Mainstream has been corporate since I want to say the later half of the 19th century, then it really kicked off with the use of spin in the early 20th.
It's mind-control -- making sure the public sees these stories, doesn't see those, all the while steering the narrative, telling us what to think. Most people are blind to it; just go along with it.
They do it on topics ranging from Ukraine to 9/11 to GMOs, and non-discerning readers form their opinions based on a guided set of false narratives. Same as corporate media, only more slippery -- and a bigger betrayal IMO, as most people expect the internet to be a free & open exchange of ideas. Nope.
We all knew Reddit was gone a year ago...but this seems to be the overt final nail in the coffin. Now anyone can brigade anything. An NSA/CIA super computer can vanquish any post, any idea that does not comply with the party line, from how I see it. Does that sound accurate? If so, this is pure totalitarianism guised as grass roots. We all saw the censorship, now it's fully institutionalized. The reddit ppl, meanwhile, get to "sell" influence, but we all really know they're only being allowed to on a leash.
Maybe it's a good thing. Instead of people venting on Reddit, we can truly get involved... trying to find the bright side here.
We've been through the meatgrinder on this topic before but i'll stab at it once more.
First and foremost; reddit should be a discussion board with a toolset that's conducive to productive discussion. When individuals abuse those tools and turn it into a shitty un-scientific opinion poll where they dont feel as if they need to type an intelligent response or engage in a discussion but merely systemize popular opinion, that's problematic. Thats one of reddits biggest obstacles with its tool set. It doesn't encourage discussion.
IDK what else they could try: Make the upvote & downvote buttons super tiny and make the reply box bigger? ... ?
Even that might not turn certain individuals into believing something other than the upvote/downvote button is an adequate response.
Well articulated post, though I'd add if you're insinuating their intent was to encourage discussion by demeaning down-votes, that's an obvious double-edged sword that, given their cynicism, I would assume to a trojan.
Yes, this is the "last nail" in Reddit's coffin.... not. More likely reddit was dying for other reasons other than "censorship," and this process simply continues with poor choices like this one.
I doubt Rupert Murdoch was consulting with the engineers at Reddit over this decision as a link in his chain to take over the world.
Perhaps I overreacted - Reddit's already been overtly dead, but to insinuate Rupert Murdoch is the only media devil is laughable. He's not even anywhere close to the least moral, controlling or prone to censorship. CNN, for example, is just a significantly more adept deceiver.
The most beautiful thing in all of this is that while the truth us shocking and sickening, it is discoverable by all who wish to seek. Just like we once discovered the man behind the curtain because we chose to investigate, so shall they. And more and more awake by the day. Their influence and ability to play the same old games and expect to win is fading quickly.
The irony is that things like this, which are designed to keep people in the dark, actually make many start to question things a bit more and lead to their seeking to get to the bottom of the rabbit hole. "The Streisand effect", I believe it's called.
Reddit is quite likely the worst place on the Internet to attempt that. You can literally have your front page consist of only /r/conspiracy and whatever specific views you want.
The Jews have been doing this for many decades now. The reason Jews control the media is because, through the media, they control us. They control what we discuss between ourselves, what we think about social topics, and most important, what topics are taboo and are never to be talked about (like this one). It was inevitable -- INEVITABLE -- that Jews should control Reddit, as they now do. It was INEVITABLE that they should start to shape the debates within Reddit to match the controlled debate they have created in the rest of the mainstream media. These things could be foreseen, they were foreseen, and they have happened.
They don't even need to brigade, when coke pays for a top position of r/videos they will just have an acceptable number. Voting only did something in early reddit, now it's just a mechanism to make you believe you have a voice.
Voting only did something in early reddit, now it's just a mechanism to make you believe you have a voice.
Replace "reddit" with "America" and you still have a perfectly valid statement. Funny how the progression (regression, rather) of the internet almost perfectly mirrors that of real life.
Is it that /r/undelete was becoming too popular? This was bad news for the reddit staff. Undelete shows deleted submissions. This can help find censorship. So alright, how do we get past not being able to censor submissions by deletion? Find a way to downvote them easier. Censor them that way.
I think that's only part of it. Some of us will remember a few months ago when this subreddit got slammed with downvotes, but eventually the brigades let up a little. It's still bad but not as bad as it was. It's possible the brigading was curtailed because it was too obvious, so many people have RES. Now it will be even more difficult to spot brigading.
