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Got some proof for that claim? From everything I saw of that sub, all names and addresses were carefully redacted.

I agree. I actively monitored that sub and never once saw an address.

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How do you get these webcaches?

On Google, there's a little arrow to the right of many (not all) search results. Click that arrow and then click "view cached copy" for google's cached copy of a page. :)

Granted there's a AAA number there. Other then that I'm not seeing much else.

Ryan Lanza's address is in there. This was only page 1.

The links marked "Paid People-smart search lists Ryan Lanza" and "Lanza Gas bill that was in mailbox" pretty clearly show names and addresses.

I only bumped into it once from /r/all but I did see the information.

Also, other members of the forum shot this theory down. It is likened to a single HOA or Home Builder owning the contact info for several residences. Nothing sinister about it.

But some people didn't accept it.

I'll give it to them. It is a little odd, but not any kind of flag in my opinion.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

4th link.

Every Sandy Hook victim has a charity/foundation. Is that (genuine question, it may be so) typical in other tragedies? Do most families start foundations after?

That's the proof?

The links marked "Paid People-smart search lists Ryan Lanza" and "Lanza Gas bill that was in mailbox" pretty clearly show names and addresses.

so it's the potential for harassment that bothers you? not any actual harassment.

Its against reddits TOS. So yeah.

I see names of suspects and others all the time. why don't we block out Dzhokhar's name? and his family, and everyone else?

it's an unevenly and unfairly applied TOS - IMO designed to censor selectively, and not protect universally.

Names and home addresses are two different things.

yes they are. so what?

Are you being intentionally obtuse regarding the difference between posting someone's name versus posting their home address and date of birth?

do you not know how to turn a name into an address using a search?

If you want to go on someone else's website and locate an address, go do that. You don't have to post it on this website for a discussion of the events that occurred. What's your address? Would you mind posting it here for everyone to see?

why? isn't it on PRISM?

of course I mind, but if there was a reason to discuss where I live - some kind of rumor that I got the house for free, and just moved in, like most of my neighbours. .and then we all sold. yeah I'd be curious. If I had been a witness or participant in a crime, you can bet the media vultures would be here at my door harassing me and putting me on TV whether I liked it or not.

Of course they wont post their address. They're a cretin on a witch hunt.

weren't we discussing people on a plane that disappeared. I saw names on the news, I can't repeat them here? is that harassing the families? what about the reporters that harassed the victims and the kids on the scene that day!! and then paraded them in media for weeks and months.. such exploitation is only one sided?

Names are fine, addresses and further details are not. Why the fuck do you care so much about "exposing" the families of dead children? This isn't a fucking witch hunt. Or wait it is. Ive had enough being civil, sandy hook truthers are as bad as holocaust deniers and are as abhorrent to me as torturers and rapists.

"exposing" the families of dead children?

I am not the one that exposed this. The media did. Overexposed even.

the rest of your JTRIG style shit, is just shit and I don't even read it.

I keep seeing this jtrig. What the fuck does it even mean? Is it the new JIDF? Next you'll call me a shill and Ill have won conspiratard bingo.

what's wrong with your search engine?

I try not to delve too much into the flavour of the month here, I still though you were calling everyone JIDF zionist shills, this JTRIG is too new for me.

where have I done that. accusing me of accusing people of shilling is a ban-able offense here. reported.

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

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LOL. I never accused you of calling me or anyone a shill, but it does happen round this sub on occasion. Dont be butthurt your comment was deleted because it broke reddits TOS. Do that on your own private website if you so desire, but as the mod CORRECTLY deleted it, you can see its not allowed here.

That link will be posted again and then we'll get to see how far bent reddit actually is.

Fine, you do that. I hope someone accuses you of participating in a "false flag", posts all your personal info and ruins your fucking life. Utter cretin.

been there, insults piled on insults noted.

Have you posted their home addresses? Have you seen the home addresses of the victims or their families being posted? If so, please provide links to the specific comments and I'll help you report them.

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That fucking site you posted isnt a news site, its an affront to journalism, hence why they printed that address which you've now repeated. Reporting this.

you want a more reputable source it's news..

I need to pull this to protect the sub as reddit admins have established precedent at this point and this community is important.

I hate having to do this and I am sorry.

Can I not even post the link?

As far as getting banned, no big loss there..reddit is a whore.

if that's what it takes, let's all get banned.

It's not about your account, it's about the subreddit itself.

And as to the link, I don't know. Reddit admins have set a strange precedent here and I need an answer from them before I can answer you.

ok, I'll wait before I post until you get back to me. I understand, and I''d also like to know what the explanation is and why.

Thanks for your understanding.

Something tells me this does not have to do with lawsuits, but rather what type of content the reddit admins want on the site. Hence why I'm pushing for an answer.

No problem. They should just put a waiver and say they aren't responsible for the views and content of users. I'm sure that the poster is the one that would get sued if it could prove damages, and not reddit. If we post copyright material, that's fine too..

The fact that they have to play this game is more revealing to me than anything.

There's no "game" its common human decency for people to live their lives from freedom of oppression, which this sub SHOULD know all about.

who has been oppressed? and who are you to police what we talk about? we have freedom of speech too. we are not inciting hatred.

Sigh. Reddit is not governed by the US constitution. Its a private entity which can set its own rules. Dont come here if you dont like it, no one is forcing you here.
And the people being oppressed are victims families and Lanzas family. You have no right to start a witch hunt by posting information. I'm truly amazed you cant see what you are actually saying. You can be free to oppress people because you feel like it and anyone who tells you otherwise is "the police" or JTRIG (still haven't explained that yet). Why are you allowed to victimize innocent people, whilst also saying your rights are being infringed? Christ I have a complete lack of empathy for people but I at least understand the fuckimg CONCEPT.

You have no right to start a witch hunt by

agreed, the witch hunt goes on regardless of what we post here. if you can tie anyone to witch hunting then go ahead.]

victimize innocent people,

I am asking the same question as you

No you are not. You are not asing the same questions as me. You are part of a witch hunt, which to me is morally repugnant

The fact that they have to play this game is more revealing to me than anything.

Yep.

The fact that they have to play this game is more revealing to me than anything.

We're creating jobs for nerds hired by dirty shitstain human beings!

Hey Ziggy.. sorry. you could have offered to put me on payroll you know.

It's the names, addresses, and date of birth that bother me. Just as I would report someone for going through your trash, scanning your bills, and posting them on reddit, I don't think it's appropriate to be sharing this information with a group of strangers.

If I was a suspect in such a visible and extraordinary case, I think it can be expected.

Just because certain names and associations of interest are discussed publicly, doesn't mean there's a slippery slope that everyone will be doxxing everyone else in no time...

and on that point, we already pay people to do this, but we don't think that the law enforcement is being effective (even with all their invasive spying with no oversight)

in these cases I feel it is important for people to be able to communicate freely and openly. if they are not, then it only goes to further their resolve, as you are seeing. there are more Spartacus' than you think.

If our authorities are behaving criminally (not a stretch) and police are not effective (also not a stretch) do you agree that shutting down and censoring citizen action is appropriate action? do you think it's effective?

If you want to start your own forum where you can post people's personal information for discussion, you are more than free to do so, dealing with all legal ramifications on your own. However, this is Reddit, and it's against the rules.

then the rules should be applied fairly and evenly. not selectively. but as they are, the optics speak for themselves.

So why was the entire subreddit deleted instead of the submission or jus the information?

Look it up, man. The proof is everywhere.

Ssssssh, you're disputing the narrative the were sent here to write!

In all fairness, it's not entirely true that all names and addresses were redacted. I won't link to them directly for obvious reasons, but if you checked the cashed verion that has been posted several times already, a number of the imgur links contain full names, addresses, and other personal information. At least one other was poorly redacted, as the full names are still completely readable.

So the claim that personal information was posted is true and verifiable. Anyone can go see for themselves at that link.

Hey you're shadowbanned, I had to approve your comment.

Who're you talking to?

There's no-one there.

There have been multiple people who were members of the subreddit that have reported personal information was displayed.

Are you at least willing to entertain the thought that the ban was for violating Reddit rules, since there are now multiple confirmations? Can you at minimum admit it is a possibility?

I just got off work; what's our narrative supposed to be? Informing people that subreddits that violate Reddit rules should be banned?

I was unaware limited purpose public figures could be doxxed?

Furthermore, I have yet to see any proof presented as to the claims that sandyhookjustice was not censoring personal info of non-public figures.

Seems a user trolled his way into a private sub, got a briagde to mass report content he didn't like, and is now encouraging that same briagde to manipulative the discussion in this sub. Shame.

Listen; I agree with you...partially. Stay with me. I know you have different beliefs about Reddit's censorship than me but I will try to be as unbiased as possible.

No proof has been presented for either side. If they were posting personal information (addresses, phone numbers, etc.) then it would've been recorded and banned. If they weren't then it would have been allowed to remain. No one in this thread has evidence and neither side should be jumping to conclusions (myself included). I realize the burden of truth is on those making the claims, but because proof is not readily accessible yet doesn't mean it isn't there.

I think it's your job as a moderator at this time to make sure discussion stays intelligent and ensure that people don't attack each other personally.

I look forward to your opinion and hope that this thread doesn't devolve further into ad hominem than it has already. The hostility in here is palpable and I think that most people should just take a chill-pill until the situation is clearer.

No proof has been presented for either side.

This isn't true. If you look at the Google cashe and check some of those ingur links, you will see many full names, full addresses, and other personal information. There are instances where personal info was redacted, but others in which it wasn't. That's just on the one page, too, so there may be other instances on other pages.

Now that proof has been provided can a new thread be made out of that, and can we make it a sticky?

Thank you for posting some form of proof. Perhaps this will provide enough incite as to why it was removed. Full addresses and phone numbers should not be tolerated even if they are "limited purpose public figures" as many people on this subreddit are justifying.

There are instances where personal info was redacted, but others in which it wasn't.

Could that be because some people involved were "involuntary or limited purpose public figures", while others were not?

I think it's your job as a moderator at this time to make sure discussion stays intelligent and ensure that people don't attack each other personally

I agree with you and this is why this post will be removed as a sticky. The post can continue with civil discussion and without personal insults but votes can decide and both sides of the argument are entitled to a voice.

Can everyone please keep it civil.

The hostility in here is palpable and I think that most people should just take a chill-pill until the situation is clearer

I agree, it really sucks that entire subs are dedicated to coming into these comment strings and attacking users to derail conversation. But that is the state reddit is in.

If they were posting personal information (addresses, phone numbers, etc.) then it would've been recorded and banned. If they weren't then it would have been allowed to remain.

This is terrible logic and rests on the proposition that reddit admins don't have an agenda.

I think it's your job as a moderator at this time to make sure discussion stays intelligent and ensure that people don't attack each other personally.

Certainly, that's what I try to do. Likewise, I also have an opinion on the situation as a byproduct of being a regular user so I am trying to do both in different places. Get's a little tough sometimes due to the way in which external groups engage in manipulation on this medium.

Is it terrible logic to assume that the standard for banning subreddits is maintained no matter what subreddit it is or is it terrible logic to look at this situation with a dogmatic bias, like you have? There has been no falsifiable evidence to link Reddit, Inc. to a specific agenda so I am basing my conclusions off of the standard that they have upheld in banning subreddits in the past - a violation of Reddit policy. The burden of proof is on those who accuse Reddit of having an agenda.

I liked your response but I also don't think you realize that both parties are at fault here. Many people are coming from /r/conspiratard and admittedly some of them are probably vote-brigading but so is /r/conspiracy. Both sides are de-railing intellectual conversation. Many from /r/conspiratard are trolling but many people from /r/conspiracy are ignoring all criticism and claiming "shill!"...

Personally, I found this post from /r/conspiratard but I'd like to have intelligent discussion. To say that "external" groups are ruining this thread is a ridiculous generalization as it's overreaction and dogma - from both sides - that is ruining this thread.

You forgot to tell everyone you asked for access to a private subreddit and then did that.

Information about homes was redacted, real names kept out, street names used to show location or describe area. Most of the subreddit was very general conjecture and discussion.

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Please feel free to post screenshots of the threatening PM's you have received (you can redact username's if you wish). This is a tactic used to quiet communities and it is important to highlight the examples.

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So you can't tell us anything?

i guess theyll have to find another tragedy to take advantage of, so they can fill time int he day

Isn't it interesting how tragic loss tends to gather the most conspiracies?

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This makes me think you're not exercising common sense in your 'research' and reasoning.

There was a post there yesterday where a guy was investigating the New Yorker because they but an umlaut over the second ‘o’ in uncoordinated, in an article talking about Sandy Hook. Despite the fact they openly state this is their print style and they do it for any word with two vowels that are next too each other.

So yeah, you’re right.

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I'm entirely with you here. I've noticed the same thing on ATS and a with a few friends who recently got into conspiracy theories and its the same reason I barely even bother to browse this sub / ATS anymore. The best part is, he didn't even answer your very simple one line question. It may be a complicated answer, but he didn't even mention any relevant information. I think the scientific process has been lost from a lot of peoples approach to how they treat information they are presented. A lot of the time photos and videos are provided with zero context, and propagated as factual and undeniable proof of events they are barely related to, its scary what some people will believe. But I remain open minded, and will make my own decision based on what I think of the evidence, not what someone else says.

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Nah I'm still with you! I think the worst part is how easily people will demonize institutions or governments just because they're organisations. They seem to treat them as single entities and not as being made up of other humans, with lives, thoughts, emotions, ambition and most likely, a different perspective than their own. For example somewhere in this thread someone said "how can reddit be so against internet freedom" (because of banning the subreddit) and the assumptions of conspiracy started. Someone has also mentioned it was "likely" the father of the shooter, who owns a big company, put pressure on reddit to remove the sub. No evidence. No clues that point to any wrongdoing, but a dangerously paranoid assumption of there being more than meets the eye. I'm very tempted to start a website or YouTube channel based around dispelling some of these more outlandish theories, or at least collating information, giving people a (mostly) unbiased look at the evidence. I would start with the 'no planes' theory I think. I haven't found one bit of evidence that isn't either the dying words of a 90 year old man or a story about 2 guys seeing a plane disappear one time, and I'm supposed to believe the USA had hologram tech 13 years ago that could pull of 9/11. Now if I see evidence, I'll adjust my outlook, but Ockham's razor suggests maybe we hold off on the assumptions. Heh now I'm ranting!

ridicilous

It's driving me crazy that you're spelling "ridiculous" that way, but I Googled it, and there are enough hits for me to accept it as correct.

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And you are much better at articulating your thoughts than many native English speakers, including me.

I find your reaction to be overly judgemental and dismissive, why do you suppose that is?

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The type of "revolutionary speak" you mention is merely proper english written in a verbose way with no limits to diction or vocabulary. Is it so wrong to write in such a way? Writing is one of the last bastions of proper language, as colloquialisms have all but engulfed modern spoken language. To write in these "grand" ways is merely to write in the "right" way, nothing more.

Your attack of the language is peculiar since the language and style of delivery have no bearing on the merit of the message, yet you use it as an ad hominem to justify your dismissal of the subreddit and its ideas. Tell me, am I justified in saying you're a fucking idiot because you write in such a haughty fashion as to tell others what they can and cannot write and how they can or cannot write it? Because you "seem" to have a superiority complex, is it fair to write you off as a complete loser stuck behind a keyboard, possibly working for someone who is equally spineless?

Or is it unfair to do those things because the way a person speaks isn't a valid point to judge by?

Consider that, and stop downvoting someone for having a serious discussion.

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To me, it didnt look like you pointing out irrational behaviour so much as you taking issue with the kind of language he used. Just my 2 cents.

So what if he wants to use long or dramatic words? At least he's speaking in complete English sentences which is more than can be said for a large percentage of today's Twitter-damaged minds.

Up votes

Did you report any of that?

Please give more details of the emails.

yeah seriously, fuck this guy. Everything was redacted. He had vote brigaders from /r/conspiratard mass report it.

And he had the same vote briagdes get his comment to the top. Will the admins do anything about my report? Find out next week!

Reading this gave me a boner.

It is almost as if, when you show no respect for others (especially the family of dead children) they show no respect for you! COLOR ME SHOCKED!!!

it's good enough to know that they care so much to do this. the truth abhors a vacuum and they can spend infinite energy and won't be able to DDOS their way out of this one. We know what you did.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

4th link.

Not everything was redacted.

Wouldn't just the post be deleted? Why the whole subreddit

Because it was a persistent problem and Reddit has a bad track record of identifying terror suspects and shooters.

I hate how that one incident is used to argue that investigating and discussing anything on your own is stupid, dangerous, and reprehensible. It wasn't the people scrambling to find answers and save lives who were at fault, it was the people who jumped to conclusions and decided to take the law into their own hands.

It wasn't the people scrambling to find answers and save lives who were at fault, it was the people who jumped to conclusions and decided to take the law into their own hands.

And how was this any different? How is posting the personal information of random people who lived nearby "scrambling to find answers" or "saving lives"?

I've never been to that subreddit. But censorship here involves selective enforcement of the rules. The post could simply have been deleted and the user warned like every other time someone breaks that rule.

One of the most powerful reddit mods was caught breaking the rules, running vote brigades, and nothing happened.

There's ample precedent for this decision (just ask /r/pcmasterrace): when doxing becomes a problem in a community, that community is banned (except if it would set off a PC bombshell like srs). If doxing was a problem in this community, you can rest assured that this subreddit would be banned too.

The post could simply have been deleted and the user warned like every other time someone breaks that rule.

The entire subreddit was basically dedicated to sifting through people's personal information (among other things) until they found a "lead." The entire subreddit was the problem, not just a post or two. It was many, many posts. Reddit was the wrong place for a community like that.

You know, that sounds reasonable enough, within the rights of the admins, but forgive me for having a grudge against the admins who allow this constant harassment of /r/conspiracy to continue to escalate with the backing of powerful, rule-breaking mods like BipolarBear

Agreed, the admins really seem to prefer leaving big mods alone until it explodes (e.g., violentacrez and what's probably gonna happen with BipolarBear).

In good faith, I think it's justifiable to an extent: they don't want to set a precedent for stepping in and solving community issues (e.g., what happened with /r/xkcd), they seem to see that as the job of the individual communities. I think they really just don't like stepping in and figure that's the job of the community.

