I think it's bots. It's too consistent.

Unless there are 10-20 accounts who just sit here refreshing the new queue repeatedly and downvoting everything. And if that's the case, dare I suggest that no sane person would spend their time doing something like that unless they were being compensated in some way.

Definitely bots. Which is why I asked above how they were dealt with. If they were shadow banned I'd be surprised if the bot operators noticed that quickly unless they are using many, many accounts and the few bans handed out did nothing.

Assuming bots, it could, in theory just be one user running many simultaneously.

The problem with the whole thing is that creating a bot doesn't require a legit account. No matter how many accounts are banned, they can just create new ones, link the bots to them, rinse and repeat.

I like the idea someone had the other day about requiring a comment before you can up or downvote. That's abou the only thing I can think of that might actually mitigate the problem.

That sounds like it may work. We might see more comments like "this" etc but maybe those can be deleted. It might lead to more meaningful discussion.

Another nifty thing would be the ability to see who voted how on a story. If that's even possible.

People simply saying "this" and downvoting everything, can easily tell it's a bot and ban them.

The user would have to be running the bots from different IP addresses.

That's certainly not impossible, but raises the bar from "dude in his basement" to "dude who manages many computers."

Reddit will discard votes from multiple accounts coming from the same IP address.

You only need 1 computer. There are ways to change your IP

Is that true? I've never heard that before about them ignoring subsequent votes coming from one IP.

Yes, this is true. I learned about it when I was an active new-queue spam reporter a couple years ago.

Yes, and you can see it for yourself. If you create 10 accounts, and use each of the ten to upvote (or downvote) a single post, the vote fuzzing will show and you'll end up with a total of something like 10/9, even though all you did was upvote.

There's a little more than just IP address, as obviously a large corporation will have many reddit users coming out of one public IP, and they wouldn't want to discard all of those votes.

But using IP address and other identifying information, Reddit knows what handles map to a single machine, and in some circumstances, to a single person (from multiple machines.)

The vote filter is pretty sophisticated in order to help prevent brigading by a single person.

Now do the same thing but wait 5 minutes between accounts and your votes register normally without fuzzing. Sorry, but you are wrong.

The spam filter is adaptive. Obvious attempts to rig it are already covered, but yes, it can be deceived in this way.

On the day of this post, the /new queue had items in it that were 10-15 minutes old with 10-15 downvotes. You won't be able to do that with a single machine. That has to be done with separate accounts, from separate source IPs.

Unless your accounts have already been flagged as brigaders, you will be able to register multiple votes on a single item if the votes come in a time period that is less frequent than than the average vote period.

For example, if a post in the /new queue of /r/conspiracy historically gets 1 vote every three minutes, you will not be able to brigade it with a single machine faster than 1 vote every three minutes. The filter will pick up on an irregular number of votes in an average time period. Your accounts will then be flagged and future attempts will fail.

So yes, one vote every five minutes probably won't get you flagged, but that won't make much progress on brigading a post, either.

You wasted your time writing that. All I said was that an IP filter doesn't exist that always blocks votes from the same IP(or even MAC address for that matter, even though no one said it). I'm not talking about the ability to brigade or anything else. Just that a strick IP filter doesn't exist like claimed.

Well if that's what you understand then a seemingly random guy on the Internet won't change your mind.

You admitted it yourself: a strict IP filter that filters ALL votes from the same address regardless of timing does not exist. It is more nuanced than that. I already made my point and you agreed to it. So I don't see what there is to argue.

OK, one more comment.

There's a little more than just IP address

I'm not sure I used the term strict anywhere, but you're right, I didn't add context to the IP filtering, although I suggested it's not simply IP based.

IPs cause fuzzing when votes arrive within a range of time variance. When votes arrive within this range from unique IPs they are allowed. When they arrive from the same IP they are fuzzed.

Outside the range all votes are fuzzed.

Hell- you can use RES in conjunction with a cookie/local storage cleaning extension

So this guy's comment, where he says he uses sock puppet accounts to personally vote brigade is completely false?

As I said before, unless he has access to multiple IP addresses, his efforts are nullified by the vote filters.

