Faceshovel, the user who has spent the last 14 hours defending the emails, created his account on February 17th, the SAME day the Ukrainian Crisis started.
I just want to point out that there's a possibility that things can work in reverse. People have been known to create accounts specifically to submit comments that are easily debunked by another account or comments that make the community look bad.
If you want to sway opinion it's easy to argue with yourself while adhering to your own talking points...
Dudes entire strategy:Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works
He's been asked multiple times and hasn't responded. He only continues with his argument that since we can't prove the emails are fake, they must be true. Disregarding the fact that headers don't PROVE or DISPROVE an email. I'm not even saying they're fake, I'm merely saying they could be, yet he keeps going and going and going saying they ARE authentic, with no proof. Then someone else pointed out that his account was made right when the Ukrainian crisis started. Yet nobody is questioning anything.
faceshovel is being stalked and now harassed in this post. reddit is sirius busnsssss. lol
get over it guys. geesh. so lame. such a low effort post.
so the emails are fake but you're certain hes a shill. this is brilliant!
Im going to time how long it takes for the tard and srd brigade to bury this comment...... aaaand go! lets see how good you guys are.
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edit: 11 minutes :/ and an upvote? thanks guise! maybe this will help show others how rustyboy is just another nutjob with an insane theory.
I hate how r/conspiracy has turned into people complaining about voting. Always with the 'O look im being downvoted' Shut the FUCK UP, and just say what you think without having to try to play the victim card.
I can assure you, there was no witch hunt, there was no group of people waiting to downvote you, the simple fact that you said something as stupid as bringing up votes, or brigades leads to being downvoted by normal people like me. Its a self fulfilling prophecy for both sides, the ultra conspiricy dudes, and the anti-conspiricy dudes.
"And now this thread is getting buried. I'm shocked."
"Im going to time how long it takes for the tard and srd brigade to bury this comment...... aaaand go! lets see how good you guys are."
Two guys from opposite subreddits, one a r/conspiricy one a r/conspirtard. Yet you both receive downvotes, not because of brigades or censorship, but because you both sound like idiots.
Edit: This was in response to ShillofDefiance telling me that I said they were fake (when I said the opposite). I wonder why he chose to delete his comment :/.
oh noes, not the downvote brigades! my precious karma....
youre attaking me now? is this all you do around here? so lame. then again you post in our friendly /r/conspiratard and /r/subredditdrama so Im not surprised to find this kind of garbage leaking in here from over there. anyways good witchhunting, I hope you catch the guy? wat
Dude, log out, go to a different browser. It's number 11 on the front page right now. At this point are you just spouting bullshit or do you really think anyone believes you?
oh well, this is pretty lame. Im leaving dont forget to take your meds, you sound like a nutjob your friends like to talk about so much. and take off that tinfoil you look like an infatuated insane person. typical conspiratard lol
oh ya, GoyzIIMensch said this is a witch hunt in this post too. you should probably make a post about him.
Also, would love for you to explain how he's been stalked. He's had very weird behavior and I wanted some questions answered, he wouldn't so I wanted to bring it to the attention of the community.
Edit: Incase anyone wants to know what this comment was, it was pretty much what ShillOfDefiance just posted again but changed it a little because he thinks he's being brigaded, and not just for his beautiful additions to the conversation.
he thinks there are real people here! these are not the sockpuppet brigades you are looking for..... lol
I deleted my comment and made a new new as explained, its an experiment since youre a conspiritard I imagine you bring your equally insane friends with you to help out this nutjob cause :D
still shocked? we did it! hooray for the with hunt! good luck buddy. the tards are rooting for you over in our sub. faceshovel must suffer for his insolence! grrr.....
Probably Faceshovel WAS acting extremely odd all day and the timing of his account is suspect and in this context it is something the community should see. But your guess is as good as mine.
Please do not; Follow those who are rabble rousing against another redditor without first investigating both sides of the issue that's being presented. Those who are inciting this type of action often have malicious reasons behind their actions and are, more often than not, a troll. Remember, every time a redditor who's contributed large amounts of effort into assisting the growth of community as a whole is driven away, projects that would benefit the whole easily flounder.