In bad faith, sometimes that logic goes too far, I agree. Sometimes "not stepping in" becomes "don't ban powerful mods even when they break rules" and that's a problem.

Nobody is stopping you from investigating and discussing anything. Go get a 10 dollar a month web host, throw a forum up, share it with your fellow investigators, and do it there. You're not allowed to doxx people on REDDIT. The site you're currently on.

Because you can still easily get links from that sub reddit of peoples home address.

Do you have proof of that?

Proof?

yeah seriously, fuck this guy. Everything was redacted. He had vote >brigadiers from /r/conspiratard mass report it.

I'm with this guy.

Most of the subreddit was very general conjecture and discussion

So why would they ban it then?

I'm so sorry this is happening :(

I'm not sure if I'm able to post, for a bit I was banned/then unbanned/banned.

Thanks /u/axolotl_peyotl. At least Reddit doesn't have a monopoly on the internet (yet? haha) and I can go elsewhere.

This experience has taught me a lot.

You personally posted Adam Lanza's home address (we can see it on the cached version of the subs front page). Does that not explain to you why your sub was banned? You were the only mod, you deserved to be banned for doxxing, your sub went with you.

Adam Lanza's home address is public knowledge. I'm sure his address popped up in r/news after the shooting...

His address, phone number, gas bill, AAA number (of both him and his brother) were all posted. And the mod did nothing to stop it, in FACT, it was the one and only mod of the sub posting those things. The sub didn't have a chance and I don't think it was a very grey area.

He's dead why does it matter

Sigh

You keep changing what matters. Regardless it's against TOS. Just because someone dies doesn't mean you can post personal info on REDDIT. I swear, all you people need to get your own fucking forum. Get a 10 dollar web host, throw a forum up, share it around with all the little investigators here, and then you can't blame reddit anymore. Reddit has TOS, read it, tell me where him being dead changes anything. It sounds like YOU don't think it should matter. And when you make your own forum, that's fine. Right now the Admins control reddit, they control the TOS, and when you break it they ban you. This is not a complicated matter, I don't understand how SO many people are having a hard time getting such a simple matter.

Fyi, Ryan Lanza isn't dead. Yet his personal AAA information was posted right there on the front page by the subreddits only mod. Also, for all we know that's Ryan Lanza's phone number. The paid PeopleSmart search couldn't even differentiate the two people.

Edit: Or some random person's phone number, those searches aren't reliable. That's just one more reason why it's not allowed on Reddit. Innocent people get hurt.

Reddit itself has only a very few rules. No posting personal info is one of them. They intentionally made it very broad because they didn't want people trying to carve out loopholes. Technically you can't even post your own home address.

This was done to stop rampant witch-hunting that got ridiculously bad prior to the personal info ban.

You're shadowbanned but I will approve your posts when I see them. PM me on an alt if I miss one.

quebecmeme2 no user data.

Wow I didn't know shadowban actually means it bans your user profile from public view. Now I need to check a few alts lol.

What has happened here is a disgrace, minds=1 (if tis you), but don't give up. The truth will out eventually, however much the shills and msmtards try to stop it.

You will probably need a new username (or two to be to safe!) - your user page doesn't come up which I guess means you are shadowbanned.

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I guess... nothing? Seeing as that is coming from the municipality directly, not a subreddit dedicated to crafting some theory that the town doesn't exist/the people don't exist/the people are actors/etc etc.

Oh...I see...so it has nothing to do with the sharing of private info...it has to do with not agreeing with the premise. Gotcha.

Methinks you are having trouble grasping the distinction between a municipality putting information online vs. random contributor who is implicitly abiding by the site's ToS.

I'm clear on the distinction...but it doesn't explain your vociferous defense.

The information is easily attainable...so what do you care if it's shared here? Answer...you don't. You dislike the entire conspiracy angle and you wish to discredit and silence it.

That...in a nut-shell...is the definition of censorship.

You're correct that I dislike the conspiracy angle. It's disgusting and ignorant by any measure.

However, I'm not so sure you understand the flaws in the argument you're presenting. Even setting aside the glaring obviousness of breaking Reddit's ToS, you should take a look a closer look at the information detailed on that site and compare it to the information shared in the subreddit. There's a pretty big difference.

The prohibition against personal information is to prevent brigading and other problems for the people named, not because the information is secret.

B-BUT muh privacy!

Please just post proof so we can put this dilemma to rest.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Its insane that you are getting downvoted for providing the evidence people are asking for.

It's almost like a conspiracy.

Dun dun dun!

Well they asked for it. That does not at all mean they want it.

If the info in this comment were on top there would be no controversy and no reasonable arguments that the subs removal was censorship.

It most certainly is censorship, it's just well deserved censorship in accordance with reddit's rules.

I am glad that you felt compelled to put your two cents in. Using your logic editing a newspaper article to comply with privacy laws is a form of censorship and that by extension editors should rightfully be known as censors. You should write a letter to your local paper's censor editor and inform them of their new job title and the fact that they are producing and distributing heavily censored material. I am sure that they would perform a cover up of your exposé by not printing your letter.

You're reading way too much into my post. Or you don't know the meaning of the word censorship. Not sure which. Probably both. A dictionary may help, as would some nice chai tea.

OK then shill provide me PROOF that it is censorship and I will have some nice chai. If not then no chai for me.

Ah you brought out the shill card. Lovely. Not sure who I'm supposed to be shilling for, but great job with that. I suppose that's another word for which you do not know the definition, eh?

So I guess I can spare a moment for a short English lesson.
The word "censorship" means blocking speech that is not favorable to a government, media outlet, or some other group or individual that has the power to censor for one reason or another.
In this case, reddit is a media outlet, much like a TV station or newspaper would be. Reddit finds the articles of speech which provide personal information about other individuals to be harmful and objectionable, so they block it from their media outlet. This act is also knowing as censoring content. You'll find that this is very similar to an FCC censor who will bleep out profanity and cover up nudity on network television, albeit on a much smaller scale.

Enjoy your chai.

Oh your one of those pedantic ones that can't take a joke. OK then you must be correct because you are persistent, right?

No. You are still incorrect in calling the removal of the ravings of a lunatic that was posting personal information censorship. To use the example that you provided an FCC employee that removes or obscures offensive or obscene material is indeed a censor. I would be very surprised to learn that an FCC censor was censoring news items though. Pray tell which branch of the government has an employee at Reddit banning Sandy Hook private subreddits because they are offensive,lewd, harmful, or otherwise unfavorable to Reddit? Link me a source as I am sure it would be a rattling good read.

Removing material harmful to a private individual who is not affiliated with or employed by Reddit or it's parent corporation and it' subsidiaries is not censorship as you have defined it. In removing that sub Reddit is not "blocking speech that is not favorable to a government, media outlet, or some other group or individual that has the power to censor for one reason or another" (your own words) because those individuals who had been 'doxed' do not have the power to censor and the sub was not presenting material unfavorable to Reddit. By your own definition you have proved yourself wrong.

Reddit is an aggregate and only hosts user supplied or user generated material and aside from an administrative blog doesn't itself generate posts or material and is therefore not a news or media outlet. It would make the decision to remove that crazy fucks blather closer to a materials collection policy or editorial selection.

Thank you this has been both instructive and constructive. Regards.....wrinkleneck71

You still don't get what censorship is even after I spelled it out for you. I don't even...

Those were your words, your definition. If you had linked to a Wikipedia article or something as I had prompted you to do you could have read a far more encompassing definition of censorship. The issue is that you have a feeling about what you perceive censorship to be and you want me to share that emotional response. Most of these conspiracies are based on feelings and information is judged by it's ability to reinforce those feelings. You have feelings of inadequacy and of being insignificant--hence your pedantic attitude and blind insistence that you are right and that yours is the only view possible despite evidence to the contrary. You are so emotionally invested in the idea that Reddit is engaging in censorship that you will not even accept your own words, your own definition of censorship. Admitting that you are incorrect will not diminish you as a person but instead aid in your on going development as a human being. You are retarding your own growth; You are literally retarded. I will have that chai now with extra black pepper. I like the zing, don't you?

You continue to read too far into things, and you continue to not understand the simple meaning of words. I'm not emotionally invested at all. I've even said it was well deserved censorship. But it is literally censorship in the pure essence of the word. Reddit doesn't like personal information being posted, so reddit censors posts that contain it and subreddits devoted to it. It's really not that difficult of a concept, how are you having such trouble with it? Did you hit your head? Have you been doing too many drugs?

I have broken it down Barney style for you. You used too broad a brush when characterizing Reddits responsible and reasonable actions as censorship. You did not apply those broad strokes to your own stated definition of censorship though. The individuals who had been doxed did not censor the material harmful to them and that material was not harmful to Reddit. When a city works department removes graffiti from a wall is it censorship of the artist or is it enforcing rules and complying with policy? Now imagine the same artist has tagged your home, business, or personal property. When you remove it are you now a censor and are you amending the free speech of the artist?

Reddit doesn't like personal information being posted, so reddit censors posts that contain it and subreddits devoted to it

So it really is about the feels for you and not about the rules then? As I said you are so emotionally invested in your incorrect interpretation of the situation that you feel so threatened by the idea of being wrong that you are closed to any other view, so much so that you are compelled to engage me time and time again. Perhaps you could start a subreddit devoted to Reddits using the TOS agreement to censor the internet. r/TOS_is_Censorship with you as the lead mod.

Holy shit you STILL don't get it. You could win an award for your thickness. Enforcing rules and censorship are not mutually exclusive. Censorship is not necessarily a nefarious cover-up or attack on those being censored. I'm giving you a simple neutral classification but all you're seeing is the negative connotations that I'm not even implying, no matter how much I explain to you that I'm not implying them. Your complete avoidance of anything even remotely approaching a reading comprehension competency will astound generations to come.

Thank you!

As if the first order of business wouldn't be to delete all offending comments. What exactly do you expect as "proof?"

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ITT: conspiracy theorists demanding solid evidence, perhaps for the first time in their lives.

The sub is gone, and it was private anyway. Is he supposed to pull a URL out of his butt and satisfy you all with a dead link that you couldn't visit even if it worked?

I'm really disappointed in how you handled this.

You were banned from the private sandy hook sub this morning because you were constantly complaining about it to /r/conspiratard.

You got upset because your game was up and went to the admins.

I'm sorry, but you have nothing to be proud of and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I had no idea I was banned from that place. I reported the sub to the admins because it was doxxing people. It was nothing personal.

Curious timing, don't you think?

Not really, since I know what I did and why I did it.

So you're telling me that you getting banned from /r/sandyhookjustice this morning had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you making the decision to report to the admins?

Do you know how silly that sounds?

idk who this dude is but what does him reporting it have anything to do with it getting deleted, when it inevitably would for breaking the rules.

Well, I had no idea I was banned. I had no intention of ever posting in that sub. You do not reason with a cockroach before you step on it. My concern was the doxxing, and I did something about it.

Do you not read your inbox?

You get sent a message when you get banned from a sub.

Accidentally skipped over that one?

You're just digging yourself deeper at this point.

Now this IS interesting, though!

Mindsequaloneyou are an approved submitter expand allcollapse all

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you have been added as an approved submitter to /r/sandyhookjustice: Sandy Hook: What Happened in >Newtown .

I'm not really sure why he approved me. I sure as heck never asked to be part of the sub, but I did submit actual crime scene photos to r/conspiracy with little notice until r/conspiratard got into a lather about it. They can be frisky that way.

So good on you, mindsequalone. If you're gonna let random schmoes get onto your subreddit, talk to them first? Sheesh, his vetting is just as horrid as his investigation.

You are a liar.

mindsequalone is one of the most genuine human beings I've had the pleasure to encounter on what is usually an abysmally vapid website.

You win the reprehensible prize.

I regularly check /r/conspiratard just so I can keep up with the obscene level of filth that cesspool is teeming with.

I saw how you were literally copying and pasting entire comments from the private sub into /r/conspiratard so you all could soundly stroke each other over some misguided sense of "duty."

You were actively asking other /r/conspiratard members for reasons to shut the sub down.

I've never posted to /r/sandyhookjustice, but I absolutely support its existence.

I immediately alerted mindsequalone to your bullshit and looky here, what's this from my inbox!

from Mindsequalone sent 8 hours ago

Thanks! removed. Keeping up with these "trolls" is a full time job! Your help is much appreciated!

I'm done interacting with you.

I regularly check /r/conspiratard[1] just so I can keep up with the obscene level of filth that cesspool is teeming with.

And

It's pretty blatant how obsessed he was over /r/sandyhookjustice. He spent a considerable amount of time copying and pasting entire comments from the private sub to /r/conspiratard in order to mock them.

You say the idea that he spent a lot of time in /r/sandyhookjustice despite being against the sub's general gist as "vile and disgusting" and call him "obsessed" for doing so.

At the same time, you say that you spend a considerable amount of time in r/conspiratard, a sub you presumably do not support. Would you consider yourself obsessed? Perhaps leaning towards vile and/or disgusting? If not, why are your hands clean and his dirty?

I should've clarified: I browse the top few links of /r/conspiratard for about 5 seconds every other day or so. I don't comment there, and I don't make comments about the sub, except on occasions like this.

If you still think this qualifies me as obsessed then by your definition every redditor displays some degree of OCD.

Fair enough. That's not how your initial comment came across. Thanks for the clarification.

THis is funny for so many reasons.

The biggest of all being that Spark wasn't the only person who reported the subreddit, your fixation on him and the timing is just hilarious.

Second, there was doxxing, tons of it, so it really doesn't matter who did what when anyways. Rules were broken, get over it.

looks in unread messages

there doesn't seem to be anything here

It's ironic that you pose as a high minded individual, looking out only for the people who had their address published. However, your comment history is dominated by bile and bias attacks in this sub. Why visit if you're not going to keep an open mind and only contribute by belittling others?

You are absolutely correct that the address should not have been published but banning the sub was a drastic step. I'm assuming you asked OP to delete the offending post first and they failed to co-operate?

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At least that's honest.

well, since you didn't spaz out and accuse me of being a monsanto shill or whatever, i'll give you the gift of perspective.

to an outsiders perspective:

A senseless tragedy occurs, due to a combination of lax gun laws and poor mental healthcare. Its tragic, but statistically inevitable.

Now, here's a group of people who are taking as their starting premise that it couldn't possibly be that simple, it had to be a shadowy nexus between agencies X Y and Z, the actual functions of which they are willfully unaware of, involving the cooperation of tens of thousands of people, for nebulous, unimaginable goals which are presumably of earth-shattering consequence, however whose shadowy lies are easily revealed by google searches.

These people are using willfully/ incompetently misinterpreted data to harass families who have had loved ones taken from them by a senseless act of tragedy, accusing them of being a part of some shadowy movement to steal our purity of essence, because if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to, bend a few facts here and there, cite a few schizophrenics, squint really hard and just basically flout all rationality and logic, you could create an argument that its a conspiracy. And anyone who doesn't believe you is a fucking idiot, and you're all basically harvey dent crossed with jesus

That's pretty fucked up, maybe even revolting.

You should edit out the bits of lax gun laws and poor mental health. These things can happen even when everything goes right.

True that, anders brevik happened in a society which is basically utopia compared to ours. However, you must agree that more guns + less mental health equals a higher chance for this to happen than anywhere else, which seems borne out by evidence.

Sure, however this kid couldn't get guns anyway, he was a child. So the laws are already there for children. Furthermore besides the massacre there was absolutely no reason to believe that this would happen. If it were impossible for the mentally ill to get firearms it's reasonable to assume that this guy (once he turned 18) should have been allowed to purchase guns.

That's the thing though. More legal guns in circulation means more chances for a legal gun to get stolen or misappropriated. If there's one gun in the country in a glass case, we can be pretty sure nobody is going to get their hands on it. If there are millions...

What are you talking about? I thought that strict gun laws protect people. Look at DC or Chicago for example, where guns are banned. They are safe cities, right?

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Did the bans increase or decrease crime in said hellholes?

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Hey, an unattributed graph from think progress! Maybe try a big boy source to back your argument next time.

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

Boom!

no one died at SH

You're a reptoid and I am a jet setting male supermodel.

So you think that 'a nutcase shot up a school' is less plausible than 'the government built a fake village staffed with hundreds of actors to stage a shooting to ineffectually push gun control, and not one person has spilled the beans, but they left tons of evidence literally everywhere including in the movie batman.'

That's because you are schizophrenic.

You are right in much of what you say but I personally don't think you were right to do what you did.

Free speech is in the constitution not to protect speech we agree with but to protect the speech we don't agree with. I subscribe to the school of thought that believes it's fundamentally important in any democracy that all voiced have a right to speak. I don't have to agree with them, listen to them or like them but I must allow them their opinion.

To use a technicality to get rid of speech that many hate, will be popular- but it doesn't mean it's right.

Reddit isn't the United States government so 'freedom of speech' has absolutely zero relevance here. I think you may be confused about how the constitution works.

Additionally, try distributing your literature in McDonald's. When they kick you out, is that also part of a conspiracy?

Delightful commitment to free speech there mr socialist. The irony is strong with you.

The first amendment to the Constitution says 'Congress shall make no law' not 'reddit shall not ban'

To be fair, he wasn't attacking your right to say what you want. He was defending other people getting pissed off at the inflammatory uses of your free speech. Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean anyone has to like it, agree with it, or even accept it as legitimate discourse. If you're going to cry out about the right to freedom of speech, you can't really turn around and say that its unfair and ridiculous that there is backlash to unpopular and inflammatory crap. They have the right to call the sandy hook conspiritards just that as much as they have to spew hate speech and ridiculous accusations at the families of the victims and so forth. I honestly would have no remorse if the family member of a victim physically assaulted (no matter how bad the extend of the injuries may be) a conspiracy theorist who accuses them of being part of some big conspiracy or ploy or whatever they call it. I think it is pathetic, vile, and disgusting that they would approach the family members of the victims. It wouldn't be any different if they did that to 9/11 victim's families.

I don't actually subscribe to the Sandyhook conspiracy. I like ideas and understanding people's perspective. I can do that without having to agree with them.

My problem isn't that people don't like the banned sub. People can downvote and comment to their heart's content, that's reddit. Using a technicality to get the forum banned, is a step beyond free speech. It's an attempt to close it down.

Which pieces of evidence, specifically, convinced you that the official story is true?

what pieces of evidence, specifically, convinced you that it was a shadowy conspiracy?

