Zionists have one goal: the preservation of Israel. They do not care how they go about it whether through deceit, terrorism, subjugation, etc. Many Zionists are Israeli, many have dual citizenship in the US, many are American. But they all share that same goal. Zionists in the US have more-or-less permeated the United States govt to the point that the US govt works for Israel at the expense of the US. Since Zionists are the controllers of world capital through the banking system, they essentially rule countries, including our own. Zionists advocate stealing land from the Palestinians, disregarding them as humans. They also anger every country in the Middle East through their disregard for human rights. This is why the Middle East hates Israel. It's also why they hate us--because we gave Israel all of its weapons, and we give them billions in aid each year so they can spend it to further disenfranchise the Palestinians. Zionists have hijacked the US and are using it as their own tool to execute their twisted brand of foreign policy (look no further than Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran). If Israel doesn't like someone, you can guarantee the president will be on TV talking about going to war with them. Many people even think Israel had a role in nine-eleven (and with good reason). The main reason people don't like Zionists is because they've stuck their hands in the US as one would a puppet, and are using the US for their own gain at the expense of the US citizen. Many would like all ties to be severed with the Zionists and Israel.
tl;dr Zionists like Isreal, want many more years of a powerful, influential Jewish state and preserving it is all they want. They do a lot of shady shit (i.e. Palestinian genocide) with a lot of shady people (the CIA, US gov't at large) in shady ways (double standards, out-right lies). The USA serves Isreal and and foot (military aid).
Not to mention the centuries of people saying that Jewish bankers control the world economy.
Jewish money handlers and bankers introduced the concept of interest into loan repayment. Charging interest has been outlawed as 'evil' and 'enslaving' by many cultures and societies. The reason you pay 4 times for your house over 30 years what you agree to pay for your house is because of interest, a Jewish concept. The whole point of interest is to ensure that people who have money don't have to work - they only have to charge interest. It's neat for them because they can effectively enslave people - whole populations.
Established in 1961, Camp Judaea is a small, Jewish, Israel-centered summer camp for boys and girls ages 7-15 nestled on 118 acres in beautiful Hendersonville, North Carolina.
At Camp Judaea we offer a wide variety of exceptionally fun activities in a loving family atmosphere. Our activities include horseback riding, farming, basketball, softball, volleyball, flag football, ultimate frisbee, archery, visual arts, cooking, pottery, metalwork, singing, dancing, drama, campouts, field trips, swimming, boating, tennis, special teen trips to New York & Washington, DC, backpacking and so much more. Our philosophy centers around five developmental “pillars”: Israel, Judaism, Nature, Community and Individual Growth.
Camp Judaea’s “tsevet” (staff) is comprised of individuals who have years of experience in summer camping, both as campers and as staff, and a desire and ability to work with children. They are enthusiastic and motivated to work with children in our unique environment. They bring with them an understanding of young people, camping skills, and an outstanding Jewish and Zionist background.
If Muslim "summer camps" were progamming children to celebrate organized terrorism, and their covert and overt actions while simultaneously pushing them to enlist in the armed forces of a foreign army, then they would be flagged as terrorist organizations and have their U.S. non-profit status revoked.
This isn't being done, or even discussed with this "summer camp". I wonder why that is ..... hmmm.
Camp Judea specifically states that they focus on Zionist programing, and brag about the excellent Zionist background of their camp employees.
So sure kids play, have fun, and learn about "Zionist Heroes" like the terrorist organization Irgun
Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.
The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts.[3][4] In particular the Irgun was branded a terrorist organisation by Britain,[5] the 1946 Zionist Congress[6] and the Jewish Agency.[7] The Irgun believed that any means necessary to establish the Jewish State of Israel, including terrorism, was justifiable.[8]
The "campers" then take a trip to Israel where they are pressured to be "Most Moral" IDF conscripts ...where they get to beat handcuffed Arab children on a daily basis.
MI5 files: Zionist terrorist plotted to kill Winston Churchill
A Zionist terrorist planned to assassinate Winston Churchill in order to secure a Jewish state, MI5 records show.
Bet-Zuri was hanged in 1945 for murdering Lord Moyne, the UK's minister resident in the Middle East and a close friend of Churchill, in Cairo in November 1944.
