r/conspiracy: MH17 Aircraft not matching up..

MH17 Aircraft not matching up..

52 2014-07-19 by [deleted]

Okay, I don't play the whole conspiracy game much, but my tin foil hat is on right now. Here's something odd I've noticed.

The aircraft in question that was shot down was reported to have the tail number 9M-MRD, because the last two characters are RD, the nose gear doors should read RD. (You can see the RD in this picture of the exact plane here: http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2011-6/30/143837.jpg).

However, passenger 'Cor Pan' posted this photo before getting onboard the aircraft: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1915737/thumbs/o-MH17-PASSENGER-570.jpg

If you look closely you can see that the wheel doors read RC which would mean the aircraft that is in the photo is 9M-MRC. Which would indicate that that aircraft is NOT 9M-MRD which was the one reported shot down.

The aircraft "he took a photo of", he could not have been around. It was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Auckland New Zealand at the time.

So what the fuck is going on here? The aircraft that this passenger from the flight said he was getting on and the one reported crashed do not match up at all.

If you want to get really ridiculous, MH370 that went missing over the Indian ocean had the tail number 9M-MRO; A little work with some paint or filing tool and you can get MRC.

I don't know, draw from this what you will, but something doesn't add up here.

Edit: Formatting issues, typo fixes.

37 comments

10 getityetquestionmark 2014-07-19

Add that it was reported those who were on site claimed some of the bodies may have been dead for a while, based on the decomp and smell immediately after.

3 mcloving_81 2014-07-19

The Explosion and fire would have cooked human, ripped our body parts, guts etc. Not sure if you can just go on smell.

5 Raesong 2014-07-19

There's a pretty big difference between the smell of cooked human and decomposing human.

0 Pazimov 2014-07-19

People are gassy inside, guts smell, for obvious reasons.

9 FriendlessComputer 2014-07-19

Has it ever been confirmed that the photo was legit? Maybe he took a picture of the wrong jet (it's hard to know which jet is yours when there's multiple ones parked in front of the building).

The photo is way too low-quality to make that kind of claim. The JPEG compression could account for the discrepancy. I saw this a LOT with Sandy Hook photos. This photo seems to show it says RD, but again it is very pixelated. But you can clearly see the straight line of the D, where a C would be a curve.

3 namea 2014-07-19

lol this is a picture used 2 years ago. Quick tip : google search images for their authenticity.

1 this_ships_sinking 2014-07-19

though it does look a LOT like gate G3, cor pans picture does not show the gate number, so i guess even looking up what planes were at what gates wont be proof enough, unless there is a way to confirm what gate cor pan took the photo at.

1 womans_unclean_loins 2014-07-19

It's from immediately infront of the plane, the 'Gate'. It's his (what it turns out dishonestly) claimed plane.

7 Sabremesh 2014-07-19

Here's a picture from the crash site showing part of the rear section of 9M-MRD (ie flight MH17).

Here's a "before" picture of 9M-MRD .

And here's a picture of 9M-MRO (ie the "missing" MH370) which could be anywhere, frankly, including Eastern Ukraine.

If you were going to switch two planes, these two would be a good choice. The only conceivable reason for switching them would be if you wanted to stage-manage an "incident".

1 this_ships_sinking 2014-07-19

here have another one of 9M-MRD that shows the front landing gear cover.
edit: heh i forgot the link -- http://www.airliners.net/photo/Malaysia-Airlines/Boeing-777-2H6-ER/2250469/L/&sid=1afe7ee43957fe91d05561922f3ada26

5 nuclearboy0101 2014-07-19

What would be the purpose of switching planes? They would have to make sure that both sets of passengers disappear forever anyway. Seems lile a useless effort at first sight.

5 [deleted] 2014-07-19

Except it says RD... what the fuck man?

Either A, there is a global conspiracy or B there is glare on a shiny airplane hull.

hmmmmm.

0 BlatantConservative 2014-07-19

Yeah, I was thinking that there was finally something here after years of trawling /r/conspiracy, but I have to agree with you.

3 fexfexfex 2014-07-19

Holy shit. I knew that picture would become important. It's going to be hard to make that image go away at this point.

2 radiosterilize 2014-07-19

The aircraft in question that was shot down was reported to have the tail number 9M-MRD, because the last two characters are RD, the nose gear doors should read MD.

Why should the nose gear doors read MD and not RD?

