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he wouldn't jeopardize his friendship with Dennis Rodman tho

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And don't forget: he is a master of disguise.

http://www.myexistenz.com/horror/article47/Grems2.jpg

Someone please make this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja7eQhmyixs

North Korea did test a missle which came close to a Chinese aircraft two days before this incident. Maybe they hit a target this time?

North Korea Missiles Passed Near China Southern Passenger Jet: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303824204579420623335971350?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303824204579420623335971350.html

This would make a good movie plot.

Rodman, played by Rob Schneider

Rob Schneider is, a nuclear deterrence

That's what I was thinking. The question is, will it be stopped, or will the movie be post-bomb scenario?

Interesting, but does North Korea have it's own airliners it could use for the same plan? Why would they go through all of this instead of loading up one of their own planes and executing an attack? Genuine curiosity

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wait what? I thought they had the technology to jam transmissions so why does it matter what airline they're in? They'd provoke more of a defense response flying a jet that has been missing and made world news, than they would flying an aircraft with a low safety rating......

You're theory is like fan fiction

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Why would you need hostages when you plan on using a nuke? You don't use mousetraps the same day as the exterminator comes.

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They were going to shoot down the planes heading to the white house. You really think post 9/11 a nation wouldn't shoot down a plane filled with assumed weapons?

Well it's plausible that they could be keeping all of the passengers alive right now. If the plane is flying towards Seoul, it would obviously trigger at least a depart of some fighter jets to check the plane. If the fighter jets see the plane filled with 250 passengers, they won't just shoot it down.

All the really have to do is get over Seoul, and it's not impossible.

Exactly. 200 something lives or millions. What's it gonna be? Unfortunately, it will be the lesser of two evils.

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That makes sense. I do hope you're wrong though, man

is mostly banned from flying in the EU,

They're allowed into the EU if they use certain, more modern aircraft in their fleet. However I don't think they've come as far as here.

An airplane missing for weeks would probably provoke a defense response, no?

Turns out the two passports were being used by Iranians seeking asylum in Germany... good theory though

To be honest, I think this is too wacky and James Bond even for North Korea. Also North Korea's "allies" (i.e. China) aren't terribly loyal and would definitely know about and blow the whistle on something like this.

Hijack and turning off the transponder is a definite possibility given how quickly it happened and no wreckage has (apparently) been found.

To be honest, I'm starting to think that the authorities know what happened and we're not being told.

Except the two men have been identified as Iranians

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/10/malaysia-airlines-china-probe/6260177/

Commenting to say you called it just in case you're right

Don't count out North Korea.

Nothing as large as a 777 could fly from North to South Korea and not be painted miles before it reaches the border.

Radar...

Sounds like a heck of a book!

Wow...

North Korea has decent-sized nuclear warheads but no reliable intercontinental delivery systems. The solution? steal an airliner, use it to carry warheads.

North Korea has airplanes...

That's as plausible as the plane possibly being hijacked to gain entrance to a secret underground city by the child of said city's previous ruler.

Or the plane landing in an abandoned, very different airport... with no other signs of life anywhere.

I refuse to believe anything else until we find the wreckage.

We? When the wreckage is found it will be "they" who find it. And then everyone will claim it's not the real wreckage.

I can't believe that with all the satellites watching this planet 24/7, that the plane wasn't seen/recorded on one of them

it was the middle of the night over the ocean. thats pretty dark for that kind of sharpness and resolution.

So can't the radar systems see that a plane disappeared? Then they would know when it went down and then check along that planned path? Couldn't they play back the radar tapes? Also wouldn't they have an an exact starting location and approximate distance and angle and hence approximate location of the plane? I don't know shit about this stuff really but it seems strange.

No. Ground radar doesn't cover many areas in the world.

you are confusing with AirFrance 447 Rio-Paris which crashed in the Atlantic in a no-radar zone. This case, there was radar (even overlapping) coverage. It just vanished from the radar. Maybe it disintegrated mid-air, or flew below the radar.

News just came out. Apparently it was on military radar.

Modern radars in commercial airspace really only recording transponders. they get the handshake from the planes not a real blip . Thats what i was told back in the day

Not true. Radar reaches contacts, transmitting or not. Transponders add additional information for traffic management.

As it turns out the Civillian raders see the transponders. The media is reporting it was Military radar that tracked the plan

mudafaken technology

it was the middle of the night over the ocean

'cuz radar and satellite thermal imaging require sunlight to see ?

(i don't think so) ;)

Do you think that every square mile of the planet is continuously watched by high-resolution thermal or visual imaging satellites?

Wouldn't surprise me.

Yes.

well it's not.

Thermal imaging, or any imaging from space is not very high resolution by default, so you would need to be zeroed in on that specific area at the time to get enough detail to be useful. The satellites can do this when asked to, but you can duplicate the effect after the event has already happened.

Do you really think they had the capability to find its location and haven't used that?

I'm pretty sure it was during the day.

you're pretty wrong.

You're right I was wrong, my bad. It lost contact at 2:40am.

It was actually broad daylight.

pretty sure it was 1:30 am local time.

I'm pretty sure the Doc isn't taking time zones into account. :/

easy mistake to make

It doesn't matter how many video cameras you set up. If they're not pointing at something when it happens, you won't have video.

Ummm NO... see they watch for Missile launches and they can see it all at all times.. the sooner they detect it the sooner they can defend against it.. Not going to wait for it to fly in front of a "camera"... Someone tracked it Especially where that plane supposedly went down. try again..

Planes are not missiles.

Planes take one second to explode. Missile have fly time.

They know where they lost tracking of it. Doesn't mean they have video of it. You aren't even trying.

edit: It sounds like you're trying to tell me that ever goddamn square inch of this earth is under video surveillance at all times. Even the open fucking ocean. Seriously dude?

Don't forget those are looking for the thermal bloom of a large missile rather than a plane impacting on the ocean surface.

Planes take one second to explode.

that's an exaggeration. planes take several seconds to explode, and even then there will be a bright trail of debris falling.. someone 20 minutes ahead or behind on the flight path should have seen something.

I'm sticking with theory that the plane was hacked by freescale and stolen.

Yes it was an exaggeration. I'm not claiming that it definitely exploded.

Some other critical failure, in the dark, could have sent it to the ocean without a fiery explosion.

My point was that it is highly unlikely that there was a satellite actively monitoring this plane during its routine flight.

they don't have perfect coverage that is high enough resolution to spot a plane, theres no reason to point a satellite towards open ocean, and even if it was captured someone would have to figure out what plane was the one that crashed from the hundreds flying over that ocean on the day.

they don't have perfect coverage that is high enough resolution to spot a plane, theres no reason to point a satellite towards open ocean<

Um...tracking nuclear subs, warships, fighter squadrons. Lets not forget the area is know for territorial disputes. Plenty of reasons to keep satellites parked overhead. But I agree with other comments when they said if you arent pointing the camera at it you won't see it. I would imagune a thermal image would have been captured if the plane blew up...it was good weather and they would have been above the clouds. I would be supprised if satellites didn't have a broad area thermal sensor to automatically hone in on potential explosions indicating hostilities. At least thats how I would do it.

Thats assuming it exploded though, any number of mechanical or electrical could have gone out and it just hit the ocean at the right angle dove and sank.

