I agree that the evidence that we've been around far longer than what was taught to us is beginning to add up.

Have you considered the destronstructionist concept that every few thousand years we undergo a world-wide catastrophe that knocks the survivors back to the stone age?

I think there is a some decent evidence that that is the case. You also have to remember that humans like to gather in coastal areas because of access to the water. It just stands to reason that since the water levels change around the world there are many sites of ancient civilizations that are under water so we will most likely never find any of their artifacts.

Then there's the fact that almost every single culture's lore involves global catastrophes. It's gotta come from somewhere.

I think the amount of resources and tech it takes to investigate underwater ruins like that is the biggest thing holding us back. Even if you had the tech, who's going to pay for it? It's not like the discovery is going to pay for the cost of the actual research so you have to find someone with the money to afford it and the passion to pay for it.

The Mediterranean is a great example of this. So many caves that will never be explored.

Yeah, you make sense.

Look into the Hopi Indian belief of the Blue/Red Kachina. They believe, along with other cultures, that another solar system passes through our system every 3,600 years or so, and the first sign is a Blue Kachina (a blue dot) in the sky, followed by a Red Kachina.

The weird thing about this, is it actually makes sense. If the orb we see is pulling away from it's sun, from our perspective, it will appear blue, but then pulling towards, it will be red.

A whole bunch of ancient cultures speak about this other solar system, some calling it a dragon, The Destroyer, Nemisis, and recently Planet-X, but almost all say the same thing; there's a planet in that solar system that supports life.

The weird thing about this, is it actually makes sense. If the orb we see is pulling away from it's sun, from our perspective, it will appear blue, but then pulling towards, it will be red.

Doppler effect at the speed that stars orbit the galactic center is very tiny and can't be noticed by the unaided eye. Maybe those ancient myths are talking figuratively, though.

A whole bunch of ancient cultures speak about this other solar system, some calling it a dragon, The Destroyer, Nemisis, and recently Planet-X, but almost all say the same thing; there's a planet in that solar system that supports life.

For some "star" to be so close to us and be unoticed it would have to actually be an infrarred brown dwarf (or a "superjupiter" whatever). A planet (moon) around it would not be Earth-like, although it could conceivably support life in subglacial oceans and the like.

Maybe i misunderstood you, but, just as the doppler effect, when it comes towards us it would make sense thst we see it in blue, and as it leaves away from us, we would see it in red.

Meh, maybe I got it mixed up.

As for not seeing it, the sun towing the system is a brown dwarf, previously called a black dwarf. It's almost impossible to see against the night sky without infrared. Also, it's coming right at us, so it's being blocked by our sun. Fortunately it also travels in a corkscrew pattern, like our sun, so it is visible from time to time.

Some believe this merging will occur within the next few years, but I disagree. If we consider ancient knowledge, then this next true Passover will bring us into a new Age of Awareness; both introducing the Age of Aquarius and the Bronze Age of Awareness.

What scares me is Aquarius is the "water bringer", which hints at another flood.

If the numbers I have are correct, this shouldn't happen till about 2150, but I could be wrong.

What has a lot of people thinking is this next Passover is heralded by four blood moons, something that hasn't occurred in a very long time, and Israel is planning on a celebration upon the final moon which falls on Passover. This all will happen in 2016.

According to prophesy, America will be devastated. This belief comes from the idea that 1/3 of all will perish, and America makes up 1/3 of the land mass, also many believe America is the new Babylon. Something I can't disagree with.

What gets me most about this, is it actually adds up if you consider all the underground bases being built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN-XFB8d_zs

And all the FEMA camps with the millions of grave liners all across America. Police, sheriff's, and state police departments receiving military equipment like mine resistant vehicles, automatic weapons, and apache helicopters is a bit unnerving as well. I looked up what all of the counties in my area received and which got them. Every county around mine and the one just north of me is ready for a war and mine is ready for casualties. It makes me want to move.

I saw it on an /r/conspiracy post a few weeks ago but I forgot to bookmark it. I imagine some imaginative googling will yield some results.

Thank you. I forgot to bookmark it the first time.

Lol I wish I could remember. I'll also try to find it again and message you if I do.

