You would need to read about the father of modern Zionism, Theodore Herzl.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

It was his great idea for the Jewish people to found their own nation. While evidence is thin, I believe that he was working closely with the Rothschilds. After failing in negotiations with the local Sultan to carve out a section of Palestine, the Rothschilds directed the British government to fight the bloody First and Second Battles of Gaza.

Later on, the British would issue the Balfour Declaration, addressed to Lord Rothschild, which handed over Palestine in exchange for drawing the Americans into the Great War. Of course, the Lusitania sank and the rest is history.

because they are preparing the world and nation for dajaal.

hah! As a fellow Muslim, I agree completely, but I think a better explanation is required for others.

Please! Elaborate. :)

Jesus was sent by God to Jewish people as a Messiah.

Rabbi feel threatened and rejected Jesus and tried to kill him.

Jesus was called back by God.

Dajjal is anti-Christ who will be coming in end times, so the people who are expecting Messiah will accept Anti Christ as their Messiah.

Jesus will come back and punish those who follow Dajjal.

Lectures on Dajjal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luHZTN9mifI

Interview with Morris https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=morris%20imran%20hosein&sm=3

The Jerusalem/Temple Mount thing is a thing

But on the other hand if they had so much money couldn't they have just bought it like the US did with Alaska or Louisiana?

They tried. In 1896, Herzl visited the Ottoman Empire:

[Herzl] failed to obtain an audience but did succeed in visiting a number of highly placed individuals, including the Grand Vizier, who received him as a journalist representing the Neue Freie Presse. Herzl presented his proposal to the Grand Vizier: the Jews would pay the Turkish foreign debt and attempt to help regulate Turkish finances if they were given Palestine as a Jewish homeland under Turkish rule.

"The Jews" would pay the Turkish foreign debt???

So what happened?

Five years later, May 17, 1901, Herzl did meet with Sultan Abdulhamid II,[20] but the Sultan refused Theodor Herzl's offer to consolidate the Ottoman debt in exchange for a charter allowing the Zionists access to Palestine.

Then what happened?

• The Young Turk Revolution

• WWI

• The Balfour Declaration

• The Ottoman Empire was dissolved

Maybe the Sultan should have taken the deal?

I'll copy past the answer I answered just few min ago.

Malchizedek the king of Shalem, the one who gave Abraham (father of Judaism) his name (changed from Abram) as well as his city (Shalem). Abraham renamed this city to "Yerushalayim" (Jerusalem in Hebrew). The Hebrew word for "will see" is Yireh, so the meaning is "I see Shalem". Malchizedek was an Angle of God.

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. that must mean something.

A Jewish state can only exists near Jerusalem. and the reason for this is well described in the Kabbalah (and other sources of information), and it's also a lot more scientific than what you might think related to energy and stuff.

My knowledge in the area is only limited. but further investigation can reveal more. I can try explain just a bit more if you ask something specific.

I'll add, like you can see this is not "lost knowledge", just not mentioned much. it's all described on the books, what people call the "The Bible" is approx 1/5 or 1/4 of the whole Jewish religion, depends on how you count the books.

The Jewish state can exist anywhere, but Jerusalem is a holy city for Judaism, and thus was the idea location for the state. Also, can you expand on the lost knowledge thing?

I think when he said the "lost knowledge" he meant as in occult knowledge. The Kabbalah he was talking about is full of that kind of stuff. Which is to complex of a subject to expand on.

I am not a religious person, but I do try expand my knowledge on my religion, Judaism, all the time. I have not learned Kabbalah, but I am aware some of the subject it talks about.

Kabbalah is sometimes called "secret knowledge" (occult), but not because it's a really a secret, like /u/yellowsnow2 mentioned it's a complex subject. It's complex subject just like Aerospace Engineering is complex. Before you can build your own space ship there quit a lot of prerequisites you should learn first. so does Kabbalah, and it takes many years to master (sometimes a lifetime). you can't expect it to be easy to understand what God really is.

