[discussion] Which commonly believed conspiracy theory do you think is nonsense, or blatantly wrong?

7  2014-02-21 by 007T

Be it the moon landings, 9/11, alien abductions, JFK, or whatever else: what conspiracy theory that is widely held to be true by many people do you think is completely wrong, and why?

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Democracy in America.

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I think you misunderstood the question, I'm asking which conspiracy theories you don't believe are correct.

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I think you misunderstood the question

I think you misunderstood the answer.

Lizard people.

Alien abductions and the whole UFO phenomena. I believe they are all manmade technologies and abductions are kidnappings. They blame them on "aliens" so no one bothers to look inward, instead of outward.

Anything having to do with aliens being gods or aliens creating us. It seems ludicrous, but may have more to do with the fact that I cannot stand to live in a works devoid of higher purpose. If aliens made us as an experiment it would be detrimental to so many people. Not to mention it's just stupid. Who would prefer to think aliens made us than to believe in a higher power?

Who would prefer to think aliens made us than to believe in a higher power?

If aliens had the ability to create us, what separates them from some other higher power that might have created us? What would really be the difference if a creator of life on Earth came from another planet instead of somewhere else?

Mentality, purpose, etc. I would rather falsely believe that a loving god created us, and has a plan for us than to truely know that aliens had made us. I just can't let myself think that aliens may have made us. Maybe I just think too highly of our species or maybe I'm romanticizing, but I just feel that if it DID turn out we were made by aliens that everything I've ever believed would be a lie.
I would feel devoid of purpose as I mentioned above.

I would rather falsely believe that a loving god created us, and has a plan for us than to truely know that aliens had made us.

What's to say those aliens aren't loving and had a plan for us, just like the god(s) of various religions people believe in?

if it DID turn out we were made by aliens that everything I've ever believed would be a lie.

How would it be a lie though, if we just identified a much more powerful being from another world, dimension, or plane, as what we now call a god?

This sounds like Scientology.

It also sounds a bit like Mormonism, now that you mention it.

Personally I was thinking more along the lines of a being from this plane. I couldn't accept that. I'm not sure, I really just feel like it wouldn't sit well with me. What if the aliens were just using us for experiment and that our race didn't matter to them? I can't say for sure, but at least in my head it's more comforting to believe that it was by a god, omnipotent and omniscient.

It isn't about "preference", it's about finding the truth.

Maybe the truth is that we were created by "aliens" or something like that. Maybe the further truth is that a "higher power" created those aliens who created us and we all (aliens included) are a part of something bigger and greater than any of us can comprehend.

All I'm saying is that the two ideas are not mutually exclusive and you should try to stay open-minded to all things. Not all truths are convenient or happy.

I should note that I don't claim to know one way or the other. I'm fine knowing that I know nothing in the grand scheme of things but that doesn't mean I'll stop searching.

Very true, and I do try to keep an open mind. I just don't want to have to think about a reality where we have no point. Either way in that situation I'd rather believe a lie. You bring up some good points though. I see where you're coming from, I guess it would all have to be taken in in the right context. Kudos for so well supporting your side.

Any that can't convincingly answer some key questions:

1) Who benefits from the conspiracy?

2) How do they benefit?

3) Do they have the financial means and authority to carry out the conspiracy?

4) How are the benefits to them of the conspiracy significantly better than the benefits they would obtain by applying the same money and/or effort in more conventional (less risky) means?

5) How do they ensure the complicity of all civilians who must be complicit to make the conspiracy work?

A couple big fails on those questions:

  • Fake moon landing (ensuring the complicity of the Soviet government seems well nigh impossible)

  • Widespread chemtrails from commercial airliners (ensuring the complicity of the thousands of civilian ground crew and airline staff across international boundaries seems well nigh impossible)

(ensuring the complicity of the Soviet government seems well nigh impossible)

This has always been my biggest problem with the moon conspiracies, if anyone had a vested interest in pointing out that we faked the landings, and the capability to determine that, it would be the Soviets.

Widespread chemtrails from commercial airliners (ensuring the complicity of the thousands of civilian ground crew and airline staff across international boundaries seems well nigh impossible)

Who said they were commercial airliners. The first time I saw them, they were military KC-135s. Can you quantify and qualify how you came up with the idea that there are thousands of civilians working on the program?

Look through all of these links and then make up your mind afterwards.