Someone was fucking awesome and sent it to me http://bridge.caspio.net/dp.asp?AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4

If you're interested in the Hopi, you should instead read about their ancestors, the Anasazi. As you say, every ancient religion in the world has the same stories and extremely similar prophecies. There's no way they all came up with this at random. Here is a page that will give you some info on pre Columbian artifacts of South America that don't fit any timeline established and have writing similar to Sanskrit but seemingly older. Do a search for ooparts and read about things like gold necklaces and clay pots inside formed coal. Either humanity doesn't understand how coal forms or our timeline is seriously longer that publicly acknowledged. I'm pretty certain it's the later of the two. Last but not least, for now, what about the dark Knight satellite?

I recall watching that show called "after people# or whstever it was called. In roughly ten thousand yrs, there would be almost zero trace thst modern civilzation ever existed, according to thst show. The only remains would be whst was built in stones, particularily the megalithic structures and free standing stone circles.

I remember that. On top of that I've also heard Graham Hancock talk about how the huge layers of ice that were on some continents would have crushed any sign of civilization under their massive weight as they shifted around on the surface of the land.

Shit, for all we know, that civikization could still be well and alive. (Might be a little fringy, but maybe theyd look like the "greys" after so long without sunlight...)

Hey it's an interesting thought. Considering thet there are still some ilsands and areas of jungle where there are groups of people living like they did several hundreds of years ago, with no outside influence and almost no technology, it isn't a completely absurd notion.

If you had told me there were still places you could go on Earth to find people whlike this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

I would have thought it sounded crazy. But then I stumbled upon a bunch of videos on youtube and had my mind blown.

It makes you wonder how our technology advanced so quickly when there are more than enough examples of what happens when indigenous people remain uninfluenced. Their technology doesn't advance because they're too busy trying to eat. Where did some of the information we have come from? Who ate the first apple and found out it wasn't poisonous? I think that there are many unanswered questions similar to this that are taken for granted. If we answered them, or narrowed down possibilities, it could provide insight into how we should progress in the future.

Real life truman show, uncontacted, but documented on wikipedia.

Hah! good one, never thought of it like that.

There are actually underground cities around the world that are even constructed with ventilation shafts to bring air hundreds of feet underground. Pretty wild stuff.

This is what I try and stress to people who think we would find a ton of stuff from these lost cultures. Do you have any idea what a 2 mile high sheet of glacier ice does to whatever is under it (which happened to be quite a large percentage of the planet)?

It erases it from history. POOF! Fucking dust.

Another interesting point is all the lost civilizations that were flooded by said ice age thawing; some of said civilizations include Atlantis and lyonesse of the cornish coast as well as others around the British Isles. I also think that in 10,000 years any technology left in said cities by now would be unrecognisable as technology due to the effects of the tides/waves and the environment which is the sea, I've seen granite bedrock broken up and off cliffs and rounded off all nice and smoothly in one winter the tech just wouldn't be there or at least recognisably

Another interesting point, why exactly haven't we mapped all of the sea floor? We have the capabilities to do so from space so why not? Or is it just being blocked to stop us from knowing the truth?

Exactly why? Most likely scenario is that TPTB know everything except space travel and the greater interest in space to them is finding a working spacecraft. If they don't already have one otherwise why would the be sending the rosetta apcecraft to an asteroid with supposed structures on? I mention rosetta due to its name and the name of the probe onboard philea an interesting choice if you Google it, interestingly it has links to both Isis and Osiris we all know that gig now has something to do with the "antichrist"

The human amnesia theory. Absolutely. But this time I think will be the first time where we'll survive intact. if something like that kind of catastrophe happened today, shorelines would get wrecked, but the rest of the world will be fine, and will rebuild. We aren't as fragile today since we have technology and we are a hell of a lot more spread out. We've reached the point where we will never go back to swords and shields, we will always remember electricity, and cars and planes as a mode of transport. And we'll still have computers. These technologies have now sunk in far to deep to the human consciousness for them to be forgotten. We aren't going back. Things are going to get wibbly-wobbly for a while but not timey-wimey ;).

