Why hasn't ISIS been speaking out against Israel, posing itself as a threat to them or lamenting the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza?
83 2014-09-03 by sudo-tleilaxu
One of the odd things I have noticed about this ISIS propaganda rollout is the distinct lack of anti Israel rhetoric. For being such an zealous proponent of Islam, I have not heard ISIS speak out against the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and/or the current Gaza campaign.
I can't help but scratch my head a little bit about this. .
EDIT - replaced genocide with the more correct ethnic cleansing.
70 comments
23 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-09-03
The reason is obvious if one uses their brain. ISIS is as much a western-created "terrorist organization" as Al-Qaeda.
4 Thementalrapist 2014-09-03
ISIS only cares about power and control under the guise of A caliphate, they don't give a shit about Israel or protecting other Muslims. They're no different than a heavily armed street gang.
19 GodEye1868 2014-09-03
Yeah, but why would you give a shit about a country half way across the world and not the one in the middle of the middle east?
-3 Thementalrapist 2014-09-03
Because we're not currently there and they will talk shit. The U.S. Is going to use this as an in to get into Syria.
9 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-09-03
That's the narrative pushed by the media, yeah.
7 TheOroWay 2014-09-03
ISIS has been destroying ancient Islamic temples all over the place, they are a symbol of idol worship, says the Caliphate. They have even threatened the KAABA, and yet you are trying to say that the Wailing Wall and the Dome of the Rock could never possibly be valid targets? ISIS has threatened to destroy the world's oldest Buddhist temple way down in INDONESIA and yet Israel does not get a single threat. That's pretty damn suspicious if you ask me!!
1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
Especially Dome of The Rock
15 TheGlassface 2014-09-03
Welp.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Islamic-State-vows-to-reach-Palestine-and-kill-the-barbaric-Jews-372796
6 greggerypeccary 2014-09-03
Mossad had to throw in some anti-Israel rhetoric to make the whole thing believable.
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13 greggerypeccary 2014-09-03
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1 brildenlanch 2014-09-03
Are you real?
1 greggerypeccary 2014-09-03
I'm a reverse solipsist, I believe everyone else is real but not myself.
1 brildenlanch 2014-09-03
TIL about reverse osmosis soliloquy
2 facereplacer3 2014-09-03
Yep. My thoughts exactly.
1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
I can't help but note that the Jerusalem Post article never bothers to link to the ISIS source document that is the subject of the story. The links about items, not directly related to the main point of the story, that it does provide are links to their own articles.
0 IsGZAu 2014-09-03
Amazing what some google can do:
https://ia601401.us.archive.org/11/items/Dabiq03_en/dbq03_en.pdf
1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
I replied to this same post...asked and answered, if you will...This link you provide, from the depths of Google, is very very thin. Characterizing this document as "speaking out" against Israel is a stretch at best.
Here is my reply in case you don't want to hunt in a collapsed, downvoted post:
14 ronintetsuro 2014-09-03
ISIS is the US State Department.
And that's only a revelation outside of the American Media sphere of influence.
12 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
It seems like a 'tell' that a group is a US creation is that they don't engage Israel on any level. Al Queda didn't have much to say about Israel either iirc. Only real Islamic Jihadist groups talk shit about Israel directly.
1 [deleted] 2014-09-03
Actually al-Qaeda, especially al-Zawahiri used to criticize Israel a lot and in fact pointed to it as justification for their attacks against America.
14 destraht 2014-09-03
Apparently now ISIS has a big problem with Russia, but not Israel.
11 HS_00 2014-09-03
They know not to bite the hand that feeds.
11 facereplacer3 2014-09-03
ISIS is helping build greater Israel on behalf of our AIPAC bought and paid for "leaders" in the US congress.
2 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
It is interesting how ISIS completely changed the subject and focus away from the Israeli Gaza campaign. It seems to have completely disappeared from the MSM.
9 helixsaveus 2014-09-03
ISIS will false flag attack the US.
The US will use this to invade syria.
Once syria is destablized completely the narrative will change and they will find a reason to invade iran using ISIS or a new "boogey man."
ISIS is merely a tool used by the NWO to complete their agenda.
2 AlwaysTurning 2014-09-03
Just want to make sure you know that a false flag is self inflicted...i guess if you think IS is the cia then it makes sense...just checking.