It's just interesting that he would make that claim and waste his time doing all of that if it wasn't going to have any effect.

He may not realize that his votes are filtered since they are fuzzed on his end.

He also, after having admitted being a troll, may just be trolling for effect and not actually trying to affect votes.

Technically, it is easy to have a lot of bots on different ips that automatically go to a new ip if they are banned, or shaddow banned. Even if I did not run a botnet to do this, I could legitimately use the resources of a large hosting company to do this, it would cost about $5/month a bot

Edit: Why the downvotes ? I was telling the simple truth ? Did anyone human downvote me ?

Considering the fact that there are 2-3 'tard users who do nothing but repost links from here all day long i don't think it's that big of a stretch to think they along with a few friends downvote everything here during the same time period.

Facebook employs click farms in Philippines, Malaysia, and India to garner "likes". It would be pretty easy for an entity like the Koch Bros, for example, to throw some cash at some cheap "downvote farms" as well. Is it possible to pay a group of 20 people in India $30 dollars a day to just hit the recycle button on r/conspiracy/new and hit downvote? Piece of cake.

There are also some bots involved as well.

Yep, definitely possible - I'd even say probable based on what we know. I just don't see it as something a few "trolls" would waste their time doing. It seems too coordinated, widespread, and consistent for that.

Doesn't everything on here seem too coordinated, widespread, and consistent?

Not sure what you mean by that.

dare I suggest that no sane person would spend their time doing something like that unless they were being compensated in some way.

Guys, guys, guys JTRIG, was posted on the front page of /r/conspiracy a week ago. There are actual people who do this.

I don't know why people still laugh at this stuff. Even israel pays kids to post pro-israel stuff online these days.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

Same the Russians do it too, I believe it is called the "Russian Business Network".

edit:Source

I know the US has somewhat admitted it also. if you look at the sub /r/MilitaryConspiracy you can see "evidence" of it.

Reddit admitted it too... Eglin AFB was the top reddit-user

Would it be possible for up votes and down votes to get switched without a user knowing? Like say they up vote something and it shows they did from their end, but it gets registered as a down vote. So people would think they're up voting when they really aren't. Because I've seen a lot of posts on here that get down voted a ridiculous amount and I can't believe why anyone would do so. I'm not very tech savvy is this regards so I'm not sure if that's even possible, but it's an idea.

-4 points? why down vote without a reason? if you didn't like someone's opinion then why not just ignore it?

That article is very well-written, very damning, and does not deserve 10 downvotes in /r/conspiracy after mere minutes!

not to mention that very few legit posters here would downvote it in the first place

not to mention that very few legit posters here would downvote it in the first place

This! Fucking this! With regards to everything.

Fucking exactly. Check out my submission last night: http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/222o67/you_guys_see_this_debunking_of_the_vaccine/

I mean, what would the reason be for a legitimate /r/conspiracy user to downvote that... My post is about how someone could post dozens and dozens of claims, provide just a couple sources and yet get bestofed, while anything we post here needs a thousand sources to even be deemed close to legitimate.

Because doctors say so and everybody knows doctors are right and could not possibly be bribed or bought...

I think the obvious difference is that instead of posting in a subreddit frequently accused of anti-semitism and censorship of any contrary ideas (while championing itself as a bastion of free speech) with a population of less than a quarter million users and less than a thousand users at a time you're posting to subs that have upwards of 3 million users (one of which is a default sub) and more than 3 thousand people active at a time.

That and your differences aren't that significant. Particularly because your sample size (in terms of total votes) is so small, individual votes appear to have a greater effect overall without any serious differences. for example:

• example one has a difference of 2 votes for to 1 vote in opposition
• example two has a difference of 2 votes for to 5 votes in opposition
• example three has a difference of 3 votes for to 2 votes in opposition

for the majority of your examples then, there is a cumulative variance of only a single vote, and your largest variance has only a value of 3. From a statistical analysis standpoint, you simply lack enough evidence to make a credible case for clear brigading due to your tiny sample size. However if I had to make an analysis, the odds of this being a brigade are less than 15 percent or so (you can see how the small sample size is skewing my results, as anyone who's familiar with statistics is used to working with much larger differences, in the 90%s typically)