It's not just this sub obviously. As the PTB have been losing control of the narrative, vote manipulation becomes more and more necessary
As much as I would like to think it was because of the popularity of undelete (or that one post I made that got really popular on /r/undelete) the bot has already been fixed to account for the changes. It shouldn't affect the functioning of that subreddit.
However, this does open up a whole new era of accountability-free vote brigading. This is a boon for companies/organizations who wish to censor or feature content.
Hell, eventually you might not even need mods to delete anything anymore. You can just sick the vote brigade on a post and downvote it to oblivion, and no one would be the wiser.
I'm sure that's a big part of it - too many people were starting to notice the obvious manipulation and censorship. Something had to be done, and this was the best option reddit, inc. could come up with. Ironically, though, I think they may have taken it a bit too far with this step and may end up with a lot more users being aware of what's going on than there were before.
Back in the day it was very common that all stories would have 67% like to dislike. People started asking questions so the admins admitted they fuzzed the voting to stop down vote bots from burying stories.
I just came across it today so it's about as new to me as it is to you but apparently it's the work of just one person, /u/dt3ft. He's been asking for help with development/design/administration going forward since, obviously, it's a huge undertaking to create a reddit replacement.
I don't know much about developing a website so I can't help much with that but I can help with trying to get the word out. It's an actual, tangible alternative that already exists and just needs a little help to get up and running.
people have made a couple, but none of them have really taken off - and they still suffer from the underlying problems of reddit. There should be a decentralized version.
What would be awesome is if you could start a subreddit as easy as wordpress on your own server, and other people could run aggregators, so the whole system was much more decentralized.
Actually, cryptocurrency would be used for that instead of aggregators. Namecoin, Torcoin, Curecoin, Archivecoin (?) and others uses the block chain to process information as well as make transactions. By making a coin to be used for purchases, it act as a means to link the separate blogs, subreddits, whatever together in a decentralized way to ensure transparency.
I've been monitoring /u/deimorz, the reddit employee who posted the change. He's been downloaded to hell, yet his overall comment Karma keeps on growing. Almost like the downvotes he recieves are being converted to upvotes.
He's had over 2000 upvotes in the last 7 hours, and only maybe a thousand negatives. He's had almost 6000 upvotes in the first page of his post history alone.
Nothing drastic but surprising nevertheless. Don't mind the green/red colours I've used, they don't indicate anything different. I'm not saying that there is something malicious here but if they wanted to fix something on that website this kind of discrepancy would have been more important than hidding votes. look
Clearly a way to allow for more vote brigading. They probably got paid to implement this change so certain organizations could more easily cover their tracks.
I realize that this probably feels like a very major change to the site to many of you, but since the data was actually misleading (or outright false in many cases), the usefulness of being able to see it was actually mostly an illusion. Please give it a chance for a few days and see if things "feel" better without being able to see the specific up/down counts.
So he's implying that if we don't like it after a few days, they'll change it back?
There's not really any point in me yelling into the storm in /r/announcements. This wasn't a change that we made lightly, and it's not going to be reverted due to the (completely expected) knee-jerk reaction to it. We're reading the feedback about it, and some things may end up being changed eventually, but not immediately.
His justification is essentially "Once everyone stops complaining about the changes we made, they'll like it."
And he says
This change may also have some unexpected side-effects on third-party extensions/apps/etc. that display or otherwise use the specific up/down numbers. We've tried to take various precautions to make the transition smoother, but please let us know if you notice anything going horribly wrong due to it.
But in another post
If it's any consolation, I fucked all of my own bots as well and just finished scrambling around editing PRAW in about 20 different places.
So you tried to make the transition smoother, but had to scramble to fix your own bots? Sounds to me like this change was a "knee jerk reaction".
no no no, next they'll tie your email to your username publicly. then, when ppl start posting their own profile pictures, reddit will roll-out a whole system where you can show off your profile! you can make statements to your new friend group, the entire listening internet!
This affects the comment section the most. You can still use the % liked and vote total to calculate up and down votes for posts. The comment section, however, has it's votes completely hidden. The only info you see for comments are the total sum points beside the username.
Manipulation of the comment section with vote brigades can now be done unseen.
Here is an example:
I make a comment that is popular with lots of people of a subreddit but unpopular with a particular group that wants to limit discusion. The group then vote my comment down till it has very few points. Yet all I can see is that my comment has very few points. I have no clue if it has been downvoted or if no one has voted on it at all.