There is absolutely no way you can know that and absolutely nothing to base that assumption on. You are also assuming that if there were other iterations of human beings on this planet they had similar technology to ours. What if the previous iteration mastered electromagnetics? It is entirely inconceivable to us, and incredibly arrogant on our part to either project our own reality on these alleged ancestors or assume their technologies and intentions.

This was my first thought. Science has placed the Caribbean sea at 5 million years old and the isthmus of Panama at 3 million years if I remember correctly. The point is, there are ruins at the bottom of the sea and science is also stating that, less than 10 million years ago it was land. That tells me that those ruins are much much older than anyone is willing to admit publicly for fear of being ridiculed. There are things made in ancient times that cannot be replicated. Take Damascus steel as one example and the Mayan crystal skulls as another. One would think this technology is completely lost but, in modern times, some people have done amazing things. Take a look at coral castle and Edward Leedskalnin. He built a megalithic building, alone, move it, alone, and when the door broke, nobody could fix it.

all good points. They may have discovered an entirely new path with science and followed that. One we never even considered. But make no mistake we are the first to take this path to space travel, rovers on mars, computers, electronics etc. They may have taken a different path that allowed them to do amazing things, but they don't compare to what we have achieved today. They were different, yes, but it terms of survival, they were not better at it.

I wouldn't even make that claim. My logic is this... Just because we haven't found it, doesn't mean it hasn't existed. I'm not one to make assumptions especially considering the ancient tales of people from the sky. Is it likely within the past ten thousand years? Probably not. We may have even been created or nurtured to promote our existence.

There are so many stories and belief structures in the power of universal energy that I try to consider all possibilities no matter how strange. I'll bet growing up thinking the earth was flat and then being proven wrong was life changing.

This guy's gone Crazy Eddie!!

Anyone who's into this kind of stuff should check out Graham Hancock's stuff on youtube. Basically, he proposes the idea that our civilization goes back at least to the ice age. Lot's of human cultures/settlements along the ancient coastlines.

When the ice age ended, the rising ocean levels put these settlements underwater. Personally, I think this concept will become mainstream at some point in the future. There is a site called Gobekli Tepe (megalithic stone monuments) in Turkey that dates back to 11,000 BC. No reason to think that there couldn't have been equally advanced coastal sites at the same time.

Yeah Graham Hancock is great. I think it's important to remember that if Gobekli Tepe is that old then civilization had to have existed in a somewhat stable form for quite a while before in order to get to the point where they can plan and execute such an amazing project.

Powerful graham hancock. Anybody who hasn't heard of him should check out his interviews on the Joe rogan podcast.

Another archaeologist worth subbing on YouTube is Brien Foerster. I've recently subscribed and have been finding his videos amazing.

Oh yeah definitely, he travels all over the world filming whatever he finds. I think he's one of the top researchers about the elongated skulls found around the world. He's done loads of books as well. If you like this stuff definitely subscribe. I'm pretty new to this kind of stuff but find it fascinating, I'll check out Graham Hancock as well.

And it might be logical to assume that coastal areas are where we might find the most compelling evidence. Think about the structure of our current civilizations. Most of the world's largest population centers are located within about 50 miles (80km) of the coastline.

Port cities were presumably hotbeds of activity - as they are today. If there were more cost-effective and environmentally-friendly ways to dig for evidence, we might be able to comfortably assume that these areas are where we'll find the most compelling evidence.

Yeah, this is one of those theories that does not deserve "alternative" status. There's aperfectly good reason why we haven't found much and that's because you need scuba gear just to do a search.

Also, oil companies and undersea cable workers have brought up all kinds of ice age artifacts from the bottom of English Channel. Obviously there were people living there when it used to be dry land.

Hancock has found some pretty good evidence of Manhattan-sized cities offshore from the coast of India. These presumably date back to at least 6500BC, the last time these areas were above water.

Lol this is being taught in my art history 101 class. I'm pretty sure it's mainstream...

That's really good to hear. The BBC put together a show slamming Hancock. Apparently it was at the request of some professors who were getting frustrated that so many of their students were challenging the material they taught.

graham hancock

Gonna watch some of his stuff now, thanks.

Some of his books are also very compelling if you have the time and inclination.