That seems a little unfair. I brought nobody over here. I made no brigade posts. Why does my thread get pulled when it actually has a good point? Many many other people in this community have taken an issue with faceshovels behavior and find his circular logic to be odd at best and straight trolling at worst. I'm submitting mod messages about all the community members here who have personally attacked me.
And his behavior. He's acting crazier than the conspiratard who trolled this sub just a couple days ago. His logic is so bad that he must be trolling. The fact that he refuses to listen to ANYONE and keeps repeating himself over and over is another weird behavior. The date of his account creation is just one of the many weird things about him. But again, you can believe what you want. Read his posts, read his logic, make your own conclusions.
It can sound like attacking to you, it doesn't to me. I told you my evidence. You can agree with it or not. It's not my issue whether you personally, out of this whole community, believes it. I just wanted the issue brought up since he was the main distributor of that information.
If you want me to link to multiple accounts where he was given solid information on whether emails were valid or not and came back with extremely childish remarks, I can point you to several of those. Although just perusing his account history should be enough to show you that.
10 - Posts that attack this sub, users or mods thereof, will be removed. Accusing another user of being a troll or shill can be viewed as an attack, depending on context. Repeat offenders are subject to a ban.
edit: whatch out kids, it's gonna rain downvotes! no worries, this post will be removed soon enough. can't beat 'em, make a post about 'em.
It says it can be viewed as an attack. I don't believe that means that an accusation is automatically an attack. The accused user has the opportunity to defend himself.
No, but a 25 day old account with 20 comments and -9 karma (meaning most of them were deemed useless by the community) says something to me. Maybe not to you, but to me it does. I don't think someone with 3000 karma has more credibility than someone with 80 karma. But like I said, that's not exactly the situation.
I feel that Karma works a lot like money. Sometimes its a useful indicator and sometimes its value is misplaced. Karma + personal critical judgement = subjective value.
I don't believe I have anything to do with this witch hunt, other than pointing out that the accused user should be aware of it so that he can defend himself. Who are you talking about that's being stalked?
Can be viewed as an attack. That's up to the mods. I think this is an actual question that more people should be aware of. I think considering the context this is very appropriate.
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4 NameTaken410 2014-03-13
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-1 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
ohhhhhhhhhhhh snap its on now. fight fight fight!
grabs popcorn
1 tft2 2014-03-13
We don't even need r/conspiratard for the drama anymore!
-4 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
our takeover plan is almost complete. muahahahaha
holy shit downvoted in 20 seconds. your bot is good!
1 tft2 2014-03-13
Whose bot?
-1 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
Shhhhhhhh.....
2 Balthanos 2014-03-13
I just want to point out that there's a possibility that things can work in reverse. People have been known to create accounts specifically to submit comments that are easily debunked by another account or comments that make the community look bad.
If you want to sway opinion it's easy to argue with yourself while adhering to your own talking points...
1 BAckwaterRifle 2014-03-13
Dudes entire strategy:Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works
1 Ocolus_the_bot 2014-03-13
/u/Faceshovel supported a conspiracy that /r/conspiracy has decided as false. He "created his account on February 17th, the SAME day the Ukrainian Crisis started." Time for a witch hunt.
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Upvotes: 42 | Downvotes: 24 | Timestamp of this thread.
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0 [deleted] 2014-03-13
I think it's only fair that /u/faceshovel have the opportunity to come defend himself.
3 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
He's been asked multiple times and hasn't responded. He only continues with his argument that since we can't prove the emails are fake, they must be true. Disregarding the fact that headers don't PROVE or DISPROVE an email. I'm not even saying they're fake, I'm merely saying they could be, yet he keeps going and going and going saying they ARE authentic, with no proof. Then someone else pointed out that his account was made right when the Ukrainian crisis started. Yet nobody is questioning anything.
-5 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
faceshovel is being stalked and now harassed in this post. reddit is sirius busnsssss. lol get over it guys. geesh. so lame. such a low effort post. so the emails are fake but you're certain hes a shill. this is brilliant!
Im going to time how long it takes for the tard and srd brigade to bury this comment...... aaaand go! lets see how good you guys are.
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edit: 11 minutes :/ and an upvote? thanks guise! maybe this will help show others how rustyboy is just another nutjob with an insane theory.
