We do indeed need a revolution. Part of what made Gandhi so successful is that he was able to stare at the face of brute force with compassion, peace, and love (relevant).

Another part of what made him successful, however, is that the revolution he helped usher took place in a land where the people there understood muuuch better than we do in the West that these bodies we have here are but the most temporary of physical vehicles being driven and commanded by an eternal identity that cannot be touched or harmed by whatever damage the limited physical vehicle of the body may experience.

As such, the people he walked with in the East were better able to move forward and march in the face of grave physical harm. They knew that 1) what they were marching and demonstrating for was greater than the physical alone, and 2) they were not their physical bodies anyway, so there was not as much fear in them of any harm coming to the body itself.

Here in the West, we for the most part have been brainwashed into thinking that all we are is this measly, tiny, limited physical vehicle (go to /r/atheism to get but a glimpse of this). As a result, we spend an inordinate amount of time trying to keep that physical vehicle from harm. Revolutions, therefore, are generally completely out of the question because revolutions just might risk damage to that tiny, limited, physical vehicle.

One's world view and understanding of reality, in other words, must expand out beyond the one which we have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed into believing is the case.

Another part of what made him successful, however, is that the revolution he helped usher took place in a land where the people there understood muuuch better than we do in the West that these bodies we have here are but the most temporary of physical vehicles being driven and commanded by an eternal identity that cannot be touched or harmed by whatever damage the limited physical vehicle of the body may experience.

Do you have anything I can read on this subject? I'm very interested. I agree with you about /r/atheism. The entire thread is basically dedicated to bashing any and all religions regardless of their valuable insights and teachings.

Do you have anything I can read on this subject?

Whooboy, do I...

There's Swami Vivekananda's writings, studies done by academics like Ian Stevenson and his seminal work "Twenty Cases Suggestive Of Reincarnation", almost any book by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, M.D., books by Robert Monroe and the voluminous amount of ongoing work done in his Monroe Institute...There really is a ton of stuff that exists. I'm just listing these few off the top of my head.

I agree with you about /r/atheism. The entire thread is basically dedicated to bashing any and all religions regardless of their valuable insights and teachings.

The worst part about it is that /r/atheism doesn't actually realize that you actually CAN bash each and every religion (which would be a stupid thing to do - to think or suggest that everything about "all" of them is incorrect - but, for the sake of example, you could), and yet it does absolutely nothing to the idea of theism itself - as theism is not limited to any religion in the least. Most atheists (not all, but most) seem to make the straw man fallacy mistake of propping up a false and extremely limited representation of what true theism is about (keeping it within the narrow bands of "religion only") and then, in bashing that false representation, they then feel that they have successfully bashed all theism in general. Nothing can be further from the actual truth, however, and there are countless examples of studies done showing examples of the continuance of personal identity independent of any physical vehicle.

There's Swami Vivekananda's writings, studies done by academics like Ian Stevenson and his seminal work "Twenty Cases Suggestive Of Reincarnation", almost any book by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, M.D., books by Robert Monroe and the voluminous amount of ongoing work done in his Monroe Institute...There really is a ton of stuff that exists. I'm just listing these few off the top of my head.

I appreciate these sources. I'm headed to the library today so I'll be sure to check these out.

No problem. Happy reading. :)

/r/psychonaut

Work stoppage and then refocused efforts on labor interests not the interests of the government.

A work stoppage or general labor strike is so effective that calling for one is illegal in the USA.

It is the only way to gain their attention and it is the one method they fear the most.

All service and manufacturing needs to halt.

How do you get people to stop working when they are too content with their breads and circuses?

The Two Loaves and a Clown crew are easily directed toward the next big thing. They're followers and never the ones we seek to protect or help or save. They become what they've always been, chattel. This is about those of us that are in the know. There are many more of us that directly effect the system in more important and crucial ways than the chattel ever could. We must call for a work stoppage among ourselves. "Who is John Galt?" Another way of saying, "Who is ready to stop?"

This is about those of us that are in the know.

Makes sense. I've pondered how can people remain so passive...

No one will revolt if they think they're free.

He succeeded in freeing India from Britain's 1%; but failed to free it from India's 1% (which never-the-less remained close partners with Britain's 1%). I think he knew it was a Pyrrhic victory, but thought it was the best that could be hoped for at the time. More to be learned there than most people are told by foundation-grant education.

What Ghandi did, they found a way to deal with. What MLK did, they found a way to deal with. General strikes and union action? Easy peasy. What's something the people haven't tried yet?

I am not referring to violence either. Violence is their game and they are experts at it.

Even what Jesus did was corrupted by the Romans past and present.

So, what is that something the people haven't tried?

So, what is that something the people haven't tried?

That's what I am looking for.

There is some saying: "As on the inside so it is on the outside" or something to that effect. Maybe the revolution people seek is much closer and more possible than we are lead to believe. It lies not in changing government or power structures or labor or economic policy. It is not about changing a monolithic system or changing other people. The answer is elusive because it is as infinitely varied as the people who who will come up with it. It is a revolution of consciousness, and the beauty of it is that everything "they" do will accelerate it.

This! All of this. The change is on a personal level. Become self sustaining and self aware

That sounds like something a gypsy would say while the Nazis were killing Jews.

The vast majority of people will support the authority. Scientifically proven. Change of your and a few others consciousness won't stop them. Change of authority will.

Despite the "scientific proof" I have the utmost faith in others and especially in you, brother. Thoughts and words are creative. What are you creating with yours?

Nothing. Unless something real happens in this country I'll just work my hands to the bone until I die for next to nothing like my father and his did. I'm not a smart or creative person.

But my grandpa flew against the Nazis and my dad refused to fight against the Vietnamese so I guess we have good judgment on our side.

Give up technology.

Gandhi was an opportunist, he was so successful because the British Empire was in tatters and had neither the resources nor the strength to bring India back into the fold. Churchill wanted to and asked the U.S. and other power players of the time to help, but they wanted Britain divested of it's colonial holdings and told Churchill so. The Brits had to let it go. Gandhi was a horrible leader and when he achieved Independence for India he was murdered because he wanted to wipe out any western influence in the country and take it back to simpler times. He wanted to eradicate advanced medicine, technology, agriculture, etc... and go back to traditional methods. He was not that great of a man. Like MLK he was given the credit for the change that took place because the people who hold power know the only way to really make significant, sweeping changes is through violence and they don't want that. The 1% of India still holds sway as they did in the past, but work for different masters now.

Nice post, very interesting.

Thank you!

Imo, we need a to create a organization that will provide resources and infrastructure using volunteers (couple hours a week from people from multiple fields health,construction,engineering,technology). Our goal will be to build and maintain happy communities (swaying peoples support for a in alternative economy/society) well fund the project by a charity(for those who can't contribute physically)(Bitcoin introduction). We build or use a existing building as a center to provide access to information, resources, micro-farming techniques, health advice, energy independence/conservation, debt reducing, hell we will hire a therapist to help people with depression. Fund and work towards vertical farming, art projects.

Crazy Idea that pop into my head, Change And Create.

http://vimeo.com/95350368

How was Gandhi so successful?

Well, he didn't use guns. Maybe you could try that!

http://vimeo.com/95350368

Thank you!