How the fucking fuck, could someone bear witness to all this malfunction and still keep guns accessible to the boy?
Mother, you didn't walk past me the correct way. You must repeat it until you do it right or I will have a meltdown and ruin everyone's day.
Sure thing son, and here have a gun.
What the hell...
[Disclaimer] I know some of you think the whole Adam lanza thing is a hoax and that's your right to your opinion. I am personally of the opinion that his mother was irresponsible and Adam was mentally I'll, that is my right to my opinion. Please don't beat me up over my opinion.
" Adam had difficulties with coördination and, when he was seventeen, Peter told Nancy that he had had to pause to retie his shoes on a hike. Nancy responded in astonishment, “He tied his own shoes?”
He literally couldn't tie his own fucking shoes until he was seventeen? Yet had nearly perfect aim with a gun? That's interesting.
Um, dude. I was saying it was fascinating in that the article seemed to be trying to make a connection between him being a Paul supporter, not that I personally think there is any connection. There was no ninja edit - I just found the thing about the coordination issues far more interesting.
A ninja edit is when you edit your comment without announcing it.
I thought the same thing about the Ron Paul connection, it seemed out of place. He is crying in the floor of the bathroom because of homework yet has the tenacity to argue economic theory... yet another inconsistency in this article. Not to mention that we all saw the back end of his car from a helicopter on the news and I didn't see a Ron Paul sticker. At most he was a casual Ron Paul fan.
I agree that the Ron Paul thing seems odd placement in an article about mass murder. But I have an autistic child, so I don't think arguing economic theory and crying on the floor is out of place.
Autistics become obsessed with things. Things that might not interest anyone else, can become all they think and talk about. After a while those interests suddenly change to something else entirely. My kid has been on a Nerf gun kick for about a year now. Before that it was candy from foreign countries. Nerf is all he talks about or thinks about. He can tell you literally anything about any nerf gun ever made.
He also has trouble processing changes to his environment and will often break down and cry if he has trouble accepting those changes.
ex. If I don't explain to him beforehand that we are not taking our usual route to the store, he will freak out.
Originally the above message was pointing out that Adam liked Ron Paul, and commented "fascinating!"
Then I replied with everything below the line and the original comment was ninja edited....
Adam was a fan of Ron Paul, and liked to argue economic theory.
Fascinating!
When Adam was thirteen, Peter and Nancy took him to Paul J. Fox, a psychiatrist, who gave a diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome
Probably actually relevant.
showed an interest in joining the military.
And
He played video games!
So which one do we blame the murders on?
My vote is for the tech club... /s
Adam continued to attend Newtown High’s Tech Club meetings. “He fit in there,” Peter said. “They’re all weird and smart.” Adam once held a Tech Club party at home.
Since he didn't host any Ron Paul money bombs at home, he was obviously more interested in killing people because of the tech club meetings...
If Adam didn't exist and they could write the character any way they wanted to, why would they write a bunch of expert psychologist into the story that missed the violent tendencies?
Wouldn't it have been more effective for gun control purposes if the psychologist had recommended that Adam be kept away from weapons because of a risk of violent outbursts and the mother had ignored the doctors?
For that matter why not have the mother and father killed? Even the brother. That way there are no loose ends to add confusion and doubt.
It just seems to me, if the whole story was fabricated to the point where Adam never even existed, a far superior story could have been written.
For that matter why not have the mother and father killed? Even the brother. That way there are no loose ends to add confusion and doubt.
I remember one of the very first news stories specifically mentioned that one of the brothers (there were two shooters initially) had killed the father, Peter Lanza, and the other had killed the mother.
Most of the stories have been scrubbed from the internet, but the ghosts remain.
This narrative was ditched when Ryan Lanza went on facebook to deny his involvement.
So you are correct - the plan was probably for there to be no loose ends, but something went wrong with the plan, and both Ryan and Peter Lanza are alive because of it.
Honestly the overwhelmingness from the work loads he had and the obvious difficulties with the asperger's and whatever else was underlying could have been fixed by BETTER SCHOOL SYSTEMS, and not special schools for the actually retarded but PROGRAMS for those with other mental disabilities who work slower/with a lesser load.
I have Clinical Depression, have for two years, and have struggled with trying to find confidence in a liberal arts college with extremely difficult work loads not meant for someone like me. I CANNOT handle the same work loads as someone who is not mentally ill.
I am just waiting for the rest of the country to see that. So was Adam. I just know it.