Did I ever make that claim? I just think the official story is full of hole, anomalies and inconsistencies and so I'm curious which pieces of evidence led you to agree with the official version of events? Since I'm sure, of course, that you wouldn't just take the MSM's word for it.

if you google hard enough, and start with a conclusion instead of a question hard enough, The evidence that you aren't a serial killer is full of inconsistencies. The evidence that we live in a reality governed by physical laws and logic is full of inconsistencies. The evidence that two plus two equals four is full of inconsistencies. At some point, you have to use occam's razor and decide that the CIA didn't implant you with a chip to make you THINK 2+2 = 4

cunt

HAHAHAHAHAHA that is absolutely atrocious logic - is there a name for it?

prove you aren't a moon-beast from the planet sparkplug, you intolerable cheese-siphoning acnemelon

Thanks for the laugh, I needed one this morning.

I just watched this comment get more than 30 upvotes and climb to the #2 comment in less than 10 minutes

That's what happens when reasonable people show up to a thread like this.

Yeah, this guy knows what's up! He's now gonna tell us why, when, and for what the sub got banned for. And he isn't gonna speculate or provide opinion... He's just gonna be right! Cause he's reasonable!

It seems reasonable people would want to see proof to back up this commentators claims, as there are a few users in this sub who were members of that private subreddit who have directly contradicted his claim that personal info was not censored.

Proof was posted like four times in this thread.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Dude, it took me less than 2 minutes to find personal address of people using google's cache. FFS you're retarded. You're the ones not backing up YOUR claims that no rules were broken.

the optics are great. you must be working to expose this via the Streissand effect. brilliant strategy.

The masses' "reasonable" is the wise' rationally-impaired.

People who talk like that are showing signs of serious mental illness or mental instability and should find professional help.

People who talk like this are showing signs of serious mental illness or mental instability and should find professional help

FTFY

Thank you for your enlightened position. I will totally take someone with the handle FUCKASAURUS SEX seriously.

The briagding has been reported to the admins. However, we are viciously criticizing them with this thread and I have no faith that they will do anything.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if conspiratard is sanctioned with silence by the the admins to attack us with vote manipulation as they please.

Yes, because people like me see crap like this on r/all, and instantly log in to rain on your whiny parade. No conspiracy here, just people tired of seeing this paranoid bullshit.

Still think that no one has access your delicious data?

Yeah, totally paranoid bullshit.

I love your account history...

So they block the entire sub because one person makes a stupid post? Why didn't they just delete the post?

Probably because the sub was centered around getting that type of info and Reddit didn't want to be complacent in whatever was going on and took the road that protects their private interest to avoid potential lawsuits.

Taking the devils advocate stance at least. I've never been in the sub, so I can't vouch for the content

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I can see a sub being deleted if the moderators weren't removing the content themselves. The admins aren't interested in moderating subs, so if a sub is violating their policy I imagine they just view it as not being able to trust the moderators/creators and just remove the sub. If the creator was violating reddits policy even more reason for them to remove the sub as it would be clear they can't trust the sub not to break the rules again.

It's a touchy subject that's for sure.

with the size of the site they could easily claim ignorance to whatever happens on it or have something that absolves them of liability I imagine. But I think the moment it's brought to their attention they are obligated to act if it's violating their policy or else they become liable at that point for facilitating or being complacent.

I'm not a lawyer so i have no idea about the legal mumbo jumbo in that could or could not get them in trouble.

They don't want to just protect themselves from being found liable, they want to protect themselves from being implicated.

In any case, there's a wide open internet out there to hold discussions which violate this private website's rules.

I am guessing it's because the plan all along was to get rid of the subreddit and they simply found a reason to do such.

Or they banned the user who was the subreddit's only mod. Without a head, the subreddit can't exist. He should have asked someone else to mod as well.

Ding, ding, ding! A manufactured one at that.

/u/mindsequalone was posting the names and addresses of neighbors

and that justifies deleting the entire sub and not just the information or the user that posted it?

A very convenient overreaction. I wouldn't be surprised it was JTRIG agents posting the info just so they could have an excuse for their other agents (mods/admins) to delete the sub.

Funny how other subs (ones that don't ask uncomfortable questions about the official story) don't get completely deleted when people post personal info. The post gets deleted, the user banned, and it's done.

I wonder when the wider reddit community is going to say 'fuck this' and leave for pastures new. The site is completely corrupt. Then again, the vast majority of users only seem to care about posting about memes, cats, and games.

/u/mindsequalone IS the user that posted it and the only mod, as far as I can tell. You can't just delete someone's account and not their subreddits that they are the only mod for. Who do you make moderator? How would that be objectively* decided? It couldn't be.

Had the user added other mods, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And with the amount of upvotes that this has, I don't think I can subscribe to this sub anymore. It shows how much bullshit is upvoted without any logical reason, and just to further convince themselves that everything's a fucking conspiracy.

*added 'objectively' to emphasize my point that while it could physically be done, there would be no way to determine objectively who the new moderator would be. What if it's a shill? What if it's an asshole? Also, if you allow the only mod to choose, they could choose their alternate account, rendering the deletion useless.

Wow, good point!

edit: I like this sub, but, the reddit conspiracies are kind of distracting at times. However I do remain subscribed because I like all the information I can get. I can sift through all of it and come to what I can think is a logical conclusion. Now that this site has garnered main stream attention it has to be assumed it will be swayed at times especially with so many posts being deleted from the front page.

You do realize you can transfer ownership of subreddits? Why in the hell would you assume something like that?

I think salternate's point was that if there was no other mod, and /u/mindsequalone's account was banned, it would effectively make it an unmodded subreddit. How would he transfer ownserhip? With the account he can't use?

Yes, I realize the admins can do whatever the fuck they want to the content of the site. Why would I assume what?

All that information is public record. You can find it by request at the local city or county courthouse. And most (if not all) states have it available on-line for anyone and everyone to peruse. The backwoods state where I live has a site laid out with pictures of the homes, value, ownership, other properties owned, and other information. In many cases, layouts of the homes are shown.

It's not even a good reason to get yr panties in a wad, and certainly no reason to have the subreddit banned.

Right, that's called 'doxing' and Reddit does in fact have a policy against doing so. Black and white, even if you argue it is unevenly enforced.

So shouldn't the comment (or post) be deleted? Not the whole friggin' subreddit?

I was a subscriber there. This is most uncool.

From what I have seen this is a common occurrence and the sub was banned for repeatedly breaking the rule... Not just a one time incident.

I was there. That didn't happen.

I like this guy. Suck it conspiratards

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I didn't think it lacked empathy. Almost on the contrary.

[–]Mindsequalone 0 points 4 weeks ago* Edit: took a bunch of stuff out about what I will do if the sub gets banned. I basically don't know what will happen. If I get banned, I will find a new way to disseminate information. This way seems open enough to allow dialogue, but benign enough not to scare, hurt or intimidate people too much. I do want to be sensitive to those who were negatively affected by whatever this IS.... They are a huge part of the reason I'm looking for the truth.

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I find the paranoia

Attacking the entire sub. Rule 10, removed and user banned.

Wait, calling the sub paranoid is attacking the sub? The fuck man.

Vacuously calling all users paranoid in an attempt to subvert discussion is exactly the type of attack that will be removed pursuant to the enumerated rules.

The fundamental hypocrisy of /r/conspiracy in my opinion.

I'm confused, as we also prohibit vacuously calling other users shills or trolls. In this way rule 10 is tailored to protect the free flow of ideas on both sides, while abating those here to intentionally distract from pertinent discussion.

I generally don't have a problem with moderation on a subreddit--I'm a moderator of a few subreddits myself. It does strike me as hypocritical when mods of community that is almost always ready to assume any deletion of content is unfair moderation (not saying all are like that, but it's a very common theme here) would so freely ban others for their opinion, even if they are blunt.

You see this a lot in /r/conspiracy offshoots, where they say "This subreddit is about freedom of speech! All shills (as decided by the mods) will be banned." Erm.

I just think there should be an atmosphere where people should be able to criticize certain theories, but part of that is allowing people to criticize the overall culture of a place. shrug

yeah man, fuck those people voicing their opinions!

Sure, issuing blanket ad hominems is an opinion. It is also a vacuous personal attack designed to derail conversation and instances of said behavior will continue to be removed.

Completely unrelated, but have you noticed that vacuous is a reddit-word, just like defenestrated? Although vacuous is probably more widely used, both are rather obscure--and if you ask me, bombastically magniloquent. ;)

Yeah...lose the dictionary son. It is perfectly reasonable to call users paranoid, it is an observation.

No ones going around saying 'Hey you! Yes, you! PARANOID!'

That you need a dictionary to understand what I write is a reflection on you, not me.

Believe what you want, I know a great deal of words but it isn't necessary that I use them in a regular conversation.

You were clearly trying to look all authoritative, it didn't work but you know...

On a different sub.

His comment wad made here, right above where I commented. Are you here from another sub as part of an organized brigade to manipulate discussion on this topic?

Lol. I came here from /r/all

in other words, you COULD BE A SHILL

What is the difference between a shill and a person with a different opinion?

in /r/conspiracy, nothing

I think you know the answer

After trying to ask an honest question around here and getting called a shill, no I don't.

It's anyone who disagrees with the hivemind. They're implying you're getting paid to disagree, which is silly.

Dundundunnnnn

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fuck you idiot

Rule 10, removed.

FWIW, you may not be the hero this subreddit wants, but you're the hero this subreddit needs.

It's my favorite when they guild the troll! Such courage!

Vigilantism

I love this comment so much I will marry it.

You rock. / r / conspiracy should say thank you and go back to watching David Icke.

Let's see the post!!

So your interpretation of someone else's motives is now a reportable offense? LOL

He says there was personal information posted. You said there wasn't. Now you say there was, but that isn't any of his business.

Which is it?

I know for a fact addresses were posted because I saw them and even looked on Zillow to confirm the accusations made(which it did confirm). If this is the reason at least that makes sense. I can't remember 100% about the names but I believe they were also listed.

Learn to read

You didn't claim there was no personal information posted?

Oh, he can read. So wich is it?

LOL

So eloquent. Thanks, that answer says it all.

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I was a member there and never saw anything that wasn't redacted.

I clicked the first thread in his link, it was redacted. i frequented that sub and never saw anything that wasn't redacted So no, not facts

I know it's really tough to read two sentences and interpret them correctly, but come on.

And to address your previous post, i THOUGHT you were being facetious. Judging from your other posts though, english is your second language and what you meant to post vs. what you did post were 2 different things.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Illiterate people is what's wrong with me.

LOL

Are you sure about that, considering your everlasting genius response?

oh and conspiratard/subreddit drama poster alert. I was wondering where the ridiculous posts were coming from LOL. Tagged in RES to save myself future time replying to you

everlasting genius response

irony intended i hope, since that makes no sense

I reported this sub to the admins because u/mindsequalone was posting the names and addresses of neighbors to the Sandy Hook school.

No, not his interpretation, facts.

I clicked the first thread in his link, it was redacted.

i frequented that sub and never saw anything that wasn't redacted

So no, not facts

there are plenty of peoples personal info posted on reddit, it only matters sometimes, and not others. we should at least be consistent

Exactly the amount of "funny" license plates alone is bad.

Why don't you attempt to prove ANY of your claims?

Sounds like some unsubstantiated bullshit. From you.

He posted names and addresses.

You realize that public figures, even if they were thrust into the limelight against their will, cannot be doxxed?

Reddit admins have clarified this time and time again. What you did here seems to be a malicious attempt at manipulating discussion that you didn't like. That's pretty fucked up.

How exactly are they public figures.

They participated in the coverup.

According to attorney Aaron Larson:[2]

A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention.

A person can also become a "limited public figure" by engaging in actions which generate publicity within a narrow area of interest.

Having your child get killed in a mass shooting does not make you a public figure and it certainly isn't justification for what you guys are doing. Harassing the families of dead children so you can fit some insane theory to your political ideology??? That's real fucking nice. I'm all for a good conspiracy but holy shit you guys are way off on this one.

I have a serious question about this. If your child was killed at Sandy Hook, and you were invited to the White House and paraded about to gather support for the administration... And you went along with it... does that make you a public figure? Seriously, I'm asking.

I have a serious question for you. Is posting personal information of public figures allowed on reddit? Seriously, I'm asking.

I'll answer you, it's not. You might get away with saying you know the President lives in the White House. But that's about as far as you can go without being banned.

^{please don't ban me.}

Nobody died from lanza. It has all the signs of a false flag op.

Prove it.

Prove it.

Funny you should say that, because people are trying to do just that. They keep getting banned by reddit admins.

The girl who was claimed to have died is still alive. She even wears the same clothes

Yes and I'm an alien posting this from my computer on Mars.

So anyone who has garnered any sort of public attention can have all their personal information given away? That's nonsensical.

Really, so if I find scarlett johansson's private residence, email address, phone number and so on, I'm totally free on Reddit to post them? Really?

did anyone on that sub harass families? sure censorship is the solution, and not actually needing an actual case of harassment.

and who's protecting us from being harassed by traumatic fake news stories?

JTRIG why don't you DDOS reddit again? worked so well last time. then call us all monsters for investigating crime that goes unpunished.

Posting addresses of people who are claimed to be some kind of fakes, agents or shills invites harassment upon them.

tell it to the NSA. if they get harassed they can use the police and legal system like the rest of us.

First, I don't have to tell it to the NSA, they already know.

Secondly...are you seriously claiming that if Sandy Hook victims addresses and contact info was published, that's just "telling it to the NSA"?

are you saying that you've stopped beating your wife?

Nope, haven't stopped yet in fact.

You may have felt you were protecting Reddit, sir, but you are only harming it. Information wants to be free and your censorship runs counter to that. Also, I don't believe anyone in this sub, let alone the 141 up votes you have at the time of writing, are from r/conspiracy subscribers, but from another source stuffing the ballot, so to say. Democracy is dead and Reddit is proof of it. You are the agent of the destruction of democracy and should be ashamed!

People from /r/conspiratard are being banned from here for the posts they made there. Are you against this "censorship" as well, or are you only against it when you disagree with what they're saying?

You are the agent of the destruction of democracy and should be ashamed!

I don't know why I'm even trying to reason with people like this.

They can vote however they want. I really don't care who they are.

You asked for access to a private sub AND THEN REPORTED IT? IF that is true, you're the worst kind of redditor.

Yeah, fuck whistleblowers.

implying the admins can't view private subs

I did not ask for shit. I found the sub through searching for 'Peter Lanza' reddit, and this sub was near the top of the links. If the sub is private, then there must have been some magic spell put on my account when I created it because I had access. I thought all of reddit had access too. That's why I was concerned.

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I heard there's a whole floor in secret underground government lairs where they just browse reddit. they get there by going into the men's restroom of the old truckstop/Hardee's on I-470 headed East out of Topeka. It's been closed since 9/11, when they suspiciously built a new one on the more heavily-trafficked I-70. They just go in there, browse reddit, and look for conspiracy-based subreddits to report. It's the ultimate way to stir dissent.

'Latter'

the accusations of government cover up so seem to be derived from paranoia

Attacking all of the users of the sub in a vapid manner designed to derail discussion. Removed, rule 10.

My comment or the other user's accusations are considered a rule 10 violation?

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The both of you...Pot meet Kettle.

you're batshit insane.

Rule 10, removed.

Reported.

Rule number 10.

You are just a bright ball of sunshine in a land of the enlightened, now aren't ya?

I don't think so, honestly and no one's ever accused me of it. I have a really hard time figuring out who the subscribers of this sub are. I used to think they were hopped up 19 year olds who could "see what's REALLY happening, man."

Now I think it's just a scary feedback loop. There is literally no controversy here. Yet, all these comments. All this vitriol. Why is it being wasted online? Because it doesn't exist. If we all did half of the things we said we would do online, there'd be people in the streets - but there isn't, cause we don't. You guys just sit here and bark at shadows. Which is fine, but don't pretend like there's any nobility in it.

I think you are scared. I think you know there is something terrible and nasty in the room, but you won't look at it, and you don't want anyone else to look at it because that would give it power. You come here to keep glancing tabs and huffingly bolster your ignorance, and maybe it is working, it is for most of the insipid masses, so congrats. Leave us who care to our studies.

Sure. There's enough in this world to be scared of without going around pretending like there are monsters behind every curtain. This sub, in general, is alarmist and dysfunctionally paranoid. But I won't deny being scared, I will deny using that fear as an excuse to create more problems than I really have.

Ignoring a problem doesn't negate its existence.

We have fundamental differences in world view.

Thank you, I wasn't expecting such an unabashed compliment.

Also.

studies.

Okay.

Ugh, this meme isn't funny anymore.

In title of post

that nobody can talk about

When I search /r/conspiracy for "sandy hook" I got 1120 posts.

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Yet here were are talking about it uncensored.

Censorship means the government won't allow it. Violating reddits TOS and getting banned or deleted is not censorship.

Everyone keeps bringing up the fact that this information is "publicly available". That is irrelevant. The terms of service are about personal information, regardless of whether the information is public or private.

Three different words: personal, public, and private. Personal information is forbidden, regardless of the other two words. I can only explain it to you. I cannot understand it for you.

I can only explain it to you. I cannot understand it for you.

Annnnnddddd im stealing that

stealing

It's not theft - no worries. Concise, yet condescending, language belongs to us all.

Guess what? Not everyone checks the Internet at the exact same time. Censorship, in 2014, entails a LOT more than 'government won't allow it.'

So this thread will be deleted once the lazy government censorship agents get around to it?

6 hours and waiting...

No.. It's a more complex form of censorship. Read the JTRIG slides to get an idea of how nuanced the government's information manipulation strategies are.

But there really is old-fashioned government censorship going on. There's no reasonable explanation why the JTRIG leaks were completely ignored by mainstream media. Someone told them not to run it.

Are you saying private entities have to allow anything?

Go on...

Actually the terms state that things such as a celebrities and senators publicly available is ok. And that posting details of another redditor is not.

So with all the publicity these families have gotten in away they are celebrities.

Censorship DOESN'T just mean the government is removing something. it is the leading body of something removing something. has fucking NOTHING to do with government.

Then let me modify my statement. You don't have a right to post whatever you want on reddit.

If you want to call that censorship, fine, but it's not protected free speech.

