...and yet we keep giving them attention.

Also

We're one of the best known news sources on Reddit

Huh? We're not a source of anything. The stuff we link to is the source. That's the whole point of a new aggregator.

That's reddits biggest problem... every reddit is quite honestly a circlekjerk in its own way... thats why people go on these subs to be around be people who have similar ways of thinking but i agree that sub is just eh

The problem I really see with conspiratards is that they make it a game to come here to this subreddit and post a bunch of garbage on alt accounts, then post links to their dumb shit for karma and lulz. It's hard to get honest discourse going when they have "agent provocateurs" blending in here and trolling.

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Is there a subreddit dedicated to sniffing out this crap and outing them? If there isn't, we should found one... /r/altsbehavingbadly or /r/twofacedcunts, something with a nice ring to it.

/r/skeptard was created for that very purpose. Its creator was promptly banned - it apparently wasn't afforded the same "protections" as conspiratard.

That's what I was looking for. Thanks for the info. It seems you are correct, a certain kind of speech is protected.

There isn't any info there. No evidence. Show me evidence a) that the skeptard creator was banned for no reason and b) conspiratard creators broke the rules but were afforded protection.

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Neither does /r/bestof. For some reason it's not a vote brigade when they do it.

Consider heavily why this is.

Everyone is mistaking reddit for an objective democracy. That's profitable for someone.

Who is this we?

You do realize any one person can make a sub right?

In this case, "we" would be "concerned redditors".

Yea the other day I saw "proof of controlled demolition"

clicked it

and it was a minecraft video. Great job making US look stupid tards lawl...

It wouldn't be so obvious if the thread wasn't instantly liked to their SR

At least it mostly seems to be fairly obvious trolling, especially when mentioning /r/subredditdrama, easily removed and banned. They just want their cheap laughs and leave when their little party is ruined. Probably wont have to deal with any long-con sort of thing.

The problem I really see with conspiratards is that they make it a game to come here to this subreddit and post a bunch of garbage on alt accounts, then post links to their dumb shit for karma and lulz.

As I read this post, I was confronted by a huge banner about the CDC covering up a link between autism and vaccines, one of the most throughly debunked public health myths of our time.

You obviously don't need our help posting crazy bullshit.

you are aware of the fairly amusing conspiratorial possibility that Alex Jones is a government plant, right?

Also, I really don't see this sub as "one of the best known news sources on Reddit". The scope around here is limited, the research is myopic, the evidence is vague and transparent, and the rhetoric is predictable. I enjoy it all, but it's the truth. The best of this subreddit is really just regurgitation from side-stream media, and I've never been convinced that that is actually "conspiratorial".

As a sub, the broad scope of conspiracies which occur tends to get overlooked. The evidence isn't always vague, sometimes we have members who hit straight to home. Previous topics like the NSA, libor, elite pediphilia, Libya and Syria, CIA gun and drug smuggling, Covert training, have all been reported on and discussed heavily.

What is conspiratorial is the fact that many of these topics have been suppressed from places like news, technology, economics, politics, and have had sources banned from being posted.

Not everything is a gem around here. But when another sub cracks down on a relevant topic, we see an influx of subscribers who want to get to the bottom of it, but have a hard time discussing it elsewhere.

This place has it's faults, certainly. Wouldn't consider the scope to be limited though. I'd say our main issue comes from too broad of a scope. Alas, it must be this way. Flawed, yet required.

As far as the user base goes, we have idiots, trolls, agenda's at play, but open discussion nonetheless. The topics on the recent pedophile scandal where top notch with it's sourced material.

I've been here every day for about four years now. It's been real interesting watching the earlier predictions unfold. This is the type of place to lurk.

Info wars is black propaganda. its perfectly sane to theorize possibilities other than what corporate media creates as the status quo. Sometimes conspiracy theories are just entertaining. Sometimes they are dead ringers. I remember reading conspiracies about the NSA and economic collapse in 2007. Look where we are now. The narrative is about control, stories are powerful. I dont give a shit if someone calls me crazy for entertaining alternative reasons for the violent bull shit attrocities occuring daily. Im not gonna march to some forced narrative.

Meh. People will always attack ideas that stray from mainstream ideology, and I think we should admit there are fringe ideas and theories that are both valid and non-valid.