You also fail to account for the myriad of other variables that affect success with regards to a post. Timing is a critical one, which you have failed to notate here in the example you present. Also random chance is a major part, which covers the attitudes and types of people viewing (something which may not vary if you submitted them as a bunch i.e. all on the same tuesday at the same time, or if you submitted them at consistent times...for example every monday at 4pm for a three week period, when the same group of people in general would be browsing this sub) as well as a bunch of other random factors.

tl;dr your statistical analysis sucks. Take a bigger sample size to get clearer results. Upwards of 30 datapoints are typically necessary to eliminate the random noise of an experiment.

While your verbose explanation contains a lot of language to sound reasonable, it overlooks something significant. A larger subreddit (frontpage type) should have more total votes. The fact that a smaller subreddit is showing more votes and with most of them being downvotes is quite significant, and you simply buried that fact in less relevant information.

tl;dr: talking about statistical analysis that sucks.

Click on "new" on this sub. Observe the downvotes.

Click on "new" for any other sub of roughly equivalent size. Observe the downvotes.

The difference between the two will be obvious and quite large.

a subreddit frequently accused of anti-semitism

I notice you were very careful with your word choice here, probably because you know the accusations are simply that and aren't really based on anything of substance.

Well I mean, I didn't want to bring up facts because those tend to get you banned around here

btw, that user posts in subredditdrama, shitredditsays & conspiritard.

Can you describe in further detail your motivations for coming here?

Yea: Logical analysis is how we conclude reasonably on topics we form hypotheses about. This, logically speaking, lacks the proper sample size to be quantifiable, and requires more testing before a conclusion can be reached.

Clearly, however, OP and many in this thread are going with what they feel ignoring that logically this proves nothing due to the small sample size. Not to mention reddit has a vote fuzzing algorithm, meaning that even what you see with RES isn't always accurate. Yet despite this people are jumping to conclusions.

I looked through /new and it's pretty obvious that there is some brigading going on. No other /new queue looks like that.

But I'd like to point out that there are two possibilities here. Obviously the first possibility (and most likely imo) is that there is a a group of users who intentionally down vote posts in /new. It's not one person using multiple handles, because that would not have the same effect. It must be multiple unique accounts (from different source IPs.)

However, the same result could occur from a user or users running multiple accounts from the same machine trying to vote /new posts UP. The vote fuzzer will detect that and apply downvotes for each brigaded upvote. The fuzzer is actually more interested in brigaded upvotes than it is downvotes, for obvious reasons.

So if any /r/conspiracy folks are trying to brigade UP votes, you might be causing more harm than good.

I don't understand why reddit doesn't subtract positive karma when you vote. For the first few months I assumed that was the case and never voted. I still rarely vote, I have creddits too that I never spend because reddit users are a really dull bunch, only being entertaining seven words at a time.

Its like going to a house party where everyone has been friends forever and no actual communication happens, everyone just repeats movie quotes and memes.

So that explains why my post didn't take off :/

I'd say bots.

Simple programs written to scan submissions and downvote away. User names inserted into them and also whole subreddits.

I think this is a serious issue as if it can be done to /r/conspiracy it can be done anywhere.

What about what TRP does? they restrict votes and comments using rules of community.

I do not think trolling of any kind should be allowed here, it muddies the water too much. Like troll posts should get /u/ immediately banned.

Or I would go the other way, that there is so much requirement of anonymity with reddit and so many ways to game the system, that there can be no sensible discussion of conspiracies here as the entire system of reddit is itself a conspiracy.

The only things we know about the actual conspiracies are because professionals and investigators have put their actual names and reputations on the line(not usernames, but actual names). I trust Michael Ruppert, Julian Assange, Snowden, Ted Gunderson, Max Blumenthal, because I am compelled to believe that their person would not be corrupted.

A username could be easily corrupted at any time, the person behind the veil could be anyone with any objectives.

This problem though is not just some silly reddit thing, networked computers give the ability for pure democratic speech and vote tallying, but only if these cheap tricks for gaming the system can be prevented.

bitcoin is onto something with a decentralized time-based community encryption algorithm, that does verify the owner of a coins identity, and along these lines there is a way to determine if any user on any site is who they say they are.