Actually, whether or not it is protected free speech is up for debate, and is being debated. To just point out "Well they are a company so HAHA fuck you!" Is an absolute fallacy of logic. It is unacceptable for ANYONE to censor ANYTHING. Period. Its the same kind of shit that JTRIG does.

If YOU owned the site and it was taken down by a governing body then yes it's censorship. However, if someone else owns the site, makes rules, and deletes something based on those rules, well thats just them doing exactly what the terms of service said they'd do. It's not censorship and its not a violatuion of your rights considering they have no obligation to even provide the platform for you to express yourself.

Can I show up in your front yard holding up signs supporting obamacare and gun control?

Yup.

The user who ran it was posting massive amounts of personal information, which is a bannable offense reddit-wide.

Has that user been doing that from the beginning or just all of the sudden? If it's the latter, that seems like a funny coincidence.

how is it a "funny coincidence" that he was banned right after breaking reddit's rules? i believe that's the exact opposite of a "coincidence".

An account can easily be hacked...c'mon.

right, that's clearly the most plausible story here

So, in your opinion, the most likely story is all we should consider?

You realize that public figures (even "limited purpose public figures") cannot be doxxed? Reddit admins have said so regarding this very incident time and time again

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Reddit is a private company thus those definitions do not apply. ANY form of personally identifiable information is forbidden. Reddit had problems with people posting personal information

If Reddit has a problem with personal information being posted, why have the mods of /r/conspiritard not been banned for repeatedly doxxing and posting personal information including death threats to Reddit users?

http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/1vilhc/collection_of_incidents_where_the_nolibs_crew/

I want you to answer that question since you agree that the posting of personal information is a banning offence. If someone gets banned immediately for posting personal information like being discussed now, why do repeat offenders who also send death threats not get banned?

Edit: No answer yet, what a surprise.

How can "innocent" people be harassed when they are anything but innocent? They loved the publicity when it suited their purpose of committing charity fraud, but dont like the publicity when they get called out for it?

They certainly do apply, insofar as if reddit inc wants to hide behind the veil of legal culpability with regards manipulating the organic curation of content then they must do so legitimately.

They could theoretically censor and remove every story that Alexis, Erik and Steve didn't like (and openly say so); but that 230 million in valuation wouldn't last very long, would it?

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Not to mention the fact that /r/sandyhookjustice was a private subreddit.

I created a fake private subreddit just to troll 'tard called "conspiratard task force 5000". There was NOTHING in it. My trolling worked too well, my 4 year old account with a ton of comment/thread karma was deleted with no explanation

Oh c'mon, the valuation comes from the (false) perception that content flows freely here; to quote Yishan directly, "Any manipulation of the organic curation of content poses a direct threat to the viability of the jobs of the admins."

Sure this instance of manipulation may not reverberate in the larger metasphere, but repeat this type of shit ad nausem and reddit v2 is waiting right around the corner.

Reddit inc has blood on their hands in the social media marketing world, and I'll be damned if the stains don't stay visible

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Did you just tell me to give up on the free flow of information as a maxim because it's 2014? That's disgusting.

The admins have been very good at subtly intervening with the organic flow of information when no clearly spelled out rules are broken. IMO, this is why they run PR firms and are known for the "antique jetpack line of business" in the industry.

FTFY

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I can, actually.

I wrote it up in some detail because I was really troubled by the case:

It's here

Wouldn't you rather talk about how the admins have engaged with the worst elements of the metasphere to take out "problem communities"?

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Well forcing VA to delete his account by unleashing the SA circle jerk militias on him (starting with their creation of /r/preteengirls 18 days before the project panda raids started) was pretty fucked.

Or burning PIMA once he found out who was living and working near Alexis.

But yea, we can keep thinking shadowbans are the weapon in question here, sure.

Reddit admins actually clarified their position on that label in this post: http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1wntyi/warning_seems_the_admins_are_banning_anyone/cf3scuh?context=3

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It wasn't the families that sparked this theory IIRC, it was just the homes in SH and Newtown in general from a public website listing home values. It began by looking at Nancys home and finding that, and traveled from there. I don't remember any full addresses being posted, just Street names.

Wrong.

Notice cupcake's little cavet there

discussing distant relatives

Aimed directly at precluding limited purpose public figures from her statement?

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didn't put themselves into the spotlight?

You must not be familiar with how someone becomes a limited purpose public figure, often times they are thrust into the limelight against their own will.

As to the distant relatives aspect, you missed the point by a mile. Cupcake made it clear that distant relatives were the only one's who could fall under the category of "private indvidual", therein precluding her statement from applying to any of the Sandy Hook families.

I like how shills are allowed to claim their niece/nephew was killed at sandy hook, but you arent allowed to verify it.

Prove it.

Do you have any evidence to back up what you're saying? I know early on people were getting in trouble for this and I believe the user who ran it was very careful not to do this as he knew it was an offense.

Maybe the fact the sub was banned is evidence enough? Since when did people on this sub start giving a fuck about evidence?

Since when did people on this sub start giving a fuck about evidence?

Only when it supports their worldview.

KNOWN. TRUTHS.

FEMA deputy director Richard Serino was at the finish line of the Boston Marathon 15 minutes before the bombs went off, and immediately after. You should downvote my comment instead of investigating for yourself, because Richard Serino might upset your world view. Remember kids, downvotes are upvotes!

http://reddit.com/search?q=Richard+Serino

Right, FEMA sent their deputy director and that has something to do with it being a false flag attack. And you've figured it all out. Please.

Maybe the fact the sub was banned is evidence enough?

If that's evidence enough for you then that's on you. I disagree though.

Since when did people on this sub start giving a fuck about evidence?

Well which one is it? Do you value hard evidence or are you content to decide based on peripheral details? You can't have both.

First one, I was pointing out the fact the reddit admins banned the sub, that's usually good enough since they don't go around banning subs unless they have too. Second one, I was questioning this sub who normally only require a youtube video or an article from "asheepnomore" or some bullshit. Learn to read.

Iirc, it was a noticeable lack of evidence that made skeptics think sandy hook was a hoax. Some people just arent satisfied with Anderson Cooper green screen funeral appearance

What now?

Get a new talking point.

Maybe you should. This Sandy Hook bullshit has been going on too long. It's disgusting and pathetic. You're taking peoples lives in vane to make yourselves feel special and better than everyone else.

Theres a reason Sandy Hook won't go away. The public is aware that something isnt right, and they are talking about it. If you want to believe the official story, you can just veg out in front of the TV. the internet works well for people who appreciate many points of view, as opposed to the canned talking points of corporate agenda driven media.

This is completely moronic. What do I have to gain by thinking it was a hoax and/or psy-op? Why would that make me "feel special and better than everyone else"? Think about what you're saying and you'll realize it makes no logical sense at all.

What evidence is there that the official story is true? What, specifically, convinced you?

lies

Excellent retort. So full of shocking evidence

All personal information was censored.

All personal information was censored.

No it was fucking not.

See my response to /u/moparornocar below. Lose the hostility.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

4th link.

It actually wasn't.

Learn to read.

I highly doubt that.

I would be perfectly happy to prove it to you, unfortunately the entire subreddit has been wiped from the Internet with no reason provided.

I highly doubt that.

If you were honest, you would admit your "doubt" is from a position of complete ignorance. You weren't subscribed to that subreddit, and you are arguing with some people who were. Your opinion is of, literally, no value.

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I can't see one example of what you're talking about. You guys keep linking to the exact same thing and then not responding when people ask for more.

Did you even look at the links on that page? Gas bills, birthdates, addresses, a AAA card, dates that families of victims moved into their homes. Sure as fuck seems like personal information to me.

I can't see anything personal there, please point me in the right direction if you can't provide a link.

Look at the fifth post... It has Adam Lanza's home address and ALL his personal information.

That's Adam Lanza's address which is already publicly known as he was the gunman, it wasn't sharing any personal information apart from that of the already convicted mass-murderer. All it shows is that he chose the alias 'Ryan Lanza'. Where's the personal info?

First you say you can't see any personal info... Then I show you. Then you say it's ok because he's a public figure. Let me help you out here so you can figure this out.

Read Reddit's TOS on posting personal information.

I linked to you right there so there's no hard work on your part. Now tell me where it says you can post personal information on public figures on THIS, a private owned website. Because as I read it, you can't post ANY personal information.

Addendum: If you're more confused, read the rules of reddit.

My point is that it wasn't information on random/related people like some were suggesting in this thread, not once was it mentioned by you guys that it was Adam Lanza's information, and furthermore this information is readily available and has been repeatedly shared through media. This guy pointed out that if you searched Adam Lanza, Ryan Lanza came up as an alias. There was no new, incriminating or private information shared here. An article with Adam Lanza's information would not be deleted off of the main subreddits, and has been included in many news articles that have made the frontpage, because it is a unique news story of a particular magnitude. That subreddit was private, consisting of 90 members, and the 'personal' information was widespread and would not lead to a 'witchunt' because Adam Lanza was already a public figure. Would Saddam Hussein's, Osama Bin Laden, or other terrorists information not be allowed to be posted anywhere on reddit? That is simply not that case, in journalism or on reddit.

And my point is it doesn't matter. He PAID a service to get all of Adam Lanza's personal information and then without his consent (obviously) posted it on reddit which is firmly against the TOS. Reddit is not journalism. Reddit is a private company with TOS YOU agreed to when you signed up... Paying a service for Adam Lanza's phone number and address and then posting it is against that TOS. Adam Lanza's personal phone number, by the way, not saying anything journalist posted. Google it yourself, all you'll find is it posted on a couple internet sleuth shit blogs. God forbid whoever gets that number next.

Again, we'll ignore the AAA card pictures of both the Lanza boys, we'll ignore the private gas bill he posted, we'll ignore all that. All of which are against the TOS of this site. Because just posting the paid PeopleSmart picture was enough to get him banned.

I don't think Adam Lanza's information counts as personal at this point considering all of it is widely available.

Judging from your comment history we aren't going to agree dude, I respect your point and I appreciate the way in which you have conveyed it, but yeah it's probably best we just leave it.

y You can believe what you want. I just wouldn't go around posting peoples addresses, gas bills, and AAA cards unless you wanna get banned. Regardless of if you consider them a public figure or not. Just my suggestion, and as we've seen, the admins agree with that and it's their website.

I really wish you would just tell me where in the reddit TOS/rules it makes an exception for famous people. Then I would agree with you, but you haven't really argued about the TOS. Only that YOU think it should be allowed.

In my opinion the TOS/rules on private information is ambiguous and isn't a universal application. I can post the address of the whitehouse here, or the location of Osama Bin Laden's last hide out, or a number of other things that could be considered personal information. The rules are ambiguous and apply to appropriate circumstances. Either way, let's say you're right, why does that justify the deletion of a whole subreddit? Are you saying if I post personal information on any subreddit it should just be entirely deleted?

If you're the only mod of a subreddit, posting 80% of the content in the subreddit, and you get banned. The subreddit can't exist without a mod. It goes too. Also, there were MULTIPLE doxxing accounts on the subreddit with the mod not doing anything about it (he was posting it in fact!). Subs have been banned for less, but this doesn't really seem very grey to me.

OK dude, I'd love to continue but it's late and I don't think we are going to see eye to eye. Good debate though man.

Mate you just massively changed your post. Like I said, I see your point, but we very much disagree, I'd like to remind you we're talking about the information of a terrorist who killed a bunch of children here though. Once again, this isn't private/personal information of random/loosely related people, it's information that has had plenty of coverage. Sharing information of a confirmed mass murderer and terrorist is simply not grounds to delete a whole subreddit, and if that were the case, the majority of the main subreddits wouldn't be here.

His phone number (which can belong to someone else now), gas bill, and AAA information are not public information. Especially when its the sole mod of the subreddit who's posting it all. It's a mods job to STOP people from posting personal info, not post it. And you're literally making things up. His phone number, which was in that search, was NEVER released by anybody bot internet sleuth spamblogs. Google it yourself. Find one journalist with integrity that posted all his info. You won't find it. I'll link you to reddits TOS here.

http://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement#section_reddit_rules

Now tell me where it says there's some kind of exception that would fit this case.

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Ahh nice, resorting to attacking my character and strawman arguments, nice bit of rhetoric you get there. I've looked through, and there's no personal information there, so yeah, you're wrong. PM the link or whatever then if you're worried about being banned. It's embarrassing btw, arguing like a child.

Perhaps you could identify a specific instance of "personal information abuse" which you find particularly abhorrent, and then we can discuss it?

It is from ignorance, there's no evidence to either side now. However there have been multiple times where personal info was not redacted, and has caused problems. Especially with people trolling others in conspiracy subs, I still highly doubt every piece or personal info in that sub was censored/redacted.

Without evidence your doubt means nothing to anyone.

Exactly, without evidence no story means anything.

It goes both ways.

The doubt is my opinion though.

It goes both ways.

No it doesn't. You made an assumptive statement that you can't back up.

Oh the irony.

Another Ukraine bot. Keep up the good work.

Thanks man! :D

So you're saying my statement needs evidence to back it up, but the one I doubt does not need evidence to back it up?

and since when do I need anything to back up my opinion?

You said:

I highly doubt that (personal info. was censored).

You made a claim you can't prove. Everything else is just a temper tantrum.

Just ignore him. He spends his time playing semantics and poking holes in people's posts like this. He's not worth your effort.

He said something based on nothing so there is no need to even address what he said.

Not really honestly, but claim what you want about me. Not gonna stop my from sharing my thoughts.

You could just give us the evidence that shows why you think what you said is true, that would be really easy and would prove you are not just here to stir shit.

I already posted above that the user who ran the sub was well aware that posting public information would get him banned, so unless you can show me the personal info which you are referring to I have no reason to believe that was the issue.

Not everything said in this sub needs evidence, half the shit said here is without anything behind it. We are all here to share our thoughts/ideas/opinions. But the only time mine is called out is when it goes against some conspiracy. When all I've stuck to is saying, there isn't evidence to prove either side, but that I will still hold an opinion that I doubt it. I've never said I had evidence to back it up, next time my thoughts disagree I'll try and keep them to myself.

It's just that the whole issue of posting personal information in regards to Sandy Hook has been a big thing around this sub and I'm almost certain that the user running that subreddit was well aware that they'd be banned for posting information.

So, when you so confidently suggest that they were posting personal info it's not surprising that people ask you why you think that. There's another user claiming he SAW the personal info on a cached site, and so far he's linked one URL that showed no personal information. This is why I'm skeptical that personal information is the issue here and would prefer to see it myself before taking anyone's word.

Just ignore him.

?

Lol, I know I know, I can't take my own advice. It's too hard to resist when he responds to you directly!!

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Now find the personal information that WASN'T censored (that is the claim by another user).

The PeopleSmart post has a birthdate, phone number and address.

That information is public record.

It doesn't matter if it is public record. You asked for an example of information that wasn't censored and I provided it. Stop moving the goalposts.

I did. Thanks for providing it. I don't agree with posting addresses. Neither does Reddit.

I'm curious though. How does a single post get an entire subreddit banned?

It was more than a single post and that was just one page. It only takes once instance for a user to get banned and since /u/mindsequalone was the only mod his subreddit was deleted.

I don't get why everyone is blowing up. There was a very clear TOS violation. There's plenty of Sandy Hook talk here so its not like Reddit its trying to stop it.

It was more than a single post and that was just one page.

Any proof?

I'm not going to post the information. There are a few more examples here.

Even if it was just one post he still would have been banned, leaving nobody left to mod the subreddit.

Banning a post vs. banning a subreddit are two different things. I understand you are confusing the two.

Do you?

I explained why him getting banned would result in his subreddit being deleted. I cannot help it if you repeatedly choose ignore that.

Banning a post vs. banning a subreddit are two different things.

You explained nothing of the sort.

I'm sorry but I don't think I can make it any more clear.

It wasn't a single post. Moving the goalpost again. I don't know if you're lying to yourself or just us, but that was not the only post that had personal info.

It wasn't a single post.

Prove it.

Why, so if I link X you can tell me I need to find X+1 in your ever moving goalpost? Are you going to admit it may have been banned simply because of personal information if I do? Or just move the goalpost again?

Or is your goal simply to get me to post multiple pieces of personal info so I get banned?

Edit: Yea, there are multiple posts on the webcache's first page that have personal info. It's been proven, you just refuse to look.

I read your response as "I don't have proof."

I'm sure you did. That's called confirmation bias. You can't be assed to take 2 minutes (if you click reeeally slow) to see it. The only reason I haven't linked it directly is that it's personal info.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/205itt/reddit_has_now_banned_rsandyhookjustice_without/cg06jz4

There's someone else telling you where to look. It's pathetic that there is proof right in your face a dozen times in this thread and you refuse to face it. Like as long as you pretend it's not there the rest of us will magically not see it too. Shit like that is exactly why people don't take conspiracy claims seriously.

It's pathetic that there is proof right in your face

Yet you offered no proof that a second post was giving out info. Why?

Are you high?

You know pretending something isn't real doesn't make it not real. You just look like a tool when you respond to me posting the proof with "but y u no post proof?"

Do you have yourself convinced that I didn't JUST post proof, or do you realize you're trying to ignore reality and just don't want to admit it?

You said you had more than one instance. You keep showing the first and only instance as proof of multiple instances. Is the conspiratard circle suck that dense?

I guess that's why they say don't feed the trolls. You are a nasty lot.

Edit Troll alert!

He lists 2. There are even more on the frontpage.

Deny reality all you want. I'll just chuckle to myself and think about the kind of life someone with your logic and debate skills could possibly lead.

Which is still a bannable offence to post on reddit... The only mod of the sub was banned and the sub went with it. We'll ignore the gas bills, AAA cards, dates that families moved, we'll ignore all that personal information. He PAID a service to get that personal info and posted it on reddit. You could do that with anybody, and you would get banned.

He PAID a service to get that personal info and posted it on reddit.

Proof?

Have you not seen the googlecache link posted all over this thread showing why he was banned? It's literally 5 posts up this thread chain from you asking for proof....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Fifth down, it shows all of Adam Lanza's personal information. Now, read the title, he admits he paid for it... Is that good enough proof that the only mod of the subreddit was paying to dox people?

I didn't realize it was a pay service.

That is weird.

Actually, it seems to have all been redacted.