Didn't they say it "dissapeared" ?

From a Pilot

I do wonder, if urthecast (in conjunction with NASA) could assist here. They have a live feed on the ISS (International Space Station) and this is soon to go live to the public, however it is currently live to them only while they fine tune the systems as they are going to be broadcasting this live on TV next weekend.

I digress. The ISS circles the earth every 90 minutes, and this camera can scan 90% of the earth in this time. Only parts it can't get are the poles. It is 1M resolution so can zoom in very close to earth, so much that it can see vehicles moving on the streets and pedestrians walking along the pavements.

If they have scanned this area (if they have this switched on), then perhaps this is data which could assist the NTSB and other SAR teams.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-4.html

It may have 1 meter resolution, but the field of view with that level of zoom is fairly small compared to the South China Sea

We live in the fucking future.

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'Technology' can see through measly clouds nowadays. Among other things.

OP, here is a good link to a forum post on the Professional pilots rumour network, discussing the missing plane and their professional opinions:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-68.html

Edit: Everyone should go through all the posts, there is TONS of information from actual pilots that are becoming speculative.

Cool.

Break it down. What's the apparent consensus of the professional pilots?

Over 2000 posts, check the last page here http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-109.html and go back through the pages.

I'm not sure, their pretty clear on how unprofessional the co pilot was

Now this type of behaviour opens a few questions: 1. Smoking in cockpit 2. Not paying any attention to the flying (AP ALLTHEWAY) 3. Perhaps other inappropriate behavior (I hope PAX were not given a spin at the controls)

So you can add one more know fact. The FO was an unreliable pilot. The Captain (previous flight from the story) was a poor leader

Also talking of cover-up

Thats the most important question: What are they covering up and on whose behest?

In addition to cover-up, why are they misleading the entire world. They knew all the time that plane is not anywhere in or near gulf of Thailand / south China Sea. Then why did they mislead?

I certainly think there is some awful media relations work at foot there, but I've managed aviation SAR incidents (post Sep 11) where we could not disclose information from classified military assets that were being factored into our search plan. Some of these assets make the oft mentioned here "primary ATC radar" look like a joke.

We had to be circumspect to avoid a public disclosure rabbit hole... it was also an incident that was subject to a lot of media coverage.

I almost accidentally mentioned one element during a media interview, it would have created a major issue in terms of cross jurisdiction cooperation for the future. It is possible either their own military or foreign military has provided them information on the condition that the source and type of information not be disclosed, hence the skewed search area (from day 2?) with no explanation. The SOP is to say "we've received information from a variety of credible sources that has led us to move our search in this direction".

The standard SAR methodology is to work from your highest probability of detection areas down. It appears they are doing that. This is usually based on imperfect information, e.g. they have a military track but it is partial and may not connect with the ATC track (and therefore identity of a/c). Or they have clues that are credible but wrong, which misdirect resources.

Ironically we were going to be meeting soon with one of the government SAR departments involved in this search, I assume due to this incident those meetings will move out a bit. Of course I'm going to try to get the scoop on what went on (when all this is over), but it will be the very last thing I ask them in the meetings; I'm sure there will be reticence to discuss.

Most of them are just getting more and more speculative and mostly siding with a hijacking theory

This whole thing is starting to stink...

Very few people believed it was a hijacking until the second aircraft hit the World Trade Center.

God forbid another aircraft goes missing in the next few weeks...

In the meantime, while we wait for more information, may I ask my fellow colleges to be extra vigilant with cockpit entry procedures.

Just adding 19 families already reported having the telephone ring and then "hung up" !!

Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Passengers' Mobile Phones Ring But Not Answered

While it is possible due to stress for the families to misinterpret or incorrectly dial the numbers. And again in AirFrance 447 which crashed over the Atlantic, only one family claimed to have dialed through. This case: 19 !

edit: BTW mods, can we have a sticky on this case, instead of having new posts everytime something comes up

Of course...interesting that we go from a century-old airship mystery to an airship mystery that's unfolding right now!

Maybe the breakaway civilization needs fresh genetics? Ha. I'm pretty sure this is a theory that's been worked on before, in connection to UFO abductions and such.

Yeah, one of the ufo abduction memes is that some dying race needs our tasty bodily fluids for their rejuvenation.

But now that you mention it, perhaps it isn't crazy talk to invoke the concept of a breakaway civilization in this context...

The best crackpot theory is that they come to earth to snag an alkaloid that humans produce to get high. They are using us to get stoned.

But seriously, aliens don't exist. Especially the ones visiting earth, fucking with humans. Only other humans fuck with humans.

But seriously, aliens don't exist.

heh

that's cute how you just so blindly state popular face with absolutely no backup. As though you just deserve to be backup up solely based on the fact you're saying it.

Look at you look at you haha

Can they not triangulate on the position of said phones?

This is Lost, not 24. Come on now.

CHLOE, I NEED THE PASSCODES TO DISABLE THE DETONATOR!!!!

"one second jack. I need to patch you through to the detonator disable matrix. patching you through"

IM PATCHED IN CHLOE, THANK YOU!!!!

You forgot at least 3 instances of "DAMNIT Chloe" in that exchange

And "WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!"

Shit. You're right. Its been more than 5 years since I last watched the show.

I still want Kims tittays

Chloe always looked like she was horribly constipated.

I watched that show for all of five minutes, I couldn't imagine looking at that poor woman for several seasons.

If they're actually on, they could track them. Could just be phone systems that ring unresponsively when the phone is off (my mom's phone does that)

Exactly. If there was foul play...the phones would be turned off.

Here's an easy test: Call the phones again. Their batteries should be dead by now, right? So this will be able to tell us if the phones' default is to just give a ringing tone even when disconnected.

This is not always the case. Services such as Google Voice will cause the virtual "phone" to ring and go to voicemail as usual, regardless of whether the physical phone that is linked to the GV number is on or off.

They were not ringing a switchboard service. Though what you say is extremely valid.

Farraday bag that shit post haste.

Exactly. It's an easy test.

That was my thought, or in cases where you have bad/no reception.

My old phone network never worked in about 80% of my house. No calls would go through, no texts, nothing. If you went outside with it or a few spots in the house by some windows it would all the sudden tell you had a text or voicemail. My friends and family would always ask why I never picked up the phone, they said it rang several times and went to voicemail.

My mom's is even worse. If the phone is on and she doesn't answer, it will go to voicemail. If the phone is turned off, it will ring forever. If she's in an area without reception and the phone is on, it will ring for a bit and then quit without voicemail.

My mom's phone is pretty bad too. When it's at the bottom of the ocean it usually rings and then automatically hangs up.

ITT: All our mom's phones suck.

Is this the Obama phone bullshit? The huge buttoned old person cell. That only dials and allows "web browsing" of seven static links to photos of cats?

I wonder if there's any chance to use the 'find my iPhone' feature here...

No. Triangulation implies there are three separate towers that can see the phone. With the case of this plane, there's a GSM uplink that uses satellites to connect the call. i.e. there's one tower, and the satellite has no idea where the connection is coming from in terms of a vector, only that it is.

My favorite theory so far is this: http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/post/79214607814/my-recommendation-to-the-ntsb

All it takes is one tower ping out there to help focus the search efforts. Add in the signal quality, and it's a sure thing.