Lol quit whining. Do you expect the entire world to make it easier because you can't handle yourself? Your statement is the attitude that is ruining America. No one owes you anything. Lanza is a sick fuck if he did those things. You are just feeling sorry for yourself because something is difficult. Rise to the fucking occasion, the American way.
WHINING? Ignorant jerks like you are the reason the mentally ill don't have support in this damn country. Everyone says, "Get over it, stop being sad."
Our brains don't work that way smart one. Telling a penguin to fly...
Whining won't stop, I'll speak up for my community.
I graduated high school and have lived on my own since 17. I know all about psychology. Shhh just sedate yourself so you will never truly learn how to handle your emotions or responsibilities.
Sandy Hook has conspiracy theory posts here just about every day. This article is relevant to conspiracy on those grounds alone. Even if it is "the official narrative" TON is equally important as the alternate narrative.
Without the official narrative then what do you compare against to find inconsistencies?
This whole article plays on the idea that what happened is what the media told the public, when we know there is more to that. They don't acknowledge the inconsistencies and we already know they exist. This article brings nothing new.
There are a few others I noticed too. Without even looking at other TON articles.
She[Nancy Lanza] played down the significance of Adam’s failure to answer his father’s e-mails: “He stopped emailing me a year ago or so, but I assumed it was because he actually started talking to me more.” However, the state’s attorney’s report suggests that Nancy’s account was misleading: Adam had stopped speaking to his mother and communicated only through e-mail. “It bothers me that she was telling me he doesn’t use e-mail at the same time she was e-mailing him,” Peter told me.
That is an inconsistency that is acknowledged even by the official narrative.
So was the mother irresponsible? Or was she "in on it" whatever it is.
What do you actually know about what happened. Speculating as to the nature of inconsistencies is not the same as knowing what happened. What more do you know?
Who claimed to have proof or know exactly what happened? The only claim the person you responded to made was that this article completely ignored all of the inconsistencies/holes in the official story, of which there are many.
I would also point out that much of the "proof" in support of the official story is laughable at best.
Speculation is easy and meaningless. I'm tired of people acting like because they speculated over an inconsistency, that it's tantamount to proving the other person wrong. It's not.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You realize that the entire foundation of science/philosophy/religion/technology existed as speculation before it was made reality right? Without speculation based on logic, we would have nothing.
What's actually easy and meaningless is swallowing the MSM narrative that's spoon-fed to you without doing any research of your own or seeing for yourself if it makes any sense whatsoever (which in the case of SH, it doesn't at all).
I'm tired of people acting like because they speculated over an inconsistency, that it's tantamount to proving the other person wrong.
Who ever said anything about proving anyone wrong? And who is this "person" being proved wrong? All anyone has said is that this article completely ignores all of the holes in the official story, of which there are many, and which it clearly does. That's it. Stop inventing arguments where none exist.
There are more than enough inconsistencies in the official story to seriously doubt its veracity. I think that's pretty clear to anyone who actually spends an hour or two reading about the "facts" of the case.
I graduated high school and have lived on my own since 17. I know all about psychology. Shhh just sedate yourself so you will never truly learn how to handle your emotions or responsibilities.
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14 Flytape 2014-03-10
That's a fucking heavy read.
How the fucking fuck, could someone bear witness to all this malfunction and still keep guns accessible to the boy?
What the hell...
[Disclaimer] I know some of you think the whole Adam lanza thing is a hoax and that's your right to your opinion. I am personally of the opinion that his mother was irresponsible and Adam was mentally I'll, that is my right to my opinion. Please don't beat me up over my opinion.
-3 DCMurphy 2014-03-10
Quick, this guy has an opinion that isn't that irrational! Get him!
8 Thevents 2014-03-10
" Adam had difficulties with coördination and, when he was seventeen, Peter told Nancy that he had had to pause to retie his shoes on a hike. Nancy responded in astonishment, “He tied his own shoes?”
He literally couldn't tie his own fucking shoes until he was seventeen? Yet had nearly perfect aim with a gun? That's interesting.
1 Flytape 2014-03-10
That was a dirty ninja edit.
2 Thevents 2014-03-10
Um, dude. I was saying it was fascinating in that the article seemed to be trying to make a connection between him being a Paul supporter, not that I personally think there is any connection. There was no ninja edit - I just found the thing about the coordination issues far more interesting.
1 Flytape 2014-03-10
Regardless of your intention.
A ninja edit is when you edit your comment without announcing it.