After the Second World War there was a sharp rise in Zionist terrorism in Palestine, which was still administered by Britain, in an attempt to put pressure on Clement Attlee's Labour government to create a Jewish state.
Benjamin M. Emanuel, passed "secret codes" to Menachem Begin.[5] A Chicago pediatrician, he is father to Rahm Emanuel, Ari Emanuel and Ezekiel J. Emanuel.[6][7][8]
Have you bothered to do any research of your own? The information that's out there about Zionism is extensive, the only thing stopping you from learning more about it is you.
zionism is a multifaceted term, you can't just give it one fit all definition, for some it's about grabbing land, for others it's about having a home, for some it's about finance and for others it's about choseness, for some it's jewish limited, for others anyone can be a zionist, you could read your entire life about just this very topic, so you can't explain it in one sentence for sure... Also, just going by your definition, it seems like this sentiment of self-determination can easily be exploited politically (hint: it is), and furthermore, these line of thoughts breed communautarism, which can happen peacefully (cf Syria before zionists took interest), or not so peacefully (cf Syria after zionists took interest).
The Zionist movement mainly founded by Herzl, as based off his writings, is actually pretty straightforward, emphasizing the importance of unity throughout the Jewish diaspora (aka nationalism) and the need for an independent Jewish nation-state. People can, and have, interpreted that in varying ways, but that's how it started off. Obviously nationalism can run extreme and have some nasty consequences, but I think as a whole this subreddit overestimates both the intent and the level of Jewish influence in world--and especially US--affairs. Also, to be clear, are you saying that Zionists caused the Syrian troubles? Because, kind of to reiterate a point of my argument, that place was a powder-keg created by a toxic mix of colonial and Cold War influence, and to ascribe the current chaos purely to Zionists is disingenuous at best.
There are some theories surrounding zionism. Plenty, actually. The most common ones are centered around money. Alledgedly the owners of some of the biggest banks (think the federal reserve, goldman sachs, etc.,) in the world are zionists. They are behind the federal reserve act, the federal reserve itself, and everything concerning banking, basically. If you control the economy, you control the people.
Some take it much further, sprouting from the above towards an idea about something along the lines that when the fed was created back around 1913 or so, the bankster bailed out americas economy. In return, they were offered the authority to print money for our government. Some take it further than that and say that during this period, the bankster and the then current politicians struck a deal that essentially turned america into a business or corporation rather than a self-sovereign nation. The great depression was basically economical arson, and through insider trading a very few individuals got sickenly wealthy.
Then, there are more theories that take it further, and explain how the zionists end goal is to take over the world, and that hitler saw how they were invading/infiltrating his country by taking many different political roles, and thus, the holocaust. (Thats a bit too far for my taste, just for the record)...
Some people will even theorize that one of the results of zionism has been and is the removal of palestinians from their land. And, through contracts/agreements/treaties/alliances, are the fundamental reason why america is such a war whore. They claim it is a direct result of the zionists who have infiltrated our country's government to help them succeed in their end goal...
There are undoubtedly plenty more theories surrounding zionism. The best thing for you to do is to educate yourself. It is a touchy topic for some, because they are too ignorant and refuse to educate thenselves on the differences between zionism and judaism. Youd want to make sure you understand the differences clearly, and then the theories surrounding zionism become more intelligible.
Btw, id look into the controversial nature of the antidefamation league as well.
Now, on a personal level, i dont necessarily believe these theories about zionism. I still have yet to find suitable evidence. But, what i will tell you is that if you do enough research, especially if you come across some websites written by jews who are against zionism and explain why, you will find that some things dont add up. There is certainly an agenda or ploy at foot with zionism, but to what end? No one can say for sure.
But, it truely is best to research this topic yourself, and to not let others, eslecially on this sub, ruin your integrity through hearsay, as many, many, many folks in this particular sub either dont understand what zionism actually is, and by extension, the very theories they say they subscribe too. It makes them look silly and/or racist and/or ignorant.