Seems like they should be able to. Hypothetically, If they posted the numbers online someone should be good enough to locate the phone. Right?

They absolutely can see which towers last pinged the cell phones. This could be as the plane was going down, if the passengers phones were on. Otherwise it would have been just as they were departing.

China.org.cn reported 19 families signed a joint statement saying their family members’ cell phones connected, but the calls hung up. Relatives have asked Malaysia Airlines to reveal any information they might be hiding, seeking an explanation for the eerie phone connections. The relatives have complained that the Malaysia Airlines is not responding as actively as it should. - quote from one of the articles

Over 20 aircrafts and over 40 vassals (10 countrys) joined the search and rescue I don't think any hidden news here.

If phones in the past have done it, we don't really know if that is a oddity. For all we know it is due to the cell provider's technology, which could be more present in that part of the world than others.

The oddity is that some families have claimed the phones didn't just ring. They had been answered and hung up.

is it the phone model or the service that would make a difference here? i live in china and there between me and my gf i think we have cell phones with all the main carriers... also apple, samsung and lenovo phones... i could see if theres a way to get a phone turned off to ring through

also.. chinese carriers have no service in other countries...

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Unless they are being picked up, and then ended, I would say this is just families hearing something questionable, and making more of it than it is.

Same thing happened to me calling my ex girlfriend. "Oh, did she just drop my call?"

Phone's don't always go straight to voicemail when they are turned off.

Ever seen a phone battery last a week?

This means not only are those phones not over the ocean or even in it, but it also means these phones are on land with cell reception. Someone know where these phones are.

It really doesn't mean that at this stage. What this entire thing is hinged on is the families' definition of connected. While roaming cell phones do not act as they would while in their home country. While off the caller will get the ringing sound in most cases.

Connecting a call to a handset that was known to be roaming is a process that takes time, the more time - the more rings and the eventual hangup signal when the home network realises that the roaming network is no longer connected to the phone.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaming

Look at the roaming process part for more detail.

But in the case of Flight 447 Rio-Paris that crashed in the Atlantic, the plane went missing for 3 days (until the first debris were found) and only one person claimed to have been able to call and get a calling signal, possibly explained by the passenger having forgotten their telephone somewhere before the flight.

I'm not dismissing you, but I'm also trying to think of reasonally justifying 19 families having such claim when in a similar accident, only one did; maybe mass-hysteria, numbers (subconsiously) dialed incorrectly, difference in roaming service between Asia and the Atlantic, or the phones are afloat on top of some debris.

Who, in this day and age, actually dials a friend or family member's phone number? I have all of my family and friends programmed into my contact list on my phone.

Old people.

this accident is going to prove 9/11

Is this sarcasm? I really can't tell in this place.

I don't think it is.

Trying to get in the conspitard hall of fame.

person has been saying this in multiple threads, pretty sure its a troll.

this accident is going to prove 9/11

i don't think that is a complete sentence....

prove 9/11... what ?

'Prove 9/11'?

There is no proof needed. 9/11 definitely happened. They even have news crew footage of it and everything. SMH.

This cell phone stuff is dumb as hell.

What they're seeing is either lag time on the VM redirection or the system "hunting" for the phone and getting stuck. Normally it instantly goes to voice mail, but the system isn't perfect since there is some slack given so that we try to get your your call in a low signal situation when your phone might be momentary offline. This slack can either bug out or reset for whatever reason.

Also, it would be extremely easy for the cell phone companies to tell what towers saw the momentary association of the phone to a tower during the periods that the family reports the rings.... They'll find there wasn't any.

The truth is, this plane crashed. For whatever reason, there was a "violent disassembly." This is completely wrong to be leading these families on and wasting their time with this false-hope phone stuff.

Now this is complete bullshit, the call process is highly adept - it only rings once a proper connection is established. If the connection is disrupted you would hear the tone indicating such - such as a reorder tone, or Special Information Tones (SIT).

This is an older flowchart, modern towers are even more proficient:

http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~nd/surprise_96/journal/vol2/pr4/article2.new-8.gif

Stop spewing bullshit about 'bugs' when this is complete dis-info.

No it's not. These were most-likely international calls. The delays on international calls are masked by the familiar ring tones so the caller doesn't hear dead-air and think that the call failed. My use of "bugs" is a laymans term for when the latency you see before the call gets connected lasts longer than usual, which can happen on nearly any call, but it's more noticeable when you have to deal with international anyways.

I used to work for Crown Castle. I've dealt with this before.

Provide Sources

I used to work for Crown Castle. I've dealt with this before.

I worked in the engineering team for a major cell carrier and assisted with deploying the 3g network.

Edit:

Telecoms expert Alan Spencer told [source] that if the phones are really ringing, they can categorically not be under the sea. He added that the phones will only be ringing if they are ‘switched on, not in water, the battery is charged, and [they are] near a mobile cell site.’This means that if the phones are genuinely ringing, the plane needs to have landed on land – not in the sea – and be in a location where there is cell service, rather than landing in the middle of a jungle, for example.

The disinfo campaigns are escalating.

Yes sir, slowly saturating this place.

Watch the top posts. The top comments are now usually someone calling OP crazy with +50 and the second most upvoted has less than 10, and legit comments completely buried.

This happens every time a new theory pops up related to a recent event.

Yeah it used to be only on certain topics (9/11) and front paged items, it's slowly becoming all topics. Where to go now?

We stay. They see us exposing their tactics and adapt, rinse, repeat. This way we can build a mental database of what they do and then link it back to them to show this is a well-known disinfo/derail technique. Most common now is attacking the messenger (source) and "gish gallop". It's funny actually.

The problem I see, is at some point most energy will be consumed battling these trolls instead of collaborating.

I'm hoping the mods will soon take over this duty since they are (or should be) the gatekeepers. Until then, I'm happy to expose these pathetic trolls to make room for constructive discussions.

I agree with you on the cellphone stuff, though I am personally not sure what has happened to the plane.

The ringing people hear when dialing out is generated by the network, not a response from the mobile handset. Ringing only means that the network is trying to connect you, it does not mean the mobile handset is even communicating with the network. These are also international phone systems, with likely international calls going through them, meaning there are likely many different systems the call has to traverse before being connected. This adds lag time which the network fills in with clicks, tones or ringing sounds, and not all systems follow a convention of sending you directly to voicemail if the mobile handset is off.

The ringing people hear when dialing out is generated by the network, not a response from the mobile handset. Ringing only means that the network is trying to connect you, it does not mean the mobile handset is even communicating with the network.

Yes. Here in the UK you'll often hear at least two ringing tones over the earpiece before the target phone even lights up and starts notifying you of an incoming call, and this is easily demonstrable by simply having two phones next to each other.

Even with mobile voicemail set up the phone can still ring normally before diverting, it's not as if the divert is instant every single time.

I know that mentioning numerology/occult stuff is a huge turn off for a lot of people, but I wanted to mention that I just came across this:

Flight number is 370, it disappeared on 3/7 while traveling 3700 kilometers.

this is kind of odd too. the incident occurred 4560 days after sept. 11, 2001.

4560 divides 37⁴ -1, 411 times.

37 again

Im not a number person but cant you find any number you want if you tried?

Yes.

Care to prove it? Your number is 86 - go.

Will you downvote that calculation when I post it too?

Okay... here's a stab at it.