I thought the same thing about the Ron Paul connection, it seemed out of place. He is crying in the floor of the bathroom because of homework yet has the tenacity to argue economic theory... yet another inconsistency in this article. Not to mention that we all saw the back end of his car from a helicopter on the news and I didn't see a Ron Paul sticker. At most he was a casual Ron Paul fan.
3 Kuleaid 2014-03-10
I agree that the Ron Paul thing seems odd placement in an article about mass murder. But I have an autistic child, so I don't think arguing economic theory and crying on the floor is out of place.
Autistics become obsessed with things. Things that might not interest anyone else, can become all they think and talk about. After a while those interests suddenly change to something else entirely. My kid has been on a Nerf gun kick for about a year now. Before that it was candy from foreign countries. Nerf is all he talks about or thinks about. He can tell you literally anything about any nerf gun ever made.
He also has trouble processing changes to his environment and will often break down and cry if he has trouble accepting those changes.
ex. If I don't explain to him beforehand that we are not taking our usual route to the store, he will freak out.
2 Flytape 2014-03-10
Interesting perspective, thank you.
1 oblivioustoobvious 2014-03-10
I thought it was if you edited before the asterisk shows.
-1 Flytape 2014-03-10
Originally the above message was pointing out that Adam liked Ron Paul, and commented "fascinating!"
Then I replied with everything below the line and the original comment was ninja edited....
Fascinating!
Probably actually relevant.
And
So which one do we blame the murders on?
My vote is for the tech club... /s
Since he didn't host any Ron Paul money bombs at home, he was obviously more interested in killing people because of the tech club meetings...
0 star_particles 2014-03-10
Yeah what is more likely to breed killers. The military or video games. ? Makes me sick how stupid of a person our society has breed
1 [deleted] 2014-03-10
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3 Flytape 2014-03-10
Honestly if my son did a mass murder I wouldn't go on TV.
People would likely do him harm if everyone could recognize him on the streets.
0 [deleted] 2014-03-10
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1 Flytape 2014-03-10
If Adam didn't exist and they could write the character any way they wanted to, why would they write a bunch of expert psychologist into the story that missed the violent tendencies?
Wouldn't it have been more effective for gun control purposes if the psychologist had recommended that Adam be kept away from weapons because of a risk of violent outbursts and the mother had ignored the doctors?
For that matter why not have the mother and father killed? Even the brother. That way there are no loose ends to add confusion and doubt.
It just seems to me, if the whole story was fabricated to the point where Adam never even existed, a far superior story could have been written.
2 Sabremesh 2014-03-10
I remember one of the very first news stories specifically mentioned that one of the brothers (there were two shooters initially) had killed the father, Peter Lanza, and the other had killed the mother.
Most of the stories have been scrubbed from the internet, but the ghosts remain.
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/nancy-lanza-gunmans-mother-was-target-in-connecticut-school-shooting-peter-lanza-is-alive-28339/
This narrative was ditched when Ryan Lanza went on facebook to deny his involvement.
So you are correct - the plan was probably for there to be no loose ends, but something went wrong with the plan, and both Ryan and Peter Lanza are alive because of it.
1 Flytape 2014-03-10
Interesting.
1 8288i 2014-03-10
pause.
1 outliersandodds 2014-03-10
Honestly the overwhelmingness from the work loads he had and the obvious difficulties with the asperger's and whatever else was underlying could have been fixed by BETTER SCHOOL SYSTEMS, and not special schools for the actually retarded but PROGRAMS for those with other mental disabilities who work slower/with a lesser load.
I have Clinical Depression, have for two years, and have struggled with trying to find confidence in a liberal arts college with extremely difficult work loads not meant for someone like me. I CANNOT handle the same work loads as someone who is not mentally ill.
I am just waiting for the rest of the country to see that. So was Adam. I just know it.
1 [deleted] 2014-03-10
Lol quit whining. Do you expect the entire world to make it easier because you can't handle yourself? Your statement is the attitude that is ruining America. No one owes you anything. Lanza is a sick fuck if he did those things. You are just feeling sorry for yourself because something is difficult. Rise to the fucking occasion, the American way.
1 outliersandodds 2014-03-10
WHINING? Ignorant jerks like you are the reason the mentally ill don't have support in this damn country. Everyone says, "Get over it, stop being sad."
Our brains don't work that way smart one. Telling a penguin to fly...
Whining won't stop, I'll speak up for my community.