I'm pretty much done with this site. I'll be hitting back here in conspiracy (obviously WAAAY down the page, even further than normal), but yeah, this probably marks the end of my reddit days.
A pity. This site was decent for a while.
Any suggestions?
Also, I recommend you guys have a browse of that subreddit. Normalisation is already well under way. The main argument being pushed is that only RES users are affected/will care... 'No big deal', 'get a life', etc.
Theowners of reddit arent WORRIED about gaming. They are worried that they the owners of reddit cant game as well anymore becuase users are catching on that reddit is not really user controlled much at all anymore.
Look at the Reddit front page. It is mostly not cats. Right now, there are no cats. There is, however, "T-Mobile's CEO Went Off Last Night And Said AT&T And Verizon Are 'Fuckers' That Are 'Raping You'" and "Dick Cheney Should be Rotting in The Hague, Not Writing Editorials", and a picture of a puppy.
They don't even need to brigade, when coke pays for a top position of r/videos they will just have an acceptable number. Voting only did something in early reddit, now it's just a mechanism to make you believe you have a voice.
Back in the day it was very common that all stories would have 67% like to dislike. People started asking questions so the admins admitted they fuzzed the voting to stop down vote bots from burying stories.
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36 MrGobekli 2014-06-18
Death of the downvote? The reddit MSM circlejerk is complete!
27 LetsHackReality 2014-06-18
Death of Reddit as a source of free information and open discussion.
And call it "Corporate Media" rather than "Mainstream". It's more descriptive.
2 BAckwaterRifle 2014-06-18
Mainstream has been corporate since I want to say the later half of the 19th century, then it really kicked off with the use of spin in the early 20th.
-4 GNUgamer 2014-06-18
If it's the death of the downvote won't that also mean it's the death of the downvote brigades that try to censor stories?
19 MrGobekli 2014-06-18
Have a read: http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/
They've 'facebooked' it. It's gonna be a mass of nodding fools 'liking' sponsored content.
6 GNUgamer 2014-06-18
Oh I get it, now only those with thousands of sock puppet accounts or astroturfing bots make the front page.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
Yep.
2 quantumcipher 2014-06-18
No, it just means brigades will be harder to spot and easier for the admins to ignore.
30 ugdr6424 2014-06-18
0 points (67% like it)
13 mandiru 2014-06-18
They like it? What is this? Facebook?
10 [deleted] 2014-06-18
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11 MistrCreazil 2014-06-18
"That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works!"
10 Ancipital 2014-06-18
Marked as spam.
1 MistrCreazil 2014-06-18
What? Are you being sarcastic? Because you obviously don't know what spam is.
5 Balthanos 2014-06-18
Reported
2 MistrCreazil 2014-06-18
Okay.
5 Zenof 2014-06-18
shadow banned (joke)
4 [deleted] 2014-06-18
Sent invite to play candy crush
3 RandoKillrizian 2014-06-18
Do you have a cow to send me?
1 Ancipital 2014-06-18
Yeah, I was joking.
1 casualredditreader 2014-06-18
It's from a TV commercial.
29 ohmisterpabbit 2014-06-18
I don't understand what the benefit of this new system is, and I can't make heads or tails of the big thread, it's a cluster fuck in there.
80 LetsHackReality 2014-06-18
The benefit is that now they can brigade downvote invisibly, so they can keep the damaging topics off the front page.
Makes for more effective propaganda for their overlords.
Reddit is selling influence. Simple as that.
36 YoureAllRobots 2014-06-18
Precisely, it is underhanded censorship in the guise of political correctness.
36 LetsHackReality 2014-06-18
It's mind-control -- making sure the public sees these stories, doesn't see those, all the while steering the narrative, telling us what to think. Most people are blind to it; just go along with it.
They do it on topics ranging from Ukraine to 9/11 to GMOs, and non-discerning readers form their opinions based on a guided set of false narratives. Same as corporate media, only more slippery -- and a bigger betrayal IMO, as most people expect the internet to be a free & open exchange of ideas. Nope.
12 YoureAllRobots 2014-06-18
Accurate post above.
9 SickSalamander 2014-06-18
Have an (?|?)!