To 86 something means to "be out of something" in slang, and we're quite obviously missing a plane, so it has been "86-ed".

4560 (days after sept. 11, 2001) - wtf, but okay let's go with it!

86 = 8, 6

4560 / 8 = 570

4560 / 6 = 760

86 + 239 (number of passengers) = 325

570 + 760 + 325 = 1655

4560 / 1655 = 2.7522 (approx)

Put that number into mapquest to give a location on the Earth's surface and...

http://www.mapquest.com/?center=2.7552,102.304&amp;zoom=12

The location is near Kuala Lumpar, the capital of.... Malaysia! Quite the co-inky-dink!

The plane is probably parked there or something. /s

Ha! Perhaps I should quite my job and charge people for this sort of nonsense? ;-)

You should start a conspiracy website.

Thank you! I'll have to try and link it with something more exciting though.

Obligatory whoa.

I thought there had to be a fourth 37 somewhere, and I see the altitude listed at last known location as 37000 feet. look bottom left at 1:02

411 connects to 911 connects to 37^{to the fourth} - by the number of days separating them. an odd coincidence for sure.

Brilliant, good to have you around.

Wait, what does the number 1,411 make reference to?

and if you add three and seven together you get the number ten, which is like, a round number in our system of counting numbers.

huh, that's actually interesting

while traveling 3700 kilometers.

Sorry, Nope...

Sorry, but:

The Boeing 777-200ER departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. Saturday in good weather, and it was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700-kilometer) trip.

Not bad... CNN is only off by 633 kilometers or 17% which is actually a good margin of error for CNN, I was expecting them to miss the mark by at least 35%.

Why use info from a source that you don't even trust?

Interesting theory from another pilot

The terror organisations recognise that the sure way to win the current war they're waging against the West is to use the Ronald Reagan ploy of making the war simply too expensive for the other side to wage. If this turns out to be a terroist attack, it's clever, particularly if it can be repeated.

Someone, be it a terrorist who forced his way into the cockpit or a pilot who has been recruited or forced to co-operate with the terrorists, had to have enough knowledge of the 777 to know which nav and comm. functions to disable - and in a very short time - to cause it to disappear (in an electronic sense) in a matter of seconds. After that, it's just a question of getting the aircraft a long way away from the commonsense search area before ditching it or flying it deliberately into the sea to destroy it. (When your foot soldiers are willing to die for the cause, the possibilities that can be employed are endless.)

The effect of two or three similar disappearances will be huge. The incredible expense, both to governments and airlines, in just trying to find the missing hull, will eventually become crippling; the drop off in passengers, as airline travel becomes something less than 100% safe in the public's perception, will hurt the airlines' bottom line; the increased security measures will make airline travel an even more painful experience than it has become since 2001.

All will end up making travel very, very expensive, which means the bad guys will have won, for without easy and cheap air travel, Western society will not be what it has become over the last fifty years.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-78.html

Another pilot

Facts and Conclusions

If you take the point in time where transponders shut off as t=0, or corresponding location as origin point, a few results can be arrived at:

1. Lack of debris on sea surface in the immediate vicinity of origin point lead us to believe that the aircraft did not structurally disintegrate, either due to aerodynamic forces or through explosives .

2. Lack of IR signature confirmation by US SBIRS (Infra red spotting satellite system) also lends credence to the result that the aircraft did not explode in air at origin point.

3. Suicide theory can also be laid to rest because a pilot intent on committing suicide will not linger around in air and in fact will try to head down right away after turning off transponders leading to debris field around origin point.

4. However, since we know as a fact that the aircraft eventually crashed, it leads us to believe that the aircraft was severely impaired at t=0, even if it was structurally intact. Whatever happened around t=0 was catastrophic enough to eventually bring the aircraft down. It not only took out communication ability of the pilots but a lot more than that.

5. A set of pilots finding themselves in a catastrophic situation are highly likely to look for a landing strip ASAP. Given that they have likely lost their navigational ability as well (most likely), at night, they are going to head for nearest land, wherever they might think it is.

6. If we take it as a fact from Malaysian authorities that the aircraft tried to turn around, it could be an indication that the pilots were in trouble and wanted to find land in haste.

7. Malaysian authorities claimed in the beginning (perhaps even now) that they lost radar contact at 2:40AM, more than an hour after t=0, if that is true then they were tracking an aircraft in huge trouble looking to land somewhere or anywhere. But it provides a radius of around one hour flying time from origin point to search for.

8. Regarding US SBIRS lack of IR signature, it could depend on what their system is optimized to detect. A missile launch is sustained bright fire, an aircraft crashing in a fireball is short term quick burning fire. SBIRS probably accurately confirm that the aircraft did not explode in air, however, will it also accurately confirm that it did not burn under jungle canopy for a short time?.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-77.html

Great find, thank you.

Suicide theory can also be laid to rest because a pilot intent on committing suicide will not linger around in air and in fact will try to head down right away after turning off transponders leading to debris field around origin point.

I strongly disagree. If one of the pilots had an insurance policy they hoped to leave to they family then it is in there interests for the aircraft never to be found. Switch off the transponders, drop altitude to avoid radar as best as possible, and head in the direction people aren't likely to look.

Most pilots probably know that air accident investigators are good at their job, and will want to make it as difficult as possible to find any evidence. If it was proved to be a suicide then no insurance payment.

Maybe the plane was the same as the one which hit the Pentagon which is why no one can find it...

That would've been a great episode on Fringe.

They did indeed find it. There are quite a number of pictures of plane parts and eye witness accounts.

Which plane are you talking about?

There are pictures of people scattering parts of planes on the crash site. I have trouble believing this is sufficient evidence of a plane crash when we can see the evidence being tampered with. Also, eye witness accounts aren't the most reliable thing in the world. There are many instances of eyewitness accounts claiming the planes that had hit the towers were spiraling or on fire before they struck.

There are pictures of people scattering parts of planes on the crash site.

Which just happen to look identical to people picking up pieces.

WTC7's collapse is identical to a controlled demolition.

Or do you only see the 'obvious' when it helps to back the Official Conspiracy Theory?

It takes seven hours to slowly weaken the floors, etc in a controlled demolition?

Oh well, you're the demolitions expert - who am I to argue?

seven hours to slowly weaken the floors

Who are you to suggest isolated office fires bring down a building in 6.5 seconds?

Well, being able to count allows me to determine that the building didn't fall in 6.5 seconds.

Now you are arguing with NIST's official version.

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse: Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall). Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall) Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

Whatever. I can't see video here.

being able to count allows me to determine that the building didn't fall in 6.5 seconds.

I can't see video here

Never go full retard.

You don't think I've ever seen it before in the past?

Damn, you're antagonistic.

I can't see video here

Damn, you're lying.

are you serious? You think that shows someone scattering? I will take an eyewitness account over your delusions.

There could have been some kind of viral outbreak on the plane. Maybe the plane is in a cargo hangar someplace. While autherities figure out what to tell the public.

Like this?

I would have to agree with you to a point on this theory... I'm not sure about some outbreak. But I'm thinking that they did land the plane somewhere... However, it would have to be a very large strip of land.

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do you think it landed there? or was heading there and was shot down?

Approximately 4500 feet is all that's needed to land a 777.

Now taking off will take a bit more space.