It is comparable to the knowledge the monks in Tibet poses. essentially it also gets to some form of meditation, clearing and freeing your mind and receiving the energy. Jewish people do this also but in a slightly different ways, and the types of energy they get is different than the monks.

I can try explain some specific things, but it would take pages to really give a detailed information you might be able to understand.

I will say this, Galileo Galilei a physicist who lived only 400 years ago showed the western world that Earth is going around the Sun and not the other way around. people at the time, in Europe were not aware of this. but the Egyptians who lived more than 3000 years ago know this, and a lot more. so this knowledge was kind of "lost" in history.

It's a similar situation with God, Jewish (and not only) posses the knowledge of God for thousands of years already, and the explanation is not an easy one, this why the Bible and other books were written, for the "common" people who do not learn about God all their life, but what is written in the Bible is rendered in very simplistic manner.

Look at the Electromagnetic Spectrum. you can see each type of energy have a frequency (you can refer to it as a gap). Gamma rays like shown are energies what the smallest gaps (there's something smaller we know about? there is actually), they also quite hard to measure compared to radio waves.

The energy of God (or divine energy), is much much much more thinner than gamma rays, this why we today do not posses the electronic equipment to measure this energy (we might some day). but the funny thing is we humans have souls, and our souls are devices that receive this energy all the time, all our life, from all around the universe, souls are "decoders" of the divine energy. and if you learn how, you can train your mind also to understand this energy and understand God.

The place was called Shalem, and what today is Jerusalem, is an energetic spot not a town really, a very special spot because it gives the most direct connection to the energy we refer as "God". there's not such thing as "The Jewish God", it's just one God that is everything. it was repeated many times in many places but people seemed to always ignore this.

Thanks for expanding on your point. Also, is the reason it's the most direct contact due to the temple of solomon and temple of david?

Whenever you have a large fanatical movement, such as global warming, or Zionism, it has layers.

The mass is made up of true believers who have bought into the mythology and the fantasy.

In the middle you have technocrats and experts and academics who do the grunt work to make the vision a reality, and they are doing it for money. They are interested in social position, income, advancement in their careers, publicity, fame.

At the top you have cynical bastards who don't believe in the myth for an instant, but who see the movement as a way to advance their global agendas and make themselves wealthy. They run the show. They give the orders. They are the Al Gores and the Michael Manns of the movement. They tell themselves that even though their movement is a lie, it is for the greater good. And they half believe it, the greater hypocrites among them.

It's the same with Zionism. The mass of Jews at the bottom believed, at least in part, in the relilgious fairy tales of a Promised Land. The middle level Jews are the ones who pushed the movement forward with their campaigning, and organizations, and studies, and essays, and books, and speeches, and propaganda, but they didn't do it for belief, they did it for their own career advancement and enrichment. Then at the top, we have the lofty few who run Zionism but don't believe in the biblical stories to the slightest degree. They view Zionism as their way to further their global agenda, and also as a means of sustaining their own authority and power over the masses of people below them. They are cynics, hypocrites, and probably all of them are psychopaths.

I just wanted to say that i liked how you painted the hierarchy for shit like this. You illustrated the pyramid hierarchy pretty well, i believe.

There's no lost knowledge, it's been written for thousands of years.

The Bible has nearly 800 references to Jerusalem- called “the City of our God” (Ps. 48:1,8) Jerusalem is God’s city, the city of Zion, he has invested his name there (Daniel 9:19).

Jerusalem is called the city of the great King (Matt.5:35). YHWH is called “the God of Israel,” He is not called the God of any other nation in this manner, The God of Jerusalem is key to the Jewish people, to Jesus and to the end of the age.

Zion is called the city of God. Isa 60:14: “and they shall call you The City of the Lord, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.” It is where the Lord has and will dwell again. Joel 3:21: “for the LORD dwells in Zion.” When the temple permanently replaced the tabernacle and was built in Jerusalem it became the place of his dwelling, his presence was there, thus name Zion.