You will find the authoritarians and people who benefit by the current illegitimate election methods doing everything in their power to keep all online communities, including bitcoin, unstable, lest their power be challenged with a true alternative.

We have the tech to revolutionize government and demonstrate how illegitimate the powers of the world are, either we get into that fight here or we admit defeat and take our ideas and evidence elsewhere.

plox excuse double post

downvotes no responses? weak but typical

You must pay 1 (one) Satoshi to make this post.

I'm guessing it is bots. I don't know who would care enough to program a bot to downvote everything in a whole subreddit.

I do.

Its really easy to make a bot that handles this, takes about 20 minutes of effort and a reddit account.

well if the admins just dished out a few sub bans without digging into onlinetimes/ips etc then sure, they will just bounce right back. they're probably bots anyways. how else can you downvote a new topic within seconds all day and night

The easy way to fix this issue, imo, would be to attatch user names to all votes. This would make voting brigades and bots instantly identifiable.

The are control freaks never going to"let that" happened, idea is a good one though, but they always have a plan B work around no matter what is thrown at them. I'm kinda surprised they let the up hover around 70% so far.

I wonder who these "problem users" are/were.

Every post on the new queue from the last half hour has 10+ downvotes.

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Who's false outrage?

it's interesting that people "care" so much about the topics discussed in this subreddit to have a "bot" down vote things. I think the regular readers here, know to always check the "new" stuff and form their own opinions. It's obvious the topics in here (for the most part) touch on the truth that people do not want known or discussed.

It's interesting, but not surprising.

Look at how much effort the Democrats put into scrubbing the default subreddits of so much news about the Obama administration shitting on liberal voters. Look at the military propaganda, and see how much negative attention you get from negative posts about the US military. (Remember "That's not a child, that's a dog.")

With reddit the way it is, it probably costs less than a single TV infomercial.

every new post at or below zero, all day long.

it's got to be a bot. what would you have to look for in the technical data to recognize it?

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They look at the logs.

No they don't. Logs don't show that.

Sorry, but votes are anonymous on this website. This isn't facebook.

Sorry, but votes are anonymous on this website.

They are anonymous from your perspective, but not from admin's.

Admins are different than a mod.

Mods don't have access to see who upvoted or downvoted something.

Nobody has said anything about moderators.

Just pointing out the difference for casual readers, as it is easy to mix the two terms up.

OK, yes, people do get the terminology mixed up. And if /u/-10- thinks we're talking about moderators, then sure, it's anonymous to them. But it absolutely is not anonymous to admins.

Bullshit. Prove it.

Vote on a post.

Close your desktop browser.

Open Reddit from your phone.

Return the post.

Reddit knows you voted on the post.

How is that anonymous?

Reddit =! mods. Just because it's kept in a database by reddit doesn't mean moderators can access it.

how do admins know who's downvoting what?

Your original comment uses admin, not moderator, so the confusion is all yours.

Didn't know there was a difference. Sorry.

You're being really stupid about this. You can go look at all the posts that you've liked here lol.

https://pay.reddit.com/user/-10-/liked/

Users being able to see their own history is completely different from mods seeing it.

We're talking about admins not mods and that's why you're being ridiculous. The admins can see your history.

I didn't know there was a difference. Sorry.

Just go have a read https://github.com/reddit/ the admins definitely know who voted on what.

What am I looking for here?

Step 1: Look for common denominators in the downvotes

• i.e. User X has been downvoting every or almost every submission constantly, as well as user Y, Z, etc.