It should be fairly easy to read for several hours of info concerning this topic, so i will make a short list of things for you to understand:
the federal reserve act, the fed, and the theoriez behind all that mess
the antidefamation league
theodor herzl, the father of the modern political movement called zionism
askenazi jews vs sephardic jews vs mizrahi jews
the faith/religion of judaism itself
what zionists actually say about zionism, and what jews say about judaism
the long history of zionism
how the bankers play a role
how all these things are interconnected and differ from one another.
Wikipedia is a great source to start from, but i would suggest that once you exhaust wikipedia, move on to other websites, pro- and anti- zionism websites, as well as jewish and non-jewish websites. Try to br as unbiased in your research as you can.
TL;DR Zionism certainly has its place in this subreddit, as it is in abundance of theories about conspiracies and stuff... We just have to remain cognizant of the many misunderstandings, intentional or not, that comez with the topic.
Let me refer you to the line where i said, "TO START". It is most definately a fantastic way to start your research. To start means to begin, fyi.
There is no "allegedly" - there is "definitely"
There is no concrete proof of alot of the theories involving zionism. Show me the concrete proof, and ill change the word "alledgedly" to "definately".
These theories alledge certain claims. There is much controversy about this topic, as well as all the other topics for that matter. So again, show me the proof, and i mean concrete proof, and ill personally edit my previous post.
Its funny how in the same comment you pointed out how they are so good at hiding things from the public, yet on the other hand you "definately" know these things as a fact.
This is the difference between you and i, i prefer to compartmentalize my beliefs against my speculations. I heavily enjoy discussing and speculating about things such as the theories surrounding zionism. But, i wont,not for a second, claim that these theories are true. Even if i believe them to be true, ill say that this is what i believe. I wont pedantically tell people they are wrong and i am right because i believe this theory and they dont. That wouldnt be openminded, and is not considered to he fair discourse.
For the record, i would love to hear what you have to say about zionism. I mean that with respect and candor. This is one of my favorite topics, actually.
Just do me a favor, and dont pedantically tell me im wrong when you missed some important key phrases in your haste to "correct" me where you believe differently.
There is always the option of agreeing to disagree, too.
(Btw, im interested to hear what you have to say about wikipedia being tainted as well. Please elaborate for me :-) )
Zionism isn't about $$$ or Judaism. It's really about rituals, numerology, mythology, the history of civilization/power, a mass of symbolic events, etc. It's deep, old esoteric shit. When people get caught up in just American history, they aren't looking deep enough. The current "elite" are older than the Torah. It's not really about Jews, it's about God vs. Satan.
Just skimmed it. It is literally a collection of all the classic anti-Semitic tropes. It seems doubly ironic that you'd quote Einstein, first for the obvious, and second that you'd go so far as to accuse anyone else of ignorance.
I feel no need to waste more of my time with your fake document on the international Jewish conspiracy, and if you've read it twice you need more hobbies.
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
That means dismissing something without even examining it is not just stupid, but as stupid as you can be. Einstein, a very intelligent Jewish man, said that.
Close but not quite. While you make a choice to ignore the fact that the protocols of the elders of zion were, in fact, a hoax, i am ignorant of the details contained within its pages. All the while some dude down the street might not even know it exists, and therefore is ignorant of the fact that it is a real article of propaganda.
The two words have the same roots in latin, yet, ignore is not the root of ignorance. There is a slight difference in the meanings. But, to get back on track ill avoid the etymology...
As for why i havent read it yet, its because i dont really wish to read something that the nazis used as propaganda. I know enough about it to know i dont care much for it, thats all. Maybe one day ill read it through. Maybe. I just dont feel the need. And whether i read it or not doesnt change the fact that it is a fraudulent piece.
Did you even bother to read what it says? Or are you really that dense that you need to come up with excuses to continue believing the protocols are real.
They are words. They can be read and understood. Certain people just close their eyes and run the other way. They refuse to even read them, and they come up with excuses, because they are afraid to face an uncomfortable truth---that we are being mislead.
It's still a hoax, like it or not. In the same way that if someone created a fake mummy, but made it look legitimate, the mummy would still be fake no matter how hard you wish otherwise.
It's pretty simple. Jews control America, and to a lesser degree, the West as a whole. They control it through money. The Jewish political philosophy of Zionism is aggressive and violent, but because it is supported by most wealthy Jews, it has a pervasive and pernicious influence over the United States and its foreign policies.
