We are on the verge of another censoring of the internet. Every few years they advance it a little bit more. Any free thought social sites are the target now. It only goes downhill.

When google bought Blogger they revamped Blogger and deleted a lot of links.

How do you know the beheading videos are fake?

That's not the proper question. The real question is why should we believe they are real? Things in the universe do not simply "occur" until proven they did not, it's the other way around.

If the West is trying to use these videos as justification for intervention, why should we buy it at face value? We've already been burned numerous times by the BS they'll throw out there to start a war conflict.

If it's ISIS/L trying to show how "badass" they are, maybe they should try harder and not cop out with a lame fade to black. If you're that much of a badass then let's see it. Lord knows how many far more realistic and gruesome beheading videos exist on the internet, this is child's play.

So again, why in the world would we believe these videos as being real? Just because someone made them? I guess every Hollywood movie is non-fiction too then.

That's pretty sick, you want to actually see someone decapitated?

And this is the card that gets pulled. every. single. time. Questioning any gruesome event and you get called a sick-o.

Here's the deal. You and I will sit at home doing what we normally do for the next year or two. Whether we bomb ISIS/L, go back to Afghanistan/Iraq, destroy Syria/Iran, or whatever our next target is... we will remain relatively unaffected.

But what about those hundreds of thousands, even millions, of innocents who have their family members killed. Their houses destroyed. Their lives ruined. Don't even try to deny it, the Iraqis will gladly show you the aftermath of people who were not involved.

And then the billions upon billions of tax-payer dollars that will go to waste destroying these people, instead of going towards a one-payer Healthcare system. Not going to our infrastructure, our education, or our own economy. Nope, all of that going into the military industrial complex so we can blow up our new boogeyman.

So yes, I want some damn solid evidence that this conflict is worth it. If that takes me analyzing a beheading so that all this other bullshit can be avoided, I'll gladly do it.

I'm not talking about war, I'm talking about the murdered journalists.

And what do you think the purpose of those videos was for? It was to drum up the necessity to take action against ISIS/L.

You're telling me that it's not suspicious that three separate videos come out (from the same source, of course) and then Obama carrying the war banner yet again?

These people were a means to an end.

They were psyops.

Any proof to substantiate that claim?

Any proof that these were actually ISIS/L members and not some CIA/Mossad guys in a costume? Their accents aren't really leading towards the former.

There have been numerous experts (not that it takes one) that have called foul on these videos. There's a whole bunch of things that don't line up, from the accents.. the green-screening, the fade out, it goes on and on.

Except for the fact that people are leaving their countries to join ISIS.

Still waitin' on your concrete evidence, homie

And I'm waiting on yours.

This is your argument: "The videos are real because I was told they are real." That's all it takes?

If you don't have an skepticism (especially given our country's war-mongering history), then I don't know what to tell you.

I have as much proof that this is fake as you do it is real. We cancel out, and that's fine. However, that doesn't prove it's real. Things are not true unless proven otherwise, that's simply not how reality works.

There's a certain point where you should notice somebody is a troll - notice how they're interested in a discussion, have one-lined repetitive questions/assertions, etc.

We live in a day that evidence can be hidden, destroyed or altered. False evidence can be created. Your concrete evidence that this isn't one of those cases?

Because, after watching all the videos, I never saw a beheading. I saw what could've been a beheading but never showed it. I've seen other videos (unfortunately) and they show start to finish. ISIL is the baddies on the block, for them not to show what the Sinaloa shows, let a lone actual AQ and Al-Nusra, proves to me its fake.

So propaganda videos prove to you it's fake?

Any actual evidence?

There's the fact that the dude's throat got slashed 7 times without any blood?

And you're being counter-intuitive. If something happened, the onus of proof is on the party claiming it happened. You're implying that the beheading(s) happened. The burden is on you. From the videos that everybody is aware of - there is no evidence of a beheading - they all censor that part out (unlike countless real beheading videos from the last 10 years). That coupled with shady announcements by UK govt warning that viewing the video can constitute terrorism, the strange announcement by LiveLeak changing their long-held policy (since Ogrish days) on what videos they're willing to host, mainstream journals discussing the possibility that this was a hoax, the fact that the original video was outed by the organization known for providing the first fake Osama tape, etc. etc. etc.

-1 because you misrepresented his statement, thus creating a strawman argument.

He wrote:

... for [ISIL] not to show what the Sinaloa shows, let a lone actual AQ and Al-Nusra, proves to me its fake.