1 [deleted] 2014-03-10
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1 outliersandodds 2014-03-10
Do you live under a rock? You must have gotten a GED and probably still live with your mom. Pick up a book about psychology. And read it.
And I am quittin liberal arts fuck that place
1 [deleted] 2014-03-10
I graduated high school and have lived on my own since 17. I know all about psychology. Shhh just sedate yourself so you will never truly learn how to handle your emotions or responsibilities.
0 [deleted] 2014-03-10
Quick, somebody find a guy that sorta looks and sounds like him on 9/11.
-7 [deleted] 2014-03-10
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9 Flytape 2014-03-10
Wait just a minute here.
Sandy Hook has conspiracy theory posts here just about every day. This article is relevant to conspiracy on those grounds alone. Even if it is "the official narrative" TON is equally important as the alternate narrative.
Without the official narrative then what do you compare against to find inconsistencies?
-2 DefiantSutekh 2014-03-10
This whole article plays on the idea that what happened is what the media told the public, when we know there is more to that. They don't acknowledge the inconsistencies and we already know they exist. This article brings nothing new.
2 Flytape 2014-03-10
They don't acknowledge the inconsistencies because that's not what this source does.
Anyone here is free to acknowledge the inconsistencies.
-1 DefiantSutekh 2014-03-10
If it doesn't acknowledge the inconsistencies, then what purpose does it serve in this sub?
4 Flytape 2014-03-10
For us to acknowledge the inconsistencies.
Like the fact that Adam couldn't tie his shoes until he was 17 but was somehow able to handle a complex weapon with enough skill to murder 27 people.
Inconsistencies...
2 DefiantSutekh 2014-03-10
Makes sense.
2 Flytape 2014-03-10
There are a few others I noticed too. Without even looking at other TON articles.
That is an inconsistency that is acknowledged even by the official narrative.
So was the mother irresponsible? Or was she "in on it" whatever it is.
-1 [deleted] 2014-03-10
The inconsistency is that Peter Lanza's story doesn't match the truth: that the whole thing didn't even happen.
1 EarnestMalware 2014-03-10
What do you actually know about what happened. Speculating as to the nature of inconsistencies is not the same as knowing what happened. What more do you know?
1 RegarderObservateurs 2014-03-10
Really? This is your arguement? What more do you know?
-1 EarnestMalware 2014-03-10
So you don't actually know what happened, or anything more than publicly available reports. Got it.
1 RegarderObservateurs 2014-03-10
So you don't actually know what happened, or anything more than publicly available reports. Got it.
0 EarnestMalware 2014-03-10
And unlike you, I never once implied that I did.
0 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-03-10
"You can't state definitively exactly what happened, therefore the official story is true."
Is that your point?
Edit: What I know is that the official story is full of holes, lies, and inconsistencies.
0 EarnestMalware 2014-03-10
No. My point is that speculating about holes in the story isn't the same as having proof.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-03-10
Who claimed to have proof or know exactly what happened? The only claim the person you responded to made was that this article completely ignored all of the inconsistencies/holes in the official story, of which there are many.
I would also point out that much of the "proof" in support of the official story is laughable at best.
-1 EarnestMalware 2014-03-10
Speculation is easy and meaningless. I'm tired of people acting like because they speculated over an inconsistency, that it's tantamount to proving the other person wrong. It's not.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-03-10
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You realize that the entire foundation of science/philosophy/religion/technology existed as speculation before it was made reality right? Without speculation based on logic, we would have nothing.
What's actually easy and meaningless is swallowing the MSM narrative that's spoon-fed to you without doing any research of your own or seeing for yourself if it makes any sense whatsoever (which in the case of SH, it doesn't at all).
Who ever said anything about proving anyone wrong? And who is this "person" being proved wrong? All anyone has said is that this article completely ignores all of the holes in the official story, of which there are many, and which it clearly does. That's it. Stop inventing arguments where none exist.
There are more than enough inconsistencies in the official story to seriously doubt its veracity. I think that's pretty clear to anyone who actually spends an hour or two reading about the "facts" of the case.
-7 [deleted] 2014-03-10
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1 HatesRedditors 2014-03-10
I think if they did, they would have put it that way.
3 Flytape 2014-03-10
Honestly if my son did a mass murder I wouldn't go on TV.
People would likely do him harm if everyone could recognize him on the streets.
1 [deleted] 2014-03-10
I graduated high school and have lived on my own since 17. I know all about psychology. Shhh just sedate yourself so you will never truly learn how to handle your emotions or responsibilities.