Would you mind suggesting one or two? : )

Definitely - the first one I read and probably his most well known on this subject is called "Fingerprints of the Gods". I'd personally recommend checking out that one first. If I'm not mistaken, he's planning to release a sequel to it either this year or next year as well.

One very interesting site you didn't mention is the "suppressed" Mexican archaelogical site at Hueyatlaco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hueyatlaco

The archaelogists couldn't date it, so they used a number of scientific dating methods which determined that these were human artefacts from 250,000 years BPE, vastly older than any other site in the Americas. It cause a shitstorm and a talented archaeologist had her career ruined because of it.

The Mexican government and the archaelogical community buried it, literally. The site was filled in and a housing development built on top of it.

The fact the Mexican government buried the site and has refused to give anyone a license to dig a Hueyatlaco in recent years just makes it more intriguing.

There's another interesting site at Rockwall, a town in Texas which got its name from the fact that there is a large, ancient "rock wall" there that nobody can definitively explain. Some think it may have been a very ancient and very large structure unlike anything else seen in the Americas. The controversy is similar to the Yonaguni monument, with the dissenters saying it is a natural geological formation, not man-made.

Either way, Rockwall has been "buried" even more deeply than Hueyatlaco - they built an airport over the site. Also, you will need to dig deeper than Wikipedia on this one. Try:

https://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/45

That website and bibliotecapleyades.net are generally where I get information to start with so I have a direction. I'm also curious about Schmann resonance and the Schumann tomb in Wheaton, IL. Not sure if Mark Schumann is a family of Harold Schuman or not but the tomb is worth a few looks.

I love this topic as well, but cannot figute out who stands to gain from hiding ancient civilizations. History is written by the victors, but why hide these ancients altogether?

The architecture implies some pretty advanced technology, for example the ability to move 100 ton rocks around, power tools without fossil fuels, etc. And if you dig, it looks like they figured out how to extract energy directly from the Earth's magnetic field.

If unveiled, they lose a big chunk of their technological advantage as well as the whole oil industry. It would be a massive power shift.

The guy who built the "coral castle" all by himself and moved it all in one night to a location down the street had some interesting magnetic flywheels in his machinery and wrote a book called "magnetic current"

Some of the videos which try to figure it out are fascinating but to my knowledge no one has figured out his secret.

But both the coral and the stones of the great pyramid are limestone which is peizoelectric which means it will expand and contract when electricity is applied to it very rapidly. (it s the crystal vibrating in your watch that keeps time too.)

Generally it's piezoelectric quartz in watches, I believe but the concept is the same. The great pyramid has no soot inside from torches. How the hell did they see, scientists? Ancient civilizations had a lot more knowledge than modern society gives them credit for.

Expand/contract.. so they could act as speakers.

What if the pyramids are not "just" power sources, but gigantic speakers, powered by the Earth's magnetic field. Different sized pyramids make different tones. A group could make a chord.

To what end? Hard to say, but the Solfeggio frequencies have been buried by the Rockefellers, so maybe there's something there. Maybe they helped ancient Egyptians activate their pineal glands and blast off into DMT Land, en masse.

Or maybe they used them for acoustic levitation -- first you build a small one conventionally, power it up to levitate bigger rocks and build a bigger one, build a bigger one and eventually levitate a spaceship into orbit.

Yeah, that guy is fascinating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

Look up Edward Leedskalnin. He's a Latvian man that figured it out and was going to publish his notes but he died. He built Coral Castle in Florida.

Yeah I've heard of him. All this sketchy concealment tells us this stuff is really important technology. I bet Russia has it, and could release it, but it'd crash their oil-dependent economy, leaving them easy prey for NWO.

That also implies that if we can somehow clean up the cabal and switch to a gold-backed currency or crypto, some really amazing tech will be coming out.

Also, with all the around making these crazy inventions like the private space race, engine that runs on water, the original segway design that fused oxygen and hydrogen making its exhaust water, there's a lot of suppression going on.

Dude you gotta make some posts!

I'm generally a lurker since I work 60+hours a week and do my commenting from my phone but I'll try to put something together from time to time.

Did you see the AMA a while back on this sub with Linda Brown, the daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown? Some pretty crazy stuff.