/u/Xantr3x. A redditor for 5+ years and this is your first post in /r/conspiracy. What mysterious train of events brings you here today?

Well he has his preferences set to allow everyone to see what he up votes and down votes. The liked and disliked tabs on his profile.

So its obvious he isn't vote brigading here, thus I welcome his participation.

Random subreddit button brought me to /r/conspiratard, read a few links and decided to browse /r/conspiracy, saw a post that had been clarified in /r/conspiratard and decided to comment. Is that a shill accusation?

So how do you know what the user was or was not posting if you never come to this sub?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

That's a cached version of what the user was posting.

And that's the proof you have to support your claim? Where in that cache do you see "massive amounts of personal information" (your words) being posted?

can you show us the actual thread or threads containing the personal info?

That's what gets you banned....

Thanks for the link, but I don't see any personal info being posted there.

Easy dude, I think that's conspiracy enough for these guys tonight.

Though I could be wrong, your repeated accusations of people being government employees (r10) leads me to believe you did not have sincere intentions when you created this thread, because I believe a sincere person would not engage in the sort of behavior this sub ostensibly frowns upon.

I'll call Google right now and get em working on editing the Internet

And there's no personal information there

What? There's still active links on that page that show personal information.

I see. And yet here you are talking about a banned user, and a PRIVATE subreddit that you won't have come across before, as if you know all about them? Excuse me for being a tad sceptical.

I'm posting what I read in other parts of Reddit, and I've cited my sources in my other comments on this thread. I did find a cached version of the subreddit, and what I found matches up with a personal information ban, multiple uncensored addresses.

Can you post the URL of the cached page please?

EDIT: I see you did post the link down below but it doesn't show what you're referring to here

and what I found matches up with a personal information ban, multiple uncensored addresses.

Can you please provide the link to the cached page that shows what you are referring to here? Thanks.

I was a member there and never saw anything that wasn't redacted.

I did find a cached version of the subreddit, and what I found matches up with a personal information ban, multiple uncensored addresses.

URL or imgur link please

he must have forgetten to switch to his conspiracy only account lol

Are you fucking kidding me

Here's the cached version of the sub: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

You can see multiple uncensored addresses from the links on that version.

You are hilarious.

Thank you for making this thread OP. If you hadn't I would have. This is blatant censorship. The mod and users were very good about censoring personal information. I checked this sub almost hourly. I hope /u/mindsequalone is OK, I'm really worried, this is insane... It was there less than two hours ago.

Break reddit's TOS, get banned. Explain how that's censorship.

/u/mindsequalone found out this morning that /u/SparkSmith82 was mocking the sub, earning him a ban.

/u/SparkSmith82 obvious was butthurt and went to the admins because the game was up. Truly incredible.

Can you post a link showing where he was mocking the subreddit?

Edit: Never mind. I figured out how to look at other people's posts!

It's pretty blatant how obsessed he was over /r/sandyhookjustice.

He spent a considerable amount of time copying and pasting entire comments from the private sub to /r/conspiratard in order to mock them.

Read his history, it's vile and disturbing.

In my opinion, attacking the parents of slain children is vile and disturbing. I guess it's all in your outlook. I'm not defending what he did, but it pales in comparison.

it would be vile if it happened in this case, no one died at SH

Wait. WHAT? You are claiming no one died at Sandy Hook? All the parents are liars, all the funerals were fake? All the police reports are faked? All the relatives, the killers parents? All fake.

You should consider seeking mental assistance. I say this in all seriousness.

In my opinion, attacking the parents of slain children is vile and disturbing

I absolutely agree.

But what about parents who falsely claim to have lost a child, and fraudulently accept thousands of dollars in charitable donations from duped wellwishers. How do you feel about those parents?

I'm assuming that you're referring to the parents of the Sandy Hook victims.

In that case, you're an idiot.

Edit: The psychopaths don't like me? Now I haz a sad :'/

get out of this sub, go back to your hole

Your history shows that the only purpose of your charmingly named throwaway account /u/sloppyMccunty is to troll this subreddit. Have you really not got anything better to do, you pathetic individual?

I have no idea who you are referring to? Are you talking about people who pretend their children have cancer? Who pretended their child died?

You're new here, so I'll give you a pass. The Sandy Hook event was a hoax - a "virtual atrocity" or drill scenario, in which fictional persons, including 20 children (whose identities and flimsy backstories were created for this event) were "murdered" by a crazed gunman. Adam Lanza is also a fictional character, based on a real person called Ryan Lanza (that the media would have you believe his brother).

Even though it was a poorly executed hoax and the official narrative is riddled with inconsistencies, the fact that local, State and Federal authorities and the media promoted the event as genuine has succeeded in fooling millions of people.

A number of actors played the roles of parents in the virtual atrocity, and they have become extremely rich by fraudulently setting up charities for their fictional children. Those parents.

Wow. You are calling the parents of dead children liars and frauds. And all of their relatives. And everyone at the funerals.

That's truly shameful. I feel sorry for you.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SandyHookJusticev2/

lets see if they ban this one?

And ban it they did.

In eight minutes, if the timeline matches up.

I daresay that someone's on a way to a shadowban if shenanigans continue.

That would not be said users 1st shadowban.

I know who it is.

Banned already?! Christ.

They don't need copters, dude. They just label you a kook and ruin your credit.

I've been labeled all sorts of things and I'm fine. Kook, retard, anti-semetic, twink... you name it.

What do Little Debbie snack foods have to do with you?

despite agents' best efforts to keep it hidden.

I guess that means there's fewer than 80 "agents".

But if they have the power to delete a whole subreddit, why can't they delete this post?

why can't they delete this post?

To quote cupcake,

"Because I don't want my job to be any harder than it already is"

So these "agents" delete a whole subreddit, but then allow the only thread talking about it to stay? And that's the "easier" option?

Delete a thread in this sub on my watch and we're going to have problems.

Would you shut down the worlds food supply in retaliation?

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/SubredditDrama] /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway has made a threat directed toward Admins "Delete a thread in this sub on my watch and we're going to have problems."

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This is just humorous. Well. I mean it's also pathetic how much stalking SRD does.

Uhhhh people in this thread spend HOURS searching for the names, adresses and information regarding victums of a mass murder... How is that not stalking

And what are you going to do about it?

Laugh at SRD briagdes who can only get here from a linked comment in their sub?

In reality, I'm very worried about the level of planning that went into the operation that went down today. Some seriously fucked up things happened.

One click of a button to ban a subreddit and then? What planning?

Let's just say there were some anomalies with regards who reported the sub; for now I cannot say more.

What will you do in response if that happens?

Make sure it is forever highlighted as an example of manipulation of the organic curation of content.

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You are hilarious. You're actually taking this seriously. You think the government/etc actually cares about your stupid sub and post. ROFL.

For some reason, people seem to think that reddit is far more important than it actually is.

"Our plan to take over the world is almost complete. Once we destroy reddit, then everything else will fall like dominoes."

Information control is thousands of years old and reddit is an enormous information hub - it certainly is important. Open a history book.

Agent. Rofl. I'm sitting here at college waiting for my night class start, browsing Reddit on my phone, trying to keep from laughing out loud. But sure, call me an agent.

^{break the tooth... bite the capsule... he's on to you!}

Hah, as if anyone would want your worthless fiat taxes. Agents of the shadow government obviously get paid in precious metals and bagels.

Are you inferring he makes money off this?

hahahahahahahahaha

So what makes deleting a conspiracy-related sub different?

I can't tell if you're trolling or if you genuinely can't figure this out.

A subreddit that is brand new has little readers or spotlight. It was deleted early before anyone really got to view it. The only people really focusing on it is one moderator, the creator.

Delete a thread like this which has probably been viewed by thousands of people in a subreddit directed to pointing out this kind of censorship and that is controlled by a group of moderators trying to actively point out the same thing and you'll get a shit storm.

It really wasn't that hard to figure out. I have a feeling you were just trying to be contrary..

No, I was just trying to figure out the mindset of some of the people in this thread.

Who knew that thread was new and small though... I didn't for instance and I profited from your explanation. Why be a dick first if you can be helpful?

Easier to control the Stresiand, but even that plan is failing.

less support for the cause

idk, you make a great point. maybe they did it because its a specific topic that has a specific sub? if its this post logged under the sub conspiracy it might be blown over/ over looked anywhere else (on other pages on reddit.)

LOLz what are you gonna do exactly? You going to get your stormfront buddies together and email them to tell them they are bad, bad admins.. LOLzzz

Did you just attempt to smear my character by suggesting I'm a racist as a way to derail discussion? That's disgusting man.

Attempt to smear? Absolutely not, you and your friends here do that by yourselves quite well.. Derail? Not at all, I know the admins here are just as dirty as you and your stormfront pals.. Just merely asking what you and your feeble minded friends will do about exactly? Well besides maybe burn a cross, and blame Jews for all your problems..

Did she state why they deleted the sub in question though?

I'm curious as to the reasoning.

There were posts containing addresses and names of people living near the school as well as a treasure trove of documents from the deceased. Things like Adam Lanza's moms gas bill that was found in her mailbox after she was murdered and a call for help from /u/mindsequalone translating the numbers and codes on it. The sub is one but you can view thumbnails and post titles still if you search that users posts. edit:here http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

those black copters are coming.

So 88 black copters that are owned by Reddit, eh?

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that didn't take long

Have you been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia

Rule 10, removed.

Good job! Clap-Clap

Have you?

I don't care what they say about us anyway...

...I don't care 'bout that

Lol... I'm in the logic department. Where people think logically.

It was a trash subreddit for a bullshit & offensive conspiracy theory, makes complete sense it was deleted(about time). The sooner this community can move on from that disgusting joke of a crusade for "truth", the better.

Also, you're out of your mind if you think a meaningful portion of the population believes in this BS. A revolution is already underway, a social one. "They" is not a singular entity. Get real.

This.

Are you seriously insinuating that a revolution is anywhere close to happening?

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That'll show them!

Your sarcasm won't.

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You talk about reddit in the same way some people refer to the government, as a single entity. However its made up of people. Individual people making decisions, not one all powerful corrupt single entity banning and censoring whatever it sees fit. How can reddit be so for internet censorship? Because its full of users who understand enough about technology to understand how important internet freedom is. Look beyond the typical over hype conspiracy bullshit and I bet there's a logical reason for the sub getting banned, and I bet you it comes down to butt-hurttery, needless drama, and not "reddit" trying to censor a conspiracy. I'm getting sick of the mindset around here that EVERYTHING deserves a conspiracy, or is a coverup, before there is any evidence people are at arms, just chill down, let's see what emerges.

You talk about reddit in the same way some people refer to the government, as a single entity.

That's the thing, isn't it? I frequently observe people address this place as if it's a sentient being. Reddit said this. A sub did that.

It certainly is not normal behaviour.

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but thats kind of the problem, this isn't a big life revelation. This is a subreddit getting banned for (at the time of the post) a reason that we weren't aware of, yet people are so eager to make a big deal about it without waiting for the facts. So it turns out some personal information was posted and someone took the opportunity to get the sub taken down, but without knowing that beforehand how can you decide what your actions should be? it's a dangerous mindset to get angry over assumptions. Even now, the right action should only be to create a new sub, restart the community and be more careful about breaking reddits rules and giving people a chance to be assholes. By the way I say all this and am very much opposed to the sandyhook conspiracy, I do however advocate free speech. This isn't entirely directed at just you either, however this mindset of "do now, think later" is becoming quite scarey as I notice it a lot more from friends recently too. We should be able to control ourselves and think logically about these things and not rush to any conclusions, and certainly not call for any "action" (whatever that may be) before we even understand the situation.
edit: now it turns out it was a troll, yet you were ready for action against Reddit and internet censorship. Point proven.

Whoa!! Let's not get too carried away.

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That isn't how logic works. You're working backwards.

Names were listed as A**** B*****, as far as I could see.

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since you deleted the comment you previously posted that said "you provided no proof of a conspiracy", here's what I had typed out

"the fact that the subreddit is banned and there is no evidence as to why it was legitimately banned raises the question "why was it banned?"

after the recent greenwald revelations and the ample amount of proof that reddit is part of social manipulation, it isn't that ridiculous of a notion"

"and Reddit is at the center" lol'd 10/10

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/conspiratard] /r/sandyhookjustice has been banned, /r/conspiracy is pretty mad.

• [/r/JustShillThings] /r/conspiracy explodes over cold-blooded deletion of their beloved /r/sandyhookjustice. Many free speeches are violated.

• [/r/notcirclejerk] Reddit has now banned /r/SandyHookJustice without any explanation, and the user who ran it has been deleted. There is an obvious coverup happening right in front of us that nobody can talk about, and Reddit is at the center.

• [/r/PanicHistory] 3/11/14 /r/conspiracy: "Reddit has now banned /r/SandyHookJustice without any explanation, and the user who ran it has been deleted. There is an obvious coverup happening right in front of us that nobody can talk about, and Reddit is at the center." +943, stickied post

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It's a meta-sub for separating borderline schizophrenia from plausible conspiracy. "NSA coverup evidence revealed," 1000 upvotes? They don't care. "Ancient aliens predicted Obama's election via Oscars numerology," 30 upvotes? They break out the popcorn. They poke fun at the latter nonsense from everywhere... /r/Conspiracy's just close to home.

And really, this Sandy Hook bullshit is much closer to the latter than the former. Some super-secret cabal fabricates an entire town for the express purpose of faking a shooting and passing gun control... and we don't even fucking pass the gun control?! How stupid and weak are these powerful geniuses supposed to be?

Anyway, if you wanted endless media coverage of a tragic shooting, you wouldn't hire "crisis actors" to live the rest of their lives under fake identities with imaginary dead children. You'd give some nutjob a bag full of guns and point him at a real school. Infinitely simpler. No loose ends.

That is sensible and rational, I agree.

The same thing allies to the controlled demolition part of the 911 conspiracies, why not just slam a few extra planes into the whole mess, seems like it would be a whole lot simpler

Christ, seriously. Like 9/11 wouldn't have been a national tragedy if the buildings hadn't fallen. They were ruined and probably needed to be demolished anyway. It was a gigantic "fuck you" that would've served bin Laden's stated goal: goading the US into a war of attrition against piss-poor guerrillas.

And really, this Sandy Hook bullshit is much closer to the latter than the former. Some super-secret cabal fabricates an entire town for the express purpose of faking a shooting and passing gun control... and we don't even fucking pass the gun control?! How stupid and weak are these powerful geniuses supposed to be? ­ ­

Some super-secret cabal

Who believes this?

fabricates an entire town

Who believes this?

for the express purpose of faking a shooting and passing gun control...

Try to understand this: Just because the outcome of the plan did not happen the way they wanted it to (gun laws passed) does not mean that they did not stage the event for that exact reason.

People say over and over again. "No laws were passed, see!" That's as much proof as Sandy Hook's plan failing as it is evidence for SH not being staged to begin with.

New York Becomes First State To Pass Gun Control Legislation Following Sandy Hook Shooting

New York Passes Major Gun Control Law First Since Newton Massacre

Connecticuit Passes Strictest Gun Legislation In Country After Sandy Hook

How stupid and weak are these powerful geniuses supposed to be?

They're obviously powerful enough to have staged such an event but not omnipotent hence why all of the story's loose ends and unanswered questions.

Who believes this?

Just searching /r/Conspiratard for "Sandy Hook," a nonzero number of users here do. This predates the release of the tapes. Same idea, different thread. Just scroll through any of those and see the varying levels of fakery proposed by /r/Conspiracy members in good standing.

And look - suggesting Sandy Hook was an "inside job" probably wouldn't rise to a level of absurdity /r/Conspiratard cares about. Some guys arming one nutjob to "hasten the inevitable" and push their agenda is, while improbable, certainly plausible. It only requires one asshole and one nutjob (and some guns). There's nothing funny about nitpicking that. It's simple and dull. Only the truly wacky shit rises to their attention.

I didn't just pull this "the whole town is fake" idea out of my ass. I don't take nearly enough good drugs to imagine something so ridiculous. It is the most ridiculous form of an alarmingly popular meme asserting that the shooting itself was somehow a hoax.

Just because the outcome of the plan did not happen the way they wanted it to (gun laws passed) does not mean that they did not stage the event for that exact reason.

No, but it severely undermines the claim that some unseen agency (presumably government-based) would have the power to fake an entire town and all its denizens. When you have the resources to fake a school shooting, let alone to actually pull off the Bielefeld conspiracy, why the fuck wouldn't you just bribe politicians with lobbying?

if the tinfoil hat fits

Satire is probably too strong a word, but it is certainly meant to make fun of conspiracy theorists (not just this sub).

They refuse to believe that, they think conspiratards sole purpose of existence is to make this sub look stupid, troll it and make them look racist. Not as if they don't do that to themselves

it's humor.

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but it's literally the only sub taking the NSA seriously and actually realizing how corrupt our government is.

I don't think you spend a lot of time on reddit.

Oh look, a comment in this thread attacking the OP got briagded to the top right after that was linked. Shocking!

Maybe you just have a shitty view point.

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Has it ever occurred to you that people might just disagree with you? Why is it always shills?

Because he only knows the Truth. Ergo anyone disagreeing is a shill.

Disagreeing is fine, why downvote though? Correct us with intelligent criticism, don't attack what you can't overcome.

There are no facts, that's kind of the bloody point.

Anyone that chooses to come here and deny others their right to be enlightened, is nothing more than a government agent, whether they know it or not.

You dispense tautologies, thought-terminating cliches, and outright hysterics with a level of pride and shamelessness that almost impresses me, and I have been studying crackpots since I was 12 years old.

I think you'll find that most people have a radically different idea of what the word 'facts' mean.

It actually sound like you're joking, wow.

You think rather highly of yourself, I also think you consider /r/conspiartard as way more important than it actually is.

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You are responding in the comments thread to what you believe is a maniac on a thread on website, what does that make you?

A person browsing reddit.

WE ARE LEGION!

Pretty fucked up reddit inc, those people in Newton (regardless of what went down) are limited purpose public figures. This is bad precedent.

Somebody want to man up and comment publicly?

/u/cupcake1713 /u/hueypriest

These are the same assholes that don't ban bipolarbear, and then have the balls to shadowban people that voice opposition. Fuck them.