Ps. 132:13-14: “For the LORD has chosen Zion; he has desired it for His dwelling place: “This is My resting place forever; here I will dwell, for I have desired it.” Ps. 87:1-3: “His foundation is in the holy mountains. The LORD loves the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are spoken of you, O city of God! Selah”

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No, I do not believe all people worship the same god. There is only one God and only one book He says is given by His inspiration, is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness.

King Solomon age was golden age for Jewish people. So now they are expecting it to return along with Messiah who will be Anti Christ.

all about the land and resources, and ultimate enslavement of civilizations (over and over again) by the Venetian del Banco family. The rest is just for show.

Greed

I think that they wanted an area where they had more control. They controlled the European nations thru finance, but they still had to share a certain amount of power with the Goyim because they were outnumbered and not all of the Goyim were willing to be conned. Specifically, the English Crown was one family that wanted to retain some of its power. I think they want to establish an area where they totally controlled all aspects of the society.

The western powers needed a beach head in the middle east. Simple as that, all other reasons are for the sheeple.

And the sand of this "beach head" needed to be Jewish, right?

Well, kinda.

The days of British colonialism were long over at that point. A British state could never exist in the long term.

By signing it over to a bunch of jews that were already doing them a favor for it, they maintained their hegemony as opposed to returning it to the palestinians.

As you can see today, all of the 'solutions' offered are two-state situations. Of course the most likely reality is just one state(Israel) with a repressed majority (the palestinians).

The days of British colonialism were long over at that point. A British state could never exist in the long term.

Wait, you think it was a colony? read this.

By signing it over to a bunch of jews that were already doing them a favor for it...

This "favor" you speak of - describe it in detail, would you?

they maintained their hegemony as opposed to returning it to the palestinians.

Are you suggesting that Israel is controlled by Britain? By her magesty the queen?

Interesting.

As you can see today, all of the 'solutions' offered are two-state situations.

Of course. You can't have a "Jewish State" when Jews are the minority - as they would be if they abandoned their apartheid policies.

Of course the most likely reality is just one state(Israel) with a repressed majority (the palestinians).

That would seem to be Israel's version of "peace.

Wait, you think it was a colony? read this.

No I said that a british presence in Israel would not be tenable long-term due to the fact that England was no longer a colonial empire.

This "favor" you speak of - describe it in detail, would you?

The balfour declaration mentioned elsewhere. Rothschilds promised to get the US into the war in exchange for palestine from Britain.

Are you suggesting that Israel is controlled by Britain? By her magesty the queen?

If that's what you think English hegemony is then sure, that would make sense on your terms. I'm not really trying to make a statement on what that power structure is as much as a comment on what is apparently true about Israel.

That would seem to be Israel's version of "peace.

Indeed

and a buffer for Europe against the wild arabs living east of there. keeps the Mediterranean European/western.

close to the Suez canal, close to the Bosporus.

Is+Ra+El

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Yes. Though I've always heard it said that the "El" stands for "Elohim".

Edit: Or the Canaanite God "El".

It is their God YHVH's will. Jewish people are very religious. They live their lives, most of them, in accordance with the will of the Father, Yahweh (YHVH).

Israel plays a huge part in the end times. I assume that is why they wanted their country back. It would act as a stepping stone to get things started.

That's kinda generalized. Judaism functions much like christianity or Islam, in that there are some groups that are far more religious then others (reform vs. hasids).

Zionism is race-based Jewish Nationalism.

I'm talking about Judaism, not zionism.

I'm talking about Judaism, not zionism.

That is an important distinction, especially during the early days of Zionism, when most Jews rejected the scheme as ludicrous.

And there are still today Jews who do not support zionism, although most support the modern idea of zionism; being the continued existence and development of Israel. Also, there are groups that take it to dangerous levels (settlements in the west bank, opposing assimilation) but for the most part they are few and far between.

I have give the matter some thought, and sadly, I don't see how Zionism can possibly end in anything other than calamity - not only for Israelis and Palestinians, but for Jews living outside Israel, and likely for the world as a whole.

One-State solution? Can't happen - as Jews would quickly become outnumbered and the Zionist Dream of a "Jewish State" will evaporate.

