Glenn Greenwald and Wikileaks had a very contentious twitter back and forth about this. Wikileaks ended up calling Greenwald a racist apologist in bed with the Pentagon.

Edit: Found a link of the back and forth. Interesting that Wikileaks calls the country in question a "US dominated country"

https://twitter.com/LittleGreen1/timelines/468547037588254722

Be careful, anything from "Little Green Footballs" is suspicious and known to be agenda driven.

For instance, LGF won the "Best Israel Advocacy Blog" award from the Jerusalem Post in 2005.

I've been leaning in this direction. Real muckrakers are marginalized nowadays. I can't speak for the racist part but something stinks here.

I'm on the fence regarding Greenwald. He is happy to make assertions about others, but you aren't allowed to question his motives at all without him blowing up.

Greenwald and snowden are almost certainly a limited hangout.

Leaking only stuff that had already been illustrated by previous guys like William Binney and Russ Tice.

Super slow publishing of this info to get the public desensitized and tired of the topic.

Greenwald going to work for the quarter billion dollar startup, the intercept, with Omidyar. Publishing something about once a month.

I don't disagree with you on your points other than

almost certainly a limited hangout

I think we do not have sufficient evidence to claim he is or is not one, yet.

Again all your points make sense. Though, what if their intent is to leak this information increasingly to build up to the devastating stuff that could change governments?

I have no idea if that will happen or a completely different set of circumstances occur, but I do know that I don't know.

I hear ya. Go browse r/limitedhangouts for an hour and see if you are still unconvinced.

I have and am still unconvinced. In my opinion there is no solid evidence he is either a limited hangout or not.

Every point pointing to limited hangout can also be perceived to as a legitimate building up of company like Wikileaks to bring forth leaks from governments that people need to hear about. If he was just running a blog, no one would take him seriously. He is setting up a professional medium through which to pass this information he has onto others.

I think that if he is genuine, then he is doing the best he can with what he has. Am I frustrated he hasn't dumped all the info to the web and let us sort through it? Yes. Though, I am aware that such a tactic is needed to remain in the medias spotlight as well substantiate his legitimacy.

If they just threw a ton of documents at us, can we prove they were doctored or not? No, but if they write a well written article to go along with the documents the information can be displayed in an effective manner.

Two weeks from now, the NSA/Snowden/Greenwald story will be a year old, and there hasn't been any big revelations that haven't already been covered by previous whistle blowers. A full year. How much time do they need?

The public is sick and tired of the story.

Greenwald is making bank at a place with highly questionable financial support that seems to say one thing yet do another.

Regardless of what can be proven about greenwalds inner motivations, this whole thing has had the net effect on society of a well planned limited hangout. If it quacks like a duck, forgive me for calling it a duck.

You think there is enough evidence to call him a duck, I don't.

Time will tell.

yeah well, the case is certainly growing, isnt it?

lets see what the BIG story is in 4-8weeks

Yes. I am inclined to say that I am leaning towards him being a limited hangout.

unfortunately :/

Wiki

basically releasing information to make it seem like x is really bad whereas they are trying to hide extremely bad y from public view by putting focus on x.

limiting exposure, limiting criticism

akin to saying 'hey hitler kicked his dog, how terrible'(when in reality he done much worse'

akin to saying 'hey were record all phone calls in the bahamas' (when in reality its the whole fucking world

Eli5: limited hang out...

Recently used method on reddit to try and discredit people the United States Government wants dead for leaking information about Government Abuses. /r/limitedhangouts is a shill sub it's only there so they can spam their sub all over /r/Conspiracy. Its not hard to see what they are trying to do but I'm positive that people are smart enough to see through the bullshit that is /r/LimitedHangouts and it's mods.

Had a run in with one of their disciples over the past few days. Wasn't sure until after a few rounds, but now tagged as disinformation.

yea, spreading the word about not believing snowden is who he says he is just because the new york times told u so

critical thinking, stay skepticalll

I was speaking about a specific conversation with a specific person. He did such a poor job of presenting your argument I almost wrote it off wholesale.

He did such a poor job of presenting your argument

its not my argument. its everybodys, its called being skeptical

its everybodys

Not sure everyone is truly skeptical, but you are free to believe otherwise.

so you honestly think snowden is so evasive he is beyond the reach of the world bank governments? no one is that naive, are they?