The bear situation is pretty fucked, seeing as the admins were given evidence that bear was using IRC to spread links to his attempted anti-Semitic cognitive manipulation here.

What's also interesting is bear caused reddit inc a worldwide PR snafu over the censorship of the JTRIG story last week, yet he is didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

Very interesting indeed, as it does seem that the admins "reward" certain groups (ahemsrsahem) on this site with the ability to brigade with impunity, manipulative the organic curation of content at their will, and openly laugh at those who try to stop them.

I was shadow banned for posting a print screen of that. That's my best guess anyway, since i did nothing else for a week+ leading up to my shadowban. And i messaged the admins, and never received a reply. Meanwhile that fuck is still a mod LOL.

And yup, subreddits exist whose sole purpose is brigading. That NP link stuff is nonsense. Just make it against the rules to link anything...print screens/np links/etc if the sole purpose of that is ridicule

Oh and this post of mine from last week is still appropriate here, I can't even wrap my head around this fucking guy.....

Is this guy fucking SERIOUS? LOLOLOLOLOL

http://np.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1zoi7c/liveleakcom_christian_man_forced_to_convert_to/cfvjx0b

Two warnings for your two comments in this thread. Edit: Missed the last one, you're out. Don't make sockpuppets to post hatred here.

At the risk of sounding like an activist, getting in touch with an anti semeticism advocate can help put political pressure on even Conde Nast, and you can bet that some heads would roll regardless of whether the Bear is a paid schmuck or not because hes one of their big official mods and represents them regardless of anything Reddit or Nast claims in a legal announcement. But thats just pressure on the corp. The bear can just switch to another alt and have the "council of elders" modificate him again.

They deleted my other account minutes after making a big post about online propaganda and forum manipulation. I guess they didn't like the post.

I wish we could make an /r/undelete sort of sub, but consisting solely of shadowbanned users and their last few posts before getting banned. I think it would open up a lot of eyes

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Hmmm,

She isn't Miss America (or Miss Brazil) but I wouldn't call her ugly. I would let her scratch my back.

She could scratch my back, no way she's scratching my front though :/

Let's not be cruel.

To a heart that's true?

But seriously, calling someone ugly has no place in a discussion about banning this sub or its' moderators; don't offer ammunition to people like Bipolarbear.

I'm just giving her a VALID reason to shadowban me this time instead of her usual nonsense.

I don't think they Shadow ban people for calling admins ugly.

It would be a more legit reason than doing it for posting screen shots of a mod plotting to discredit this sub :)

Well I agree with you there.

This should be stickied until they answer for themselves.

You do know that posting personal information (such as addresses) of public figures is as against the TOS (and a bannable offense) as non-public figures, right?

I haven't looked that deeply into Sandy Hook but now my interest has been piqued. Anyone care to share some good reading/viewing material?

Take a gander at letsrollforums.com. They do some good work over there.

Hahaha dude youre just the best.

Wasn't /r/SandyHookJustice posting the private information of Newtown's residents (Names, addresses, phone numbers), which is against Reddit's rules due to violation of privacy?

Got some proof of that claim? From everything I saw, all private information was carefully redacted.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

4th link.

Every Sandy Hook victim has a charity/foundation. Is that (genuine question, it may be so) typical in other tragedies? Do most families start foundations after?

That's the proof?

I think he meant #5. It's literally someone's address in Hoboken NJ.

The links marked "Paid People-smart search lists Ryan Lanza" and "Lanza Gas bill that was in mailbox" pretty clearly show names and addresses.

He never claimed it happened, he asked for some proof himself.

He asked a leading question with the implication that, yes, it was that sub - the one posting the private information.

He didn't imply anything

Its been proven about 8 different times in this thread. Yes, he sub was breaking the rules. Therefore, bye bye. Not censorship, but bye bye for breaking existing rules.

Yes, indeed.

so many people certain they were posting private information without redacting it, yet none can seem to generate a single example

I've clicked on the user pages of everyone claiming person info was posted in this thread and 100% of them are conspiratard/sub reddit drama posters

oh, and still no proof.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

4th link.

Probably because...the sub was deleted.

Maybe because the sub was deleted?

15 days old

every comment in /r/conspiracy

posted the same comment but worded differently twice in response to the same thing

either damage control is moving so fast that it's hard to keep up with who you've replied to, or you all need your budget increased so you don't have to share keyboards

Proof?

Edit: How many lies does this 'user' have to spam before the mods moderate?

Proof or shush.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Just message the admins.

I am so fed up with privately owned corporations acting like they have the right to do what they want within the confines of the law. The next thing you know individuals will be choosing to listen or read whatever interests them and ignore what does not. The next time a nongovernmental body does not infringe on my right to free speech I will take it to the streets and protest.

Please post pics

The next time hasn't happened yet (if it does I cut off the worlds food supply) but this is a pic from me and my collective from last months Internet Day of Rage. WE told THEM a thing or two that day believe you me!

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They might as well have shot those children themselves.

Just so you're all aware, people were asking where in the TOS it says reddit can remove subs and censor things; it's the first thing that shows up on the user agreement

It's troubling when reddit admins remove a subreddit. Particularly when they won't explain why. Removing a subreddit should be a very last resort and should be thoroughly explained.

If it isn't then others building subreddit communities may wonder if theirs is next to go without explanation or warning.

Could someone summarize what exactly is being covered up? I'm curious.

/r/sandyhookjustice had no 'official' opinion or theory, it was just a safe, private place to discuss the many discrepancies of the official report and things MSM has said. The subreddit itself is now gone, along with the one mods account.

Discrepancies like?

Could the fact that the father of the shooter is the Vice President For Taxes at General Electrics Energy Financial Services?

A corporate giant like that likely applied pressure to sanitize the subreddit and any associations to them.

Nah, some people were posting addresses of people associated with the story, and personal info like that has always been against reddit TOS, before this subreddit even existed.

So why not bad the few people doing it?

Nah, some people were posting addresses of people associated with the >story, and personal info like that has always been against reddit TOS, >before this subreddit even existed.

Where is the proof?

Where's your proof? (Not a dick, just curious)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zDRU1dvoXEEJ:www.reddit.com/r/sandyhookjustice+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

The links marked "Paid People-smart search lists Ryan Lanza" and "Lanza Gas bill that was in mailbox" pretty clearly show names and addresses.

Why isn't info regarding Lanza fair game?

That'll do it too!

Series of high profile shooting incidents drives the news/ public debate about guns and gun control. Politicians roll out legislation they had pre-packaged in anticipation.

This is the same M.O. they used in Australia to disarm the public.

Christopher Dorner was a hoax.

Paul Ciancia was a hoax.

Adam Lanza was a hoax.

Except there has been no significant new gun control laws passed since sandy hook. So much for an effective conspiracy.

And the REASON for the banning?

I reported this sub to the admins because u/mindsequalone was posting the names and addresses of neighbors to the Sandy Hook school. The insinuation was that all of the properties on that dead-end street were owned by the same family, therefore it is somehow related to the shooting. It really doesn't matter what the intentions are. He posted names and addresses.

Posting the names and addresses of those people is not a wise idea, and potentially dangerous.

i think people will over look this post and just jump on the bandwagon and join the witch hunt.

posting peoples names and addresses is ridiculous and I'm not surprised he was banned.

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not really a fair comparison. reddit can ban and censor all they want. the more they do it, the more the Streissand effect kicks in.. so enjoy the show they put on for us. We pay for it after all.

Psalm 37

The media isn't owned by reddit. Reddit is a private company with a website they own privately and can manage how they wish.

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It's against reddit's TOS to post peoples personal information. That includes addresses, social network profiles, names, etc. it's reddit's ToS regardless of what is shown on the news.

Reddit at the center? Talk about delusions of grandeur...

Uh... Cover-up? Don't you think that covering something up long after it has happened is kinda hard due to decentralized nature of the Internet?

What's the deal with Sandy Hook posts anyway? There are more of then usual lately.

There is a subculture of conspiracists who are fixated on local level tragedies [Boston, Sandy Hook, etc.].

From what I follow, the tragedy is enacted in order to convince the public to give up their civil liberties [guns, privacy]. Then the group develops into a semi - movement, where they disect whatever is available online, and arrange it into a few variations of 'what really happened'.

The nay - sayers [who believe the official stories] consider the conspiracists to be paranoid/fearful. The common assertion says 'the paranoid conspiritards can't face the chaos and uncertainty of reality, that bad things sometimes happen, and rationalize the tragedy as some sort of setup/insidejob/cover up/fakery acted out by a variety of powerful shadow rulers [who have a variety of motivations].

The conspiracists consider themselves to be privy to the true narrative of reality, naysayers to be uninformed, ignorant sheep. Quite often there are accusations that users [those who voice opposition to the alternate, premeditated theory] are or seem like/sound like paid government agents who are spreading disinformation in a cyber-info war between the shadow rulers and the resistance burdened with knowing the truth. I have never found myself entirely in either camp [both examples are on the extreme]. Five years ago I was an avid skeptic of the official stories of 9/11 and vocally anti-fed. At this point in my life, I look back at how much time and energy was spent fixated on the struggle-for-the-truth, and decided that those beliefs just distracted me from focusing on my school, work and relationships.

Back to your question about the cover up. To naysayers, occam's razor is more than enough to discredit a conspiracy. To conspiracists, they too use occam's razor. However, the rationale is preceded with an a priori truth that there is an agenda pushing shadow elite who frequently manipulates events; therefore it seems more simple that this is yet another case if the wool being pulled over the eyes of the ignorant majority. The difference lies in the foundational beliefs [the popular narrative vs the shadow elite narrative].

Without changing the initial belief of the other, both groups are bound to endlessly argue, ridicule, attack, accuse, etc. It becomes a cycle of finger pointing and back-patting [circle jerking?]. This ultimately serves to preserve the integrity of each's own ego- a very fundamental motivation for many acts and beliefs of various groups and individuals.

*edit: first gold! thank you, whoever you are...

One of my main issues with the whole shadow gov't illumanti controlling the world narrative is that the same conspiracists claim that gov'ts are stupid and don't work. How can the US gov't be an infallible machine that can cover up tons of innocent bystanders deaths(9/11, sandyhook, boston) and also be incredibly stupid? Either they are incredibly efficient and smart or they are totally incompetent...I think most would agree on the latter.

The US gov't can take tons of time on even the most mundane tasks and issues...how can they possibly be covering up all these deaths? That network would literally include like 100,000s of people. I'm sorry but there is no way our gov't is that efficient and if there is some efficient shadow gov't that can do of all of this stuff then what is their endgame? Why poison and ruin all of their "slaves", why kill the manipulated masses? For what reason? Population control? Oh yeah thats working real well...

However I do think real conspiracies do exist...for instance something like watergate at the time of its occurrence.

I got really into the 9/11 and RFID chips in highschool but ended up in a similar boat to you. "Trying to uncover the truth" takes up far to much time and it often leads people to anger or depression. Its just not worth it. In the end if its true...well what could I have done? On the other hand if it isn't true then at least I didn't waste years grasping at straws.

This is the real gaping hole with this conspiracy(and others). We need to hold two contradictory statements as true in order to keep the conspiracy narrative alive.

1. The government is a massive, powerful entity, with the means and motivation to stage this event in full public view.

2. They hired amateurs who leave holes that the (methodical, rigorously skeptical) conspiracy community always sees right through. Keep in mind that these same folks call conspiracy/false flag after any event of historical significance.

In addition these both have basic assumptions that can be easily proven false - half or perhaps even more of the government is very much pro-gun, for example.

Furthermore, we need to pretend that this resourceful entity also apparently didn't conduct their due diligence and find out if such an event would have the intended effect(see gun legislation enacted/changed in the year following Sandy Hook).

The guy you responded to it couldn't have said it better:

Back to your question about the cover up. To naysayers, occam's razor is more than enough to discredit a conspiracy. To conspiracists, they too use occam's razor. However, the rationale is preceded with an a priori truth that there is an agenda pushing shadow elite who frequently manipulates events; therefore it seems more simple that this is yet another case if the wool being pulled over the eyes of the ignorant majority. The difference lies in the foundational beliefs [the popular narrative vs the shadow elite narrative].

Really, it comes down to a worldview in the end since you can't prove a negative. It doesn't matter how unlikely the conspiracy theory becomes after skepticism, there will always be people who craft some counter-intuitive reasoning akin to "but that's what they want you to think", and there will be those who have the worldview to adopt that as a more reasonable explanation than the commonly accepted one.

You hit the nail right on the head. I could not have said it better!

I was more so just venting some frustrations towards the conspiracy community. I myself am not a conspiracy theorist anymore. I'm sure they exist but I believe they are much less interesting than people think. More along the lines of people colluding behind closed doors to increase their personal gain but thats been going on probably since the conception of currency.

Indeed, personally I think conspiracists fail to grasp the scale and complexity of the modern world. A grand conspiracy of the nature they envision is outright impossible in today's world. Alan Moore had some wise words on the subject:

The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.

and this one in particular which touches on the double-standard of an immensely intelligent and resourceful, yet fatally stupid nefarious entity:

Yes, there is a conspiracy, in fact there are a great number of conspiracies that are all tripping each other up. And all of those conspiracies are run by paranoid fantasists and ham-fisted clowns. If you are on a list targeted by the CIA, you really have nothing to worry about. If however, you have a name similar to somebody on a list targeted by the CIA, then you are dead.

Haha I hadn't heard the second quote yet. Thats good. It's true though -- I think a parallel can be drawn between the more fanatic religious people and extreme conspiracy theorists. They both do their best to ignore the reality that we live in a world in which no one has control, IE god or the illuminati, as well as usually having an inflated ego due to the thought they are somehow woken up and above others.

I'd argue that conspiracists do not use Ockham's Razor because the application of Ockham's Razor refers specifically to Ontological Parsimony.

Conspiracists create the existence of a brand new entity to explain an otherwise explainable phenonemon.

In other words, the non-conspiracist view is more onotlogically parsimonious than the conspiracist view--a shadowy global elite/nwo/illuminati is an additional entity.

Very good comment, even you do come across as a tad jaded.

I think it's worth mentioning that there is an unofficial triage stage for an event to make it to /r/conspiracy. Only a small number of aviation disasters make it through.

Basically, if the official narrative is very implausible, self-contradictory, where there appears to be a cover-up, where there appears to be evidence of prior knowledge etc etc, then these anomalies will be discussed in detail, and "theories" will inevitably arise to explain these anomalies. The theories can only exist where there is legitimate doubt in the official narrative.

What's the deal with Sandy Hook posts anyway? There are more of then usual lately.

There's been a lot of activity on the Sandy Hook front lately. Huffpo and New Yorker just posted interviews with Peter Lanza as well. I'm not sure if the gun control crowd is trying a second offensive after their losses in the wake of the killings, but they've spurred a lot of people who think there was something odd about the killings. And there was- whether it was because something untoward went on, or that a lot of people made bad decisions when trying to "protect" victims families I don't know, but trying to shut people up is only going to convince more people that something screwed up DID go on.

I joined this subreddit to see Aliens, Men in Black, and 9/11 stuff, not this crap. The Sandy Hook truthers give conspiracy theories a terrible rep.

took me a moment to get your sarcasm :)

Isn't it against the Reddit TOS to dox people?

Yep. Nobody here can seem to get that known truth through their tinfoil hats.

whats dox?

It refers to the act of posting someone's personal information without their approval.

I've never believed the Sandy Hook coverup BS. Tragic events happen, thats life. You know how hard it would be to fake something like that in a community where everybody knows each other. It probably got deleted because someone finally caught on to how offensive is it to entertain this conspiracy. Thats not to say conspiracies don't happen, but I don't think this is one. The perpetrator was clearly off for many years.

Your username couldn't be more appropriate. "A community where everybody knows each other and plays baseball and bakes apple pies in the summer and also everybody commutes to full-time jobs in other centers and spends minimal time there."

And that makes his argument invalid?

are we back to browsing this sub in 'controversial' mode again? boy does this topic ever get the treatment..

It looks like mindsequalone was ruffling some feathers with research on the area around Sandy Hook Elementary. Lots of apparently empty properties, convoluted ownership, ofthen changing hands for $0. Sandy Hook appears to be a government-owned spooksville, not a real town.

Do some research into how municipalities handle properties changing hands. In most of the country the price in the field they are consulting for this particular tidbit is almost always $0 and (obviously) does not reflect the actual sale of the property.

Hahahhhahahahahahahaha you are so delusional.

Just fucking go there if you're so sure.

If you really gave a damn, you would. You'd buy a but ticket or jump in your car and go there. But you won't do this will you? Instead you'll continue trying to fuck with the lives of people who lost children and family members in a senseless tragedy.

Instead you'll continue trying to fuck with the lives of people who lost children and family members in a senseless tragedy.

These people are liars and criminals who have fraudulently enriched themselves by duping a very gullible American public.

No children were lost, and I sincerely hope that before too long the truth will come out, and these sociopaths will be serving long jail sentences. Then YOU will be able to visit them in jail and tell them just how awesome you think they are.

If you ever watch the in dash camera footage of one of the responding cops, he doesn't know where the school is. I'm not sure how you can live close enough to the area to be a first responder and not know the location of one of the only schools in that town

That one was from the Connecticut State Police, not the local police. There were plenty of police on scene by the time he got there.

HAHA. This shit is so funny. Everybody keeps making claims like "Wow the cop didn't even know! 3/10 troll gubmit made the town four years ago" and the next comment just destroys it with actual facts.

What's the Sandy Hook conspiracy exactly?

The same as any other - the official story (i.e. the truth) is a lie foisted upon us by an incompetent government in order to... well that bit is never clear, right?

Never understood how the government is supposed to be both powerful and intelligent enough to create and manage these situations while also being incompetent enough to let people catch it and talk about it on Internet forums.

yeah yeah cliche much?

You name it, it's there. It recently went full circle a few days ago. May i present:

"The sandy hook victims were never born"

If you ever get answer please let me know. When I asked i got something about fed agents running a drill that went wrong to Sandy Hook wasn't even a real place it was a training area. Its almost like asking who they think was behind 9/11. You get it was 5 Jews to "the government" to Saudis etc.

What kind of shit is this ? This is an example of the continued bullshit we deal with . Way to go reddit .

Here's a question - why would it matter if r/sandyhookjustice is no more? All the same information that used to go into that subreddit can be posted elsewhere (for example here at r/conspiracy) so I see no problem. Looks like the mods are just banning a user for an obvious infraction and ending a niche subreddit.

