My thought is that this is what has happened numerous times in history which is why the take over is never complete. Eventually they start consolidating power, and thats when the alpha lions start vying for power when their goal is in reach.

EDIT: misspelled a word.

Plain and simple, a conspiracy is a secret plan.

You wonder "is it really secretive".

MSM gives the 'official story" of a subject according to what a government deems fit for the public to know, no more and no less. We here at r/conspiracy , doubt some of the 'official stories'. We believe somebody is hiding some truth. We obviously differ and disagree on the truth might be, but that doesn't matter (in terms of fulfilling the purpose and the meaning of the word conspiracy).

Most of the subjects of our conspiracy suspicions, DO "attempt to organize something unlawful". Or at least, that's what our belief is. It can stem from paranoia or pessimism as some will accuse anyone interested in the subject. It can however, come from substantiated well sourced material or experience like learning from modern history.

I've seen trolls recently mockingly say they were 'here to uncover the truth and expose the government'. By no means are we investigators, or claim to have any authority or breakthroughs. Not at all. We are spectators, trying to learn for our own interests.

I personally dislike subjects like the existence of aliens or ancient civilizations, etc. I feel that if these stories are about discovery or mystery, and doesn't suggest conspirers, it's not a conspiracy and personally would not welcome it here. The subject is interesting, but misplaced.

As for the last bit of your OP, you're disagreeing with one conspiracy. That's fine. It's an opinion, not that controversial. It doesn't prove nor deny anything. I'm don't believe in the existence of a small group of elites dictating how the world should work, as well. But I do believe it's way more possible than you make it sound.

I'm assuming he meant 'the world ruled by a relatively small group'. Similar to illuminati without the hundreds of years of secretive ruling of the world. That's what I understood of his post, but hopefully he'll clarify.

Didn't notice you were OP, sorry :)

I'm grateful for anything i can get. The people behind wiki leaks and the whistleblowers are doing some amazing work that can possibly change the future drastically. They should be worshipped. Hopefully more will appear.

Can you imagine knowing everything hidden?! It'd be overwhelming!

I disagree with your assertion that everything they do is legal. While it is true that they pass legislation to "legalise" their actions, these laws themselves are unlawful. They go against the constitution, and therefore are to be considered null and void and unenforceable. What is happening is not lawful. Not one bit. It is completely unconstitutional.

They do not have the constitutional authority to pass on the powers granted to them to another entity or branch. Yet they are doing this. But, I'll stop on this part.

As for the global plan, I think it would be disingenuous to claim they don't have that as part of their agenda. Think about it. If you were of the most wealthy people in the world, and you affluence could buy souls, and you had a symbiotic relationship shared with all the other super wealthy folks and top leaders, why wouldn't you try to keep that train rolling?

They aren't rich because they are empathetic/sympathetic. They are rich because they are controlled by their gluttony. Nothing is ever enough for them. Not until they acquire the entire world.

Of course, consider this my personal opinion, and I admit that I could be wrong, and I will dually note that you could be right. But, until we know for sure, I choose to disagree.

There is an agenda, i don't doubt that. But it's difficult to stick to an agenda compiled of agreements opportunists made. I think we're ignoring the 'human' factor.

Well thats a different argument then :-) I havent thought about it in this fashion as of yet. So thanks for the brain food!

And yes, i admit that while their laws are technically unconstithtional, that will never stop them from saying just the opposite. Effectively what they do is legal only because the corrupt system they have installed in place of our constitutional republic says it is legal. We can make the argument that our current system of government is no longer a constitutional republic, and thusly what they do is legal. I can accept that.

I just dont like how we as a country have turned our backs on the one thing that allowed us to be great in the first place. But i guess this part is a different discussion as well...

But anyways, thanks for clearing it up! I understand whst you were trying to say better now.

Such sociopaths can't stick to a plan because the closer they get to the completion, the more paranoid they become. Eventually they'll turn on each other.

How did you come to this conclusion? Care to give us some examples to illustrate this point?

