Add it to the list. Probably up to about 70 or more "drills that went live" now in the last 15-20 years.

Is there an actual list of these?

Here's a GLP thread discussing it - it has a bunch of links with more information/corroboration. Bear in mind that it's from 2013 so there are even more that can be added now.

Wow, thanks!

nice link

how did u find it

Pretty sure I was looking at GLP when it was posted - I check there sometimes.

hasnt it gottena lot worse?

ive been there like 2 x...

Yeah it's mostly Ebola fear porn at the moment. There are diamonds buried in the rough though, it's actually awesome sometimes for reading breaking news stories.

That's virtually the only use I've found for glp. Breaking news. I swear the doom tards know about things before the nsa does.

hmm cool

Why did the school remove the SWAT exercise notice, given that:

• The state demands pride in the militarized police.
• Increased perception of police availability would (if this wasn't faked) be exactly what a victim school would (have otherwise) want(ed) to show
• Such a removal would, by raising suspicions and foisting doubt, slightly reduce the 'reality' (probably a better word somewhere) of the event: the opposite of the desired outcome for a non-staged event

So that people wouldn't get confused thinking it's a drill?

This event could get "confused" for a drill, huh? Yup, that's it.

If you check the website and see two posts, one about training and one about an incident, can't you see how people might get confused and think the real one is just part of the training? Or more realistically, how someone at the school could think that could happen and take down the first one?

No idea, but there it is: they removed the notice.

And Google magically lost the cached version of the school's website after CNN quoted said news update.

I'd like to find a copy of that CNN broadcast.

Similar, a bit more info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGfsXcZsr4

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72FDUGKlfJg

• List of 63 terror drills that became actual attacks

Highlights:

• 9/11
• London Subway
• Oklahoma City
• Sandy Hook
• Aurora, CO
• Boston Marathon

Associated meme:

• http://edwardmd.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/00drill603712_10200305411612853_2104942473_n1.jpg

(Thanks to /u/Ambiguously_Ironic!)

Add Madrid 2004 to the list. It was a NATO exercise that went live. People seem to forget about Madrid all the time.

Sandy Hook is pretty weak, it was just a class nearby, right?

Can anyone explain to me the purpose of arranging drills that turn into live operations? Literally what purpose would that serve? Genuine question.

Instant cover story if the op goes bad. Otherwise known as subterfuge.

Control of the area

Great damn point.

edit: Hahaha who downvotes "Great damn point."??? hehe

A reason to have everyone needed in place and ready to go. Otherwise everyone would be un prepared and things could get messy

Go ask Hitler

It allows for increased "emergency" measures and increased control.

It's about power and control, always.

yeah as soon as i heard the news (i heard it very early on, before there were any articles on it) i went to the marysville school district site where i saw the swat message, before they had even mentioned the school shooting. Now, they took the post down. Not really sure why they would do that, seems it would only promote thoughts of a conspiracy. They must know that many people saw the same post - removing it makes little sense.

They must know that many people saw the same post - removing it makes little sense.

Yeah... I mean there's simply no reason at all that they would want to change the site to read this:

October 24, 2014, 2:05 pm Earlier today, Marysville Pilchuck High School was placed in lock down following an emergency situation. Police and emergency services responded and are now directing from their command center along with assistance from Marysville School District staff. We are actively working with law enforcement in identifying students and getting them home safely. A student reunification center is located at the corner of 116th and 51st Street at the Shoultes Community Church. Support services for students and families are also available at this location. All after school events have been cancelled district-wide. This is an active police investigation. All media calls are being directed to local law enforcement. Additional information will be released as it becomes available. We want to extend our thoughts and prayers to the families involved in this tragedy. When something happens to one of our children, it happens to all of us. We are working closely with law enforcement. Our thoughts are with all students, families, staff, and our communities during this time.

October 23, 2014

Yeah, good thing it isn't the 24th or anything.

We'll it says swat training WILL ...

That means in the future. Could say "will take place tomorrow" or today, or next week. We don't know bc the original was (SUSPICIOUSLY) deleted

Wtf? Good thing they did it the day before, you know, for preparedness. And why can't I go to the cached version of the high school's page?

I'm from a neighboring school, probably 15 minutes away and this is very real.

I know a guy who saw it happen right in front of him, he saw jaylen pull out the gun.