Well, if you want to take that tac, Putin is kinda thumbing his nose at the International Banking cartel...is he not?

putin IS in that cartel

Has been may be more accurate.

what? how do you know they are shilling?

Cannot be sure but it's best to assume any information can be disinformation it is a certainty that the govt is interested in derailing public discourse and the spread of information. Causing doubt and infighting would be a great way. That being said I think it is likely wiki leaks or the Snowden side have been infiltrated. If this revelation ever comes out and it indeed does cause deaths or some kind of major shakeup... I would be pretty sure wiki leaks was either coopted from the beginning or is a limited hangout. The govt desperately needs a new bigger badder ''see what happens'' for leaks so they can redouble their efforts to clamp down.... on all of us.

If he was just running a blog, no one would take him seriously. He is setting up a professional medium through which to pass this information he has onto others.

ha! so, partnering with a billionaire who shells out $250,000,000... lol!

yup

guardian is msm/corporate media. greenwald can freely go on msnbc and a viacom show (colbert)

he aint no hastings

you should be highly skeptical of greenwald.. Why? maybe because its

snowden --> greenwald --> the world

he is the 'mouthpiece' for the nsa leaks. tptb like him..thats why he can go on msnbc and a viacom show to sell a book.

controlled opposition, limited hangout. greenwald chooses what to publish from what snowden gave him, that is a fact

stay skeptical

To be fair Greenwald is a ''legitimate'' journalist, if he wasn't the government is putting things in place to just shut that right down. If he is not coopted yet they would have trouble simply arresting him etc as it would tip their hand.

My theory is Greewald is CIA and Wikileaks is NSA.

Real muckrakers are marginalized nowadays.

manning - imprisoned and tortured

hastings- assassinated

I'm waiting for the big news announcement of an a-list celeb who has died suddenly or some other manufactured breaking news event that will suck up every minute of our mainstream media's attention. That's when I'll know it's been released.

Or maybe a big to-do about a racist remark from some sports team owner. Or maybe Russia will become an imminent threat for some classified reason requiring further military response. Or maybe someone will just fly a plane into a building again.

i think i just watched a video about Mark Cuban owner of the Mavericks talking about racist remarks. hmm

remotely flown*

u think the 2 planes hitting the towers were drones?

....Well?

right?

I can't find the 72 Hour tweet in their twitter feed. Was it deleted? The rest of the conversation is still there...

i feel like we have been had...

[deleted]

timezone?

It will be 72 hours at 3:34 PM (EST I think) if you base the timing on the original twitter post.

Well... hour and a half wikileaks

30 minutes....

In what time zone? Just asking so I can be watching for it. Thanks for checking on the time for all of us!

It will be 72 hours at 3:34 PM (EST I think) if you base the timing on the original twitter post.

Did it say est on the original post? Please tell me that was a nija edit and that I'm not that dense lol. And thank you again

It was Israel. The news is being surpressed a lot though.

Can you reference this?

http://www.newsweek.com/mostly-good-week-israel-us-spying-controversy-251261?mobile=0

If this is from the 16th why did wikileaks and greenwald argue about releasing it the other day?

That makes no sense. How would this cause deaths? Israelis know they are under constant surveillance.

Sensationalist title maybe?

no. greenwald directly said he wouldn't release info because it would cause deaths.

Maybe that was a threat?

TY

I'm not 100% convinced this is related in any way shape or form to the leaks here, but, if it is Israel that we are recording everything on, prepare for a massive shit storm.

No it isn't, it's Afghanistan. Check Wikileaks Twitter.

This isn't the Bahamas?

There was a recent leak about the Bahamas, this is a different one!

That is what I thought too, a lot of online articles confused me about the unmentioned country versus how the Bahamas are completely locked down, and they know everything going in and out of that country.

I think there is a concerted effort to make readers think that nameless country is the Bahamas and just to dismiss it. Though, those of us on top of the fucking story know Greenwald claims people may die from the country's name being released, whereas when Bahamas was released as a country being 100% infiltrated, heads didn't roll that much.

edit: or its due to poor journalism which mainstream has slipped into.

Though, those of us on top of the fucking story know Greenwald claims people may die from the countries name being released

His interest in "one small company" is curious. Does he really think protecting one small company outweighs the rights of everyone else in that country?

Do you want to be responsible for releasing a name and then people being killed out of consequence to your action?