From what I see from that sub, the most outlandish conspiracy theories rise to the top of their sub, while they completely ignore the majority of information we discuss here, i.e. the security state, militarized police, war & fear mongering. There's a desire to discredit all of it, and paint us as uneducated, paranoid right-wingers - but I think an objective eye sees through that. They have less than 1/5 of the subscribers. Just ignore it.

the reason the absurd stuff rises to the top is cause that's the funny stuff. It's not some hate machine subreddit, it's to laugh at silly shit some people take way too seriously. War & fear mongering are very real realities, lizardmen wearing human suits is ridiculous and very worthy to be laughed at

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Yeah, but to be fair the truly paranoid, believe whatever fits their worldview, the gov't is responsible for everything bad type of conspiracy theorists they focus on are also pretty pathetic. I get it.

What really pisses me off is the absolute dismissiveness when it comes to the JFK assassination and to an extent 9/11. Those are the two main points of contention, and the two world shaping conspiracies of the century, and to pretend like there's no good evidence against the official story and anyone who believes that is a dumb ideologue is willful ignorance. And they won't admit it but those are the two they're protecting themselves from, because if we're right that means there is something deeply wrong deep inside the depths of our State that has shaped history.

I kind of agree with this in the sense that some of Snowden's recent releases suggest that UFOs are a government creation to cover up their military research and throw a curve ball to the Soviets. That sort of thing is legitimate, but too often it's stuff claiming evidence for the aliens... if there's good evidence for something, or it's a reasonable claim, you won't find it on r/conspiratard

Three more years for some heavily redacted documents to surface.

I hate r/conspiracy because of things like anti-vax bullshit that fucking kills people.

They have a community based around straw grabbing and getting karma for it. Someone posts something criticizing Israel? They'll probably call it "anti Semitic" even though they probably don't even know what that really means.

No, we reserve calling shit anti-semitic when it's blatant jew-conspiracy bullshit. I mean, if it's not over the top it's not funny.

They're just circlejerking, while we're about facts and digging up the stories the mainstream is hesitant to touch. We're one of the best known news sources on Reddit and with a far bigger audience than /r/conspiratard anyway.

So ... this is a contest? Can you admit that you are just grasping at straws and trying to shield your ego?

See? This kind of verifies my point, you're from /r/conspiratard but it seems you actively come here, why?

you're so deep into your own echo chamber that this is honestly the only way you can rationalize them. that's pretty sad.

who?

u/conspiratard used to be a creature known as u/Nuclear_Is_Good. he first showed up to do some promotion of nuclear power as a response to AGW. He quickly found r/climateskeptics and soon went ballistic when no one would cave-in to his demands for all of us to change our positions in light of his "irrefutable" ranting.

N_I_G, in his delusional grandeur, adopted several other subs as his private little world. He, and he alone, had the right to slander, condemn and belittle anyone daring to take a position not his. One of his favourite terms was "conspiratard" which applied to everyone. He took to heart the Lewandowski paper and so felt justified to lump every person with a contrary attiude together. If AGW skeptics could be "truthers" then "Truthers" must be "deniers" etc.

Not too long ago it was revealed that our planet has not warmed for 15+ years. It was at that time that the head-mods on several subs decided to adopt language rules because the users had gone completely nuts in their dispair. N_I_G, thinking himself above such rules, just went on as normal with his slander, condemnations, and belittling. He managed to get himself banned from his percieved private clubs of r/environment and r/skeptic.

Within 20 inutes he was back as u/geneconspiratard on r/skeptic and r/climateskeptics. A quick note to the mods and that account was banned as well. 2 hours later u/otherconspiratard was born. make no mistake about it - that guy is dangerously crazy. If ever reddit is unavailabe I shudder to think what will happen to his neighbours.

Hmm, it seems this goes deeper than we know.

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Why should the government do all the work if useful idiots abound? Have one person post a bunch of stuff from a series of different accounts, and eventually the hive mind agrees and joins in the rabble-rabble. I've long thought this is what happened to news article comment sections and how they descended into nothing but "Bush vs. Obama" and sickening and stupid racist and statist crap you see. Or seeing self-avowed "Liberal hippies" push for war, death and, of all things, pro-giant corporations and anti-organic farming.

Spend a little effort to build the snowball's core, then let the useful idiots push it big enough to build a snowman.

They're just circlejerking, while we're about facts Lol. Most of the sources I find cited here are truly laughable. The confirmation bias here is astounding.

In this case, "we" would be "concerned redditors".