Let me put it this way -- because Jews have so much power in America, and because Jews almost universally support Zionism, Zionism is a topic of interest to American non-Jews.
There are literally millions of jews who are against zionism. As in, do not support it. As in, they believe it goes against what is taught by judaism itself.
Where do you get your facts from, dude? Almost universally support zionism? Thats like saying that because the majority of americans are white, america is almost universally white. Go ahead and disregard the millions who dont fit your target group. Just dont get angry, or try to argue, if someone decides to call you racist for discriminating.
Bravo for keeping it real. Many Muslims decry Islamist jihad, many Christians decry the Neo-Cons/Christian extremism, and many American, Israeli and otherwise Jews decry Zionism, or it's more extreme form. There are so many religions, sects within religions, so much diversity and myriad interpretations, not to mention corruption and exploitation. Basically, fundamentally good, reasonable people decrying extremism and its political patrons and profiteers. What we need is universal love, harmony and synthesis. We are all human, we all love, hurt, laugh and dream - period. We each have the capacity to work out our problems peacefully and reasonably and those who would seek to disrupt harmony, profit and exploit, will simply have to be firmly told no, and supported in rehabilitation through teaching/guiding (not to be confused with "reeducation").
First they get the money, then they get the power. They loan freely amongst themselves. We got are charged as heavily as markets will allow for. They hold all power.
I think the whole obsession that Jews control america is out of control, first of all I'm a jew and I don't control anything, I pay taxes, I work a regular job, I owe bills and I drive a KIA. I struggle to live paycheck to paycheck and Jewish people are not as united as you think. Many Jews have issues with their synagogues due to high rates, Jews won't hesitate to undermine each other if it benefits them as a individual just like nonjews will take advantage of other nonjews if it benefits them. Zionism is split between Jews, we have religious Zionists, progressive Zionists, and anti Zionist Jews. a Satmar won't have the same views as a secular Jew or a Sephardic Jew.
If you want to talk foreign aid, america also sends plenty of foreign aid to Colombia and Egypt as well as Saudi arabia, I am opposed to all foreign aid anywhere.
I find it disturbing how people obsess about Jews controlling the country, we were hates in Europe for being hobos and not being able to work or mere merchants now we are hated for creating jobs and promoting education?
It seems like the issue in this country is people think it's a Jewish problem instead of looking at their colleagues and peers who vote the bad guys in power.
It seems like the issue in this country is people think it's a Jewish problem instead of looking at their colleagues and peers who vote the bad guys in power.
Nicely said. There are many issues with this country today, and you hit one of the big ones right on the dradle (sorry if that was disrespectful... I honestly meant it in jest)
I feel no need to waste more of my time with your fake document on the international Jewish conspiracy, and if you've read it twice you need more hobbies.
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9 furrowsmiter 2014-07-07
Zionists have one goal: the preservation of Israel. They do not care how they go about it whether through deceit, terrorism, subjugation, etc. Many Zionists are Israeli, many have dual citizenship in the US, many are American. But they all share that same goal. Zionists in the US have more-or-less permeated the United States govt to the point that the US govt works for Israel at the expense of the US. Since Zionists are the controllers of world capital through the banking system, they essentially rule countries, including our own. Zionists advocate stealing land from the Palestinians, disregarding them as humans. They also anger every country in the Middle East through their disregard for human rights. This is why the Middle East hates Israel. It's also why they hate us--because we gave Israel all of its weapons, and we give them billions in aid each year so they can spend it to further disenfranchise the Palestinians. Zionists have hijacked the US and are using it as their own tool to execute their twisted brand of foreign policy (look no further than Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran). If Israel doesn't like someone, you can guarantee the president will be on TV talking about going to war with them. Many people even think Israel had a role in nine-eleven (and with good reason). The main reason people don't like Zionists is because they've stuck their hands in the US as one would a puppet, and are using the US for their own gain at the expense of the US citizen. Many would like all ties to be severed with the Zionists and Israel.