Step 2: See how many of those common denominators have similarities

• i.e. User X has an IP very similar to user Y and Z suggesting that these are the same person using sockpuppet accounts

Step 3: See how many of them have alternate accounts

• i.e. Look for accounts using the same IP or very similar to

Step 4: See how many of the original accounts linked to the previous ones belong in a sub group

• i.e. The users, or most of the users, that have been downvoting constantly this sub have other accounts that show that they are members of r/conspiratard, for example

Step 5: Deal with it accordingly by use of an IP ban mask type that covers the range of IPs each user has been using in order to deny them the possibility to change IP and make new accounts

• i.e User X has 5 accounts, all of which use an IP range between 192.168.1.100 and 192.168.1.120, apply IP ban mask 192.168.1.*, for example

Step 6: If the trouble users had a common core investigate it further and if it is found to be constantly responsible for the other problematic situations similar or equal to this one issue a final warning to the sub mods, if they allow it to continue then shut it down

PS: This, of corse course, can only be done by site admins only and will only work if the downvote brigadiers are not using proxy. This problem would also be prevented/avoided if they had a system that detects this behaviour and suspends their account until it is investigated, although it could never be perfect it would still work in most of the cases.

Too bad mods don't have access to information like who downvotes what and what the ip addresses of individual users are.

If they say they know who is downvoting new, they are lying to you. The fact is the mods of this place have been slowly destroying it for years - either you get it by now or you dont. I will likely be shadow banned for mentioning this fact, so let this be a lesson for you...

uh no, Im not.

Here's something you need to be aware of in your evaluation of this phenomenon.

Pay very close attention to this subthread under this post.

The important point I want to make here is this:

If someone is attempting to sockpuppet vote, up or down does not matter, you get skewed results.

If you have 10 sockpuppets and you try to mass upvote a post, it will show (because it tracks your full routing address) 10/-9 (basically only counting you as one upvote).

Likewise, if someone downvotes 10 times, it will show 9/-10.

This is, in my honest opinion, the effect we're seeing here. You have 2 or 3 people with 2 or 3 accounts each that are sockpuppet voting. This results in a net of either positive or negative 2 or 3.

Most Importantly: For those who thought they could offset downvotes by sockpuppet upvoting - that's called cheating to defeat cheaters and reddit's processing nullifies your efforts. Just visit the new queue with one account and vote accordingly: one time.

Wonder how they were dealt with. Shadowbans? Otherwise they probably just made new accounts and kept on going.

It's time to temporarily disable downvotes...

The problem i see with that is people purposely upvoting ridiculous content like bigfoot, ghosts and lizard people which always seems to get lumped into the word conspiracy and will make it easier to discredit this subreddit...discrediting by association.

I see it on CNN, before they say something ridiculous they'll use the word conspiracy then say black holes took the plane which turns the word conspiracy to mean something implausible or just crazy.

It's like the word anarchy, it simply means without rulers but has taken on the definition of meaning violence because model teleprompter readers will show pictures of violence and use the word anarchy or anarchist so that becomes the definition to the viewer.

This is a meta conspiracy

Can the mods start assembling a list of users who at least appear legitimate in case this thing goes nuclear and the subreddit has to go private or something?

I don't want to exclude the people who disagree, certainly some of them are legitimate, but there's another element, the organized element.

Edit: I really don't want this sub to go private, but maybe we can have one of those approved contributors only set-ups.

With the way things are going I shudder to think what /r/conspiracy will look like in a month.

Keep up the good work my friend.

Is there any way the Reddit programmers could get a user to experience an electric shock when clicking the down vote icon? This would solve everything.

If reddit would change the rules fully count the voting only if people posted in the same thing they voted on, then these problems would go away. It could be made an option of the subreddit, and would not that be that big of a code change

I noticed this last week very late or early in the morning (4AM) and every single post had 3 or 4 down votes and no up votes.

This very thread is getting hit HARD. Seem's like over half the comments are in the negatives for some good comments. Also, I don't expect that the admins would really do a whole lot to help us out. We go against the reddit agenda.

Why was it when this was brought up several weeks ago everyone was told by the fuckfaces on this sub to get over it, durdur look at new...and then we would say we are looking at new....

At any rate, the apathy or laziness form the mods is what is allowing this. This sub needs a few fundamental changes at its core in how the information presented can be dealt with.

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Lol, idiot who doesn't like a subreddit comes here posting to tell us about it. You should go outside.

Pay attention, our sub has been under attack and the quality of our ability to communicate has been diminished.

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You can't disable anything, you can only hide it with a style sheet.

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Apparently you can remove the subreddit style and still downvote, even if there's no button there for most people.