Science

University Of Oxford - Geoengineering Programme

Extensive list of geoengineering patents

Stratospheric Sulfate Aerosols

Stratospheric Particle Injection for Climate Engineering

Apparatus and method for ejecting matter from an aircraft – April 14, 1992

Method and apparatus for modifying supercooled clouds - December 8, 1997

Fluid bed chaff dispenser - Sep 4, 1979

Powder contrail generation - Aug 12, 1975

Apparatus For Generating Ice Nuclei Smoke Particles For Weather Modification - Aug 12, 1975

Discussion

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025

A Recommended National Program In Weather Modification - 1966

Geoengineering: Governance and Technology Policy

Atmospheric Aerosol Properties and Climate Impacts

Geoengineering Cost Analysis Report IPCC report

Climate Change - So Much For Plan B

Geoengineering: Governance and Technology Policy

Space Preservation Act of 2001

Navy Research Paper: ‘Disrupt Economies’ with Man-Made ‘Floods,’ ‘Droughts’

video where a NASA Scientist says Chemtrails, twice:

“Chemtrails Are Happening All Over The World” According to Former British Columbia Premier

Weather Modification, Bill Gates and NASA

Moving Clouds Away

Geoengineering And The Collapse Of Earth

Stratospheric Injection of Reflective Aerosols or Particles by means of Aviation Fuel Additives

ALBEDO ENHANCEMENT BY STRATOSPHERIC SULFUR INJECTIONS

U.K. Researchers to Test Geoengineering the Climate

Former FBI Agent Speaks About Stratospheric Aerosols

History

Germ Warfare Testing Using Planes

Operation LAC - Toxins Sprayed Out Of Aircraft

Project SHAD - Testing Of Toxins On Unaware Military Personnel

Project 112 - More Toxins Sprayed Out Of Aircraft

Agent Orange Operation Popeye

Project Stormfury

Charged Aerosol Release Experiment

Army scientists secretly sprayed innocent St Louis citizens with 'radioactive' particles

United States Admits Tests On Sailors Navy Sprayed Biological, Chemical Agents Over Ships 30 Years Ago

British population sprayed covertly with the poisonous compound at least 76 times

Millions Were In Germ War Tests

RAF Weather Modification Results In Multiple Deaths

A Recommended National Program In Weather Modification - 1966 (NASA)

Weather Modification: Hearings before the Subcommittee on Oceans and International Environment of the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate - January 1, 1974

Dr. David Keith Recommends Aerosol Spraying

Chemical Testing

Lab Tests

Water Tests

Aerosol Fallout Tests

UK & France Rainwater Test Results

News reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev1Z67pXCxA

http://whnt.com/2013/06/05/chaff-new-theory-on-mystery-radar-blob/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16UfHe35DGc

Whistleblowers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEtOc2IFO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lW-TGGlk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA

Pilot Speaks Out About Stratospheric Aerosols and HAARP

Footage

Two Different 'Con'trails Coming Out Of One Plane

Plane Flying In Circles Deploying Aerosols

'Con'trails Being Turned On and Off At Will

Two Planes Flying Side-By-Side, One Turns Aerosol Spray Off and On Again

Controlled Spraying of Aerosols

Geoengineering? Watch This! Then Try to Deny It

Up Close Monitoring Of Aerosol Spraying On and Off Again

Airline Passengers Told To Lower Shades During Aerosol Spraying

Photographic Evidence

Leaked Photos of Chemtrail Dispersal System

http://imgur.com/az0ki97

http://imgur.com/NfPCZsk

http://imgur.com/ydNPvKt

http://imgur.com/HTxCzR4

HAARP and Electromagnetic Frequency Technology

The Smoking Gun: HAARP and Stratospheric Aerosols

ANGELS DON‘T PLAY THIS HAARP - Advances in Tesla Technology

Here are some magnetometer images of the HAARP activity in the days leading up to the Fukushima disaster, during and afterwards:

NEXRAD Weather Control: Vortex Creation 101

NEXRAD Weather Control: Tornado Termination 101

NEXRAD Weather Control: Heterodyning Frequency

Track the Planes Performing the Spraying

http://www.flightradar24.com/

http://flightaware.com/

http://planefinder.net/

Google these terms

"climate engineering"

"stratospheric aerosols"

"geoengineering"

"solar radiation management"

"albedo enhancement"

Who said they were commercial airliners. The first time I saw them, they were military KC-135s. Can you quantify and qualify how you came up with the idea that there are thousands of civilians working on the program?

You read a lot into a short, simple response and wrote even more in your reply. I can tell it's a topic you're passionate about. But I think you missed my meaning.

My meaning was that I didn't believe that there is widespread chemtrailing happening from commercial airliners. That is a conspiracy theory that others (possibly not yourself) have suggested on this forum quite a number of times.

The reason for my statement is that there would need to be thousands of civilians complicit in the practice and it seems impossible to keep that many civilians quiet. Again, commercial airliners.

My comment didn't address military chemtrailing at all. Obviously it's easier to keep soldiers quiet.

There are other problems with chemtrailing though. In many cases, all the airplanes at a certain altitude band are producing trails. Not just some of them. All of them. In order for chemtrailing to be a "thing", that would mean that all the planes in the sky at a particular altitude band would have to be chemtrailing at the same time. If you notice something like that, take note of the time and location and do some research on what planes are there. In my hometown, when I've done that, there are a lot of commercial planes.

In those cases, contrails are a much more plausible explanation.