Edit: I just stumbled upon this link right after commenting. Watch from 1:00...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOi7ienMfNA&app=desktop
6 YoStephen 2014-07-07
tl;dr Zionists like Isreal, want many more years of a powerful, influential Jewish state and preserving it is all they want. They do a lot of shady shit (i.e. Palestinian genocide) with a lot of shady people (the CIA, US gov't at large) in shady ways (double standards, out-right lies). The USA serves Isreal and and foot (military aid).
Not to mention the centuries of people saying that Jewish bankers control the world economy.
4 Ahbraham 2014-07-07
Jewish money handlers and bankers introduced the concept of interest into loan repayment. Charging interest has been outlawed as 'evil' and 'enslaving' by many cultures and societies. The reason you pay 4 times for your house over 30 years what you agree to pay for your house is because of interest, a Jewish concept. The whole point of interest is to ensure that people who have money don't have to work - they only have to charge interest. It's neat for them because they can effectively enslave people - whole populations.
6 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
Charging interest incentivizes loaning out funds, it's kind of an inevitable aspect of wide-spread loaning.
2 Ahbraham 2014-07-07
That can be done at 1%.
I don't have to tell you what Usury is, do I?
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0 TheHighestEagle 2014-07-07
No the jews have brainwashed me oh no they are at my door now for the daily brainwashingAHHAHAHHh.
1 Enochx 2014-07-07
Did your parents send you to Camp Judea for Zionist-Programing?
At Camp Judaea we offer a wide variety of exceptionally fun activities in a loving family atmosphere. Our activities include horseback riding, farming, basketball, softball, volleyball, flag football, ultimate frisbee, archery, visual arts, cooking, pottery, metalwork, singing, dancing, drama, campouts, field trips, swimming, boating, tennis, special teen trips to New York & Washington, DC, backpacking and so much more. Our philosophy centers around five developmental “pillars”: Israel, Judaism, Nature, Community and Individual Growth.
0 TheHighestEagle 2014-07-07
under your logic any "jewish" summer camp is bad...wait...under your logic anything jewish is bad...right?
1 Enochx 2014-07-07
Take a look at the Zionist-programing at this "summer camp"
Do they teach these campers to celebrate the Zionist-Jew terrorists that founded Israel using organized terrorist groups, and overt acts of terrorism?
Check out the IDF soldiers on this page? Do you think enlistment in the IDF is promoted over the U.S. Armed forces in their "Host Nation"?
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0 Enochx 2014-07-07
If Muslim "summer camps" were progamming children to celebrate organized terrorism, and their covert and overt actions while simultaneously pushing them to enlist in the armed forces of a foreign army, then they would be flagged as terrorist organizations and have their U.S. non-profit status revoked.
This isn't being done, or even discussed with this "summer camp". I wonder why that is ..... hmmm.
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1 Enochx 2014-07-07
Camp Judea specifically states that they focus on Zionist programing, and brag about the excellent Zionist background of their camp employees.
So sure kids play, have fun, and learn about "Zionist Heroes" like the terrorist organization Irgun
The "campers" then take a trip to Israel where they are pressured to be "Most Moral" IDF conscripts ...where they get to beat handcuffed Arab children on a daily basis.
Just like their Zionist Heroes.
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1 Enochx 2014-07-07
More of those "Zionist Heroes"
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1 Enochx 2014-07-07
These are all links of Zionist Terrorists... Camp Judea's "Zionist Heroes"
Are the Jewish children at taught that current mayor of Chicago Rahm Emanuel's father is a bus-bombing "Zionist Hero"?
0 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
How does one run out of jobs and money?
2 anticonventionalwisd 2014-07-07
Religious extremism of any kind should be decried while proactive, hearty reason and universal love should be promoted. Balance.
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4 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-07-07
Have you bothered to do any research of your own? The information that's out there about Zionism is extensive, the only thing stopping you from learning more about it is you.
1 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
I know about Zionism, I was more interested in /r/conspiracy's understanding of it.
4 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-07-07
If you know about Zionism, then you should know why it's mentioned when talking about a lot of the conspiracies of the past 100 years.
0 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
My understanding of Zionism is that it's self-determination for the Jews; it has never seemed very controversial to me.