That is the power he is dealing with. Yes it could outweigh. Depends on ones perspective.

It didn't keep him from releasing information he knew would risk lives when he first made his fame (and subsequent fortune) off of Snowden's information.

https://prod01-cdn00.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2014/05/3.jpg

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/05/19/data-pirates-caribbean-nsa-recording-every-cell-phone-call-bahamas/

http://chirpstory.com/li/207419

I missed all of that! Good links. Am I now reading correctly that Ukraine is the other country?

https://wikileaks.org/WikiLeaks-statement-on-the-mass.html

My guess is Pakistan. It's the most unstable nation in the world with nukes and a sizable enough radical population that it could erupt in violence if there was even the suggestion of ISI aiding the NSA in doing this.

Checked online, the country hasn't been released yet. Israel, while a likely answer, hasn't been confirmed.

How is Isreal not the least likely answer? What are they going to do, throw a fit and refuse billions of dollars in aid and military protection?

Probably Pakistan

It sure would be easy to monitor phone calls in North Korea. There are probably less than 100 phones in the entire country.

Greenwald said people could die...so i'm going to have to assume it's a first world country, probably western european in nature. I'll guess France or the UK, I can't see many countries caring enough to die just like we didn't.

Canada. 3-1. Any takers?

Our telecoms all run through the states, anyone with a brain here already knows we are being recorded.

It was a joke. Apparently, a dumb one.

We are all too sensitive about this stuff now I guess. Here have some votes.

Laugh or cry, brother.

Any news on this yet? I haven't heard anything. 72 hours is almost up...

My speculations: Maybe the redacted country, and the story coming up in 4-8 weeks are related. Maybe it's Saudi Arabia, and maybe in 4-8 weeks there's info about 9/11. Maybe it's Switzerland, and in 4-8 weeks we'll learn the country isn't neutral.

The statement that 'it could cause a death' is irrelevant template response. NZ? Australia? it really doesn't matter. The NSA and partners have the entire western world cached and this dribbling of OMG country X or country Y is a decade old piece of distractive pap IMO.

Nothing yet? I guess Pakistan as well, even though Bin Laden was supposedly hiding there, but maybe that's why.

WikiLeaks statement on the mass recording of Afghan telephone calls by the NSA

It'd be interesting if it were Russia that's for sure.

I'm personally hoping for Israel, Canada, or Ukraine.

ya my guess would be Canada (which happens to be my country).

I assumed we were already being monitored in general as our telecoms all go south of the border.

There was a recent leak about the Bahamas, this is a different one!

That is what I thought too, a lot of online articles confused me about the unmentioned country versus how the Bahamas are completely locked down, and they know everything going in and out of that country.

I think there is a concerted effort to make readers think that nameless country is the Bahamas and just to dismiss it. Though, those of us on top of the fucking story know Greenwald claims people may die from the country's name being released, whereas when Bahamas was released as a country being 100% infiltrated, heads didn't roll that much.

edit: or its due to poor journalism which mainstream has slipped into.

I have and am still unconvinced. In my opinion there is no solid evidence he is either a limited hangout or not.

Every point pointing to limited hangout can also be perceived to as a legitimate building up of company like Wikileaks to bring forth leaks from governments that people need to hear about. If he was just running a blog, no one would take him seriously. He is setting up a professional medium through which to pass this information he has onto others.

I think that if he is genuine, then he is doing the best he can with what he has. Am I frustrated he hasn't dumped all the info to the web and let us sort through it? Yes. Though, I am aware that such a tactic is needed to remain in the medias spotlight as well substantiate his legitimacy.

If they just threw a ton of documents at us, can we prove they were doctored or not? No, but if they write a well written article to go along with the documents the information can be displayed in an effective manner.

https://prod01-cdn00.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2014/05/3.jpg

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/05/19/data-pirates-caribbean-nsa-recording-every-cell-phone-call-bahamas/

http://chirpstory.com/li/207419

so you honestly think snowden is so evasive he is beyond the reach of the world bank governments? no one is that naive, are they?

Had a run in with one of their disciples over the past few days. Wasn't sure until after a few rounds, but now tagged as disinformation.

what? how do you know they are shilling?

I was speaking about a specific conversation with a specific person. He did such a poor job of presenting your argument I almost wrote it off wholesale.