That is still a lot of space.

This is all a ploy from the Scientology community. The more I read about this, the more it leads back to Tom Cruise. In a time where Top Gun 2 rumors are running rampant, Maverick collaborates with Xenu to shed some much needed light onto his fading career and fictitious religious beliefs.

Or maybe just maybe he had call forwarding on...or left the phone in his hotel room..or the bag got put on a different flight... The plane blew up or crashed. things just don't disappear off radar. people leave their phones all the time.

Yeah but there was reported around 19 families that called the phones and they rang.
With what you said one maybe, two is a long shot, but that many? Extremely unlikely imo, this day in age especially while flying your phone becomes a top priority for things to remember.

reported by who? do you have a list of names? reports get stuff wrong all the time. maybe they are talking to two people in the same family without realizing it. maybe they are counting someone from another source which they don't know is the one they already know about. you can't go by reports this soon because they are still finding stuff out.

Sure no problem: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passengers-mobile-phones-074447403.html#essnauP

you can't go by reports this soon because they are still finding stuff out.

I guess man you could say that for anything. But instead of shooting down all new information or ideas you could discuss it or read into the article before doing so.

reports get stuff wrong all the time

Solid illogical fallacy, lets not believe any of them then.

It is such a small chance that all 19 of those people forgot their phones or left them on call forward, that I would say it's impossible. Especially given the circumstances. How often do you honestly think people leave phones behind for flights? I would wager not every 19 out of 200 something people.

EDIT: giving /u/godiebiel credit for the links. http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2036r3/so_the_missing_malaysian_airlines_mh370_flight_is/cfzfw8j

I don't think the phones are even ringing. It'll be the local network that they're on.

It might just be me, but I find these kinds of comments redundant. Everyone knows those could be logical explanations, it's not like we didn't think of that too. That doesn't make it any less suspicious.

are you kidding? id be surprised if 50% of posters actually though about logical explanations before finding a conveluted way to make america, jews or lizards the cause of bad things

This is /r/conspiracy. Do you go into /r/fantheories and say "you guys are looking way too into this stuff!"

Somebody's gotta look at the wildest possible explanations, there's plenty of other people focusing on the obvious ones.

Well said.

Yes, yes it does make it less suspicious. In fact, it makes it completely unsuspicious.

tracing a cell phone is instantaneous, there is no "countdown" like you see in the movies. this guy probably left it somewhere or something. if the plane landed somewhere you would think a lot more then 4 or so cell phones would be ringing. I have google voice on my cell phone. if you call it and my phone is blown up it will just ring my office phone instead

This guy? Isn't it 19 guys?

I think it has more to do with the phone switch than anything. I've had to call phones before and they all take different times to connect. I think the system is just trying to find the phone and rather have there be silence it just starts ringing then goes to voicemail real quick.

If my phone is off, my carrier dumps the caller to my voice mail without ringing.

Right, I understand that, but sometimes things don't work how they should.

We live in a magical time, even on 9/11 people were able to phone home to report hijacking at 30,000 feet. And no, there isn't any evidence it was from plane phones.

It was possible to do this in 2001 with cell phones. The phones and the network have changed since to use denser cell tower infrastructure that requires less transmit power.

Current phones can't be used to call from 30 k feet, but in 2001 the phones had stronger signal.

That's a new one.. Any proof of this claim?

Current phones can't be used to call from 30 k feet, but in 2001 the phones had stronger signal.

-Cognitive Dissonance

This crash occurred over the ocean where there wouldn't be service. However, his claim about reception is mostly wrong.

What about the possibility of on board wifi? They could use skype or many other Asian social apps

Very few planes have onboard Wifi.

It's very unlikely Malaysian Airlines has this facility.

I read malaysian airlines didn't have on board wifi

Shit. I knew my old Nokia was better.

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Is it possible that maybe the aircraft encountered a time vortex and could show up flying the exact same route and landing at the airport in the future?

...and then it turns out to be a large viral advertisement for Intersteller a movie coming out later this year about wormholes.

I, too, read The Langoliers.

Never heard of it.

Stephen King. Great book, even greater campy movie!

x-post from /r/aviation: http://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/201q79/i_dont_get_it_how_does_a_plane_just_disappear/

Tinfoil hat theory: the govts are conspiring to hide this plane and its passengers (dead or alive) as long as it's needed to distract the populace from the revolutions in Ukraine and Venezuela.

Living in Ukraine: Anything to stop the news thank god.

Has the situation changed? Are Ukrainians talking about the plane?

The situation is largely pretty calm now in L'viv and I've heard third hand that Kiev is pretty calm now but that the barracades were still up. In L'viv I'm seeing them really pimp the martyrs in the center of the square and they seem to just keep looping on the indignation of people dying. One woman whom I spoke with was aware that snipers were shooting both sides but then she just looped on people dying. This is some really big national thing for them and I don't quite get it but then again I don't quite get the gut feeling that so many people had about 3000 people dying on 9/11 to the point of maybe crying months later like they had lost their own family. I just don't have that national big tribal identity thing so it doesn't tug on me the same way. I'm not really convinced that Western Ukrainians will make the right decisions to move themselves forward through this political situation.

You didn't answer the question.

Not that I'm aware. They really are over full on their own issues.

If this were a false flag, I would think the end goal would be to make more countries enforce strict American passport policies.

I still think the stolen passports are irrelevant. Just two random low-end criminals who were tragically in the wrong place at the wrong time... they even booked connecting flights out of China to Amsterdam (thus avoiding Chinese visa checks).

Doesn't sound like suicidal terrorists to me.

I think that they are going to try to make this about enhancing the world wide computer integration with Interpol and other system to stop this from ever ......, so you see people died and they had fake passports so that can't be good.

Then again I'm a programmer who rolls out software so I see how they play every opportunity to role out the next awful centralized computer system. I'm sure that they have other terrible plans as well so don't let me derail your ideas.

It scares the shit out of me when I see people talk about programming computers and they don't know how to spell.

Big deal man. I'm not getting paid for this and you can't be sure if I'm writing from bed before taking my first piss or at the end of the night after some beers. Also you can't be sure if the person is a native English speaker or is currently living in another country and confusing their mind with learning another language. Probably it would be easier for everyone if you just dropped your pet peave. Chillax.

Not fake, stolen.

Don't worry, the people who had the passports were Iranian.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10688861/Mystery-fake-passport-holders-on-flight-MH370-were-Iranian.html

I'm not sure what to make of that at the moment but I really wouldn't put it past people to organise a false flag and blame it on Iran. It makes no sense for Iran to sponsor a terror attack when relations are getting better between them and other countries but again, there is people that would do this.

They were two Iranians that had tickets from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam via Beijing. They bought the stolen passports so they could seek asylum. One was going to Germany eventually and the other to Denmark where they were going to seek asylum to get the fuck out of Iran. This sort of thing happens all the time.

Yeah, I don't see any malice at the moment, it's just the way the media frame the scenario.

Come on now. Nobody with a history of false flags has any sort of axe to grind with Iran. Let's not jump to conclusions.

You're being sarcastic, right ?

Lol. I'm not saying it is at this point but there's definitely an a possibility.

Great post from Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe):

I am not a professional pilot, so I will not be trying to add anything to that side of the thread, although I have read all the comments with interest.