2 asdsadfb 2014-07-07
zionism is a multifaceted term, you can't just give it one fit all definition, for some it's about grabbing land, for others it's about having a home, for some it's about finance and for others it's about choseness, for some it's jewish limited, for others anyone can be a zionist, you could read your entire life about just this very topic, so you can't explain it in one sentence for sure... Also, just going by your definition, it seems like this sentiment of self-determination can easily be exploited politically (hint: it is), and furthermore, these line of thoughts breed communautarism, which can happen peacefully (cf Syria before zionists took interest), or not so peacefully (cf Syria after zionists took interest).
1 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
The Zionist movement mainly founded by Herzl, as based off his writings, is actually pretty straightforward, emphasizing the importance of unity throughout the Jewish diaspora (aka nationalism) and the need for an independent Jewish nation-state. People can, and have, interpreted that in varying ways, but that's how it started off. Obviously nationalism can run extreme and have some nasty consequences, but I think as a whole this subreddit overestimates both the intent and the level of Jewish influence in world--and especially US--affairs. Also, to be clear, are you saying that Zionists caused the Syrian troubles? Because, kind of to reiterate a point of my argument, that place was a powder-keg created by a toxic mix of colonial and Cold War influence, and to ascribe the current chaos purely to Zionists is disingenuous at best.
3 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
There are some theories surrounding zionism. Plenty, actually. The most common ones are centered around money. Alledgedly the owners of some of the biggest banks (think the federal reserve, goldman sachs, etc.,) in the world are zionists. They are behind the federal reserve act, the federal reserve itself, and everything concerning banking, basically. If you control the economy, you control the people.
Some take it much further, sprouting from the above towards an idea about something along the lines that when the fed was created back around 1913 or so, the bankster bailed out americas economy. In return, they were offered the authority to print money for our government. Some take it further than that and say that during this period, the bankster and the then current politicians struck a deal that essentially turned america into a business or corporation rather than a self-sovereign nation. The great depression was basically economical arson, and through insider trading a very few individuals got sickenly wealthy.
Then, there are more theories that take it further, and explain how the zionists end goal is to take over the world, and that hitler saw how they were invading/infiltrating his country by taking many different political roles, and thus, the holocaust. (Thats a bit too far for my taste, just for the record)...
Some people will even theorize that one of the results of zionism has been and is the removal of palestinians from their land. And, through contracts/agreements/treaties/alliances, are the fundamental reason why america is such a war whore. They claim it is a direct result of the zionists who have infiltrated our country's government to help them succeed in their end goal...
There are undoubtedly plenty more theories surrounding zionism. The best thing for you to do is to educate yourself. It is a touchy topic for some, because they are too ignorant and refuse to educate thenselves on the differences between zionism and judaism. Youd want to make sure you understand the differences clearly, and then the theories surrounding zionism become more intelligible.
Btw, id look into the controversial nature of the antidefamation league as well.
Now, on a personal level, i dont necessarily believe these theories about zionism. I still have yet to find suitable evidence. But, what i will tell you is that if you do enough research, especially if you come across some websites written by jews who are against zionism and explain why, you will find that some things dont add up. There is certainly an agenda or ploy at foot with zionism, but to what end? No one can say for sure.
But, it truely is best to research this topic yourself, and to not let others, eslecially on this sub, ruin your integrity through hearsay, as many, many, many folks in this particular sub either dont understand what zionism actually is, and by extension, the very theories they say they subscribe too. It makes them look silly and/or racist and/or ignorant.
It should be fairly easy to read for several hours of info concerning this topic, so i will make a short list of things for you to understand:
the federal reserve act, the fed, and the theoriez behind all that mess
the antidefamation league
theodor herzl, the father of the modern political movement called zionism
askenazi jews vs sephardic jews vs mizrahi jews
the faith/religion of judaism itself
what zionists actually say about zionism, and what jews say about judaism
the long history of zionism
how the bankers play a role
how all these things are interconnected and differ from one another.
Wikipedia is a great source to start from, but i would suggest that once you exhaust wikipedia, move on to other websites, pro- and anti- zionism websites, as well as jewish and non-jewish websites. Try to br as unbiased in your research as you can.