2 [deleted] 2014-07-19

I certainly support this type of investigation and spelunking, but we need more verifiable pictures. The one of the plane at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam is reliable, but from what I've seen...the wreckage debris is quite a different matter to pin down:

1 2 3

2 DeviMon1 2014-07-19

crap the pictures you linked are already removed, and you probably didn't save them :/

1 [deleted] 2014-07-19

Nothing earthshaking on the 3 pics...just from a newspaper's pics of wreckage. Links still working for me.

2 DeviMon1 2014-07-19

ah alright then, just tought it's suspicios that I can't see the pics so early after you posted. Guess it's some sort of country block or whatever. it shows this for me on any of the pics.

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1 mistyflame94 2014-07-19

It's a country block. I used the hola extension to get around the forbidden message.

1 100_percent_diesel 2014-07-19

That clearly reads RD. The metal isn't flat and there is a glint of sun but it's obvious to me.

2 [deleted] 2014-07-19

It's just too much of a coincidence to me that it's another Malaysian plane.

It has to be the same plane and Russia thought it was going to deliberately crash into the country in a terrorist attack we've been waiting for. It got too close to the border and Russia shot it down.

Who was tracking the plane before hand? Was the plane deliberately diverted over a war zone?

2 Xbotr 2014-07-19

there is no cor pan on the passenger list... So its a fake i think.

Edit: dutch :

Cor Schilder en Neeltje Tol Vlak voordat hij in het vliegtuig stapte plaatste de Volendamse artiest Cor Pan (echte naam Cornelis Schilder) een foto op Facebook die hem tot één van de bekendste slachtoffers van vlucht MH17 zou maken. 'Mocht hij verdwijnen, zo ziet hij eruit.' De foto ging de wereld over en nog voor er duidelijkheid was over de slachtoffers stond zijn Facebookpagina vol met steunbetuigingen voor hem, en zijn vriendin Neeltje Tol, waarmee hij reisde.

Cor pan was his stage name.

1 paralemptor 2014-07-19

According to this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696555/Malaysia-Airlines-MH17-passenger-Cor-Pan-joked-plane-disappearing.html it says his gf was also on the flight. It names her as Neeltje Tol - there is no Neetlje Tol on the list but there is a Cornelia Tol on the list.

Neeltje is a Dutch nickname for Cornelia so she checks out.

Weirdly, you're right - Cor isn't showing up.....

2 [deleted] 2014-07-19

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2 paralemptor 2014-07-19

Yeah, true. He is is there after all under Cor Shidler - he checks out.. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1223664-mh17-manifest.html

Her fb page is still up too with a photo of them together. Here's a few screen grabs of his fb page, the RC is much clearer..

http://i.imgur.com/djF54h1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qikcJqN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QLDogHo.jpg

1 [deleted] 2014-07-19

I had thought similar things. Instead of retyping in the comments, here's a link Edit - Terrible typo

1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2014-07-19

Just in case it becomes relevant, /r/videos is carrying this video said to have been filmed on board the shot down aircraft.

http://reddit.tv/#/r/videos/2b0t4k

1 R04drunn3r79 2014-07-19

9M-MRC wasn't at Schiphol Int. Airport when this photo was taken. http://i.imgur.com/djF54h1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qikcJqN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QLDogHo.jpg if the letters on the wheel door really say RC. So either this photo wasn't taken on 17th of July and somebody is lying or this photo is from 9M-MRC on July the 11th when 9M-MRC was at Schiphol Int. Airport. http://nl.flightaware.com/live/flight/9MMRC

Flight data from 9M-MRD http://nl.flightaware.com/live/flight/9MMRD

1 [deleted] 2014-07-19

A man walks past a piece of the crashed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 near the village of Hrabove, eastern Ukraine Monday, July 21, 2014:

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2 Sabremesh 2014-07-19

Double check, but I think the blue livery was back from 2007 - it's not current. They repaint these planes fairly often. I've posted pictures of the current livery in another comment.

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0 prettybirrd 2014-07-19

You are a good person

2 [deleted] 2014-07-19

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1 womans_unclean_loins 2014-07-19

for admitting that you have made a mistake

1 prettybirrd 2014-07-19

I don't think I've ever seen "my fault. You're right" on reddit before.

1 tomjoads 2014-07-19

The first photo looks like a stock photo of an 777 how do you know which plane that is. And in the second photo you cant see jack shit