Holy shit people, why the fuck is this conspiracy still alive? It's so obviously bullshit and just makes this place look terrible.

And yet my tag for you shows that you post on Sandy Hook threads again and again! It must be so wearisome for you.

Wait, what is the contradiction? You said "and yet". I find it a disgusting and post regularly in the threads to point out how stupid it is.

You deliberately read threads on subjects that "disgust" you. You love being outraged? You are a truly idiotic human being. Get a fucking life.

I sympathize with the notion of uncovering inconvenient truths hidden by those in power to preserve their hegemony. I think this particular conspiracy and others like it shit on the legitimacy of that effort. So I guess nobody should bother offering dissenting opinions on those subjects because they disagree with(and are disgusted by) them?

Essentially, you are just a troll. You deliberately post on Sandy Hook threads to disrupt the discussion - as revenge for people daring to discuss things you disagree with. You are a sad little man.

If well-articulated dissent is what you call "disrupting the discussion" then I guess we've got differing ideas of what constitutes a contribution to a discussion.

Holy shit people, why the fuck

Well articulated indeed. You're a joke.

Thank you for the insightful contribution.

Holy shit people, why the fuck

Thanks for your well articulated dissent.

Don't bother reading my other posts where this actually occurs >_>

You mean I have to click on your user name and scroll through your comments to find "actual" occurrences of intelligence?

I'll pass.

At least your investigative prowess is consistent with that of your kin - which is to ignore the stuff which might run counter to your already established and unshakable belief in something which only has conjecture to back it up.

Yep. That's super forthright you. You're so credible.

I mean, I was responding to someone who said they had me tagged as responding to sandy hook threads, so... yes? That's what we were talking about, not the comment you initially replied to.

That wasn't very well articulated... :(

Sorry if it wasn't clear - my statement about well articulated arguments was in response to the fellow who has read my other posts(and subsequently tagged me).

your an asshole man, leave ..now

*tips tinfoil*

Now what happened, why was this thread removed??

It was a trollpost by an /r/conspiratard member, apparently to show what would get upvoted here or something.

Well, if that's the case then job well done I must say.

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Got some proof for that claim? From everything I saw, all private information was carefully redacted.

Carefully redacted? hahaha. No I don't because proof would have to be me showing you the information which I'm not going to do.

So your comment can be disregarded as baseless speculation then, got it. I'm sorry for assuming that you might actually want to back up your accusations with evidence - that was silly of me.

hahahahahahahahahahaha you're talking about baseless speculation on /r/conspiracy HAHAHAHAHAH MY FUCKING SIDES HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

They never felt compelled to provide any evidence that Adam Lanza killed anyone, I wouldn't expect them to start feeling compelled to provide evidence for their next pack of lies.

He's a conspiratard poster before you waste any more time bickering with him

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/205qgl/rsandyhookjustice_has_been_banned_rconspiracy_is/cg0264n

Yeah but if no one calls him out on his bullshit his comment may be misconstrued by some as actually having some merit (which it quite clearly doesn't, especially now that I got him to admit he has no proof whatsoever).

I agree, that's why i always point these people out lol

Sorry but they can do what they want, Reddit is a privately owned website and thus they can put up and remove what ever they want. Freedom of Speech only applies in public spaces and I am sure the Admins had good reasons for taking it down.

commenting to check on this later. I don't even give a shit about Sandy Hook, but if shit is getting censored and disappeared in a free fucking country then suddenly I'm watching, motherfuckers!

but if shit is getting censored and disappeared in a free fucking country

You are on Reddit, not a free fucking country. This is their private website, and as such whether you are in a free fucking country is irrelevant to whether they can or should be able to remove content.

Love how this sub brings out the worst (in) people. Did I ever say that it was illegal ? no, because I'm not stupid. I stand by it, when the media censors shit in a free country, I pay attention. Now tell me this, oh great peddler of constitutionality and legality, Why the fuck shouldn't people pay attention.

Well, the fact that you mentioned being in a free fucking country, I assumed you thought right to speech was being affected. My bad.

Also, I never said people shouldn't pay attention to what the media does.

Finally, Reddit doesn't really seem to be censoring very well since Sandy Hook is talked about on this subreddit very often without it being deleted, or those posts being deleted or anything.

Take some time to look into it if you have an hour or two free - you may be surprised by how obviously bullshit the official story is once you start examining the "facts" and "details".

Sandy Hook got my attention when I found out they were going to pave it and rebuild. (Waste of money.) And I think they're getting federal money for that. Just weird.

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Obvious who this guy is.

Seriously. The amount of government shills making sure to attack us in these threads is rediculous.

A sane and rational person?

Take your sanity and ability to reason and get the fuck out, on the way please see if the dumpster at the door still has the common sense that isn't used by people who see the truth.

on the way please see if the dumpster at the door still has the common sense that isn't used by people who see the truth.

This raises so many questions.

1. From the way you worded it, you're implying that the dumpster is indoors. Why the hell is the dumpster indoors? That seems unsanitary and impracticable to say the least. Have you considered moving the dumpster outdoors? It certainly seems like it would make it easier on yourself and the garbage men.

2. Why do people who can see the truth get their common sense from a dumpster??? The fact that it's in a dumpster seems to imply that the previous owner found it worse than useless. Have you considered that you're using someone's discarded common sense that they found faulty? I think you just called your own common sense garbage dude.

This made my morning thank you for your insight, I'll show myself out.

/r/SandyHookJustice was one of my favorite subs. I don't know if the mod was posting personal info or not, but it seems kind of sketchy to delete the whole subreddit. There was lots of good info in there I haven't seen anywhere else. This is bullshit.

There was no good info there. At all.

How so? Almost nobody had an official stance it was just a place to discuss fishy things and try to piece together the puzzle.

The sub and the user were too good to last in a forum owned by MegaGlobalMediaCorp, Inc.

Off to 4chan

Cover up at Sandy Hook? Has our mass insanity go as far as to allow people actually to believe this kind of nonsense?!

Wait this is a thing? Goddam it there's a conspiracy for everything.

Barack Obama lives with his wife and two daughters at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington, DC 20500

Don't ban me yet - I want to put my bells on

Drama. Drama everywhere.

You sandy hook conspiracy people are the worst of humanity. Maybe that's why they did it.

This is now the second account that that user has had banned. Someone doesn't want us talking about the obvious SH psy-op/hoax...

It's discussed on this subreddit all the time, so apparently the power that be just doesn't want a specific subreddit about it, but discussion on a much larger subreddit is fine?

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Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that I've seen discussions on the topic several times on the front page here, often with a lot of the same info that subreddit had.

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That maybe it wasn't the topic that they were discussing that caused the subreddit to be deleted, perhaps it was the way it was done, or some other reason.

If you are going to try to censor something, it makes very little sense to do so for a small subreddit, while allowing essentially the same content to exist on the front page of much larger subreddits.

At least the way I see it.

You know, I have a kid that got put in time out twice. Obviously I'm part of a conspiracy to keep him punished for revealing my evil plots.

Oh he broke the rules twice. I know this is going to sound crazy, but people who break the rules tend to keep breaking them.

*^{Note, don't actually have a kid. The point is that pretending being punished twice is evidence of a conspiracy instead of breaking the rules twice is ridiculous.}

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Care to cite a few examples for these generalizations? Because otherwise I'm going to go ahead and say that you're completely full of shit.

Are you new here? Do you not remember all that?

Are you talking about when the mod who shall not be named came here and posted anti-semitic comments as a "drunken experiment" in an effort to discredit the sub?

Or are you talking about the occasional "j00s" nonsense posts that get posted here sometimes before being summarily downvoted to oblivion?

Again - you can't accuse an entire sub of 200k+ people of being "anti-semitic" (which is itself a meaningless propaganda term) without any examples to back it up and not expect to be called on your bullshit.

Edit: And before you come back with the inevitable "I'm not the OP", I know you aren't the person I was responding to. I meant "you" in the universal sense.

Once again in this thread, no one providing any proof when asked. Get the fuck out with these bullshit accusations if you've got nothing to back yourselves up.

Proof or gtfo

Considering many of them have since been deleted, no, I don't.

Four paragraph rant about this entire sub being full of Nazis who hate Jews for no reason and not a single shred of proof or a single comment linked. I wish I could say I was surprised.

Lack of evidence never stopped anyone on here believing anything.

Strawman.

I don't think you know what a strawman argument is.

the tin-man's redneck cousin?

You could sit on the main page of conspiracy for three minutes and see it pretty easily.

Then it should be pretty easy to find a few examples for me right? I'll wait.

This is the fourth time in this thread I've seen a highly provocative and insulting accusation about this subreddit or related subreddits. None of you have provided any proof rather than vague generalizations, if you're so right like you claim that 'You could sit on the main page of conspiracy for three minutes and see it pretty easily', then why do none of you provide any direct information? And don't give some rhetorical bullshit answer, just give a source (which should be easy) or GTFO.

Haha, mindless spouting your opinions with absolutely no evidence that supports it? You'd make a great politician

I never believe anyone who says they have no opinion on Israel. It's one of the great polarizing issues of our time.

FWIW I think Zionism is the most specious of reasoning, although this is a separate issue than both Israels' deplorable treatment of arabs and also from the USA's endless and often irrational support. Zionism denotes the belief that a small group of people descended maybe from some other group of people were given a deed by god 4,000 years ago to own a particular parcel of land.

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It doesn't matter that only a select few actually post Nazi propaganda, what matters is that those posts get THOUSANDS of upvotes, enough to be /r/conspiracy's top post for a couple of hours. Then this happens repeatedly. Even if there are only 1000-3000 self identified neo-nazis on this subreddit, it still doesn't dismiss the fact that their content gets upvoted by the thousands, enought to be the top post.

Can you point out these Nazi's (other than bumblingmumbling) that this subreddit currently has? Because it appears to me you're creating a strawman now.

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Jews are disproportonately represented in entertainment because Christian prejudice drove them there, and they succeeded, so everyone calls them corrupt and evil. If they'd failed instead, they'd be talking about how stupid and inferior they are.

Being a Jew is a literal catch 22. If you fail, you're scum and a disgrace; if you succeed, you're scum and corrupt. I have no idea how I wake up in the morning sometimes.

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Man, it must be convenient to have anyone who makes you community look bad be fake.

This is a wonderful example of the kind of mental gymnastics I see around here to justify completely unsubstantiated bullshit, like "false flag predictions" - "Oh, no false flag happened...that doesn't mean we were wrong, it means we prevented it by predicting it!"

When you live in a world where NOTHING will disprove your beliefs, you need to rethink your life, because it's sure as shit not based on logic and facts.

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No, I don't.

Am I free to go, Officer, or do you need to see my papers again?

Call out the Sandy Hook truthers on their bullshit:

shill!

Pretty much anything...from jews to fluoride

The government has been getting to reddit a lot lately. A lot of posts and subs involving the government 'disappearing'

And users.

Ill bet theres people tweeting about reddit censorship. Nothing draws a crowd quite like trying to censor something. We should find these tweets and amplify their messages http://twitter.com/search?q=reddit+censor+OR+censors+OR+censored+OR+censoring+OR+censorship+OR+sandy+OR+sandyhookjustice+OR+sandyhook+OR+sandyhoax

Get back to me when this one does.

Please join me here OP, and feel free to post this again, or else I will do it.

www.reddit.com/r/redditlies

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Are you out of your mind?

They did worse with catch the boston bombers.. reddit got a JRTIG DDOS and the sub disappeared. since then the 'we did it reddit meme' is being used to ridicule and deny, distract, degrade and deceive.

Regardless of how completely insane, delusional, offensive, and downright stupid a subreddit about a sandy hook "cover up" must inevitably be, if mods are actively making sure addressees and all other personal information is redacted, and none of those idiots are trying to contact the families of victims, than let them continue their little ridiculous circle jerk.

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Please be a troll.

But...but...the investigators are in on it!!! We need Reddit to uncover the truth!

/u/AssuredlyAThrowAway has made a threat directed toward Admins "Delete a thread in this sub on my watch and we're going to have problems."

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soo...what i'm gathering is an entire sub was deleted because 1 persons opinionated post with information anyone could easily get elsewhere, and 1 person reported it so the entire sub is now gone??

I still haven't even seen anything that wasn't stripped of personal info, so there's that too

If the person who started /r/sandyhookjustice starts a new account, please DM me.

Well it's called fear mongering. Honestly, none of you are helping. Enough with this constant guns kill people bullshit. People make decisions, not guns.

None of you are helping anything, and only perpetuating fear.

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Hes this Generations Lee Harvy Oswald. They cant kill him off anymore without raising more suspician, so they use people with psychosis who dont know anybetter and cant testify.

The gun grabbers were on this with a quickness, that's what made me think twice about it

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2014/01/10/surfing-in-blood-part-1-bloombergs-sandy-hook-quick-response-team/

Less than 24 hours and they already had celebrities ready to go for an anti gun campaign. I don't personally think there's anything crazy about a group of power hungry fucks sitting by and waiting for a psycho to kill some kids. Especially knowing what we know now about how much of our lives are surveiled.

edit: nevermind, that site is dead now. it was scores of FOIA emails between Bloomberg/his people/the media about how to go about convincing americans to give up their guns. if i can find another link i'll post it here

The circle of shills...

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Go to /pol/ everyone. Reddit has been compromised for some time now.

We are waiting for you :)

Someone, use the google snapshot as a reference and Make Another One?!?! If it gets deleted,do it again. Persistence is key to preservation.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/205itt/reddit_has_now_banned_rsandyhookjustice_without/cg012sx

Who should we be forwarding our outrage to?

They're protecting us. Stories that claim things about SH are harmful, the more questions you ask, the more harm you're doing. They've already told us some kid shot up a whole school and even though we've seen zero bodies, that's for our own protection. See... protecting us is their job. Just like 9/11, we need to be protected from questions. Questions are bad. I hope that clears it up for everyone.

We're gonna have to find another outlet for this, guys. Anyone?

You realize subs can be reported. And if said amount of people report the sub, the sub can be deleted without needing explanation right?

Believing Sandy Hook was a coverup weakens your credibility on the real conspiracies that may be taking place. Thank God that subreddit is gone.

"Thank god all of those questions can no longer be asked. Questions are bad. Research is bad. Trust the narrative. Believe in the narrative."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahidiothahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Thanks for adding to the discussion - your insight is invaluable.

You're welcome!

Quick, make another one.

This is depressing, there are real problems in the world. This conspiracy is a big jerk circle. I know I know. How dare I.

Edit: because I swipe.

Someone should make a whole new thread about this and sticky it, this one is ridiculous and has been heavily brigaded.

More than brigaded

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/206qmc/the_sandy_hook_post_was_a_fake_an_operation/

Time to mass message the admins....again

Good luck with that.

they could use some busy work

Doubt they will do anything, but it would be pleasant to be proofed wrong.

I apologize to the mods who have to handle it, but I reported about 25-30 different idiots in here today just based on deragotory posts

I think we should kill anyone who doesn't have a majority opinion. All content and information, from books, television to the internet, should be filtered through government agencies. Like racists, they just need to die off and fade away.

You suck at satire.

I got you to hit the reply button and express your opinion, at least I got that going for me

...well played.

/r/sandyhookjustice has been banned, /r/conspiracy is pretty mad.

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You're getting down voted because rational humans think you may be insane.

Yeah, we all got our comply orders direct from Obama on this one.

Either that or its proof that people disagree with you... Which is more likely?

I downvoted you and I don't work for the government. Hope this puts your mind at rest.

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there are subreddit drama and conspiratard people posting here now lol. aka the people that ARE allowed to brigade without being shadowbanned.

Reddit is a private company. You have no right to free speech.

Just as a store can ask you to leave or refuse you service just because they want to.

Freedom of speech is only legally in public places.

So its OK for a restaurant to refuses service to someone just because they want to discriminate against blacks? Private is like your house. If you open a restaurant and its open to the public, it becomes more of a public than a private place.

No, discrimination is illegal. The restaurant is a bad example. What a restaurant owner can do however is to tell a person or an employee to shut the fuck up if he doesn't like what they're saying. and if they don't comply, the owner could then ask them to leave. He just couldn't it do purely based on race.

So, its wrong to discriminate based on some criteria (like skin color) but ok to discriminate based on other criteria (like the content of speech)?

I dont want black people in my restaurant because they talk about black people things. Im not discriminating against them because they are black, im discriminating because I dont like their conversations.

Sounds legit.

I'm not saying it would be easy to prove discrimination, but yes that is the law. You have it exactly right.

If I got it right, why did I get downvoted and you got upvoted?

Because you are making asinine comparisons. Discrimination based on race does not equal to having the right to post personal information of innocent people because you hold a conspiracy theory.

Nobody posted personal info. I was a subscriber. The sub was deleted because public skepticism is a threat to their agenda driven news. Why is the official story so fragile that it cant stand up to scrutiny?

nope. The links posted there contained personal info of the victim's families.

prove it, liar.

Its known truth dumbass. Are you questioning the truth?

Because it's protecting people from being discriminated for things they have no control over. If you don't see the difference thats the reason I wouldn't want you in my establishment.

Thats where things get interesting with the laws on it.

You can't discriminate on race, color, religion, or national origin.

My example was a little unclear. Lets say you went in to the store and were running around and messing with everything in the store, leaving it messy and being loud; they would have every right to refuse you service and ask you to leave.

But in the case that the censorship being argued against here is not based on any of the protected criteria...The point is still valid that Reddit admins have the legal right to remove it.

Do not take me as condoning the removal though, sadly not much can be done about it. Aside from maybe try to rebuild it either here (being much more careful with what is posted) or hosted some where else.

When a website bases their 230 million dollar valuation on the organic curation of content it is important to hold them accountable to a very high standard when censorship occurs.

You use that word 'censorship' like it's something they're not allowed to do. Mrg13's point is, they are allowed to do it. They can control content on their site however they want.

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You consented when you used the site. In fact it's probably in the TOS somewhere, but I don't care enough to look.

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here ya go!

Yep. Just by creating a user account you 'consented' to play by their rules. Reddit is entirely within their right to censor as they see fit.

The fact that you can even comment is proof enough that you accepted the terms of service. It's not reddit's problem that you didn't read them, you are the one to blame for infringing on terms.