1 helixsaveus 2014-09-03
I beleive the handlers are CIA/mossad
0 AlwaysTurning 2014-09-03
Ok, like i said just making sure. I hate saying i believe, i wish i could say that i know because its fairly obvious. Even if it wasnt intentional, we literally gave them money and weapons in syria and then hate them when they cross the border.
8 The_eye_in_the_sky 2014-09-03
ISrael
7 Nutricidal 2014-09-03
Just listen to McCain and you'll get your answers. As usual, they want the US to do their dirty work.
4 funkarama 2014-09-03
Cause they are Iraqi Sunnis trying to take control of Iraqi territory?
3 Treekiller 2014-09-03
so I think they are just local thugs who want local control, albeit across Iraq and Syria, maybe Lebanon. They don't give a fuck about the West or the plight of Muslims. ISIS is more analogous to the cartels in Mexico than anything else.
1 SuzysSnoballs 2014-09-03
To a true hardcore Muslim extremist, Israel doesn't exist. So for them to address Israel as an entity would be admitting what they're not supposed to believe in.
1 inkandpaperguy 2014-09-03
ISIS may be a Mossad/ CIA, deep Psy-Ops group.
Thinking outside the lines the MSM have drawn for all of us will get you labelled a "trouble maker".
1 MoreTeaPleaseVicar 2014-09-03
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisis-isis-pledge-join-palestinian-fight-against-barbaric-jews-1459190
1 Vils 2014-09-03
Because this narrative isn't ready to be used on the mainstream yet.
1 ninah_hdi 2014-09-03
When I asked, a muslim friend of mine said that ISIS are Shiites and Palestinians are Sunnis, so basically they don't care about Gaza. That would be the "official" reason...
But yeah... I think the real reason is pretty obvious...
1 sravll 2014-09-03
ISIS is Sunni, and so are most Palestinians.
1 [deleted] 2014-09-03
That means that they'll kill the Palestinians and then the Isrealites.
1 [deleted] 2014-09-03
The obvious reason is because ISIS actually has guns and therefore has real power and therefore don't need to waste their time braying like sheep on the Internet like us powerless folks do.
-2 atizzy 2014-09-03
They don't care about Palestinians. They are against any state that is not the caliphate. They probably hate Shia Muslims more than Jews.
But ya they have no intention of liberating Palestine or the plight of it's people. If they even get to that point they will absorb it.
Israel is probably the only military in the region that can beat ISIS head to head, so there's no point in wasting their resources on Israel at this time.
9 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
Then why engage the US or England? Both military forces should also be able to crush ISIS too. Israel is right there, like the elephant in the room.
When will they behead an Israeli? That would be some propaganda and a half that's for sure.
5 DontTreadOnMe16 2014-09-03
"Sotloff was also an Israeli citizen, a spokesman for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Wednesday."
I just read this in this CNN article from today... I immediately thought the same thing as you http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/world/meast/isis-beheading-videos/index.html
2 atizzy 2014-09-03
I'm not trying to defend ISIS, I would like to see them wiped off of the earth. I'm just saying Israel isn't directly interfering with the establishment of the Islamic State, currently.
There's no reason for them to make their priority Israel when they're in Iraq, Syria and trying to get into Lebanon at this point. They want it all (they need Jordan too). If nobody stops them, at this rate, they will clash with Israel.
Meanwhile, what's gonna happen in all those European countries that ISIS fighters have citizenship in?
-2 sparky204 2014-09-03
Isis has learned from history watching other arab countrys attack israel fighting for Palestine and constantly getting their ass kicked.
-2 archonemis 2014-09-03
ISIS has nothing to do with actual Syrians or Iraqis.
ISIS is a fictional group made up by either the CIA, MI6 or some related branch of Western interests.
To discuss ISIS as though its an authentic group is fool-hardy.
-4 iamnotfromtexas90 2014-09-03
um, they HAVE... Also, there is no Palestinian 'genocide' their population has DOUBLED in just the past ten years.
3 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
The population of Gaza has DOUBLED because Israel has been bulldozing over the Palestinians' houses and lands so they can make Israeli settlements thus forcing the Palestinians to live in Gaza.
This is why the settlement building is such a big issue and has been so condemned by the rest of the world.
Nice try though.