No it's not just semantics. Go into your prefs and choose not to use the subs stylesheet and you can still downvote.

Anyone can just turn subreddit style off and be able to vote as much as they want. I also think that anyone using mobile would have the vote option as well. You can't disable it.

Edit: This is just my understanding based on things I've read. If I'm wrong, by all means correct me - I'd love to see something done about all of these derailments and downvotes.

Its happening in this fucking thread too

Perhaps an added layer of security for voting is needed?

Few ideas...

1) Give each user 2-5 votes a day on the /new sub 2) Any user that uses up 50% of their votes in a day constantly shouldn't be allowed to down vote something below 0 but they can up vote. 3) Some form of captcha verification if a user votes to much to quickly.

Massively hit? You're at+14/-9 right now.

You can't tell how many downvotes your post has gotten for hours. Vote fuzzing automatically gives you like 10 upvotes and 10 downvotes , when in reality, no one has voted yet. This being said, I agree there is manipulation that is happening en mass lately.

I think this is a serious issue as if it can be done to /r/conspiracy it can be done anywhere.

What about what TRP does? they restrict votes and comments using rules of community.

I do not think trolling of any kind should be allowed here, it muddies the water too much. Like troll posts should get /u/ immediately banned.

Or I would go the other way, that there is so much requirement of anonymity with reddit and so many ways to game the system, that there can be no sensible discussion of conspiracies here as the entire system of reddit is itself a conspiracy.

The only things we know about the actual conspiracies are because professionals and investigators have put their actual names and reputations on the line(not usernames, but actual names). I trust Michael Ruppert, Julian Assange, Snowden, Ted Gunderson, Max Blumenthal, because I am compelled to believe that their person would not be corrupted.

A username could be easily corrupted at any time, the person behind the veil could be anyone with any objectives.

This problem though is not just some silly reddit thing, networked computers give the ability for pure democratic speech and vote tallying, but only if these cheap tricks for gaming the system can be prevented.

bitcoin is onto something with a decentralized time-based community encryption algorithm, that does verify the owner of a coins identity, and along these lines there is a way to determine if any user on any site is who they say they are.

You will find the authoritarians and people who benefit by the current illegitimate election methods doing everything in their power to keep all online communities, including bitcoin, unstable, lest their power be challenged with a true alternative.

We have the tech to revolutionize government and demonstrate how illegitimate the powers of the world are, either we get into that fight here or we admit defeat and take our ideas and evidence elsewhere.

it's quite apparent to regular users that the new submissions is being heavily administered with downvotes. your single point of contention is not statistically meaningful.

-9 with one or two comments is not standard. This is not vote fuzzing.

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So you're admitting that you take time out of your day to use sockpuppet accounts to downvote brigade this sub?

here's what the deleted comment said :

Let me help you kids out. In case you haven't figured out... the more you complain about it, the more it will happen. People enjoy trolling this sub, your paranoia is amusing, so when they see you freak out over something that is under their control, you are giving them the power to manipulate you to amuse themselves. I, myself, an unpaid visitor, immediately opened new and downvoted almost every single thread after seeing this post, sometimes I'll do it with a few accounts, especially OPs, just because I know it makes him spend all his time feeling like the center of a big conspiracy. His/your reaction, threads like these and others in srd, is what I do it for. You guys always get burned and embarrassed by your desire for inter-reddit conspiracies, and it will likely be your downfall as discourse levels descend to things like this, serious users leave, and an increase in dangerous idiots like your sandy hook PI come in. Look at all the black eyes this sub has gotten in the last little while, it comes from thinking you are part of some grand conspiracy by sitting here redditing. You have a big gap between what you think is going on and what the reality of the world is, and people enjoy messing with you because of it. I check SRD and this place everyday purely for entertainment. You have drawn lots of attention because you have gone looking for it by positing yourself at the center of global affairs here on reddit. The truth is you are just wrong in such an offensive way as to draw negative attention and moral indignation, easy to manipulate due to your unstable relationship to the truth of how the world works, and amusing to watch overreact due to your reliance on imagination and self-righteousness.

This user needs to be submitted for an IP ban.

I second this notion.