Thank you. Also, private airlines like Evergreen International Airlines may be complicit in spraying aerosols and they may be able to keep people quiet with money and non-disclosure agreements.

What the hell, I didnt think people actually beleived this. First of all, how could an aircraft possibly hold enough fluid to spray hundreds of miles of airspace. EVEN if they could hold enough "chemicals" how would spraying so little do anything? The chemicals would diffuse and it would not effect anything.

That is if I beleive any of this crazy notion. The production of these contrails is widely known and researched. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail , http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices. You can even find wind tunnel videos of such contrails being created.

Being from a military family with 2 military pilots as parents and currently working on a capstone project to do with vortexes on a wing, I have been around my fair share of aircraft. There is nowhere to store such fluod and no reason to store it. I cannot beleive that people still beleive this, open your eyes, have you ever actualy seen a plane?

Military, huh? The first time I took notice of the persistent contrails I was a full-grown adult and they were being sprayed by military KC-135 aircraft. So, in my opinion, the military is the number one suspects performing these types of operations. If you read through the links, all of your questions would be explained, but you obviously didn't bother. Thank you for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you, Mr. Military.

What? So all I see something to prove you wrong and you blow it off and say goodbye… So you guys are as bad as I thought. Haha I have read through most of the article calls and they all use bad logic or are not actually about this topic.

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Facts are like opinions, except they are true

The fact is that you dismissed every link provided within minutes, meaning that you didn't take the time to read through them thoroughly before you formed your opinion. The facts are that there is solid science behind geoengineering and it has been performed for a very long time. The facts are the military has the opportunity, means and motive to perform aerosol spraying. The facts are that because your family is part of an organization that are the number one suspects performing the spraying, your opinion on the matter is biased and means even less to me than your average person.

The "Hollow Earth" Theory...

I don't agree with the moon landing being fake. I believe the footage on the moon is Hollywood sets, but they actually went to the moon.

Also I don't believe that sandy hook was fake, and so was the Navy yard shooter and Boston marathon bombings all being staged or exaggerated. I believe they set all of it up. Brain wash already mentally disturbed people and give them access to guns so they can create fear and chaos, so we can pass crazy gun reform laws. And that the bombing was definitely false flag terrorism. Get the medias attention, Kim a few Americans so we can blame it on someone else. And scapegoat it on two "Islamic fascists"

I believe the footage on the moon is Hollywood sets, but they actually went to the moon.

I haven't heard this one before, can you explain why they would want to do that? Wouldn't it be easier to use the real footage if they did go?

I honestly have no idea. I thought kubrick filmed the moon landing.

Perhaps the guys who developed the photos messed up? I told them not to use one of those kiosk places!

I have never thought of that either...but upon hearing it I thought...Hmm maybe they really did find something up there. That could be a reason to do it on a sound stage.

JFK's 'back and to the left' crowd - They watch too many movies.

In movies, being shot is like being tackled.

In reality, being shot barely creates any movement:

NSFW 1

NSFW 2

NSFW 3

NSFW 4

NSFW 5

Five headshots of varying caliber, none of them show the bullet throwing the victim around in the way the 'back and to the left' crowd would have you believe.


So why did Kennedy jerk back after being shot? The same thing happens in my NSFW 2 video - In that video the teen's whole body jerks when shot the 2nd time.

But bullets do create a little bit of movement, so what about with JFK? - It sure did, but again it's not near what movie-goers would have you think.

The back and to the left happened because he was shot twice. Once in the neck back, and the top of his head entering the right side of his forehead. If you don't believe me rewatch him get shot.

If he was shot from the front. Why is the exit spray on the front?

If he was shot from behind why is the entry wound on his forehead? Why does he grab the right side of his neck right before his brains are blown out? It was two shots.

Two shots hit, both from the rear.

If he was shot from behind why is the entry wound on his forehead?

It isn't. It's in the cowlick area on the back of the head.

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Significantly more powerful exit spray on the front of his head, as shown in the well known tape and confirmed by that Apple.

In movies, being shot is like being tackled.
In reality, being shot barely creates any movement

I'm not brave enough to click those liveleak links, but I remember the mythbusters did an episode on the recoil of being shot under various circumstances. They concluded pretty much the same thing, you barely get budged at all by the bullet hitting you.

His head actually snaps forward 3-4 inches when the bullet impacts. The motion is tough to spot at full speed, but frame by frame it's impossible to miss.

The "back and to the left" motion was likely his body seizing up from massive brain trauma.

I already showed that forward motion with one of the links in my comment.

Click on "it sure did" in my last paragraph.

I also explained the jerk by referring to my 2nd video.

You didn't read my comment.

Significantly more powerful exit spray on the front of his head, as shown in the well known tape and confirmed by that Apple.

Very true, and I do try to keep an open mind. I just don't want to have to think about a reality where we have no point. Either way in that situation I'd rather believe a lie. You bring up some good points though. I see where you're coming from, I guess it would all have to be taken in in the right context. Kudos for so well supporting your side.