Damnit I missed that.

Here's the link if you're interested: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1y04a0/i_am_linda_brown_the_daughter_of_the_physicist/?limit=500

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Thanks. I saved it and b bookmarked to read later.

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Gotta disagree -- Graham Hancock has done groundbreaking work on this and it's been utterly ignored by the established orthodoxy, no interest from press, etc. Here's a great interview with him and David Wilcock

And if you dig, it looks like they figured out how to extract energy directly from the Earth's magnetic field.

Iirc, there was a video inside one of the pyramids and the guy was explaining that the quartz/limestone(?) was somehow involved and created some derivation of the piezo-electric effect. This, of course, ties into the whole orgone/orgonite stuffs.

Is that what you're talking about or something completely different?

Generally yes, though I hadn't heard of this specific piezo effect and its relationship to the geology. Also, pyramids are placed at specific points around the world, defined by "sacred geometry", presumably related to significant points in the magnetic field.

Something funny going on with the Ark of the Covenant, too. It's a gold box within a wooden box within a gold box. And it'll zap you if you touch it. Sounds like a capacitor to me. But then maybe some radioactivity involved?

So much to learn...

Did you see the AMA a while back on this sub with Linda Brown, the daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown? It was interesting to say the least.

I believe that being too religious is arrogant. I think that keeping an open mind is the way to go. Accepting the possibility of a general situation. If you're devoted to a specific religion, you're essentially saying that everyone else's is wrong and only your viewpoint and interpretations are correct. That's egocentric and arrogant, among other things.

It's all a sham. Meant to rob you blind and keep you from rising up. Perhaps Assassin's Creed had it right.

Tell a Christian, Muslim or Jew that humanity predates the birth of the Universe, six thousand years ago.

There is a lot to lose for people who control others with history.

What else? Power and control. Keep us all ignorant of our true origins so that we believe "this is just the way things are and have always been".

Kinda nebulous. Let's put it another way. If you could get the masses to understand one important, "lost", bit of knowledge what would it be and why would it be important? Granted, that question is vague as well, but it's because I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing so I'm looking to get clarification.

Hmm. Difficult question to answer. But how do you think the world would respond if they found out tomorrow that not only did an ancient, technologically and spiritually advanced civilization exist, but that its core teachings were deliberately co-opted and corrupted by enslavers, many (probably most) of them Freemasons in order to trick us into believing their version of history "his (the white man's) story" which is little more than a house of cards held together by hundreds of years of lies?

This still far too broad of a topic to discuss are you doing so intentionally?

I'll admit that I'm not fond of "the white man's story" bit. I would find it increadibly awesome if proof arose to demonstrate that ancient civs had advanced technology, I really would. That would help everyone. Sure, there'd probably be upheaval and, in this case, I do think the ends would justify the means.

How would the following: ancient civ A has advanced technology. Yet, they are destroyed and erased from history books by civ B who has lesser technologies. It doesn't make sense. Wouldn't A be able to easily defend themselves and if, for some reason, could not then at least they'd have the ability to continue their lineage and story.

The only thing I can think of is a catastrophic global disaster occured like the stories of Atlantis or lemuria or peeps living inside the Earth. Now we're really getting out there. Not saying this didn't happen, it very likely did, but then that would take so much more evidence to convince the world of what really happened millenia ago.

How would the following: ancient civ A has advanced technology. Yet, they are destroyed and erased from history books by civ B who has lesser technologies. It doesn't make sense. Wouldn't A be able to easily defend themselves and if, for some reason, could not then at least they'd have the ability to continue their lineage and story.

The only thing I can think of is a catastrophic global disaster occured like the stories of Atlantis or lemuria or peeps living inside the Earth. Now we're really getting out there. Not saying this didn't happen, it very likely did, but then that would take so much more evidence to convince the world of what really happened millenia ago.

Yep, what you're describing in your final paragraph is most likely the case in my opinion. "The Great Cataclysm" is kind of a catch-all phrase to describe this but you'll find descriptions of it in every ancient civilization and religion, even ones that seemingly wouldn't have had any contact with each other.