I am a retired police detective inspector, serving in the UK and HKG, leading serious crime squads and intel units, who moved into AVSEC after my police service. I spent several years managing airport security ops for a number of airlines at a couple of 'hot' Asian airports.

Therefore, I will restrict my comments to the case-solving and AVSEC side of these events concerning MH370. First up, common sense and logic invariably worm best when trying to figure out these cases. Somebody, somewhere, knows a lot more than they are letting on for public consumption and I'd wager that various nations and agencies are not sharing what they know with the others involved.

A large object, such as a B777 cannot simply disappear without somebody having some knowledge of its last known whereabouts. Failure to plot it on military radar seems highly unlikely. Failure to share that information seems rather more likely. In a busy shipping area it also seems highly unlikely that somebody wouldn't have seen something.

It seems highly unlikely that it could have evaded detection and landed somewhere after a highjacking. First, it would need a considerable runway to accommodate it and, second, it would have had to overfly a hefty chunk of land and somebody would most likely have seen something.

It seems much more likely, unfortunately, that it has gone down somewhere and the fact that nothing at all of it has been found strongly indicates that the search is not being conducted in the right area.

That brings back round the loop to the failure of parties to share what they know of its whereabouts from various military and government services who track even the smallest of aircraft flying in airspace around their nations' borders.

But there is pretty much no other logical conclusion that they are looking in the wrong places.

Source

I wonder what the deal is with KE672 at the time of MH370 disappearing.

That plane is approaching Kuala Lumpur, turns around, and speeds off at stupendous speeds. It then proceeds to disappear just before MH370. The flight path is strange as well.

Is this some sort of malfunction of the radar system?

Video: http://youtu.be/5JpbZZKqxy0

I would not trust the Flightradar too much. I have seen strange behavior there on air planes during landing at altitude 0 while I visually have seen an airplane on the runway. As far as I have seen, there is a delay between actual position and the showed. This may confuse the display. It is for consumer, not for aviation.

freakin wormholes and shit bro.

NSA engineered this to highlight the benefits from mobile phone tracking.

Not sure what to make of it but I'm eager to find out what becomes of this.

This is not more important than Glen Greenwald's announcement that the NSA is sabotaging online discussion groups.

MH370 is a curious distraction - nothing more.

"Curious distraction?" Aviation disasters don't happen frequently anymore. And to live in such an information intensive age and not have answers -- something governments and media outlets pride themselves on -- is rather frightening. What gall you must have. You don't have to follow this story but at least have a bit of perspective.

a "distraction" until we discover it was a terrorist attack (false flag or not) incriminating either Iran or N.Korea and setting the stage for "War on Terror 2.0"

One man using stolen passport on ill-fated Malaysian jetliner confirmed as a 19yo Iranian

Confirmed by ABC news: https://mobile.twitter.com/abcnews/status/443301561725636610

Image of him at the airport https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BibskYkCMAA4pbB.jpg

Everyone please look at the second link this guy posted.

THE LEGS ARE THE SAME ON BOTH PEOPLE, IT IS PHOTO SHOPPED IMAGES.

I think it was done for reference. There is a blank white line separating the shop job, so i don't think they were trying to cover up the shop job.

just my 2cents as an aircraft maintenance engineer

probable theory for MH370: right wing structural failure?

aircraft course changed from 25° track to 40° track during its last moments on radar and its speed reduced from 474knots to 471knots. (something severely uncontrollable happened in seconds)

case: right wing broken and aircraft spun to its right, giving no time to respond

case ruled out: engine failure gives few minutes to pilots to call for Mayday

Why only the right wing: the right-wingtip damage from 2012 might have weakened the right wing structure at its base where it attaches to the fuselage.. as the wing also hosts an engine, a base structural damage will be catastrophic to the balance of aircraft and might start spinng downwards in no time.

I insist on wing damage due to its right wingtip repair history and its turn rightwards moments before missing.

why will it turn right?: when the right wing is broken it loses lift, now there is more lift on left wing and immediately causes flight to turn/bend towards its right, thats what you may observe in picture

pls discuss..

I like this theory since it matches a lot of reports that we have so far. Only problem about this is given the wing came off mid air at where it's located, the torque exerted onto the fuselage would be tremendous and probably tear a hole in the plane, if not apart. If it did happen then a explosive decompression should follow and we would expect random pieces of items from within the plane (magazines, pillows, airline safety cards) to be scattered from almost 35000 feet. They have been searching for that area for 5 days, it's quite unlikely they would have missed any vital piece of information like that. So I have a feeling MH370 actually flew past that area.

BBC reporting that Chinese officials have released satellite photos of what they claim are large floating objects in the South China Sea - east of last known position. http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b

The news came out more than 24 hours ago and it's already gone through one daylight cycle there, still no confirmation.

CNN: The sun was seen rising from the horizon in the East at 0545 today

Malaysian government: We categorically deny any sightings of the sun in the East. The Malaysian Meteorological Department and Maritime Enforcement Agency did not record any sun rises in the East. But we are open to all possibilities.

I hate to say it, but a phone is probably a lot more likely to survive a plane crash than a human being. If that phone is in a pocket or backpack lined with clothing doubly so. They should just keep calling, Im guessing that either as the batteries die, or the phones get wet, they'll shut off one by one. Also if the phones are on cant they be tracked through GPS?

Also if the phones are on cant they be tracked through GPS?

This is the biggest conspiracy part of it.

I know with android it can locate your phone.

https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager?u=0

The question is if any of the phones, be them android or apple have data network access too

Surely some company phones would have admin access to check?

Potentially attracting downvotes for this, but hear me out:

A few assumptions will be made to facilitate.

1. Plane wasn't flying in inclement weather. Weather is ruled out.

2. If the plane suffered structural failure, it would ultimately end up a. disintegrating, assuming: i. the point at which it suffered this failure was at its last contact point; ii. the last known working altitude was 35,000 feet b. flying towards Beijing and maintaining a holding position, assuming: i. autopilot is engaged upon reaching cruise altitude of FL350, considering flight data is keyed in even before the engines are started and minimal input is required from pilots to maintain flight path towards destination (landing is another concern by itself)

3. The disappearance of the plane was only reported more than an hour into its flight. Upon leaving the range of an active base station a commercial pilot is required to maintain communication over a certain frequency with ATC. The fact that the plane went more than an hour into flight with no communication leads to question.

4. If the plane was hit by a missile or had exploded in air, a. there would be debris; b. there would have been a registered heat signal by military trackers.

5. Explaining the phone calls and connections and yet no sign of telecommunications companies making an effort to track down the estimate locations of these numbers, even if it was just an effort to debunk conspiracy theories like these.

Please correct me if I am wrong, and if anything else has been thoroughly debunked, please add on. Speculation might be futile at this stage, but, well, here we are.

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Holy shit! Nice digging man!

What did they post? It's been deleted!

It was information regarding Freescale.

This gentlemen had done some research into them and found some somewhat fishy stuff.

I'll see if I can find the link it held.

Thanks!

Just because the line rings doesn't mean the phone on the other end is online or connecting. What a joke.

Give those relatives a break, technically you're right but they're clinging onto any tiniest hope they can find. Any mobile phone engineers could explain this behaviour?

They just want to believe so bad. It's sad.