9 anticonventionalwisd 2014-06-18
We all knew Reddit was gone a year ago...but this seems to be the overt final nail in the coffin. Now anyone can brigade anything. An NSA/CIA super computer can vanquish any post, any idea that does not comply with the party line, from how I see it. Does that sound accurate? If so, this is pure totalitarianism guised as grass roots. We all saw the censorship, now it's fully institutionalized. The reddit ppl, meanwhile, get to "sell" influence, but we all really know they're only being allowed to on a leash.
Maybe it's a good thing. Instead of people venting on Reddit, we can truly get involved... trying to find the bright side here.
2 magnetoelectric 2014-06-18
That's not a terrible bright side.
We've been through the meatgrinder on this topic before but i'll stab at it once more.
First and foremost; reddit should be a discussion board with a toolset that's conducive to productive discussion. When individuals abuse those tools and turn it into a shitty un-scientific opinion poll where they dont feel as if they need to type an intelligent response or engage in a discussion but merely systemize popular opinion, that's problematic. Thats one of reddits biggest obstacles with its tool set. It doesn't encourage discussion.
IDK what else they could try: Make the upvote & downvote buttons super tiny and make the reply box bigger? ... ?
Even that might not turn certain individuals into believing something other than the upvote/downvote button is an adequate response.
2 anticonventionalwisd 2014-06-18
Well articulated post, though I'd add if you're insinuating their intent was to encourage discussion by demeaning down-votes, that's an obvious double-edged sword that, given their cynicism, I would assume to a trojan.
1 AyeEarnCoins 2014-06-18
Yes, this is the "last nail" in Reddit's coffin.... not. More likely reddit was dying for other reasons other than "censorship," and this process simply continues with poor choices like this one.
I doubt Rupert Murdoch was consulting with the engineers at Reddit over this decision as a link in his chain to take over the world.
1 anticonventionalwisd 2014-06-18
Perhaps I overreacted - Reddit's already been overtly dead, but to insinuate Rupert Murdoch is the only media devil is laughable. He's not even anywhere close to the least moral, controlling or prone to censorship. CNN, for example, is just a significantly more adept deceiver.
8 iamagod__ 2014-06-18
The most beautiful thing in all of this is that while the truth us shocking and sickening, it is discoverable by all who wish to seek. Just like we once discovered the man behind the curtain because we chose to investigate, so shall they. And more and more awake by the day. Their influence and ability to play the same old games and expect to win is fading quickly.
7 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
The irony is that things like this, which are designed to keep people in the dark, actually make many start to question things a bit more and lead to their seeking to get to the bottom of the rabbit hole. "The Streisand effect", I believe it's called.
1 SlightlyOTT 2014-06-18
Reddit is quite likely the worst place on the Internet to attempt that. You can literally have your front page consist of only /r/conspiracy and whatever specific views you want.
-2 4to4 2014-06-18
The Jews have been doing this for many decades now. The reason Jews control the media is because, through the media, they control us. They control what we discuss between ourselves, what we think about social topics, and most important, what topics are taboo and are never to be talked about (like this one). It was inevitable -- INEVITABLE -- that Jews should control Reddit, as they now do. It was INEVITABLE that they should start to shape the debates within Reddit to match the controlled debate they have created in the rest of the mainstream media. These things could be foreseen, they were foreseen, and they have happened.
3 WadeWilsonforPope 2014-06-18
Dude sometimes the Jews arent responsible for every little thing...
-1 Literatewolf 2014-06-18
Exactly. It's the aliens.
9 joseph177 2014-06-18
They don't even need to brigade, when coke pays for a top position of r/videos they will just have an acceptable number. Voting only did something in early reddit, now it's just a mechanism to make you believe you have a voice.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
Replace "reddit" with "America" and you still have a perfectly valid statement. Funny how the progression (regression, rather) of the internet almost perfectly mirrors that of real life.
5 hglman 2014-06-18
There really can not be another reason.
2 ohmisterpabbit 2014-06-18
thank you that puts it into a lot clearer terms.
1 retrobuddha 2014-06-18
yep they can hide who doesn't like shit
1 iamagod__ 2014-06-18
First they had to fuzz tallies to make it less obvious. Now they do away with that all together.
2 holocauster-ride 2014-06-18
It only benefits big subs where people aren't voting the way they want.
19 oblivioustoobvious 2014-06-18
So. Hear me out.
Is it that /r/undelete was becoming too popular? This was bad news for the reddit staff. Undelete shows deleted submissions. This can help find censorship. So alright, how do we get past not being able to censor submissions by deletion? Find a way to downvote them easier. Censor them that way.
