beyond intense, it's the main hub, the frontpage of the internets...

beyond intense, and mostly pointless too.

if the PTB think the public are small children with no brains to understand, they are gravely mistaken.

You are not paranoid. Astroturfing is intensifying.

Reddit is owned by Conde Nast

This is a watched sub

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Again with the proof bit. Dear lord we knew you were dense, but I guess we need to spell it out for you. P.R.O.O.F is a word demanded by disinformation agents. Proof is the opinion of an individual (judge) or group of people (jury... Spelling it out for ya) that examine the validity of evidence to determine fact. You keep demanding proof, but fail to look at the evidence.

It's like watching someone demand a drink of water, but refusing to hold the glass or turn on the faucet. It's time to grow up.

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I've looked at plenty of evidence. I just apply common sense in my interpretation of it.

Show me proof.

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It appears as though you are asking for proof that has either yet to be leaked to the public, or must be independently studied.

Unfortunately, there is no one link that can expose all of the tricks clandestine agencies use for propaganda, social engineering, and psyop attacks.

If you are really interested in seeing the light, you need to start doing your homework.

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Here ya go. Link to the light.

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Wow!!! I guess you're right. Glenn Greenwald must have been talking about that other internet and popular social networking sites. Thanks for showing me the light.

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Sometimes, well actually most times, your comment is probably being downvoted because it is fucking stupid.

Such eloquent language... and solid reasoning as well. Please, enlighten me in your ways.

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Just remember that small little thing I said to you about what is considered proof in the real world.

Real world disinformation tactic # 19.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

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you're a certified stupid person.

Sweet!!! When do I get my diploma? ;)

Edit: Did you just delete your comment!!! Can't stand by your words. Having problems with that proof I see. LOL!!! You funny!

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Just admit you were wrong.

I was wrong... in trying to educate you. Have a great day. ;)

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I'll just leave this here. It is not about 'PROOF'. It's about evidence.

there's a new name for ya... Proofers! ;)

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That would mean all your previous viewpoints had to be taken into consideration again, but thats just too much self reflecting. You're good right now thinking to yourself that you're correct on everything. No need to change that.

Dear God, you say some of the most asinine statements, and come to the queerest of illogical conclusions.

If I am just one of those stupid, nut-job (hehehe) crazy fucktards, not being monitored by TPTB... why the fuck do you care so much?

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Admit I was wrong where? Please link to the statement I made, or quote my words where I was wrong.

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Way to disregard my question.

Show me 'proof' Mr. Proofer that I was wrong..

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Please link or quote my stupid claims.

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Lol!!! Did I piss you off or what!? ;)

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Yep. That's how your comments read.

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Again. Link to where I was wrong.

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I can link to stuff too!!! Internets are fun.

All dissent groups are watched.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/20/politics/20fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Why else would shills be in this sub?

Why else would anything this sub says get deleted anywhere else?

Why are articles cross posted from this sub deleted elsewhere?

Why are there down vote brigades on this sub?

This is the only sub I know of that is against the hive mind

It's gotten really bad in the last few months, and noticeably worse in the last year-ish. It's time to organize some sort of mass exodus, but I'm not sure that there's a suitable alternative yet.

If there were a major catalyzing event it'd probably help get the masses moving, but I think reddit is pretty much too captured for that to actually happen. The vote obfuscation was the last straw for a lot of people, though.

I wouldn't say paranoid at all. Check out my comment history. The majority of my comments that criticize the military-industrial complex will have 50-something upvotes and then a day later, they will be back to 1 or 0. This is usually AFTER a thread loses traction, which I find odd.

I have been seeing the same thing in relation to energy and military topics, almost like they are trying to edit the thread for people reading it in the future for research or something?

Could the upvote/downvote counts of comments be used to manipulate the apparent conversation and enforce an underlying agenda or theme based on reddit's structure? That would be interesting to look at from a statistician's perspective, but I don't know number magic. :(

In terms of reddit, yes the number of upvotes is indicative of the 'hive mind' in the way the user views the thread. So how the thread looks in posterity, ala when it's old enough that it cannot be participated in, the opinions and views of the hivemind at the time will be set.

I often wonder how history will be written in the information age.

Remember to think bigger too. Reddit isn't the only platform that gets gamed like this. Facebook experiments on their users, and censors feeds. I think this is pretty much common knowledge now. I guess the point is, there is going to be manipulation on all the major platforms.

Yeah it is strange to be alive in these times. It is almost like living at the advent of the printing press, but even more pronounced. You can go online and learn about the research of astrophysics guniuses, but you can also be tracked by the most advanced Security State network in the history of humanity. It seems to me that the current struggle of the Information Age is if knowledge will be used for advancement through enlightenment or enslavement through deception.

Marketers have noticed that reddit is a huge vehicle for advertising. Ever notice how your favorite celebrities answer your questions (/r/AMA) just before a film of theirs comes out?

/r/HailCorporate is a sub to point out any time marketers use reddit for their own gain.

It's almost as if celebrities try to increase awareness for the movies they're in or something.

r/AMA

useful for those that like it, and has some historic and social value.

when a person is younger and more idealistic, corporate PR is 100% evil.

but as age ages one, even PR can be useful, so a celeb and his/her PR manager goes on reddit and answers questions and engages in banter with redditors, a chance to say hello to the celeb, ask and receive questions, maybe even get some answers and insights into the celeb scene.

we get the (carefully vetted) words of the celeb, they get a chance to see real time feedback for their star.

a win win thing.

Surely every state has a propaganda department, and every propaganda department focuses at least in part on social media and framing the narrative. If the narrative is framed well enough, then there's surely people that will parrot the talking points of that frame for free because it's sympathetic to their cognitive bias.

What I'm working to say is that actual shills only have to be a small amount of posters. The rest will shill based on their own beliefs being reinforced.

If you've ever had any idea that you're thoughts and beliefs were being manipulated in anyway, and thought to yourself, they wouldn't do something like that, or they couldn't do that, They already have done it.

Consider the amount of time that mods and prolific users must spend on the site.

Ask yourself how they support themselves.

It is simple economics - the effort required to run the thing will necessitate financial support, and many of the people who can put forth that effort are funded to promote agendas.

If you are not paying for a product.... then the product is YOU.

It's pretty intense, reddit is a known target for the JIDF and others.

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/conspiratard] Conspiratards ponder the intensity of the shilling that happens in reddit.

^{If you follow any of the above links, respect the rules of reddit and don't vote or comment. Questions? Abuse? Message me here.}

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Could one please define shill for me?....Not a webster definition, I want r/conspiracy's definition.

In the strictest definition, a shill is someone who is paid to voice an opinion. However, we now have cheerleaders of certain policies / businesses who are so brainwashed, they do it for free.

That last sentence. You're basically saying a shill is someone whose opinion you don't like.

Depends on the situation.

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I would give you gold if I had some. Money is not the object though right? I have gained something of more value..Witty internet knowledge!

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Because its a stupid word to use, and almost unanimously false. I down vote every time I see it (unless it's substantiated, which is incredibly rare) because it's a buzzword people love to use to put down dissenters.

That's fair enough. Around here it's used regularly to dismiss dissenters, and I can't stand for that Level of BS.

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That's fair enough. Around here it's used regularly to dismiss dissenters, and I can't stand for that Level of BS.

Depends on the situation.