Two-State solution? The moment Palestine is recognized as a State, Israel will declare war, and it will explode into a conflagration that will encompass the region - if not the world.

The only viable solution would be true assimilation - but that is the GREATEST FEAR that Jews have - indeed, preventing assimilation was the impetus that spawned Political Zionism from the beginning.

No, no happy endings that I can see.

Cheer me up?

Jews outlooks on one/two state ideas depend on what form of Judaism they are from (i.e reform, conservative, orthodox). Ultra-orthodox jews will never support a two state solution, but a reform jew for example, might be more open to it. Personally, I am in favour of whatever would create a peace between both Israel and Palestine, and if dividing it up is what it takes, that's fine.

That may be fine with you and I, but it isn't going to fly with the vast majority of Jews inside or outside of Israel.

There is a reason that the Israelis keep snatching more and more land - driving the Palestinians off, stealing their water, burning their groves, destroying their homes and villages - all while investing heavily in settlements and infrastructure.

Historically, Israeli leaders have been hard-nosed ruthless expansionists, and "bad things" happened to Israeli leaders who were seen as "weak", or as ceding Jewish territory (see Yitzhak Rabin and Ariel Sharon).

Sorry, but I find it difficult to share your optimism.

Not that many jews support the expansion of Israel (settlements in the west bank), and it tends to be hardcore orthodox jews who settle there. Also, don't forget that the vast majority of jews are reform or conservative, and not orthodox (who are probably more open to talks between both sides). Also, the main problem with Israel and expansionism is that the orthodox jews hold a significant amount fo power, and they pretty much abuse it. Overall though, I hope that eventually both sides will come to a agreement of some kind.

Look at the power of AIPAC and similar lobbies here in the US. Look at the ADL and their ilk.

Unfortunately the Zionists have convinced MOST Jews that militant Zionism is the only thing that stands between them and another Holocaust, when in fact the deplorable behavior of Zionists has done more to create enemies for Jews than any movement in history - and the trend shows no signs of slowing.

That's not true at all. Modern Zionism is certainly prevalent (although it is about the continued existence and development of Israel, not expansion), but that's not that same as militant zionism. Again, militant zionism exists, but to a far lesser extent then you seem to think. In fact, many jews disagree with militant zionism and how it achieves it's goals.

when they settle there they are doing it entirely with support state.

It's more that the government looks the other way then actively supporting it. Also, as I said before the overarching issue is that the orthodox jews have far too much power.

Umm those orthodox jews aren't bulldozing palestinian anything with their own bulldozers.

Not sure who you are trying to kid. The issue is not even remotely close to the fact that orthodox jews have too much power because they don't.

The extremist party isn't the orthodox jew party. It's the extremist party for extremist assholes which Israel seems to be full of regardless of any orthodox jews.

So you assume that all of israel is full of extremist jews? That's a pretty big assumption right there.

Israel is politically dominated by it's right wing extremist party - I'm not sure why you are trying to debate what is obvious.

So you assume that all of israel is full of extremist jews?

I didn't put all in there. You did. I said Israel is full of extremist jews which is true given that they have an apartheid supported by their political majority.

This aspect of Israel's existence being necessary for the end times is largely responsible for the prevalence of "Christian Zionists" that occupy the US government.

It is their God YHVH's will. Jewish people are very religious.

Like Herzl? Oh, wait, he was an atheist.

They live their lives, most of them, in accordance with the will of the Father, Yahweh (YHVH).

Okeedokee.

Israel plays a huge part in the end times...

So much that, without the Israelis, we might not have an "end times" at all!

Yeah.. I'll try to explain some things to you, user Amos_Quito.

You cannot lump an entire race of people into the beliefs of one man. So.. Theodor Herzl was an atheist.. that doesn't mean all Jew's are, nor does one man who died in the early 20th century speak or stand for all Jewish people. I mean, you can use that kind of logic, but it's just embarrassing.