0 iamnotfromtexas90 2014-09-03
"On the one hand, the Israeli military is supposed to be ruthlessly competent and determined to wipe out the Palestinians. On the other, the Palestinian population has grown more than 100 percent since 1970. The population in the Gaza Strip has grown nearly threefold since 1990. The Palestinians themselves expect the population to double over the next two decades. " source
2 AlwaysTurning 2014-09-03
Did you read his reply? Seems like you just totally ignored it.
1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
I stand corrected, I should have used 'ethnic cleansing' instead of genocide. I will keep this in mind in the future. Thanks.
3 iamnotfromtexas90 2014-09-03
Ya, 'ethic cleanse.' That's why there is an Arab Muslim Palestinian--Salim Joubran--on the fucking supreme court. He even convicted a prime minister and put him in jail!
1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
That does not change the definition of 'ethnic cleansing'.
You need to Google up the term non sequitur
2 iamnotfromtexas90 2014-09-03
My point is if you are trying to rid a people from a land, you DEFINITELY don't make them supreme court justices, allow them to be police officers, serve in the army, sue you, etch.
-15 mrdarkkniight 2014-09-03
Because they have been fighting Israel. Who do you think is shooting all those rockets from the Gaza strip is? Israel is tired of their shit and they know that a single wolf doesn't mess with a Bear they come back build their pack and take it down.
8 Zebraton 2014-09-03
Hamas and ISIS are NOT the same. Stop trying to conflate them.
5 doitforthewoods 2014-09-03
Uhhhh... Hamas and ISIS are not the same people there bud.
4 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
But none of their propaganda has been directed at Israel, all of it is being aimed at goading the US (and soon England) into military action. For being such an Islamic movement, the lack of even a whisper about their fellow Arabs in Gaza being shelled by the 'Zionists' is baffling.
I have not seen anything about ISIS providing the rockets to Hamas to help their brother's plight in Gaza. Not a word of support even. It's like they are choosing not to talk about them at all.
1 IsGZAu 2014-09-03
I just replied to another of your comments with their propaganda regarding Israel. Will you make a correction?
https://ia601401.us.archive.org/11/items/Dabiq03_en/dbq03_en.pdf
2 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
I looked through your linked document. FWIW here are my observations:
Page 8 - has the word 'Jews' once when listed with everyone else who they consider "bad" (Philosophers, fire worshipers, Idolaters, cross worshipers, etc.)..It was more that they appeared to go out of their way to include Jews. as if they wanted to make sure did not leave out the 'Jews' from their list of evil doers, than it was to explicitly go out off their way to make sure they addressed Israel and Zionist Jews specifically....like they were an afterthought, if you will.
The word "Israel" appears only 2 times in the entire magazine/pamphlet, both times, contextually, it is addressing the United States and it pro-Israel policy. It is not addressing Israel and it's policies specifically.
Other than that it is a very slickly produced piece of marketing/propaganda, as if it were produced by a PR/Marketing agency rather than from ISIS resources. As I said about the "beheading" videos, it is too slick for it's own good. It as if it is not an honest, genuine raw product of a real Islamic/Jihadist movement. ISIS just feels more like a produced 'villain' character in a movie production than a grass roots honest Islamic movement.
-5 mrdarkkniight 2014-09-03
Where do you think ISIS members have come out of? The more extremists out of those organizations such as Al Quadia and Hamas. Tbh it's not that hard to get rockets when the US supplies ISIS with shit to overthrow gaddafi in Libya help in Bengahzi where most of their guns and such are from.
6 drbarber 2014-09-03
So then if there's large numbers of ISIS from Hamas, it would make even more sense for their fight to be directed at Israel, right?
-2 mrdarkkniight 2014-09-03
Hamas wants Israel and it's citizens removed from the earth. What better way to do that then join forces with ISIS recruit a little more and save them for when they have the #s to go up against the world's 5th largest military power.
1 drbarber 2014-09-03
Haha. Yeah. Sounds brilliant.
-1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
The mercenaries formerly known as Blackwater and other mercenary groups funded by the US and England?
9 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
Then why engage the US or England? Both military forces should also be able to crush ISIS too. Israel is right there, like the elephant in the room.
When will they behead an Israeli? That would be some propaganda and a half that's for sure.
6 drbarber 2014-09-03
So then if there's large numbers of ISIS from Hamas, it would make even more sense for their fight to be directed at Israel, right?
-1 sudo-tleilaxu 2014-09-03
The mercenaries formerly known as Blackwater and other mercenary groups funded by the US and England?