc2IFO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lW-TGGlk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA
Pilot Speaks Out About Stratospheric Aerosols and HAARP
Footage
Two Different 'Con'trails Coming Out Of One Plane
Plane Flying In Circles Deploying Aerosols
'Con'trails Being Turned On and Off At Will
Two Planes Flying Side-By-Side, One Turns Aerosol Spray Off and On Again
Controlled Spraying of Aerosols
Geoengineering? Watch This! Then Try to Deny It
Up Close Monitoring Of Aerosol Spraying On and Off Again
Airline Passengers Told To Lower Shades During Aerosol Spraying
Photographic Evidence
Leaked Photos of Chemtrail Dispersal System
http://imgur.com/az0ki97
http://imgur.com/NfPCZsk
http://imgur.com/ydNPvKt
http://imgur.com/HTxCzR4
HAARP and Electromagnetic Frequency Technology
The Smoking Gun: HAARP and Stratospheric Aerosols
ANGELS DON‘T PLAY THIS HAARP - Advances in Tesla Technology
Here are some magnetometer images of the HAARP activity in the days leading up to the Fukushima disaster, during and afterwards:
March 8
March 10
March 11
March 16
NEXRAD Weather Control: Vortex Creation 101
NEXRAD Weather Control: Tornado Termination 101
NEXRAD Weather Control: Heterodyning Frequency
Track the Planes Performing the Spraying
http://www.flightradar24.com/
http://flightaware.com/
http://planefinder.net/
Google these terms
"climate engineering"
"stratospheric aerosols"
"geoengineering"
"solar radiation management"
"albedo enhancement"
2 thc1967 2014-02-21
You read a lot into a short, simple response and wrote even more in your reply. I can tell it's a topic you're passionate about. But I think you missed my meaning.
My meaning was that I didn't believe that there is widespread chemtrailing happening from commercial airliners. That is a conspiracy theory that others (possibly not yourself) have suggested on this forum quite a number of times.
The reason for my statement is that there would need to be thousands of civilians complicit in the practice and it seems impossible to keep that many civilians quiet. Again, commercial airliners.
My comment didn't address military chemtrailing at all. Obviously it's easier to keep soldiers quiet.
There are other problems with chemtrailing though. In many cases, all the airplanes at a certain altitude band are producing trails. Not just some of them. All of them. In order for chemtrailing to be a "thing", that would mean that all the planes in the sky at a particular altitude band would have to be chemtrailing at the same time. If you notice something like that, take note of the time and location and do some research on what planes are there. In my hometown, when I've done that, there are a lot of commercial planes.
In those cases, contrails are a much more plausible explanation.
0 iam_sancho2 2014-02-21
Thank you. Also, private airlines like Evergreen International Airlines may be complicit in spraying aerosols and they may be able to keep people quiet with money and non-disclosure agreements.
2 jointhepcrace 2014-02-21
What the hell, I didnt think people actually beleived this. First of all, how could an aircraft possibly hold enough fluid to spray hundreds of miles of airspace. EVEN if they could hold enough "chemicals" how would spraying so little do anything? The chemicals would diffuse and it would not effect anything.
That is if I beleive any of this crazy notion. The production of these contrails is widely known and researched. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail , http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices. You can even find wind tunnel videos of such contrails being created.
Being from a military family with 2 military pilots as parents and currently working on a capstone project to do with vortexes on a wing, I have been around my fair share of aircraft. There is nowhere to store such fluod and no reason to store it. I cannot beleive that people still beleive this, open your eyes, have you ever actualy seen a plane?
0 iam_sancho2 2014-02-21
Military, huh? The first time I took notice of the persistent contrails I was a full-grown adult and they were being sprayed by military KC-135 aircraft. So, in my opinion, the military is the number one suspects performing these types of operations. If you read through the links, all of your questions would be explained, but you obviously didn't bother. Thank you for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you, Mr. Military.
2 jointhepcrace 2014-02-21
What? So all I see something to prove you wrong and you blow it off and say goodbye… So you guys are as bad as I thought. Haha I have read through most of the article calls and they all use bad logic or are not actually about this topic.