I think the two general theories are: 1. An ancient civilization existed that had advanced technology and they "destroyed themselves", leaving only a small number of survivors who have since re-populated the planet.

Or 2. A natural cataclysm like a flood or asteroid impact or volcanic eruption or some combination of these and/or others hit the planet at or around the same time and the end result was the same - only a small number of survivors.

There actually is quite a bit of evidence already out there to support the idea that humanity is at least a couple hundreds of thousands of years older than what's "commonly believed".

Exceptionally well-put. I owe you a beer (or drink of your choice).

Who do you think the "bad folk" are? Rothschild types, other humans behind them, or "other"?

Do you put any stock into the hollow Earth theories? I thought thete may be a few sites on your list re: underground cities.

A perfect example of such erasure in more modern times would be the conquistadors destroying the south american artifacts, buildings, and texts in the name of Christianity. There's religious genocide again.

I also like to take notice of the spirituality of high ranking people in the world. I have a picture of Anderson Cooper as a child with a sibling and his mother reading a book in a bed. On the wall above, there's a really interesting shrine of some sort with the horned god, a human in a box with red coming out of it, moon, stars, etc. It looks like a wiccan shrine to the horned god. It's not a bad thing, just interesting to see the spirituality of those most influential in the world. If I'm not mistaken, Hillary Clinton used to hold séances every so often.

All that makes me wonder what is really going on.

Makes you wonder about all of the "grave robbers" who ransacked the many pyramids around the world, eh?

Because these discoveries destroy the concept of a Young Earth that so many Christians have accepted as (forgive the pun) gospel truth.

Dogma motivates actions and wars, so when you are told that it was all based on half truths and whole lies, you start to wonder what else you've been lied to about.

YE Christians are the minority. That argument is not overly convincing.

Also, why are non-Christian countries hiding ancient civilizations? Or do they not?

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So ancient civs are common knowledge in countries, let's say, in Asia?

That I cannot speak on, as I do not live there. However, what I mentioned was specific to the North American continent. Specifically the contents of that video.

Religion is the most powerful control mechanism in history. Convince someone that their god(s) want them to do something, live a certain way, etc., and they'll do it without question all the while asking for forgiveness for wanting a better life than they are allowed to have. Genocide is committed in the name of a god. Take someone who doesn't believe any of it, and they start to think about the situation and how to make our better.

There doesn't necessarily have to be something to gain or lose. Science moves slowly and anything that challenges the accepted paradigm is almost always resisted at first. We've got the classic stories about people thinking the world was flat or the sun revolved around us. Like any other paradigm shifting scientific endeavour there is going to be lots of resistance.

The church, for instance.

Then, do you suppose that these ancients were common knowledge to people some ~2k years ago? That's a lot to completely forget about in such a short period of time.

Nope.

I can believe there were other civilizations, if we can call anything human a civilization on account of our endemic brutality, but they would be more like the aztecs, hopi and egyptians or chinese, not like manhattan.

As in, the real question is if steel had ever been discovered before it was in the modern historical record, or if a radio had ever been constructed.

Over the course of the 250k years the modern brain was evolving, there are bound to be counteless tribes and cities that became advanced in the same way ancient babylon was. If there were cities like these, I would not be shocked.

I would only be shocked if there were once like, cars and airplanes, and then ALL of that was completely erased over the course of 10,000 years.

This talk of coral castle and magic-like powers the atlantians had are pretty fanciful without evidence of actual understanding of the periodic table and electromagnetic spectrum.

Unless you go the other direction and these visitors were so far more advanced than us, all their technology was like the dramatic-device 'technology' of aliens as portrayed on shows like stargate sg-1. (oh this circuit board is really just 20 glowing crystals in a panel in the wall)

If there were aliens that advanced, it is difficult to imagine them having that much trouble with the environment of earth, unless there were so few of them, and there were other equally advanced aliens here.

And ancient aliens who have immense technology but just let humans go on the way we do, and no one ever visits us again, is well, pretty fanciful.

This is of course not to ignore or disregard the desire to find all evidence of the most advanced humans at any point in history, but barring truly extraordinary evidence, it's not going to upset the history we know and sort-of love/have no choice but to accept.