If I remember well also in that Rio-Paris AirFrance flight that crashed someone's cell was connected after the crash.

But while the AirFrance plane crashed in a no-radar area in the middle of the Atlantic, the Malaysian flight simply disappeared, and in an area much smaller than the Atlantic ocean.

Unfortunately it seems more like foul-play.

Whoever it is is doing a good job of getting away with it so far

nobody claimed responsibility.

Whenever you try and pull the wool over someone's eyes you never claim responsibility unless you've got alterior intentions

What would a conspiracy for this even mean? Doesn't this actually do anything or is this just a genuine crazy thing?

If someone important enough to a government was on board that plane, they could make it go missing.

There's maybe a half dozen countries that have the tech to do this and leave everyone alive.

If more than one were working together, it would be even easier.

The first I heard of this story with a plan going completely missing, I thought... "Huh, must've crashed in the water, somewhere."

Then I learned that they can't find a signal or ping from the black box. Then I learned that the phones of these people are still connecting.

I'm changing my thinking to government sponsored hacking. A stealth drone goes up, then relays signals to the planes computer to hijack it and reroute it.

Plane goes effectively missing, and phones stay in tact.

Mystery ex machina.

Iran, Ukraine, China.... throw a Syrian and North Korean in there and we have justification to go anywhere/everywhere we want to be. The "culprits" will, of course, be 'killed' in the last place we 'look'.

A phone company in Singapore that was investigating this number said it was out of credit.

Aliens

Viral marketing for the new Godzilla movie.

I really feel that this is either a stunt to distract the public over what's brewing in Crimea or someone shot it down. It feels like a global soap opera.

Another false flag ritual bullshit, the cabal is involved.

This is a large thread so forgive me if this question has already been answered. Why don't all planes - or at least all planes that fly over large bodies of water - carry tracking devices in case they go missing? Like lojack for cars, but for airplanes.

From the new flight path info, it looks like they may have been heading for the remote islands near Maldives.

From what I gathered, I pieced together these theories.

(1) MH370 did not disintegrate mid air. If the plane disintegrated mid air at 35000ft, it would have caused an explosive decompression and threw large amount of cabin items scattering onto the sea where it's location was last reported. However there's been 5 days of search if there's any debris (magazines, safety cards, pillows) then it's quite likely the search team would have encountered some, but it's yet to be found.

(2) The plane probably glided afar from the location of incident. Following the point above, given that the plane did not disintegrate mid-air, a sudden loss of total communication would indicate something catastrophic happened, or deliberate. Since modern plane runs on multiple systems, losing one system such as hydraulics would not easily compromise other systems such as transponder or ADS-B, which is used by flightradar24 to gather the location details. This would suggest the failure was induced deliberately, such as by tripping a circuit breaking or simply switching off the transponder.

(3) This is likely an intentional act. Due to the lack of debris to be found in the area of incident, the plane is likely to have been intact since it disappeared off radar. Pilots should have access to flight charts showing airspaces and radar information. It would be possible for pilots to deliberately avoid radar detection (either by flying out of range into the sea or flying low, which would not be feasible for commercial jets). It was over the sea when this happened, and it is between airspace handovers, although I could not find any information about airspace boundaries in Malaysia and Vietnam, but it could easily be a blind spot for ATCs.

(4) There's not likely any survivors. There's been suggested the plane could have landed somewhere, but with 200+ passengers onboard if they all landed it would be an operational nightmare to keep them hostage, a logistics horror to keep them fed, and impossible to keep them quiet, especially when everyone is carrying a phone. It could be argued not everyone on earth has GSM coverage, but if they can find an airport that's going to land a fully loaded 777, it's probably not in a village with nobody in. It also does not make sense for anyone to keep 200+ people hostage without coming out with demands.

Gathering the observations I've made so far, my conspiracy would be this being a deliberate act with only people onboard involved. A person on the flight could likely be involved with switching off communication with the outside world, steering the plane out of ATC radar'd airspace, reaching the ocean and very likely plunging the plane 90º vertically into the sea.

If this was done over the sea it would create a small debris zone, and extremely likely the debris would have sank into the sea immediately. The passengers might not even be aware of this happened while the flight was deliberately flown off course until the rapid descent at the end, which would take less than a minute from cruising altitude to reach the surface of the sea, if anyone were to try and get help with a phone, this would be almost impossible even with phone reception.

It's now being reported that the plane had another 7 hours of flight time on it's fuel. Is it possible the plane didn't take a sharp left turn (or did for a little bit) and then headed to Russia to land on a secret airstrip (an Area 51 kind of airstrip) if it's not in water somewhere? Maybe?

239 of 4,400, this is only the beginning.

Ya cuz Chinese get first dibs.

When I think of this flight I can't help but think of the tv series Lost

Some Indian media houses are spreading rumors of a video posted an year ago on Youtuve, stating that is the recent search operation of the missing Malaysian flight .. watch the video here http://bigxoomtv.com/2014-03-fake-video-indian-ocean-search-malaysia-airlines-mh370-indian-ocean-mh370-circulated/

The Australian government says it knows the names of the six citizens believed to be on board and admitted it "fears the worst".

Consular officials are in contact with family members.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said in a statement: "The Australian government fears the worst for those aboard missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Australia’s parliamentary secretary for foreign affairs, Brett Mason, said the families of the missing passengers "must be desperately concerned".

He told reporters: "The thoughts of the Australian government and I'm sure all Australians go out to them at the moment.

"There's a lot of speculation [about what might have occurred] and I don't want to add to that speculation."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3224818#ixzz2vcKnzXFX Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

Update: Military radar trace shows MH370 turn-back, but no distress signal

MH370 could have made a turn-around midway through its flight to Beijing.

there was possible indication that the aircraft did a turn-back (ATB / equipment failure).... "However, there was no such distress signal or call made by the pilot about an ATB. We are equally puzzled by this."

Malaysia Airlines said that the plane took off at 12.41am Malaysian time and that it disappeared from air traffic control radar in Subang at 2.40am.... But Fredrik Lindahl, the chief executive of Flightradar24, an online aircraft tracking service, had said that the last radar contact had been at 1.19am, less than 40 minutes after the flight began.

So from the official version the flight disappeared over the South Sea of China, now they are offering the possibility that this is false, and the plane disappeared exactly over the opposite side of Malaysia, in the Malacca strait

More disinformation ?!

Just how likely is it for the plane to have gone down just when it disappeared from the radar and NO debris be seen? The fact that any debris under the predicted flightpath is yet to be found, means that the plane diverted off-course for a considerable distance?

Fairly likely considering the size of an ocean vs. A plane. Plus it didn't necessarily crash exactly where they lost contact and currents can carry debris.

ITT: People that don't understand international calling.