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2 jointhepcrace 2014-02-21
Facts are like opinions, except they are true
1 iam_sancho2 2014-02-21
The fact is that you dismissed every link provided within minutes, meaning that you didn't take the time to read through them thoroughly before you formed your opinion. The facts are that there is solid science behind geoengineering and it has been performed for a very long time. The facts are the military has the opportunity, means and motive to perform aerosol spraying. The facts are that because your family is part of an organization that are the number one suspects performing the spraying, your opinion on the matter is biased and means even less to me than your average person.
2 MelechiZedek 2014-02-21
The "Hollow Earth" Theory...
1 do_me_nico 2014-02-21
I don't agree with the moon landing being fake. I believe the footage on the moon is Hollywood sets, but they actually went to the moon.
Also I don't believe that sandy hook was fake, and so was the Navy yard shooter and Boston marathon bombings all being staged or exaggerated. I believe they set all of it up. Brain wash already mentally disturbed people and give them access to guns so they can create fear and chaos, so we can pass crazy gun reform laws. And that the bombing was definitely false flag terrorism. Get the medias attention, Kim a few Americans so we can blame it on someone else. And scapegoat it on two "Islamic fascists"
1 007T 2014-02-21
I haven't heard this one before, can you explain why they would want to do that? Wouldn't it be easier to use the real footage if they did go?
1 do_me_nico 2014-02-21
I honestly have no idea. I thought kubrick filmed the moon landing.
0 redandterrible 2014-02-21
Perhaps the guys who developed the photos messed up? I told them not to use one of those kiosk places!
0 Mrg13 2014-02-21
I have never thought of that either...but upon hearing it I thought...Hmm maybe they really did find something up there. That could be a reason to do it on a sound stage.
-3 Rockran 2014-02-21
JFK's 'back and to the left' crowd - They watch too many movies.
In movies, being shot is like being tackled.
In reality, being shot barely creates any movement:
NSFW 1
NSFW 2
NSFW 3
NSFW 4
NSFW 5
Five headshots of varying caliber, none of them show the bullet throwing the victim around in the way the 'back and to the left' crowd would have you believe.
So why did Kennedy jerk back after being shot? The same thing happens in my NSFW 2 video - In that video the teen's whole body jerks when shot the 2nd time.
But bullets do create a little bit of movement, so what about with JFK? - It sure did, but again it's not near what movie-goers would have you think.
2 do_me_nico 2014-02-21
The back and to the left happened because he was shot twice. Once in the neck back, and the top of his head entering the right side of his forehead. If you don't believe me rewatch him get shot.
-1 Rockran 2014-02-21
If he was shot from the front. Why is the exit spray on the front?
2 do_me_nico 2014-02-21
If he was shot from behind why is the entry wound on his forehead? Why does he grab the right side of his neck right before his brains are blown out? It was two shots.
1 Rockran 2014-02-21
Two shots hit, both from the rear.
0 Trax123 2014-02-21
It isn't. It's in the cowlick area on the back of the head.
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1 Rockran 2014-02-21
Significantly more powerful exit spray on the front of his head, as shown in the well known tape and confirmed by that Apple.
0 007T 2014-02-21
I'm not brave enough to click those liveleak links, but I remember the mythbusters did an episode on the recoil of being shot under various circumstances. They concluded pretty much the same thing, you barely get budged at all by the bullet hitting you.
-1 Trax123 2014-02-21
His head actually snaps forward 3-4 inches when the bullet impacts. The motion is tough to spot at full speed, but frame by frame it's impossible to miss.
The "back and to the left" motion was likely his body seizing up from massive brain trauma.
1 Rockran 2014-02-21
I already showed that forward motion with one of the links in my comment.
Click on "it sure did" in my last paragraph.
I also explained the jerk by referring to my 2nd video.
You didn't read my comment.
1 Rockran 2014-02-21
Significantly more powerful exit spray on the front of his head, as shown in the well known tape and confirmed by that Apple.
1 TheCapnRedbeard 2014-02-21
Very true, and I do try to keep an open mind. I just don't want to have to think about a reality where we have no point. Either way in that situation I'd rather believe a lie. You bring up some good points though. I see where you're coming from, I guess it would all have to be taken in in the right context. Kudos for so well supporting your side.