They do. Judaism is a very strict faith.. Their dogmas and code of beliefs are very demanding. I'm not going to explain to you how or why they live the lives they do. You have a brain, figure it out yourself. Go ask any rabbi if they live their life in accordance with YHVH's will. I double dog dare you.

Israel is not the only nation that plays a part in the end times. If you know anything about bible prophecy you wouldn't say that.

I can understand the logic being thought of in your last statement. If there were no jews, there more than likely wouldn't be a holy bible, so therefore, there wouldn't be an endtimes.

However, there are Jews... there is a bible.. and there may or may not be an end times.

If you read the bible you can learn about how things on earth are before the end days. This time period is called, the time of sorrow, or Jacob's trouble. Jesus said before he returns you (humans) will see signs and stars in the heaven's. (That's just one piece of evidence, there are many more but for the sake of this post I will allow you to come to your own conclusions based on the research you may or may not do). This means comets, meteorites, etc.

Here's something cool. This year and next year 2014/2015 there will be 4 blood moons.. all falling on major Jewish Holiday's. These events have happened many time during earth's history, but the last time there were 4 blood moons on Jewish holy days were during..

The Spanish Inquisition (1492) The War of Independence (1948) The Six day War (1967)

It's very interesting how the bible says that the time we are living in now is known as the time of trouble and how blood moons are occurring sacred Judaic holidays. This leads me to believe that some major events that include Israel are going to happen this year. April 16, I believe, is when the first one is going to occur. One more this year, and the other two are saved for 2015.

Personally, I do not believe YHVH is all that is made out to be, but it would be unwise to dismiss something just because your ego and your own intelligence cannot find anything in it. All truths are half truths and all falsehoods are based upon truth.

First, thanks for taking the time to write this post, LordMandrake.

Yeah.. I'll try to explain some things to you, user Amos_Quito.

Okay.

You cannot lump an entire race of people into the beliefs of one man. So.. Theodor Herzl was an atheist.. that doesn't mean all Jew's are, nor does one man who died in the early 20th century speak or stand for all Jewish people.

Of course, my intent was not to try to imply that ALL Jews are atheist - but to poingt out that the origins and motivations of Political Zionism had little or nothing to do with religion or faith.

I mean, you can use that kind of logic, but it's just embarrassing.

Embarassing?

Judaism is a very strict faith.. Their dogmas and code of beliefs are very demanding.

613 mizvots!

I'm not going to explain to you how or why they live the lives they do. You have a brain, figure it out yourself. Go ask any rabbi if they live their life in accordance with YHVH's will. I double dog dare you.

No need to risk the double-dog. I'm fairly familiar with the subject, thanks. And these days, relatively few Jews are as pious as you portray here: Most are quite secular - nominally religious, luke warm, agnostic, or atheist. Of course there are those that are full-tilt religious, but these are the minority. Hell, most don't even bother to keep kosher.

Israel is not the only nation that plays a part in the end times. If you know anything about bible prophecy you wouldn't say that.

I didn't say that, did I? And I am fairly well versed with the prophesies, but I am also familiar with the tales of the Brothers Grimm - I just don't put much stock in self-serving stories. I'm sure you understand. No offense!

I can understand the logic being thought of in your last statement. If there were no jews, there more than likely wouldn't be a holy bible, so therefore, there wouldn't be an endtimes.

I'll thank you NOT put words in my mouth, chum. I said nothing about JEWS, I said "without the Israelis, we might not have an "end times" at all" Israel is a snowball in hell - an artificially created monstrosity sitting EXACTLY where it doesn't belong, and it is run by and filled with some of the most paranoid, overzealous racist wingnuts that can be found on the planet. They make enemies out of everyone they make contact with (and blame everyone but themselves), and worst of all, the "shittly little country" is armed to the teeth with every kind of nasty-assed weapon imaginable - nuclear, biological, chemical - YOU NAME IT, Israel has it, and THEY WILL USE IT. THAT, LordMandrake, is why I said that "without the Israelis, we might not have an "end times" at all!"

This means comets, meteorites, etc.

Yeah, we've never had those before. (rolls eyes)

4 blood moons on Jewish holy days were during..

