1. A lot of fundie mental types consider conspiracies valid as it fits in their worldview (i.e. structured, a narrative etc.)

2. There are genuine weird links with occultism and conspiracy....Skull and Bones, Freemasonry, occult symbolism etc.)

How much of that is genuine and how much of that is reactive or 'playing on a meme' is up for debate, but both the history of presidency in the US and the history of pop culture is soaked in this weird occultism that I have no idea how to parse, aside from thinking it's weird.

It could be that there was a high ranking NSA official who founded the Temple of Set. There were a lot of satanic ritual abuse allegations a few decades ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Set

So, you're an entry level satanist who thinks that his limited dabbling makes him an expert on satanic cults worldwide. You are deluded and incredibly naive - a useful idiot.

Thank you for your personal attack on me. I never once claimed I am a Satanist. I merely stated I have attempted a ritual. Which Satanic cult are we talking about here though? Devil Worshippers or true satanists?

Some people use the term to describe followers of the Mystery Babylon schools, which is the diametrically opposed to Christianity, hence Satanism. Goths and emos aren't satanists.

Similar in style to Paganism? I must admit that I am rather naive about the Bablyon Mysteries, I shall research thanks dear internet frund.

For proof that those in control are satanists, Freemasons, Illuminati, Jesuit, Rosicul ect..

Go to Google maps and look at the street layout above the white house. Its a pentagram, and the supreme council of Freemasonry is right on top of it where baphomet's torch would be. Learn about Egyptian symbolism about the obelisk and reflecting pool, the bohemian owl around the state house. All the symbolism is there, and a lot of other places, like where JFK was ritually murdered.

You don't have to believe what the religion they do, but that doesn't mean they aren't in control.

If your interested in learning about them, I would read Albert Pikes (very famous Freemason) "Morals and Dogma of the free and accepted Scottish Rite", the kaballah, "The book of the law" by Aleister Crawly. You'll find out a lot from those to start. I'm currently looking for a good Egyptian story and hieroglyph meaning.

Egypti

Good webpage on symbolism

My response to the thread's author, which I am unable to post to as he has since deleted said post:

I will go so far as to say most people who throw this claim of Satanism around have:

Never read any official Satanic documents.

The irony.. considering I happen to have read LaVey's Satanic Bible, LaVey's Satanic Rituals, Aquino's Setian 'Church of Satan' book, Barret's 'The Magus', among various works on Luciferianism and goetia, among dozens of other grimoires and works of an occult or esoteric nature.

Are already completely over zealous in their own ( or programmed ) religious beliefs.

As an agnostic pantheist, who was an atheist prior to that since age 12, and raised a Catholic until I had enough common sense to realize organized religion is a farce, I find that statement laughable.

Using it for a shock factor.

And what would anyone here have to gain from that? I can't think of any conceivable way that would work to one's advantage or what anyone would gain from doing so, other than potential further ridicule from those who are equally dismissive of such claims without researching them, such as yourself (OP).

Mean elite secularists.

If, by "secularists", you truly mean the Luciferian elite who have been prominent among the American and European banking dynasties and aristocracy for centuries, albeit in secret (and for good reason), certain secular Satanist groups (i.e. Church of Satan and mainstream satanism, which is a joke at best), and more curious: theistic Satanist groups as with the Order of Nine Angles, not to mention the mainstream faux-Christian religious groups who have been infiltrated by closeted Luciferians (the Vatican, Mormons, etc.), the closeted Luciferians hiding among the higher degrees of Freemasonry, the LHP (left-hand path) Thelemites of the O.T.O. (Ordo Templi Orientis), then sure.

Perhaps specifically, those who created the phrase: Novus Ordo Seclorum, which literally translates to "New Secular Order" but has also been interpreted as "New Word Order" and "New Order (or New Secular Order) of the Ages" whose goal (since 1776) has in part been to establish a system of global governance / dominance, to destroy the old world's monarchs and systematically subvert the democracies that replaced them since they had fomented the first revolution of its type in France via proxy with the hidden hand of their Grand Orient lodges, to establish a system of authoritarian plutocratic oligarchy under the guise of freedom and democracy for the masses, to gradually abolish the world's Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity & finally Judaism), replacing the Old World Order or old world theocracy with a supposedly secular society that under cloak of darkness embraces the esoteric, occult and Luciferian doctrines.

Is it not plausible that the founding fathers who many of which were Freemasons found this symbolism inspiring? Is it a pentagram of an inverted pentagram (that used by Satanists) a pentagram is an ancient symbol used by the pythagoreans (i believe) to represent the four elements of nature and the fifth of spirit. Satanists inverted the pentagram to disgrace the holy trinity and uphold the duality of mankind. I feel less qualified in addressing your other issues and will do some research.

Edit: I believe the owl has been used for a very long time as a symbol of wisdom which is akin to enlightenment. Symbolism to my eyes and mind is not proof. Things like Monsantos ceo/pres working for the government now is PROOF.