The vast majority of evidence is that there was no periodic table and electromagnetic understanding before the last two hundred years of human evolution, which, to me, is easy to accept.

What if the periodic table is not that important as we think? Quantum physics allows to describe the micro-world matter using math equations. So, instead of having this giant table of elements, they could have just known that some function of (number of protons, neurons, electrons) is true for all stable elements, and another function returns the default aggregation state, for example. We are not looking for these equations, nor that we even know how they would look like in an ancient math language.

I don't see how quantum physics could come before thorough understanding of the periodic table, or relativity, or nuclear physics, for that matter.

You're imagining some group of people like kabaala buddhists using mind powers to skip a thousand years of scientific investigation, and I don't think that has any chance of being real, and so I say, it is fanciful.

We (modern humans) needed just a couple of hundred years to advance from the periodic table to quantum physics. Did we carve the former in stone to be seen by future generations? No. How would people from several thousand years in the future even guess that we know about the periodic table?

Besides, you don't know the pace at which the ancient people studied technology. Maybe they needed less time, maybe more, or maybe they just skipped this step and leaped to quantum stuff earlier.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or dismissive, I think it a valid question worth asking.

It was not just a few scientists, it was hundreds of thousands of scientists who got us where we are, all of the unsuccesful work contributed also.

To think there was just this city in the middle of africa who was able to do that, and invented transistors even, and that nothing of that survives, it's just too far fetched.

Thank you for posting this. Sometimes r/conspiracy seems like just another news outlet. But this stuff is always fascinating and I wish there would be more posts like this.

I love reading up stuff like this.

Also, check out Gunung Padang. Partially buried, "carbon dating by Beta Analytic of Miami, Florida at an area between 3 and 12 meters suggests the structure could in fact date to as old as 16,000 years BP." The samples proved to be older in origin the deeper into the ground it goes.

http://www.livescience.com/47835-massive-5-000-year-old-stone-monument-revealed-in-israel.html

I don't get it.

Living in Ireland, I am familiar with and have visited some of the examples in your list, as well as a bunch of others which you haven't included.

You have listed a lot of old monuments and structures, but I feel you have rather overlooked the opportunity to elaborate on your posits. Do you believe that some conspirators know more about the ancient civilisations that left these behind? Do you believe that they are keeping this knowledge from us? How are they doing so? Who are the conspirators? Are they the tyrants you envisage in our future?

Well well, a fascinating topic for which there appears not to be a dedicated subreddit. Somebody up for that?

/r/ForbiddenArchaeology

So that I can use the link, thanks. :-P

And I'm subbed.

20 character max for subs and aliases, jsyk.

Figured it could be an addition to your list, seems newly discovered.

It's not important.

Thanks for taking the time to post all this. Submissions like this are what originally got me interested in this sub. Plus with posts like this you don't have sift through all the bull shit and drama in the comment section.

The Bock Saga is the most interesting of all these stories that I have come across. Ior claimed to be the holder and teller of an oral history revealing the history of humans for many thousands of years, perhaps back a million years. And the temple excavation was halted long ago, perhaps still waiting to be opened and perhaps containing art from thousands of years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ior_Bock

You tryin to dig out this cave with me bro?

It is so obvious that the history of the human race goes back hundreds of thousands of years (at minimum).

I think astrology has a lot to do with all of this (and is the basis of almost all modern science and religion) and that time really does move in cycles.

Check out this blog if you've never seen it before - tons of great info on it, in my opinion. And actually he just posted something yesterday about the Sphinx. Synchronicity?

This is an excellent post, and some great conversations in the comments. I've been super-into this stuff for years now. Hopefully my comment doesn't come too late.

I didn't know which comment thread was most appropriate to mention this, but my dad just wrote and self-published a book (fictional story, but based on all the theories put forth by Hancock, Bauval, Dunn, etc etc). He ties all the ideas they've presented (and a lot of the ideas from this post & comments) together into an awesome story. I don't know what the reddiquette is about hawking products, but every single commenter and OP would totally dig it. It's available on Amazon - Songs Of Atlantis by Brian Power.

Really interesting, saving for future reading.

