Why do we need secret programs at all?

Why would people who stand against secret programs and black budget shadowy government agencies want to be a cog in their compartmentalized machine?

Do you really think that you join the CIA as a low level analyst and suddenly have access to all the information they are hidding?

This is a strange post, it sounds a lot like "you can't bitch about what the CIA is doing if you aren't willing to join the CIA and find out for yourself"...

Clearly you can get access to that info as a low level consultant as Snowden proved.

I'm pretty certain he actually used higher up people's credentials to get some of that info. Also I believe he was working on the tech side of things meaning he had some access that a standard employee would not have. Just like your IT guy can see your boss's emails, doesn't mean he has the power to do what your boss does.

Great. Let's join as IT people.

The things Snowden hasn't mentioned are the really interesting ones. He's acting as if it's possible to be secure on the internet from the NSA. Apparently he's a hacker who's unfamiliar with Van Eck Phreaking and that the NSA monitors "unintentional intelligence bearing signals" in the atmosphere as part of its TEMPEST program.

That's the very tip of the iceberg.

3 things. First is that there are many whistleblowers. If you don't think people are blowing the whistle all the time then you need to read more.

Second, have you seen how whistleblowers get treated?

Which brings me to my third point. If you're already established there then you find out something is wrong you are going to have to decide if you want to give up your career and all of your experience to do "what is right". Most people aren't willing to do that or simply can't from a survival point of view. (debit is a hell of way to live)

On top of that, the kinds of peple youa re talking about who read about conspiracies and then want to do something are usually already in their mid 20's or older and have a career and a life. It's a pretty huge risk to give up your career to try and go into a field just so you can blow the whisle on what you think might be happening.

Ding ding ding!

Edit: adding my own. 4. The odds are that its in the works as we type.

I can think of one whistle-blower in recent history

Snowden?

no one else that has whistle blown has offered proof

Chelsea Manning?

Snowden did corroborate some of the older NSA whisleblower's stuff though, even if they didn't have 'proof' as we'd like it.

Good idea. When does your employment start?

Being the descendant of two generations that have worked for various agencies of the Federal government has convinced me to stay in the private sector.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair

Wait, you're already on the inside and not doing anything?! You have a better shot at infiltrating than the rest of us!

Something tells me your lying.

Most information is "stringed" together from whistleblowers, disgruntled politicians/insiders, investigative journalists.

Of course the "stringing" is what draws the "theory" part until of course an irrefutable source comes forward such as government disclosure (Watergate, Iran-Contra) or whistleblowers compromising official programs (MK-Ultra)

There is a time and a place for creating change from the inside. This is not that time or place. By joining these organizations (cia, fbi, military, etc) you become an accomplice to their crimes and tyranny. We are past fixing the system... It's time to destroy it, piss on the ashes, and build something new... Viva la revolution!

once you join them you get sucked into the corruption , the power trip , the deceit grown and consumes you and you become rotten to the core just like they are , only a few are strong enough to walk away if they are lucky enough to be in a position to , even if you have information to share with people .. people will still call you a lier unless you have proof .. proof is hard to come by and harder to hold onto .. sceptics are the first to shoot down the truth when its right in front of them and it makes it harder for the truth to get out . been there by self ..

Do you know what happens to whistle blowers? They flee the country or get killed. Techically, doing what you are suggestion is treason* and I have no desire to be shot or jailed or seek asylum and be a world wide celebrity.

• no, I do not think this should be treason, but it is.

Snoden supposedly put his life on the line to prove the completely illegal unconstitutional actions of the NSA. Who has went to jail? Has the illegal actions stopped? What did it really accomplish? Who did he save?

This adds strength to the 'limited-hangout' theory on Snowden.

Chelsea Manning is in jail.

My perspective is that the whole system has been infiltrated by corruption and converted into a bribery system. Therefore trying to go through the system to fix the system would be suicide.

A lot more than a tenth are true, and the human population has been greatly, GREATLY manipulated to be acquiescent sheep.

So? Isn't it worth exposing something serious?

Snowden did corroborate some of the older NSA whisleblower's stuff though, even if they didn't have 'proof' as we'd like it.

I can think of one whistle-blower in recent history

Snowden?

no one else that has whistle blown has offered proof

Chelsea Manning?

Clearly you can get access to that info as a low level consultant as Snowden proved.