The Spanish Inquisition (1492) The War of Independence (1948) The Six day War (1967)

Ever hear of self-fulfilling prophesy? If some "prophet" predicts that a church is going to burn down, and LO AND BEHOLD IT DOES - who do you think the Arson Squad will be visiting?

You have your faith, and that's fine. You believe that Israel is God's country, and that's fine too - EXCEPT when cockeyed crazy beliefs become the impetus that rains hell on the Earth and humanity - and that is precisely where Zionism and its adherents - be they Jew or Gentile - seem to be leading us.

Thanks but no thanks. Y'all should treat your religion like your genitals: Love them all you want, admire, adore and fondle them if you like, but KEEP THEM IN YOUR PANTS.

Thanks.

Thank you for your sanity.

No, Amos, thank you for the conversation. It was my pleasure to share this with you.

Amos, I am sorry. I misunderstood your message and I regret trying to make you sound as if you were a fool. I couldn't do so if I tried, and even if I were to attempt such a thing it would make me feel bad because it's kind of a dick move to go out of your way to make people sound stupid. You're not stupid, I'm just an asshole. Truly, you know what you are talking about and that is fantastic.

The point I was trying to make was not to justify the Jewish people in their actions, or to even make the folly attempt of trying to justify Zionism of all things.

I was trying to express that even if you choose not to believe in the bible there still are some great points that it makes in wisdom and philosophy. Some of the prophecies in the book are a great reflection on modern times now. You can read what the bible says in terms of what is going on now. Rumors of war, peace and security, signs in the stars, esoteric knowledge being made available to nearly anyone, weather disasters, the list goes on and on.

I was just trying to make the point that you shouldn't let your beliefs in a people reflect on their wisdom itself.

Personally, as I said, I don't think that the Judaic tribal God YHVH is all that is he cracked up to be. The myths in both Christianity and Judaism go back to Egypt, nearly 3000 years before Christ ever walked the earth. His tale is predated by Osiris, Mithras, Dionysus, and many many more. I am bringing this up because I want to explain that I do not put much faith into the religion itself. YHVH even states in the bible that he is an angry and jealous God.

If the Jewish people are in fact the children of God, then it makes a poor reflection on their God itself.

I am not a Christian. I do not believe that Israel itself is God's land.

Just because I made some references to the bible does not mean I follow it. It just means I am aware of what it has to say.

Modern Christianity is a joke. Most people don't even know that the bible isn't supposed to be taken at face value. It's all allegories. With an understanding of the occult the messages shine so much more and clearer, but it's not for everyone.

You're welcome, Amos. I hope that you have a fantastic life.

I was just trying to make the point that you shouldn't let your beliefs in a people reflect on their wisdom itself.

On the contrary, perusing the scriptures can shed much light on the behavior of modern culture(s).

I am bringing this up because I want to explain that I do not put much faith into the religion itself. YHVH even states in the bible that he is an angry and jealous God.

Yeah, that is kind of creepy, isn't it?

If the Jewish people are in fact the children of God, then it makes a poor reflection on their God itself.

Well, life's a crap shoot. It seems He chose poorly. Or they did. Either way, :-(

I am not a Christian. I do not believe that Israel itself is God's land.

If it was, you can bet that the Zionists would be stealing his water, burning his olive groves and bulldozing his houses so they could steal it.

Then again, G-d didn't have a building permit, did he?

You're welcome, Amos. I hope that you have a fantastic life.

Same to you, LordMandrake.

Sorry if I get a bit sarcastic and cynical, but it's nothing personal - It's all in jest. Levity.

Thanks for the amicable discourse.

Can you provide a source for the rothschilds owning all the land? Also, the reason they wanted it back was because they had just escaped the holocaust, and during which, many countries refused to take them in (Canada for example had a policy of "none is too many"). Because of this, they wanted a homeland that they could have in case something like this were to happen again. Israel/Palestine was just a good location due to having religious significance.

Rothschild Avenue?

I'm more impressed that's actually a place. Either way, that's not all the land in Israel as was argued.