Wow this is just awesome, great info. There are few things i never heard of before lol

Hope more info comes out for everyone to see !!!

Thanks

Saving for later

DMANISI.

It's the most important find to debunking the out of Africa theory.

I found THIS when I was messing around on google earth ages ago. Do you think those lines are natural formations or something man made?

It all looks a little too regular to my untrained eye.

Here's another I stumbled across:

Temple of Jupiter Baal ("Heliopolitan Zeus") in Baalbek, Lebanon

Scroll through the pics -- LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE BLOCKS!! (Use the person in the pics for a sense of scale.)

artefacts .... artifacts?

Thank you! I have never heard it called "alternative archaeology", but I could (and probably will) spend the rest of the day reading about ancient places and things.

Considering the vast amount of time that has passed - or we believe has passed - between earth's creation and now, I believe it is very possible humans evolved and devolved several times maybe between then and now.

Great post! Commenting for future reference.

Me too.

Ever since I was a child, I had a dream to be an explorer. To discover lost ruins and hidden villages, to see the beauty of nature untouched by man, to find clues to our past...sigh.

So go do it man, it's never too late!

...I say as I sit at a desk in an office...

I should mention that my dream of this involves hundreds of thousands of dollars, hiring a group of mercenaries for protection, hiring non-biased researchers who are interested in where I'm going, and having plenty of training before hand to make sure I can complete the journey without keeping the group down.

I'm working on it.

Yes. Absolutely.

Yonaguni Monument? Come on. The exact same looking formations are seen immediately on the land form. This is a natural site. Not carved by human hand.

One of my favorite videos

Humanity has been actively lied to for centuries(and likely longer) about how expansive it's reach has been. The Mormons have been shit on since their creation, because they introduced 3 books, all of which reference pre-Abrahamic stories in one way or another. Including the ideas of Nibiru, reincarnation, and a global civilization.

In Northern Michigan, and Illinois, they've found 3,500-4,500 year old brass books telling the story of Moses, and the first Diaspora of the Lost Tribes. Did Smith find golden plates? No. Brass, very likely, and the FLDS movement said that they had brass plates with additional information.

That's not saying they're more right than others, however it paints a different picture when you know that other examples of the Mormon doctrine had been found for several hundred years before Smith found his copy, and hidden by the Calvinists(Catholic "Scientists"), because it went against the official dogma.

Thanks for the awesome post. I went to Teotihuacan this past spring equinox. There was no mention of the cave.. I also went to Tajin, another pyramid complex in Mexico not found by the Spanish.

Amazing. So amazing. The coolest part was walking the avenue of the dead. The scale is so huge.

I've spoken a bit about it, however there's more to be said eventually

Also: Word Soup.

I think the amount of resources and tech it takes to investigate underwater ruins like that is the biggest thing holding us back. Even if you had the tech, who's going to pay for it? It's not like the discovery is going to pay for the cost of the actual research so you have to find someone with the money to afford it and the passion to pay for it.

Exceptionally well-put. I owe you a beer (or drink of your choice).

Who do you think the "bad folk" are? Rothschild types, other humans behind them, or "other"?

Do you put any stock into the hollow Earth theories? I thought thete may be a few sites on your list re: underground cities.

A perfect example of such erasure in more modern times would be the conquistadors destroying the south american artifacts, buildings, and texts in the name of Christianity. There's religious genocide again.

Yeah I've heard of him. All this sketchy concealment tells us this stuff is really important technology. I bet Russia has it, and could release it, but it'd crash their oil-dependent economy, leaving them easy prey for NWO.

That also implies that if we can somehow clean up the cabal and switch to a gold-backed currency or crypto, some really amazing tech will be coming out.

Exactly why? Most likely scenario is that TPTB know everything except space travel and the greater interest in space to them is finding a working spacecraft. If they don't already have one otherwise why would the be sending the rosetta apcecraft to an asteroid with supposed structures on? I mention rosetta due to its name and the name of the probe onboard philea an interesting choice if you Google it, interestingly it has links to both Isis and Osiris we all know that gig now has something to do with the "antichrist"

Did you see the AMA a while back on this sub with Linda Brown, the daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown? Some pretty crazy stuff.

Damnit I missed that.