Freemason's are Lucifer worshiper's, that is a fact. Read Albert Pikes Morals and Dogma of the Free and Accepted Scottish Rite. Enlightenment, the light, torchbearer, it's a synonymous for Lucifer. That's why Baphomet has a torch on his head

He mentions the powerful ability in which the traditional SYMBOL of Lucifer has over the human intelligence. To claim Freemasons worship Lucifer may be another story, the last time I checked most Freemasons demand only that you believe in a creator, however it seems predominated by Christianity, not Satanism. And that is indeed why the Baphomet has a torch, it is merely a symbol for you to use, as a tool, towards your own enlightenment and search for truth and happiness.

Everyone interested in this topic needs to see the work of Ted Gunderson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EBowBPwNW4

He served as head of the FBI in Memphis, Dallas, and LA. Relevant excerpt from his wiki :

In a 1995 conference in Dallas, Gunderson warned about the proliferation of secret Satanic groups, and the danger posed by the New World Order, a shadow government that would be controlling the US government.[9] He also claimed that a "slave auction" in which children were sold to men in turbans had been held in Las Vegas, that four thousand ritual human sacrifices are performed in New York City every year, and that the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was carried out by the US government.[9] Gunderson believed that in the US there is a secret widespread network of groups who kidnap children and infants, and subject them to Satanic ritual abuse and subsequent human sacrifice.

disinfo discredit, FUD

This. "Every".

Appy polly loggies my dear mate, one meant merely to say that the vast majority forgive for my slippage in parley of your verbiage. Point to me three major "World take over" conspiracies or major hoax that is not tied back to said conspiracy that does not mention Satanism. Thanks for trying.

You're full of shit.

Cannot find the goods? Thanks again. And yes I just ate so I imagine defecation will proceed shortly.

List 10, from the top 100 in this sub, that state "the satanists" are behind most conspiracies.

1. NWO
2. Skull & Bones
3. Anything Alex Jones has ever said
4. American Globalization by secret cabals
5. American Corporatocracy
6. Bohemian Grove

There's most your list for you. Each of this is directly related TO or a variation OF each other. All involve at one point another mentioned Freemasonry and then a matter of time before ELITIST WORLD HUNGRY SATANISTS!

I started this thread inquiring as to why, even though I believe most of these things to be true, they all resort to name-calling and emotional knee-jerk responses from terms like SATANISM to grab people attention? It seems rather irresponsible to automatically assume these people are affiliated with actual and legitimate Satanism. Your turn honey.

Btw nice going with the " I can't find one that doesn't so make him list all the ones that do!" Silly internet.

Can't follow simple instructions. Typical.

Because it's a huge part of their system of control. The Satanic initiation ritual serves a gatekeeping function -- keeps all people with any sort of conscience locked out. And it is perfect blackmail material -- do as we say or we'll release video of you raping a little kid.

It's all about total control.

Not for the faint of heart: Surviver Eyewitness Testimony: Child trafficking, torture, rape, and murder; Catholic Church implicated

I mean, if you want to argue that child sacrifice and such aren't "Satanic", fair enough, but these people definitely think they're Satanic.

You have obviously read none of the aforementioned comments related to this discussion? Satanic Panic 1980's Google it. Satanic Initiation? The only officially recognized group of Satanists is the school founded and a direct descendant of that made famous by Anton LaVey has an initiation. It's costs you $200.00 USD on their website and can be revoked at ANY TIME for ANY REASON.

I certainly do not agree with any form of violence that is not warranted by self defense. Things such as child rape, trafficking, rape and murder are vile aspects of the human condition. Using the term Satanic to mean inhuman acts perpetrated by humans is likes me calling every single kind-hearted act an act of God.

EDIT: Most of these "Satanic" acts are conducted by perverse theistic hooligans trying to appease some devil of this or that cause.

Well if you could get them to stop raping, torturing, and murdering children that would be great.

Do you mean Satanists, Catholic priests or Humans in general? The first one doesn't, it's listed in the Satanic bible that to harm to any child for any reason is not to be tolerated. The second end the facade, and the third it's kind of in our genes.

Because the Freemasons that run this country are LITERALLY Satanists. Alex Jones made his name off of a video in which he videotaped a Satanic ritual taking place at Bohemian Grove. You can watch it yourself here. The criminal organization that controls our country are literal Satanists.

As someone who has personally practiced a Satanic ritual, THIS IS NOT A SATANIC RITUAL. What do you mean by Literal satanists? As in LaVey Satanists? Or perverted christians praising a make believe bogeyman?

OMIT:Btw Reddit mod why is Christian(with lower case c a misspelling?)

Google does your autocorrect, or like IE or whatever.

I feel stupid, thank you.

THIS IS NOT A SATANIC RITUAL.

So what is it? You've personally "practiced a satanic ritual"? What did you do?

There are numerous types of Satanic rituals and I cannot with 100% certainty that this may not be some sort of improvised ritual. I can however say that ritual is a very private purging of emotions. I wouldn't be doing my Satanic duties if I gave away all of the tid-bits to ye now would I? A quick google of either The Satanic Bible of Satanic Rituals (LaVey) and a visit to their website can help you gain an understanding of some of the more common types of ritual.