TL;DR Zionism certainly has its place in this subreddit, as it is in abundance of theories about conspiracies and stuff... We just have to remain cognizant of the many misunderstandings, intentional or not, that comez with the topic.
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1 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
Let me refer you to the line where i said, "TO START". It is most definately a fantastic way to start your research. To start means to begin, fyi.
There is no concrete proof of alot of the theories involving zionism. Show me the concrete proof, and ill change the word "alledgedly" to "definately".
These theories alledge certain claims. There is much controversy about this topic, as well as all the other topics for that matter. So again, show me the proof, and i mean concrete proof, and ill personally edit my previous post.
Its funny how in the same comment you pointed out how they are so good at hiding things from the public, yet on the other hand you "definately" know these things as a fact.
This is the difference between you and i, i prefer to compartmentalize my beliefs against my speculations. I heavily enjoy discussing and speculating about things such as the theories surrounding zionism. But, i wont,not for a second, claim that these theories are true. Even if i believe them to be true, ill say that this is what i believe. I wont pedantically tell people they are wrong and i am right because i believe this theory and they dont. That wouldnt be openminded, and is not considered to he fair discourse.
For the record, i would love to hear what you have to say about zionism. I mean that with respect and candor. This is one of my favorite topics, actually.
Just do me a favor, and dont pedantically tell me im wrong when you missed some important key phrases in your haste to "correct" me where you believe differently.
There is always the option of agreeing to disagree, too.
(Btw, im interested to hear what you have to say about wikipedia being tainted as well. Please elaborate for me :-) )
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3 redditeditard 2014-07-07
Zionism isn't about $$$ or Judaism. It's really about rituals, numerology, mythology, the history of civilization/power, a mass of symbolic events, etc. It's deep, old esoteric shit. When people get caught up in just American history, they aren't looking deep enough. The current "elite" are older than the Torah. It's not really about Jews, it's about God vs. Satan.
2 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
3 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
...was a hoax.
0 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
Which part do you consider a hoax, and why?
2 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
All of it. It was found to have been plagarized from three different works as early as the twenties.
1 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
I'm not talking about what you were told.
After reading it, what part of it do you feel is a hoax?
2 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
Albert Einstein said, "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
Not just ignorant...the height of ignorance.
2 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
Just skimmed it. It is literally a collection of all the classic anti-Semitic tropes. It seems doubly ironic that you'd quote Einstein, first for the obvious, and second that you'd go so far as to accuse anyone else of ignorance.
2 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
How so? Break it down for me.
Why skim it? Why do you not feel the need to read it? You are the one asking, "Why Zionism?"
You don't really want to know "Why Zionism?" or you would read them twice. (I have.)
0 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
I feel no need to waste more of my time with your fake document on the international Jewish conspiracy, and if you've read it twice you need more hobbies.
3 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
That means dismissing something without even examining it is not just stupid, but as stupid as you can be. Einstein, a very intelligent Jewish man, said that.
1 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
If I shat on your kitchen floor, how long would you need to examine it before asking me to leave the premises?
1 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
So you choose to ignore.
1 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
It really was a hoax.
2 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
How so? Have you read them? Tell me what part you think is a hoax?
1 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
**Hoax-- (noun)
-Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means
*-something intended to deceive or defraud
After a ten second read on the internet, every source says it was fraudulent. But ill admit, i never read it.
I suppose, however, that it would provide for an insightful template for TPTB, hoax or not, but thats a different discussion altogether...
1 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
[sigh]
You are taking the time to comment on it. Why not actually read it first?
OP asked a question. I responded.
We have freedom of choice. People can choose to ignore all they want. But ignore is the root word of ignorant.
1 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
Close but not quite. While you make a choice to ignore the fact that the protocols of the elders of zion were, in fact, a hoax, i am ignorant of the details contained within its pages. All the while some dude down the street might not even know it exists, and therefore is ignorant of the fact that it is a real article of propaganda.
The two words have the same roots in latin, yet, ignore is not the root of ignorance. There is a slight difference in the meanings. But, to get back on track ill avoid the etymology...