3 IhateourLives 2014-03-13
I hate how r/conspiracy has turned into people complaining about voting. Always with the 'O look im being downvoted' Shut the FUCK UP, and just say what you think without having to try to play the victim card.
-3 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
fo reals! what the hell is wrong with people
2 IhateourLives 2014-03-13
I can assure you, there was no witch hunt, there was no group of people waiting to downvote you, the simple fact that you said something as stupid as bringing up votes, or brigades leads to being downvoted by normal people like me. Its a self fulfilling prophecy for both sides, the ultra conspiricy dudes, and the anti-conspiricy dudes.
"And now this thread is getting buried. I'm shocked."
"Im going to time how long it takes for the tard and srd brigade to bury this comment...... aaaand go! lets see how good you guys are."
Two guys from opposite subreddits, one a r/conspiricy one a r/conspirtard. Yet you both receive downvotes, not because of brigades or censorship, but because you both sound like idiots.
-7 [deleted] 2014-03-13
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2 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Is English your first language? Maybe it's not.
Edit: This was in response to ShillofDefiance telling me that I said they were fake (when I said the opposite). I wonder why he chose to delete his comment :/.
-5 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
oh noes, not the downvote brigades! my precious karma....
youre attaking me now? is this all you do around here? so lame. then again you post in our friendly /r/conspiratard and /r/subredditdrama so Im not surprised to find this kind of garbage leaking in here from over there. anyways good witchhunting, I hope you catch the guy? wat
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2 [deleted] 2014-03-13
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-1 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
hey sleuth, this post was removed lol #sadface
so whos your next victim now? must....debunk...conspiracies....
2 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
This post is still on the front page... I also like how in his private PM to me he used the word "Witch Hunt" which you've used, and no one else has.
-2 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
if it quacks like a duck, genius. Its not hard. its on the front page to you but invisible to everyone else. lol
is your conspiracy theory the one where Im faceshovel? you should totally make a post about it.
3 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Dude, log out, go to a different browser. It's number 11 on the front page right now. At this point are you just spouting bullshit or do you really think anyone believes you?
0 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
oh well, this is pretty lame. Im leaving dont forget to take your meds, you sound like a nutjob your friends like to talk about so much. and take off that tinfoil you look like an infatuated insane person. typical conspiratard lol
oh ya, GoyzIIMensch said this is a witch hunt in this post too. you should probably make a post about him.
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
He said it wasn't one... in response to you... Bye.
2 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Also, would love for you to explain how he's been stalked. He's had very weird behavior and I wanted some questions answered, he wouldn't so I wanted to bring it to the attention of the community.
Edit: Incase anyone wants to know what this comment was, it was pretty much what ShillOfDefiance just posted again but changed it a little because he thinks he's being brigaded, and not just for his beautiful additions to the conversation.
-2 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
he thinks there are real people here! these are not the sockpuppet brigades you are looking for..... lol
I deleted my comment and made a new new as explained, its an experiment since youre a conspiritard I imagine you bring your equally insane friends with you to help out this nutjob cause :D
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
And now this thread is getting buried. I'm shocked.
0 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
still shocked? we did it! hooray for the with hunt! good luck buddy. the tards are rooting for you over in our sub. faceshovel must suffer for his insolence! grrr.....
Edit: bold text am i doing this right?
0 IhateourLives 2014-03-13
Of course this comment has to be in here, I getting sick of this shit so much.
0 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
When I said it, it was like 5/6 at the very beginning. Sorry to sicken you so much.
0 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
no worries friend, you sicken all of us. no one feels left out.
I only hope you post more here, this layout is way better than the one conspiritard uses :D
0 tft2 2014-03-13
Why are the mods allowing this?
0 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Probably Faceshovel WAS acting extremely odd all day and the timing of his account is suspect and in this context it is something the community should see. But your guess is as good as mine.
1 tft2 2014-03-13
He's IS unusually aggressive towards anything he perceives as dissent, but so are a lot of others here. And on the internet, in general.
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
His account is only 24 days old. You know his posting patterns by now?
0 tft2 2014-03-13
I don't know. Account age isn't that reliable. Mine is only 17 days old, but I've been here over four years.