You constructed:

So propaganda videos prove to you it's fake?

Touche, there is no actual evidence within the videos, so providing evidence of said video seems pretty hard. Maybe they should release the full video?

PS. I'm all for the propaganda video of ISIL, but it makes zero sense. Time, opportunity, coverage all shows they could've released:

1. Edited video to the MSM

2. Unedited video to forums to prove their cojones.

3. was done, 2. was not. Now why would they do that? When other organizations (not terrorists, but narcos) do it all the time?

Are you expecting rationality from jihadists?

Believe it or not, they are actually very rational people (well those at the top). The motive is power, those at the top know this. Yes, there are crazy/ignorant "useful idiots", but the shot callers are very rational and savy. Now, what are you going on about. Let me ask you, how can you prove these are real? What evidence do you have to back up your claims. I've laid it out, your turn?

The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, friend.

The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, friend.

Exactly. Still waiting for ISIL/ISIS to prove that they beheaded James Foley, Steven Sotloff, David Haines, and Herve Gourdel based on the videos (leaked by a private, US-intelligence firm no less). They're proof doesn't satisfy myself and several others.

Their. Also, individual skepticism is not proof that anything was faked.

Their videos do not show beheadings. For fuck's sake, there's subliminal messaging in the Herve one! Who fucked up on that one?

The theory that "maybe they just felt like not showing it" is just as valid as yours. Neither of us have an ounce of substantial evidence.

Not unless you completely overlook the military strategy that this lead to. Why would you openly call out the President of the biggest military-industrial-complex nation on the globe? Especially if you're mainly just interested in carving up part of Iraq/Syria and instilling Shariah law, and want to just be left alone. If that's your end goal, these videos goaded the US into military action, exactly what these ISIL/ISIS people do not want. The American people were against war in Syria last year, and what do you think changed that?

This leads me to believe that this scenario is quite obvious and the videos accomplished exactly what they were supposed to. To get US citizens to be OK with bombing more brown people to get us out of this recession. It's the only way.

No friend, you are questioning why I think they are fake. Now, it's time for you to express your opinion/facts on why they are real. On what basis have you come to this conclusion. I'm all ears.

Because there's no substantial evidence to the contrary.

Proof? I'll submit this to my list: https://www.youtube.com/v/sUyo8H5brgk How to fake a beheading.

Now where is all your evidence to prove it actually happened? Like I said, I'm all ears. If you can prove me wrong, showing me a shadow of a doubt it "actually" happened. I will rescind my opinion and accept I'm wrong. But only till you point me to your evidence. Show me where a man lost his life, not just faded to black, like some cheep hollywood mellow drama. Show me proof, a man lost his life. Until then, photoshop can do wonders ;)

Wasting your time, man. He's being paid to divert you down this path and not pay attention to something else and try and get you to say something so they can ban you. Don't feed the troll.

You posed that it may have been faked, then posted a dead link to back up your claim. Until you have a logical argument, I have no obligation to refute your theory.

Not a dead link, just re watched :). What would I say to the families? I don't know. What would I say to a family that doesn't know there son is addicted to heroin. Been there, done that. What makes you think they know one thing and their son knows another? You still haven't proven anything, you haven't submitted any facts for your opinion. Dude, are you serious? Give me something, I told you I'm open ears. I'm objective and would like to see your links/facts. Where are they?

Google the damned topic, the only sites that claim it was faked are whackjob loonies that think FEMA has death camps.

As an afterthought, would you tell the families of people "supposedly" beheaded by ISIS that they were being lied to?

You posed that it may have been faked, then posted a dead link to back up your claim. Until you have a logical argument, I have no obligation to refute your theory.

As an afterthought, would you tell the families of people "supposedly" beheaded by ISIS that they were being lied to?

Wasting your time, man. He's being paid to divert you down this path and not pay attention to something else and try and get you to say something so they can ban you. Don't feed the troll.

Not unless you completely overlook the military strategy that this lead to. Why would you openly call out the President of the biggest military-industrial-complex nation on the globe? Especially if you're mainly just interested in carving up part of Iraq/Syria and instilling Shariah law, and want to just be left alone. If that's your end goal, these videos goaded the US into military action, exactly what these ISIL/ISIS people do not want. The American people were against war in Syria last year, and what do you think changed that?

This leads me to believe that this scenario is quite obvious and the videos accomplished exactly what they were supposed to. To get US citizens to be OK with bombing more brown people to get us out of this recession. It's the only way.