100% wrong.

In a private setting you do not have the right to free speech. All the Declaration entitles is you can create your own website and say whatever you want on it. Likewise, the owners of Reddit can create a website and say and do whatever they want on it, including telling anyone they want to fuck off and kicking them off.

tl;dr You do what you want on your website. Reddit does what it wants on theirs.

We have only those rights we insist on.

Not from a private corporation. Do you think reddit is the government?

some actually do

I just got to those posts in this thread. Holy crap.

I was talking about irl.

So pointless to the conversation then.

Certainly, and their stock valuation will follow suit.

Holding reddit inc to the maxim of the free flow of information, such as to point out their latent hypocrisy, is absolutely prudent.

Don't you censor opinions here? Would that make you part of the problem?

Certainly, and their stock valuation will follow suit.

Lol, is reddit even considering an IPO? More importantly, nobody gives a shit about censorship of incredibly offensive material on reddit, would definitely not impact their valuation.

I doubt that banning a subreddit that is supporting an extremely unpopular opinion, and that had very few subscribers would have any negative effect on their valuation. It's like that whole jail bait incident.

Remember what happened to digg? Used to be an asset valued at $300,000,000 now its just a $10/ year domain registration fee liability

That's not why digg died.

Id be happy to listen to your explanation for the death of digg.

You're right, it was totally the whole not allowing nutcases to harass innocent people in their pursuit of absolutely insane conspiracy theories.

I doubt that banning a subreddit that is supporting an extremely unpopular opinion, and that had very few subscribers would have any negative effect on their valuation. It's like that whole jail bait incident.

whole jail bait incident.

You mean when SA initiated project panda, created /r/preteengirls, spammed it with Child Porn, emailed Anderson Cooper, and then took out VA and PIMA because those two mods knew of the payola going in with regards the NY inner circle. Yea, I remember that too.

Point being that reddit has a precedent of taking down subs that portray an unfavorable image on the site.

Point being that reddit has a precedent of taking down subs that portray an unfavorable image on the site.

Yah got any proof there, buddy?

I got circlejerk milita screenshots from behind the pay wall for days. Including the crucial one wherein they admit to creating and rading /r/ptreteengirls before emailing cooper.

Okay. Could I see them? 'Cause I could say for days that I have videos of the crisis actors admitting that Sandy Hook was a hoax but they don't count for shit if they aren't submitted.

I agree.

I just feel people don't understand the difference between public and private sometimes.

That's because more and more human rights are being encroached upon by private corporations. Shifting the purview of civil rights to protect users against encroaches from private faction is perhaps more important, in our day, than protecting from the over extension of State power.

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Holy shit, go away with this sovereign citizen BS.

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Liberty is one thing, and there are powerful entities on that side enjoying success to that end. Making up your own rules is another thing entirely.

That's because without an enforcement agency to uphold the rights they exist only as maxims. And, as has just been proven, maxims don't mean shit without force behind them.

I don't appreciate that it has come to this, but I'll make due with the hexis we have.

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I must disagree.

As is quite evident with this thread right here, without the threat of reddit inc losing their stock valuation there is no way they can be forced to uphold the maxim of free flowing information.

I'd just prefer that the State provide a forum for redress of grievances of this type; as fearing the state should be the staple of all private enterprise.

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probably because you lack the faith that they exist at all

Or I recognize that in a neo-liberal schema of social cooperation non-monied faction has no standing.

it is the anti-neo liberal paradise of the internet.

Rigged capitalism has wrought the very disease we currently discuss upon this country.

What is evident here is that people will surrender their right to free speech at the drop of a hat.

That I agree with, but I don't know how to inculcate a hexis to stop this without the force of the state in the context of the current epoch of hyper individualization.

Are you suggesting that banning someone who calls the parents of dead children liars will be bad for Reddit's valuation?

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

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Open your eyes.

Its one thing to say something completely outlandish and stupid but when you say things like this it just makes people hate you more.

Even if the admins worked for the government (wtf!) Reddit is not part of the fucking government. Even if you were right, why would they censor some shitty little subreddit and not everywhere and everyone else that is investigating Sandy Hook?

wtf!

Yea, wtf is he on about!

It's not like Reddit's cofounder and current GM run a PR firm with ties to the fucking trapwire people.

So because wikileaks says something it is automatically true? Unverified information, even if you like it, is still unverified information.

Trapwire is a company that has contracts with the government, that doesn't make them the government and it sure as shit doesn't make reddit a part of the fucking government! I'm a little bummed out that I'm even having this conversation.

Welcome to /r/conspiracy, where the most tenuous of connections is solid ground for absolutist statements like "Reddit and its admins work directly for the government".

I think you missed the point or didn't read the emails.

Erik and Alexis run a PR firm and consult with DOD firms. We call this "contracting for the government."

With the recent JTRIG revelations it should be quite clear to you that social media is manipulated; and these firms are certainly involved.

Erik and Alexis run a PR firm and consult with DOD firms. We call this "contracting for the government."

Exactly, you call it contracting for the government, not working for the government.

With the recent JTRIG revelations it should be quite clear to you that social media is manipulated; and these firms are certainly involved.

You mean the revelations that showed no evidence at all that social media was being manipulated?

So when you're under contract to work for someone, you aren't working for them? That's really the argument you're going with?

When I do contract work for an organization I am paid by my employer, not the organization. I am not held accountable to the organization, I am held accountable to my employer. The organization cannot fire me, they cannot change my pay and they don't dictate my hours. I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you understand how contractors work.

You may be fighting a losing battle.

This guy has no idea how everyday business relationships work, I'm not sure he's even capable of being reasoned with.

Why don't you explain to me how someone who's contracted to work for the government isn't working for the government then. While you're at it, explain to me how all contracting work is exactly the same as all other contracting work.

You'll also notice that the guy you were responding to actually ended up agreeing with me.

You may be genuinely retarded.

Brilliant rebuttal. I expected nothing more from you.

Those are complete generalizations and are not true at all in many cases. As the name suggests, contract work involves signing a contract - a contract that can have many different stipulations and a contract which is enforceable by law. It sounds like you may be under the false assumption that whatever contracting work you've done is exactly the same as all other contracting work.

As an obvious example of why you're incorrect, Edward Snowden was a contracted NSA employee - was he not held accountable to them? Could they not have fired him if they wanted to?

I made an assumption just like the OP did. The difference is I was using an example of how he could be wrong, I wasn't proclaiming it as the truth.

What assumption did I make? All I did was point out that "contracting" can mean many different things to many different people/organizations and that you were incorrect in your assertion that your experience with contracted work is exactly the same as everyone else's. These are easily verifiable facts, not assumptions.

Sorry, I meant OP made an assumption. I know you're right and I agree with you.

What assumption did I make?

You assumed that two people who were high level employees at reddit working for another (not-reddit) company that worked with yet another company that worked with the government automatically meant that reddit is entirely run by the government...

Actually, no - I didn't make a single one of those claims. What depths of your asshole did you pull that bullshit out of?

Find where I said that "reddit is entirely run by the government". I'll wait.

In case reading isn't your strong suit (which I suspect it isn't), all of my comments were with regard to the other guy's claim that you aren't working for the government when you're contracted by them - which is completely false.

You'll also note that the other guy ended up agreeing with me in the end anyway. It's a good thing he has you to fight his battles for him, though.

Actually, no - I didn't make a single one of those claims. What depths of your asshole did you pull that bullshit out of?

Find where I said that "reddit is entirely run by the government". I'll wait.

You'll have to forgive me for reaching that conclusion after erehsiputeseht said

That would be true if it wasn't for the fact that Reddit and it's admins work directly for the government.

and your response to someone criticizing the idea was

It's not like Reddit's cofounder and current GM run a PR firm with ties to the fucking trapwire people.

You must have been trying to provide evidence in defense of some other position which you never at any point state for some reason, I'm sure.

In case reading isn't your strong suit (which I suspect it isn't), all of my comments were with regard to the other guy's claim that you aren't working for the government when you're contracted by them - which is completely false.

No, all of your comments after the one I quoted are regarding the debate around whether contracting == working for. The original comment you made was you defending the position that Reddit works directly for the government. "The other guy" made the claim that contracting != working directly in response to your comment defending the position that reddit works directly for the government.

So, just to establish a quick order of events here:

• erehsiputeseht claims reddit is working directly for the government

• anotherdamnsnowflake expresses incredulity at this position

• you respond to anotherdamnsnowflake to defend erehsiputeseht's claim with evidence that two reddit employees work for another company that's worked with another company that's worked for the government

• you and anotherdamnsnowflake get into a spat about the meaning of the term "contracting".

• I point out that your original evidence completely and utterly fails to support erehsiputeseht's claim in the first place

• In the greatest twist of irony, you accuse me of lacking reading comprehension

and your response to someone criticizing the idea was "It's not like Reddit's cofounder and current GM run a PR firm with ties to the fucking trapwire people."

Hahaha you have the wrong guy, my dude. Try reading it again - maybe a little slower this time. That was not me who said that. Go away now.

Whoops, you are correct. I missed where you jumped into the conversation exactly as AssuredlyAThrowAway jumped out. That is indeed my bad for responding to the wrong user.

No harm done man.

So just to make sure I understand, in your mind two reddit employees (high level though they are) working for another company that has worked with another company that has worked with the government is proof that reddit works directly for the government?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha.

second that

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sooper famous.

Wake up, sheeple

YEAH WAKE UP!

Oh god you awoke the sheeple.

I'm pretty sure that reddit is in no way affiliated with the government.

Do you have any "evidence"?

Indeed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

blatantly violating free speech

If you think that anything illegal is going on, why don't you sue them?

Because there's not lol. Private corporations can censor whatever the fuck they want.

Exactly. However that's not what OP is thinking.

Perhaps the conversation would be more productive if we explore why private corporations choose to censor certain information.

Why does reddit hate free speech?

... Lawyers are expensive?

You don't need a lawyer to sue anyone.

I'd say you need one if you want to be successful.

Only Federal areas are guaranteed. Not like it was meant to be, but thats how our shitty court system has ruled. And precedent sets, well, precedent so they don't typically over-rule established rulings on a subject.

You have no freedom of speech here on reddit - I would think its no different than any forum or chat boards with a Terms of Service that can include the 'removal of anything, anytime, for any reason' clause.

Why would content creators choose to continue to contribute time and effort to a website like reddit when they can take their talents elsewhere? Reddit, in and if itself, doesn't create much. Its the community that creates the content, and that content can be created elsewhere. This arbitrary censorship of content creators is what destroyed digg, and it will destroy reddit if it persists. Theres too many alternatives for reddit to feel secure in their position.

I completely agree.

They've got mods on the payroll now, we already know that is a fact,

I must of missed that? Who is on the payroll and what proof is there?

I made /u/mindsequalone look like a fool more than he did so himself, so he grabbed his ball and went home.

The dude was a nutcase.

Your genius knows no equal.

Anyone that thinks SH was a conspiracy is an idiot.

You're 2 for 2 with presenting generalized personal insults without any evidence or argument backing them up. Do you dare go for the hat trick?

No, you need to present evidence to the contrary. There's ZERO proof SH was a conspiracy. That's like me saying I can jump over a house and you believing me without me providing any proof.

In real life we need things like proof because otherwise people could claim anything and there's nothing about SH that suggests anything different and from browsing this subreddit, people only have hunches and conjecture.

There's plenty of proof that the official story is bullshit. Or, said another way, there is no proof that the official story is true.

That's like me saying I can jump over a house and you believing me without me providing any proof.

This would be more like you making an outrageous claim (such as saying you could jump over a house) without any evidence that your claim is true and expecting me to just take you at your word rather than point out the obvious inconsistencies in your claim. You're arguing against yourself and you don't even realize it.

What you're saying is akin to: "You can't say exactly what happened step by step with physical evidence, so therefore the official story is true." That's atrocious logic by any measure.

A true skeptic actually tries to break theories that divert from the generally accepted explanation of a given phenomena, not trying to establish one of any number of possible alternative explanations and scrounge up(tenuous at best) evidence and logical footing to support it.

In this case, if you're truly "open minded", googling "sandy hook <claim> debunked" and read what you find with an open mind. There's a subforum on Metabunk dedicated to Sandy Hook, and they have a thread for most of the popular conspiracy questions.

If you chose to hand-wave it all as propaganda, then your mind is already made up. It's a matter of looking at things objectively and deciding what seems like a more likely explanation(which is essence Occam's razor). The conspiracy narrative for Sandy Hook requires a massive bridge of assumptions that must remain unbroken. It's not supported by physical evidence(if you actually look deeply into the evidence outside of conspiracy sites), and the logic sure as hell doesn't support it.

So what evidence, specifically, has convinced you that the MSM narrative is true?

"The conspiracy narrative", as you put it, is that the official story is bullshit - period. I think that's about the only thing anyone knows for sure and can agree on. There is no "official conspiracy narrative" - not sure where you got that idea from.

So what evidence, specifically, has convinced you that the MSM narrative is true?

See, my default position with something of this nature is credulity. That's not to say I'm not a skeptic of "official" stories, I'm just not of the mind that there is a larger overarching conspiracy by <some powerful, near omnipotent entity> to do <something evil>. That seems to be a prerequisite for believing in a lot of conspiracies.

I've seen the questions and (what passes for) evidence presented by the conspiracy community. I've also seen all of them categorically debunked on various places around the Internet.

But that isn't what's really sunk the conspiracy narrative for me. If we give some thought to the logic behind what you're suggesting, that's where it really falls apart. We must make a slew of contradictory assumptions to hold up the idea that there is a conspiracy here:

• The government wants our guns
• They are willing to stage an event of this nature to pull it off instead of just going about taking them anyways(given the presumption that they do what they want)
• They didn't make the event much worse to ensure that it succeeds in shaping public opinion
• They are capable of doing so in the public eye without a hitch.... but hire amateurs which the methodical, oh-so-rigorously skeptical conspiracy community sees right through
• They did no research into whether such an event would have the intended effect of astroturfing support for gun control(it didn't, in fact, the opposite effect by orders of magnitude)

There is no "official conspiracy narrative" - not sure where you got that idea from.

By "conspiracy narrative" I mean the idea that there is a conspiracy here at all. I'm not sure where you got "official" though. However, the most common one is that it was staged in order to promote gun control. I haven't seen any other explanation that even begins to hold some faint sense of legitimacy than that.

So you aren't going to tell me which evidence lead you to believe the official story then? You believe the MSM narrative because you don't believe there was a conspiracy? That's the logic?

Well, there's the mountain of evidence that supports the commonly held explanation. It's funny, if you look at debunking forums on the subject they've pulled together far more detailed information about Sandy Hook itself, the municipality, their police, school system, the families, etc, than any conspiracy site I've seen(including /r/sandyhookjustice).

But if we hand-wave that away as all part of the propaganda effort, then we're left with the broken logic. Either way, the conspiracy narrative does not hold water.

We aren't talking about the "conspiracy narrative", we're talking about the official one and why you believe it. You keep saying there's a "mountain of evidence" to support it but you won't list any of said evidence. Stop changing the subject and tell me what evidence convinced you that the official story was true. I'd like to see it - maybe my mind would be changed.

The funny thing is I haven't changed the subject once! I've explained, in detail, why I remain credulous of the so-called "official" story(even though it isn't official in any sense). In short, it's the much more rational explanation. It satisfies Occam's razor much more readily. The "evidence" and "questions" I've seen to the contrary fall apart quite easily under scrutiny.

If you want specific articles of evidence, you can start with looking for the recently released information from the investigation. There are threads here on reddit with the crime scene reports and photos. Details of Lanza's life and online activity were also released. As I mentioned in my previous post, looking at debunking forums is a good idea as well since they(at least, in my experience) do a much better job of gathering readily verifiable and detailed information about something than conspiracy sites do. I'm not sure if that's because most conspiracists are not that adept at using the Internet for research or they choose to ignore information that makes the conspiracy narrative seem even more unlikely than it already is, but the fact remains that in the effort of disproving a particular assertion they do a really good job of finding information to support their arguments.

ah the old faith in authority .. that'll keep food on the table - but at what cost?

I'm sorry but, what?

you believe based on credulity of authority. keep the faith brother.

It's like you stopped reading after the first sentence.

I stopped reading at your username

Okay, thank you for your time.

Provide me with proof to the contrary. A guy laughing on TV is not proof. I want actual proof and there is none.

If you want to claim that such a tragedy was fabricated, you best bring your cards to the table, because I've been making fools of people who say SH is a conspiracy for a while now, because there simply is no proof to the contrary. SH was not a conspiracy.

Provide you with proof that there was no shooting? How do you suppose I would do that (if there was no shooting, there would obviously be no proof of one)?

Shouldn't we first have proof that there was a shooting? Shouldn't the "official narrative" stand up to scrutiny and not be full of holes, anomalies, inconsistencies, lies, omissions, etc.?

You think there was no shooting? Are you serious? How could you arrive at that claim? Were you there? Unless you were there or knew people who were there, which wouldn't even make sense since there were lots of witnesses who survived.

There are documented pictures of the shooting all over. There's A LOT of proof that there was one. I have no idea how you could say there wasn't one.

What are the "holes, anomalies, inconsistencies, lies, omissions" that you speak of? Some people on here tried to say that the shooter's DNA wasn't found on the gun and I proved them wrong.

Nice ninja edit up there, man - you're pretty slick.

"documented pictures of the shooting all over"

Like where? I haven't seen a single picture of Adam in or around the school. Not a single picture of a body or blood of any kind. No spent shell casings in the school (there should have been well over 100 of them so they should've been easy to find).

Let me ask you this: what actual proof led you to believe that the official story of events was true? We all know that our government and news media lie to us constantly and have been for hundreds of years (thousands if you go back before the great US of A was established), so you must have some pretty rock solid proof that a shooting took place. I'm sure you wouldn't be so mindless as to just take the MSM's word for it so what proof, specifically, led you to side with the MSM version of events?

find me a picture of lanza either shooting his way into the front window, or walking through the hallways with his equipment

no blood, no bodies - just lanza in the building

we have videos of columbine and it was 15 years ago

there is NO evidence that proves anyone died or that lanza was there at all

what piece or pieces of evidence make you 100% certain that what officials said was true? i won't argue them - i just want to know what is so convincing, because i haven't seen it, and i would love to