Thoughts?
11 IAmNotHariSeldon 2014-06-18
I think that's only part of it. Some of us will remember a few months ago when this subreddit got slammed with downvotes, but eventually the brigades let up a little. It's still bad but not as bad as it was. It's possible the brigading was curtailed because it was too obvious, so many people have RES. Now it will be even more difficult to spot brigading.
It's not just this sub obviously. As the PTB have been losing control of the narrative, vote manipulation becomes more and more necessary
7 magnora2 2014-06-18
As much as I would like to think it was because of the popularity of undelete (or that one post I made that got really popular on /r/undelete) the bot has already been fixed to account for the changes. It shouldn't affect the functioning of that subreddit.
However, this does open up a whole new era of accountability-free vote brigading. This is a boon for companies/organizations who wish to censor or feature content.
Hell, eventually you might not even need mods to delete anything anymore. You can just sick the vote brigade on a post and downvote it to oblivion, and no one would be the wiser.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
I'm sure that's a big part of it - too many people were starting to notice the obvious manipulation and censorship. Something had to be done, and this was the best option reddit, inc. could come up with. Ironically, though, I think they may have taken it a bit too far with this step and may end up with a lot more users being aware of what's going on than there were before.
-4 creq 2014-06-18
No. This shouldn't do much of anything really. They use a thing called fuzzing anyway. Those numbers weren't right to begin with.
1 MistrCreazil 2014-06-18
Has anyone actually proved they fuzzed anything?
8 -DocHopper- 2014-06-18
No, that's just the rhetoric being told to us by the same people who concocted that bullshit explanation today.
2 Sir_Edmund_Bumblebee 2014-06-18
It's also a pretty basic anti spam measure used by most websites
2 0ldGregg 2014-06-18
How does it effectively thwart spammers, exactly? It seems like it wouldnt be much of a problem for them at all.
1 tommytwotats 2014-06-18
+6032 l -2 .... 99% downvote
1 tamrix 2014-06-18
Back in the day it was very common that all stories would have 67% like to dislike. People started asking questions so the admins admitted they fuzzed the voting to stop down vote bots from burying stories.
1 shadowofashadow 2014-06-18
I still don't understand how that stops a bot from burying a story.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
It doesn't. It's like they think if they just vaguely allude to "oh, vote fuzzing, etc." that it will shut people up.
"Oh, the votes are fuzzed? I get it now - nothing to see here. Better luck next time bots!"
12 ConspiracyFox 2014-06-18
So how long until someone makes a new website we can move to?
11 cakes_and_pies 2014-06-18
Reddit's codebase is opensource: https://github.com/reddit/reddit
4 nazimoderinos 2014-06-18
TIL: Reddit is a flask app, and I know flask/python pretty well
1 CommPuma 2014-06-18
Last time I heard they said Reddit was made with the Pyramid framework?
1 -DocHopper- 2014-06-18
Meaning...
2 joe-6pak 2014-06-18
Meaning anyone can launch their own version of reddit if they want to.
2 -DocHopper- 2014-06-18
Well why doesn't anyone?
6 joe-6pak 2014-06-18
The hard part is building the community. It would be a significant undertaking.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
http://whoaverse.com/
2 -DocHopper- 2014-06-18
How many current users does it have? Who is the Admin team?
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
I just came across it today so it's about as new to me as it is to you but apparently it's the work of just one person, /u/dt3ft. He's been asking for help with development/design/administration going forward since, obviously, it's a huge undertaking to create a reddit replacement.
I don't know much about developing a website so I can't help much with that but I can help with trying to get the word out. It's an actual, tangible alternative that already exists and just needs a little help to get up and running.
0 Literatewolf 2014-06-18
It's in alpha and meant to be a side project for a college student.
1 holocauster-ride 2014-06-18
people have made a couple, but none of them have really taken off - and they still suffer from the underlying problems of reddit. There should be a decentralized version.
0 cakes_and_pies 2014-06-18
You could fork it and spin up your own Reddit instance.
0 -DocHopper- 2014-06-18
Great rationale. ಠ_ಠ
1 RDS 2014-06-18
Didn't know it was open source. Praise Aaron.
5 Irradiance 2014-06-18
What would be awesome is if you could start a subreddit as easy as wordpress on your own server, and other people could run aggregators, so the whole system was much more decentralized.