As for why i havent read it yet, its because i dont really wish to read something that the nazis used as propaganda. I know enough about it to know i dont care much for it, thats all. Maybe one day ill read it through. Maybe. I just dont feel the need. And whether i read it or not doesnt change the fact that it is a fraudulent piece.
0 Person_McName 2014-07-07
How about the parts that are almost word for word plagarized from satirical works?
2 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
How in-depth. A wiki link.
1 Person_McName 2014-07-07
Did you even bother to read what it says? Or are you really that dense that you need to come up with excuses to continue believing the protocols are real.
1 grandmacaesar 2014-07-07
Yes, I did read it. I also read the Protocols.
They are words. They can be read and understood. Certain people just close their eyes and run the other way. They refuse to even read them, and they come up with excuses, because they are afraid to face an uncomfortable truth---that we are being mislead.
Have a cool day.
1 Person_McName 2014-07-07
It's still a hoax, like it or not. In the same way that if someone created a fake mummy, but made it look legitimate, the mummy would still be fake no matter how hard you wish otherwise.
1 4to4 2014-07-07
It's pretty simple. Jews control America, and to a lesser degree, the West as a whole. They control it through money. The Jewish political philosophy of Zionism is aggressive and violent, but because it is supported by most wealthy Jews, it has a pervasive and pernicious influence over the United States and its foreign policies.
Let me put it this way -- because Jews have so much power in America, and because Jews almost universally support Zionism, Zionism is a topic of interest to American non-Jews.
2 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
There are literally millions of jews who are against zionism. As in, do not support it. As in, they believe it goes against what is taught by judaism itself.
Where do you get your facts from, dude? Almost universally support zionism? Thats like saying that because the majority of americans are white, america is almost universally white. Go ahead and disregard the millions who dont fit your target group. Just dont get angry, or try to argue, if someone decides to call you racist for discriminating.
1 anticonventionalwisd 2014-07-07
Bravo for keeping it real. Many Muslims decry Islamist jihad, many Christians decry the Neo-Cons/Christian extremism, and many American, Israeli and otherwise Jews decry Zionism, or it's more extreme form. There are so many religions, sects within religions, so much diversity and myriad interpretations, not to mention corruption and exploitation. Basically, fundamentally good, reasonable people decrying extremism and its political patrons and profiteers. What we need is universal love, harmony and synthesis. We are all human, we all love, hurt, laugh and dream - period. We each have the capacity to work out our problems peacefully and reasonably and those who would seek to disrupt harmony, profit and exploit, will simply have to be firmly told no, and supported in rehabilitation through teaching/guiding (not to be confused with "reeducation").
1 iamagod__ 2014-07-07
First they get the money, then they get the power. They loan freely amongst themselves. We got are charged as heavily as markets will allow for. They hold all power.
1 Kohenlevite 2014-07-07
I think the whole obsession that Jews control america is out of control, first of all I'm a jew and I don't control anything, I pay taxes, I work a regular job, I owe bills and I drive a KIA. I struggle to live paycheck to paycheck and Jewish people are not as united as you think. Many Jews have issues with their synagogues due to high rates, Jews won't hesitate to undermine each other if it benefits them as a individual just like nonjews will take advantage of other nonjews if it benefits them. Zionism is split between Jews, we have religious Zionists, progressive Zionists, and anti Zionist Jews. a Satmar won't have the same views as a secular Jew or a Sephardic Jew.
If you want to talk foreign aid, america also sends plenty of foreign aid to Colombia and Egypt as well as Saudi arabia, I am opposed to all foreign aid anywhere.
I find it disturbing how people obsess about Jews controlling the country, we were hates in Europe for being hobos and not being able to work or mere merchants now we are hated for creating jobs and promoting education?
It seems like the issue in this country is people think it's a Jewish problem instead of looking at their colleagues and peers who vote the bad guys in power.
1 strokethekitty 2014-07-07
Nicely said. There are many issues with this country today, and you hit one of the big ones right on the dradle (sorry if that was disrespectful... I honestly meant it in jest)
1 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
I know about Zionism, I was more interested in /r/conspiracy's understanding of it.
0 wobbegongdong 2014-07-07
I feel no need to waste more of my time with your fake document on the international Jewish conspiracy, and if you've read it twice you need more hobbies.