Terrorism and catastrophic engine failure leave miles of debris & you’d have to gently land on water to disappear & if you can gently land on water you can signal for help. Also why does the blackbox not have a depth sensing escape pod buoy? i could make this kids in shop class can make a depth sensor and escape pod for BlackBox in case of sinking its 2014 why does Boeing have such an inexcusably crappy blackbox? on top of that the TV is streaming terrorism and Iran most Americans don’t even know we made al-Qaida to fight Russia in Afghanistan Ronald Reagan’s Mujahidin most don’t remember the gulf of Tonkin resolution that sent us to Vietnam war over an attack that never happened now they say 2 passports from Iran and hint at Wahhabi al-Qaida being equal to Shia Iran when all Wahhabi hate Shia and all al-Qaida hate Iran for being Shia and not Sunni we also funded Haya Amadau Sanogo Alqaeda leader of the Mali coup we trained him with CIA in USArmy in the USA. We make monsters and break them for the war tax and get shocked and awed into believing we should go die fighting the monsters we make never admitting to the watchers we make the monsters we fight and admiting to the readers we made them schizophrenic external policy. Most are so ignorant to factual on the record American military history it's been made easy to be the bad guy because you think you’re the good guy USArmy 3rd ID 45K

Right now in Hollywood, someone is writing a script for a film about a plane which suddenly disappears, no quite knows why, a bit like Lost...

There was some unusual solar activity around that time:http://s29.postimg.org/bcneb8n2v/Epam_p_24h.gif But the chance that this was the only plane affected is pretty low.

What if this is a false-flag operation by whatever agency(CIA, mossad and the usual guys)?

I think we should take a close look on how the media handles the passport question during the following months or whatever. With all the weird things going on about the stolen passports etc this will give a spark in the campaign of getting biometric(or even worse) passports - which means we will be tracked even more.

I might be wrong but compare to 9/11. Before that it was relatively easy to fly but now it's a pain in the ass(especially in the US with all their TSA and stuff). Even though 9/11 wasn't planned by anyone else than Al-Qaida this might just be the next step in even more "security", control and surveillance.

at 9/11 , they used their own passports. So wrong passports is just a thing. The explanation of illegal immigrants could be sufficient. Remember, they asked for the cheapest routing to Europe when booking - not for a flight with MH. And they had connection flights booked as well.

Actually, here's my conspiracy theory: Ukraine is the centre of attention, then a plane goes missing. While the drums of war are beating in the Ukraine, mysterious reports are showing up at the Malaysian airlines; stolen passports and phantom phone calls. Then the 2 persons with stolen passports are Iranian, and then the CIA is not ruling out terrorism. Finally, without the actual whereabouts of the plane (or even if they did), they say that they have found explosive evidence and blame it on Iran. Then, they will use this as an excuse to invade Iran, hence the nuclear deal is a gone-case and that Iran and Russia were on the list anyways. But starting with Iran is the best choice because Russia will at least retaliate with enough force to do some huge amount of damage.

That YouTube video shows a different aircraft - 9M-MRQ - which shares the same flight number (since it's the same route).

Anybody mention methane bubbles and clouds released from the ocean floor? Was there any siesmic activity? Not only could it jam jet engines, it could cause a plane that successfully landed on water to sink without damage. Far fatched but better that aliens or the a wormhole into another dimension like the series "the event".

Source: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631498889.html

My first thought on Saturday morning and I was in Malaysia , heard the first reports on TV was : there is something ongoing, not intended to go public. They just have a problem now, it cannot be hidden today -they can just create foggy and fuzzy statements.

South of Maldives

UFO abduction? Or a real life Blofeld? I think the latter!

Here is what popped into my well medicated head:

Maybe a government organization had reason to not want the plane to reach China. Maybe there was a Chinese agent on the plane with sensitive stolen information that China wanted. Once they discover that the info or item is in route, only way to stop that is to stop the plane. This wound cause the sort of reaction we are seeing from all parties. Chinese agent does not mean Chinese.

Hey, this is fun. I should wear my tinfoil hat more often.

too much action movies bro.

I'm still new at this. The only correct answer is China or aliens, right?

Well, there were supposedly those superconductor scientist people on there.

Thank you. That is what I was referring to. Also, If the plane was taken out with a missile, there might not be much left to find.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/288998085/ringing-phones-do-not-mean-malaysian-passengers-are-ok

is there a good youtube video to catch me up on this story as well as the wacky unsolved spots?

Maybe their still alive? Phones fill of water and trying to call?

In the first half of your post you mean 'they're', not 'their'.

I have no idea what you you were trying to say in the 2nd half. It's total gibberish.

Busted! God see's all. Nobody can hide from the almighty lord and saviour!

another theory: maybe they convinced the people on board that any cell phone would detonate a bomb, so everyone has given up their phone, and they found a way to knock out the pilots and have taken everyone hostage. But wouldn't the plane emit its own signals, independent of human use? The hijackers would have had to have a lot of training and precision to pull this off. Of course this is the best possible scenario :/

Not a missile, not a missile

My theory - Maybe Russia has something to do with this. You know, trying to divert the media attention from Ukraine while preparing for something big. Also not giving a closure to the mystery just yet, so that the media stays hooked.

My friend received a text message (also a speculation) saying that Russians are doing this. The first reaction was SAY WHAT?!

It was possible to do this in 2001 with cell phones. The phones and the network have changed since to use denser cell tower infrastructure that requires less transmit power.

Current phones can't be used to call from 30 k feet, but in 2001 the phones had stronger signal.

nobody claimed responsibility.

That makes sense. I do hope you're wrong though, man

Also if the phones are on cant they be tracked through GPS?

This is the biggest conspiracy part of it.

wait what? I thought they had the technology to jam transmissions so why does it matter what airline they're in? They'd provoke more of a defense response flying a jet that has been missing and made world news, than they would flying an aircraft with a low safety rating......

You're theory is like fan fiction

It scares the shit out of me when I see people talk about programming computers and they don't know how to spell.

Okay... here's a stab at it.

To 86 something means to "be out of something" in slang, and we're quite obviously missing a plane, so it has been "86-ed".

4560 (days after sept. 11, 2001) - wtf, but okay let's go with it!

86 = 8, 6

4560 / 8 = 570

4560 / 6 = 760

86 + 239 (number of passengers) = 325

570 + 760 + 325 = 1655

4560 / 1655 = 2.7522 (approx)

Put that number into mapquest to give a location on the Earth's surface and...

http://www.mapquest.com/?center=2.7552,102.304&amp;zoom=12

The location is near Kuala Lumpar, the capital of.... Malaysia! Quite the co-inky-dink!

The plane is probably parked there or something. /s

Ha! Perhaps I should quite my job and charge people for this sort of nonsense? ;-)

Big deal man. I'm not getting paid for this and you can't be sure if I'm writing from bed before taking my first piss or at the end of the night after some beers. Also you can't be sure if the person is a native English speaker or is currently living in another country and confusing their mind with learning another language. Probably it would be easier for everyone if you just dropped your pet peave. Chillax.

easy mistake to make

is mostly banned from flying in the EU,

They're allowed into the EU if they use certain, more modern aircraft in their fleet. However I don't think they've come as far as here.

seven hours to slowly weaken the floors

Who are you to suggest isolated office fires bring down a building in 6.5 seconds?

Now you are arguing with NIST's official version.

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse: Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall). Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall) Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

Holy shit! Nice digging man!

I know with android it can locate your phone.

https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager?u=0

The question is if any of the phones, be them android or apple have data network access too

Surely some company phones would have admin access to check?

Viral marketing for the new Godzilla movie.

Is this the Obama phone bullshit? The huge buttoned old person cell. That only dials and allows "web browsing" of seven static links to photos of cats?

The news came out more than 24 hours ago and it's already gone through one daylight cycle there, still no confirmation.

An airplane missing for weeks would probably provoke a defense response, no?