2 Kamicolo 2014-06-18
Great idea. Let's get this shit started. I have a WordPress site, though I haven't published anything recently, but I am game to start.
2 nazimoderinos 2014-06-18
I'll be honest, setting up a flask server isn't exactly difficult, especially when they provide ubuntu install scripts...
Also aggregators are easy... there's this thing called RSS feeds that have been around since the end of the 90s
I mean, sure, you have to be slightly competent on the command line, but, a 12 year old who gave a fuck could figure it out in a day
0 Literatewolf 2014-06-18
Actually, cryptocurrency would be used for that instead of aggregators. Namecoin, Torcoin, Curecoin, Archivecoin (?) and others uses the block chain to process information as well as make transactions. By making a coin to be used for purchases, it act as a means to link the separate blogs, subreddits, whatever together in a decentralized way to ensure transparency.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
http://whoaverse.com/
2 runvnc 2014-06-18
There are a lot of them already. The hard part is getting traffic.
-4 YoureAllRobots 2014-06-18
What would that matter when these people who make these sites just sell them to the wealthy fucks anyways?
3 nazimoderinos 2014-06-18
Because the open source community totally just gives away all their secrets because they're money grubbing...
Software is the one frontier greed logic doesn't apply until companies are corporation level.
8 iamalondoner 2014-06-18
I've been monitoring /u/deimorz, the reddit employee who posted the change. He's been downloaded to hell, yet his overall comment Karma keeps on growing. Almost like the downvotes he recieves are being converted to upvotes.
1 [deleted] 2014-06-18
Being an admin I'm sure he is immune to bad karma
1 Testiculese 2014-06-18
He's had over 2000 upvotes in the last 7 hours, and only maybe a thousand negatives. He's had almost 6000 upvotes in the first page of his post history alone.
3 iamalondoner 2014-06-18
Nothing drastic but surprising nevertheless. Don't mind the green/red colours I've used, they don't indicate anything different. I'm not saying that there is something malicious here but if they wanted to fix something on that website this kind of discrepancy would have been more important than hidding votes. look
1 Nodent 2014-06-18
you do realize that he's a REDDIT EMPLOYEE.
0 --Word 2014-06-18
Auto moderator & the censor creator asshat are ill tools.
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7 magnora2 2014-06-18
Clearly a way to allow for more vote brigading. They probably got paid to implement this change so certain organizations could more easily cover their tracks.
6 PathOfLightPOL 2014-06-18
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/
The last glorious bastion of free speech on the interwebs.
Come home.
1 StopDoxMe 2014-06-18
I'm not sure if you're serious or not. Regardless, aren't a lot of users on /pol/ complaining of shill and stuff there, too?
6 expert02 2014-06-18
Think my post got removed because I didn't use the stupid NP link.
http://np.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/cibc7ea
5 magnora2 2014-06-18
I just have to say, I fucking called it. http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/27v0oh/we_are_about_to_hit_critical_mass/
Enjoy the collapse! It's gonna be a mess.
5 magnora2 2014-06-18
Here's a link to the announcement thread. Look at the comments, absolutely no one likes this change. http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/
4 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
Yet they're going full speed ahead with it, despite their entire userbase being vehemently against it. Very telling.
1 magnora2 2014-06-18
Yup, agreed. They must be motivated by something else. It's got to be money.
3 tripsick 2014-06-18
next they should hide usernames and then they can have a complete circle jerk..
5 Nodent 2014-06-18
no no no, next they'll tie your email to your username publicly. then, when ppl start posting their own profile pictures, reddit will roll-out a whole system where you can show off your profile! you can make statements to your new friend group, the entire listening internet!
1 Literatewolf 2014-06-18
No. They shouldn't show any thing for voting. No percentages, no points, nothing. You vote and that is that.
-2 StopDoxMe 2014-06-18
I wouldn't mind that. It'd give a lot more importance to the message, not the messager.
3 Kotis 2014-06-18
This affects the comment section the most. You can still use the % liked and vote total to calculate up and down votes for posts. The comment section, however, has it's votes completely hidden. The only info you see for comments are the total sum points beside the username.
Manipulation of the comment section with vote brigades can now be done unseen.
Here is an example:
I make a comment that is popular with lots of people of a subreddit but unpopular with a particular group that wants to limit discusion. The group then vote my comment down till it has very few points. Yet all I can see is that my comment has very few points. I have no clue if it has been downvoted or if no one has voted on it at all.