Edit: My personal opinion of this "Satanic Ritual" is just like any other major religion, it is an organized event designed to elicit a particular state of mind of effect.

Lavey isn't even Satanism, it's just extreme atheism.

i remember reading that the basis for his thing was ayn rands objectivism

People don't know the difference between satanism and luciferianism. Those controlling the world are of lucifer. All conspiracy roads lead to luciferians.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_bloodlines

Thank you for this article I shall devour it's inner meanings and apply it to our grand Satanic achievement! Kudos brother or sister transgender or not.

At first glance though if this is what our world leaders are subscribing to no wonder so much fucked up shit is happening. This looks like the Kabbalah gang banged several other major world philosophies all while embracing the scientific model of the universe.

"...official Satanic documents..."

What's that mean? Satan wrote a manifesto?

True satanists are individualist and do not need much more than food, shelter, love, and a little mystery.

This is your problem. Satanism existed long before LaVey and all the other posers co-opted the word. Real satanism is anti-human. If you want to make up some other religion (which you have), then you should find a new name to call yourselves. You wouldn't make a New Age cult and call it Church of Jesus, would you?

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

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Yeah /r/POLITIC scrapes every post from here, no biggie.

That sub may be incredibly useful one day.

same as in r libertarian and anarcho capitlism

Satanism is not mentioned in every conspiracy theory.

Skull & Bones / NWO / Secret Cabals of this and that nature Satanic Panic of the 1980's?

To everyone:

All I am asking is that if you are willing to subscribe to circumstantial evidence and suddenly claim is it PROOF of this or that theory would it not behoove yourself and other you are trying to enlighten with actual first hand information? I do not deny the myriad of links between corporate America and secret societies, not one bit. But to bring another completely unrelated religion into the game because it sounds bad or you personally do not believe in it's philosophy does not automatically make it part of your universal conspiracy.

There is a reason but we are not enlightened or illuminated enough to be let in =)

For all of your with the inability to fact check of go directly to first hand sources, here is your little Satanic Ritual spoon fed to you. Nude altar and all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1zsIk6WcNM

Ending this thread I'm tired and need a cigarettes I appreciate each and everyone of you giving your opinions and may truth always be what is aimed for.

laveyan satanism (founded by anton lavey in the 60s) =/= this type of satanism.

he based his satanism off of ayn rands objectivism

Satan simply means "adversary" in semitic languages.

I would suspect it goes back to the Illuminate foundation of the Knights Templar association and their religious affiliations.

well are you talking la vey satanism which is completely different from the actual devil worshiping and baby raping your david ickes are saying?

Simply a way to arouse fear.

To address the claims that Satanism=Hedonism. True Satanism is not an advocate of hedonism. Hedonism implies doing whatever feels good. Satanism is pragmatic, in the worlds of LaVey ( the founder of the only official Church of Satan ) it is much more Epicurean in style.

Secondly the Temple of Set is NOT an official Church of Satan organization.

What the fuck does "discredit disinfo FUD" mean? Get the fuck out of my thread.

I created this thread not politic. Back on topic.

I merely created this as a musing from hearing this and that theory almost ALWAYS spouting Satanist this and that. Fear mongering fools deserve to be absorbed in their own paranoia.

Fear mongering fools deserve to be absorbed in their own paranoia.

Are you familiar with Freemasonry? Do you know what the Order of the Quest and the Jesuit Rite is? Did you know that both John Kerry and GWB are Skull and Bones which is a sect of the Jesuit Order? This is the oath you have to take to be a Jesuit: http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

Freemasonry demands that you believe in a creator. I have seen and read parts of Morals & Dogma. Satanists believe whatever they want to believe if it makes them feel better to have a god, make one. If not, don't. There is no required this and that rhubarb to become a Satanist. Other than a membership fee.

Discredit disinfo FUD

Means Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

It means that by muddying the waters with scary sky fairy religion fantasy bollocks you can discredit the entire premise of the opposition.

It's not exactly clandestine tactics.

Thank you, I'm personally not to big a fan of making everything an acronym and rather avoid trying to learn new ones outside of my studies.

No worries man, life in general now is a minefield of acronyms, the computer security folks are the worst trolls of all with their self referencing acronym meme....WINE stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator, TOR stands for TOR ONION ROUTER....

Self referencing acronyms are funny, sorry this post had nothing to do with anything at hand :/

All the best :)

e2a: the self referencing bit is a callback to fractal patterns...the joke "what does the 'b' in benoit. b mandelbrot stand for?"

A. "Benoit b. Mandelbrot"

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I cannot deny any of what has been said here. It is very much akin to Nietzsche's will to power. But to label all Satanists psychopaths seems rather like labeling all Muslims or Christians fundamentalists

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Apathetic and psychopath are very good descriptors for the state of mind we perceive most in power to possess. Thank you.

At first glance though if this is what our world leaders are subscribing to no wonder so much fucked up shit is happening. This looks like the Kabbalah gang banged several other major world philosophies all while embracing the scientific model of the universe.