I can't directly think of an example, but bear with me on this scenario which frankly can't be ruled out as too crazy to happen. Suppose Israel keeps pushing forward with their goal of Palestinian eradication and expansion of Israel's borders well into the Middle Eastern states, and with big brother U.S.'s aid, succeeds. How long before the state of Israel becomes paranoid that the U.S. Might decide to swoop in and take those newly claimed lands for itself? We've seen already the depravity of the minds of Israel, that kind of depravity doesn't just quell itself, in fact only compounding in it's severity. Hell, eventually the higher ups in the Israeli government could potentially turn amongst themselves as their paranoia begins to heighten. I digress. Once Israel hypothetically controls the Middle East, the shady eye would most likely then be cast at big brother America, which would lead to who the fuck knows what, worst case a Nuclear War. Maybe I'm off base a bit, I dunno. But I enjoy speculation and hypotheticals.

Maybe I'm off base a bit, I dunno. But I enjoy speculation and hypotheticals.

I don't think you're off base at all.

I think what you're saying is probably inevitable unless there really is one guiding hand at the top of all of this. If that's the case then when shit goes down some people who think they are very powerful will have a rude awakening!

Well, that would be poetic justice, which could be really great for mankind, or quite damning all the same. I'm hoping for a revolution and the ultimate failure of whatever driving force is turning this world into a cess pit of ruination. The return of free will, free thought, and basic human rights.

unless there really is one guiding hand at the top of all of this

The "illuminated" one

when shit goes down some people who think they are very powerful will have a rude awakening!

Absolutely, they have no idea.

This is how they think: "All you mother fuckers that are worthless to me? Dead."

If you disagree there is a plan to dominate Nations through private central banks and debt, then surely you agree that private central banks and debt are the best systems Nations could opt for (let's forget it all happened in wars, shady revolutions, or governmental treasons, and that the people behind these central banks are effectively always the same), seeing as there are only a handful of Nations left without private central banks and debts. And then you have to accept that it's a coincidence if the empire of private banks and central banks is attacking in turns each of these very Nations that have not yet opted for this brilliant system.

Well they are 98% through, pretty waterproof constructed masterplan if you ask me.

And my point is that it has now been a few centuries of flawless execution, so i don't understand how you reach this conclusion.

Those with everything want only one thing. More!

Is it a wonder any of them reach out to other powerful people organizations that can help with that end goal of more.

The longer i've been here the more i'm beginning to think there is no actual global conspiracy, they're just a bunch of incredibly wealthy, powerful opportunists who help each other out. But there is no global plan.

You ignore the possiblity that what is organizing the global conspiracy may not be human, or may not consist of living human individuals. It may be a group consciousness, for example. It may even be demonic, or alien.

Then perhaps they are simply using the elites and their psychosis to set up a chaotic stormfront while they meanwhile storm in amidst the chaos and instill their own master plan. I don't necessarily believe this, but at one point I actually believed Israel was our ally, and I was wrong. I've learned to consider any and all possibilities, given the sheer carnal chaos possessed by humankind.

I would have to agree with you 100%, the biggest reason being the chaotic carnal nature of man and his outright desire for more, and his inane sense of paranoia while sitting at the top. However, just because I believe in their incompetence doesn't mean I don't believe they're not trying regardless, which is completely vile and should be stopped.

I feel this sub is great for looking under the veil that the mainstream is trying to put onto everything. Using this sub as an information hub is probably the best bet. The best way to get down to change is telling the ones you want changed what's wrong. Getting down and dirty, staring adversity in it's face and saying "Enough of this bullshit." Reading posts and getting information, commenting and discussing is productive and useful, but proactivity is better sought at the source. Your voice will not be heard by those that need to hear it if you keep your voice here. Those that need to hear it do not want to hear it and will not seek it out here. Put it in their face. Voice your disdain. I don't look at this sub as a source of change. This sub is a source of awareness. I use it to keep my eyes open. Awareness is the first step to change.

That's true. I admit it does take work to weed out things. I also admit that technically this sub could also be used to find like minded individuals to organize movements to get their words out. In such a way then r/conspiracy becomes a better tool towards change than just a source of information. It becomes a hub of activity towards progress. It just has to be utilized in such a way.

I would have to agree with you 100%, the biggest reason being the chaotic carnal nature of man and his outright desire for more, and his inane sense of paranoia while sitting at the top. However, just because I believe in their incompetence doesn't mean I don't believe they're not trying regardless, which is completely vile and should be stopped.

Well they are 98% through, pretty waterproof constructed masterplan if you ask me.

Didn't notice you were OP, sorry :)

I'm grateful for anything i can get. The people behind wiki leaks and the whistleblowers are doing some amazing work that can possibly change the future drastically. They should be worshipped. Hopefully more will appear.

Can you imagine knowing everything hidden?! It'd be overwhelming!