2 spaceman77 2014-06-18
Good god we need to design a new reddit that is incorruptible.
2 ICareBecauseUDo 2014-06-18
I'm pretty much done with this site. I'll be hitting back here in conspiracy (obviously WAAAY down the page, even further than normal), but yeah, this probably marks the end of my reddit days. A pity. This site was decent for a while. Any suggestions?
3 trashyredditry 2014-06-18
Gold boycott is in order.
1 MrGobekli 2014-06-18
From /r/AdviceAnimals:
http://imgur.com/xB4kA2G
Also, I recommend you guys have a browse of that subreddit. Normalisation is already well under way. The main argument being pushed is that only RES users are affected/will care... 'No big deal', 'get a life', etc.
2 ICareBecauseUDo 2014-06-18
lmfao @ get a life from people on reddit
Same old story, just in a website this time.
You know, I figured they'd at least change tactics from time to time.
2 Valimar77 2014-06-18
Corporate masters : "OK Reddit, Time to suppress the truth!"
Reddit: "Yes oh corporate giants"
1 retrobuddha 2014-06-18
the idiots are running this fucking shit.
1 Orangutan 2014-06-18
Can't we set this subreddit to show them? Is that an option?
2 ohmisterpabbit 2014-06-18
From my understanding not any more.
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4 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
Surprise! r/conspiratard members are happy with reddit for new update
5 quantumcipher 2014-06-18
Speaks volumes, doesn't it?
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-06-18
Yep. Just further confirmation of what most of us already know/suspect.
1 trashyredditry 2014-06-18
Holy ?|? that is messed up!TM
1 ekudram 2014-06-18
New Title "Reddit is Bullshit."
0 bentika 2014-06-18
Maybe we can get a bounty going for some kind of chrome extension fix? This is such bullshit
7 thenightwassaved 2014-06-18
Not possible as those numbers aren't available anywhere now. Nothing a chrome extension could do.
-2 [deleted] 2014-06-18
Hahahahaha what a fucking conspiracy we have here
-15 ScootsiePootsie 2014-06-18
who cares?
11 mracidglee 2014-06-18
Which do you prefer seeing on the front page: stories chosen by popular and transparently tallied vote, or stories chosen by a black box?
Really the decent change if they're worried about gaming should be to make all votes public.
2 anononaut 2014-06-18
Theowners of reddit arent WORRIED about gaming. They are worried that they the owners of reddit cant game as well anymore becuase users are catching on that reddit is not really user controlled much at all anymore.
1 mracidglee 2014-06-18
Quite possible. Have an ?.
0 Necazian 2014-06-18
I thought secret voting was a good thing in a democracy
1 apresx 2014-06-18
Not when there are bots voting.
0 SeaRavenTX 2014-06-18
Never thought of that, good point
1 mracidglee 2014-06-18
It'd be secret enough. How do you retaliate against Mr Acid Glee and Necazian?
-4 ScootsiePootsie 2014-06-18
its pictures of cats.... again, who cares?
1 mracidglee 2014-06-18
Look at the Reddit front page. It is mostly not cats. Right now, there are no cats. There is, however, "T-Mobile's CEO Went Off Last Night And Said AT&T And Verizon Are 'Fuckers' That Are 'Raping You'" and "Dick Cheney Should be Rotting in The Hague, Not Writing Editorials", and a picture of a puppy.
36 YoureAllRobots 2014-06-18
Precisely, it is underhanded censorship in the guise of political correctness.
9 joseph177 2014-06-18
They don't even need to brigade, when coke pays for a top position of r/videos they will just have an acceptable number. Voting only did something in early reddit, now it's just a mechanism to make you believe you have a voice.
2 ohmisterpabbit 2014-06-18
thank you that puts it into a lot clearer terms.
1 retrobuddha 2014-06-18
yep they can hide who doesn't like shit
8 -DocHopper- 2014-06-18
No, that's just the rhetoric being told to us by the same people who concocted that bullshit explanation today.
1 tamrix 2014-06-18
Back in the day it was very common that all stories would have 67% like to dislike. People started asking questions so the admins admitted they fuzzed the voting to stop down vote bots from burying stories.
5 hglman 2014-06-18
There really can not be another reason.
1 iamagod__ 2014-06-18
First they had to fuzz tallies to make it less obvious. Now they do away with that all together.
1 mracidglee 2014-06-18
Quite possible. Have an ?.