Considering how often conspiracy subscribers get shadowbanned for "participating in vote brigades" this should be an instant IP ban IMO.

I like this plan.

You seem painfully interested in subreddit drama. Why do you give a shit, if we're all crazy anyway? Why waste your time? Why not let us live in our little bubble? Why do you have to be so petty as to downvote every submission in /new/? Don't you have better things to do?

There's no delusions or paranoia in /r/tard though is there? LOL

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:confirmation bias:

I have never even visited that sub.

I will comment that you guys are undeniably more delusional

Pssst. Your contradiction is showing.

STFUD. Just fade back to your hole!

Ya I'm pretty sure that comment calls for a ban. Admitting to down vote brigading

I like you sir because you called us kids! We are the same people trying to dig through the noise of "Strategy of Tension" to find the real truths that have been hidden from ever getting out.

Its us kids that want to see the truth regardless if we can handle it or not. Let us decide if we choose to see it or not. If you or others come here to make us look bad we know all this and there is no need to point it out. We are big kids just like the ones in charge of this country and the others around the world.

Its a chess game for the rich and powerful which everyone needs to see an understand.

"dangerous idiots like your sandy hook PI"--- dangerous to seek answers and ask questions?

so you must believe the "official" SH version

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I've made two posts about this over the past few months. I once saw every single post in /new/ for 4 hours at 0, while most had at least 6 or 7 upvotes. What have the admins done at all? Have they contacted you and told you? Can you release the correspondence between the two of you?

The conspiracy is that you clowns are a eye sore to this site and admins dont want part of your inane bullshit

Here's a secret: if you unsubscribe from this subreddit you will never see another /r/conspiracy post.

I'll send you the bill for fixing your aching eyes.

This sub gets downvotes because the views and rampant paranoia of the regular posters are so out there they attract a lot of trolls. So easy for a few individuals to yank your chains because you take everything so seriously.

I hope the admins get tired of the spam from that subreddit and ban it already. They still don't understand vote fuzzing or that people who naturally find their subreddit find what they believe disgusting.

by: /u/75000_Tokkul

Upvotes: 130 | Downvotes: 50 | Timestamp of this thread.

Upvotes: 1 | Downvotes: 0 | Timestamp of cross-posting thread.

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Ah, another day, another x-post to c-tard by /u/75000_tokkul. He has a raging, throbbing hard-on for this sub.

Perhaps the best option would be for everyone here to submit their threads both in r/conspiracy and r/conspiratard, since they are so obsessed with what the people they despise, insult and mock 24/7 think might as well and post everything there.

Maybe that way they don't feel the urge to brigade the threads here and instead end up staying more contained in their circlejerk corner.

EDIT; I am being sarcastic.

I see that leading to even more meta drama than we already have which would only serve as further distraction from the discussions this sub is supposed to exist for.

I also imagine we'd find ourselves banned from c-tard very quickly.

I thought my sarcasm was clear, in any case I have added a note stating it.

My bad, doesn't come through so well over text. Your comment makes a lot more sense now.

We need to weed out these shills in any possibly way. I have infiltrated our enemy (conspiratard) by befriending them. I will be spying on them and informing you all of their devious shill ways. If you want to PM me any personal information that may help me in my cause, please do.

It's just interesting that he would make that claim and waste his time doing all of that if it wasn't going to have any effect.

He may not realize that his votes are filtered since they are fuzzed on his end.

He also, after having admitted being a troll, may just be trolling for effect and not actually trying to affect votes.

This user needs to be submitted for an IP ban.

I see that leading to even more meta drama than we already have which would only serve as further distraction from the discussions this sub is supposed to exist for.

I also imagine we'd find ourselves banned from c-tard very quickly.

uh no, Im not.

Reddit admitted it too... Eglin AFB was the top reddit-user

It's interesting, but not surprising.

Look at how much effort the Democrats put into scrubbing the default subreddits of so much news about the Obama administration shitting on liberal voters. Look at the military propaganda, and see how much negative attention you get from negative posts about the US military. (Remember "That's not a child, that's a dog.")

With reddit the way it is, it probably costs less than a single TV infomercial.