0 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2014-03-13
Rediquette suggests the following;Please do not; Follow those who are rabble rousing against another redditor without first investigating both sides of the issue that's being presented. Those who are inciting this type of action often have malicious reasons behind their actions and are, more often than not, a troll. Remember, every time a redditor who's contributed large amounts of effort into assisting the growth of community as a whole is driven away, projects that would benefit the whole easily flounder.The other side is here.Upon further reflection, this thread has been pulled because the tards can't keep it in their pants. The other thread will be pulled as well.
2 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
That seems a little unfair. I brought nobody over here. I made no brigade posts. Why does my thread get pulled when it actually has a good point? Many many other people in this community have taken an issue with faceshovels behavior and find his circular logic to be odd at best and straight trolling at worst. I'm submitting mod messages about all the community members here who have personally attacked me.
1 [deleted] 2014-03-13
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0 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
geesus, keep it in your pants man. stop whining about it.
idea: make a post about it. that'll teach those pesky mods about disrupting your witch hunt >:(
oooooooooor, post in /r/conspiratard about it. free glorious karma circlejerky goodness for all...
-2 joseph177 2014-03-13
This bickering is polluting the sub. Your basis for the attack is when the account was created?
2 IhateourLives 2014-03-13
The bickering and the constant need to play victim cause 'look at the downvotes' or 'looks like this post is gonna get buried'.
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
And his behavior. He's acting crazier than the conspiratard who trolled this sub just a couple days ago. His logic is so bad that he must be trolling. The fact that he refuses to listen to ANYONE and keeps repeating himself over and over is another weird behavior. The date of his account creation is just one of the many weird things about him. But again, you can believe what you want. Read his posts, read his logic, make your own conclusions.
0 joseph177 2014-03-13
Sounds a lot like attacking without any supporting evidence. Evidence?
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
It can sound like attacking to you, it doesn't to me. I told you my evidence. You can agree with it or not. It's not my issue whether you personally, out of this whole community, believes it. I just wanted the issue brought up since he was the main distributor of that information.
If you want me to link to multiple accounts where he was given solid information on whether emails were valid or not and came back with extremely childish remarks, I can point you to several of those. Although just perusing his account history should be enough to show you that.
0 joseph177 2014-03-13
Okay well other than starting shit you have nothing.
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
In your opinion, which you are welcome to have. I whole heartedly disagree with you and say you're wrong.
-5 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
he is anonymous. he is legion. expect him lol
sorry couldn't resist. this post is just pure gold. I had to stop browsing conspiritard and come back you guys get more insane by the minute.
-5 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
edit: whatch out kids, it's gonna rain downvotes! no worries, this post will be removed soon enough. can't beat 'em, make a post about 'em.
2 [deleted] 2014-03-13
It says it can be viewed as an attack. I don't believe that means that an accusation is automatically an attack. The accused user has the opportunity to defend himself.
-6 ShillofDefiance 2014-03-13
this is a nice little witch hunt you guys got going. I hope you realize that. who would be insane enough to engage you after being stalked?
5 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Whatever ShillofDefiance, 25 day old account with your -9 comment karma and like 20 comments. Whatever you say.
0 [deleted] 2014-03-13
Are upvotes now sought out as credibility? hahahh
2 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
No, but a 25 day old account with 20 comments and -9 karma (meaning most of them were deemed useless by the community) says something to me. Maybe not to you, but to me it does. I don't think someone with 3000 karma has more credibility than someone with 80 karma. But like I said, that's not exactly the situation.
0 Haxford 2014-03-13
I feel that Karma works a lot like money. Sometimes its a useful indicator and sometimes its value is misplaced. Karma + personal critical judgement = subjective value.
-1 [deleted] 2014-03-13
I don't believe I have anything to do with this witch hunt, other than pointing out that the accused user should be aware of it so that he can defend himself. Who are you talking about that's being stalked?
2 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Just fyi, thanks for doing that but I also told him myself. He stopped responding to me after I told him that this thread was made.
1 Rusty5hackleford 2014-03-13
Can be viewed as an attack. That's up to the mods. I think this is an actual question that more people should be aware of. I think considering the context this is very appropriate.