Tweets of the people in that community are heartbreaking. Friends and family of his are in absolute shock. Meanwhile, this subreddit decides to turn the situation into their own little circle-jerk.

http://i.imgur.com/5B8uyxf.jpg

This was grabbed as soon as I heard about the shooting. I was looking to see if the district had made a statement yet. Sorry to ruin your theory, but it's talking about the training happening by the district office / bus barn on 80th st. http://goo.gl/maps/jV5T4

It does seem to be one hell of a coincidence though.

Thanks for the info. It is a helluva coincidence. In the realm of politics, power and police, I don't believe in coincidence theory.

There have been far too many coincidences of this nature in the past years. It strains credibility to lay it all on coincidence.

Credibility is strained when everything under the sun is a conspiracy. It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome by now, I wish conspiracy nuts would understand that.

When it comes to power and economics, we are being conspired against. Always.

The price of liberty is what?

When it comes to power and economics, we are being conspired against. Always. The price of liberty is what?

No, you arent. Most of the world is pretty simple, and has been for thousands of years. At times it's more complicated, but for the most part it's not. Take you for example... you're not some genius sunflower who just hasn't found their calling. You are simply someone who doesn't have anything better to do. Maybe you are socially awkward and something keeps you inside the home, but there is no conspiracy regarding your personality. You simply are who you are and you choose to be that way. 99% of this country and this world is run in the same fashion, and the few connected conspiracies are overlooked because you are too busy focusing on situations that can play out like a 90 minute action movie. It's the reason half of your responses don't directly relate to the comment at hand, the reason you talk and think in circles. You are looking for bad information and you are finding it, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, but it doesn't make the information accurate.

It's a proven fact that there is a small percentage of the population, 3-5%, that lack emotional activity and have a desire for power and control over others.

The worst of sociopaths will do anything to get and keep power/control over others. They're at the top of the pyramid in politics, the banking/corporate combines, the military-police complex and any other hierarchy. They wish only power, status and control.

This isn't about me, btw, but I do hope you feel a little in your personal delusions in having been able to vent.

This is absolutely about you. You have proven that over and over, and you just did it again. The fact that there are sociopaths in our society does not mean that they are all at the top and that they hold government positions while actively conspiring against you. The fact that you connect the 2 without any kind of doubt says more about you than it does society.

Sorry, it's not about me. You're welcome to keep trying to make it so if you wish.

I'll leave these here for you:

http://www.ponerology.com

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Beyond_Conspiracy_Theory

Sorry, it's not about me. You're welcome to keep trying to make it so if you wish. I'll leave these here for you: http://www.ponerology.com https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Beyond_Conspiracy_Theory

I'm not sure what you're trying to show me. That you can find bad information by looking for bad information? I think we've already established that. We know there are sociopaths and psychopaths, and yes maybe some of them hold high positions or have in the past. I'm more scared of you than I am then. You have more power to affect my daily life with; rallies, terrorism, and militia like stances than they do with bills to ban guns, upping taxes, and whether or not they can check to see whether I'm a terrorist or not.

I get the impression that most of you think you are some kind of shepherd to the people, that you're here for some kind of higher purpose. I hate to break it to you, but you're not, and 99% of the people in this world have better things to do then take a stormy day as a sign of the apocalypse.

I'm more scared of you than I am then.

You're more scared of someone you believe to be "socially awkward" with "nothing better to do" than you are of sociopaths that seek economic and political control.

I see.

Well yeah, the amount of bad info that you regurgitate as fact is scary. The fact that you have people that think like you is frightening. The rebels without a cause can follow your cause, no matter how far out there it is. Whatever makes you think the way you think is also a concern, but a separate one.

Then counter what you perceive as my bad info with info you think is good info rather than engage in dishonest tactics - attack character or impugn malintent.

Coincidence theorists have a bad habit of making it personal rather than address the issues at hand.

Then counter what you perceive as my bad info with info you think is good info rather than engage in dishonest tactics - attack character or impugn malintent.

I did... in this thread in fact. I showed you how common the drills were with links to articles. You promptly stopped any part of the actual discussion at that point.

Coincidence theorists have a bad habit of making it personal rather than address the issues at hand.

Conspiracy theorists have a bad habit of using convenient information to support their version of the truth, and exiting the discussion when their information is no longer convenient. I have nothing against you personally, if you see anything I said as an attack maybe that has to do more with how you think than what i'm saying. I'm trying to convey the fact that people like you scare me as part of our society.

I have nothing against you personally

Your words speak otherwise.

people like you scare me

If ideas that you may disagree with scare you, I can see why you have a difficult time changing your opinion of anything.

Your words speak otherwise.

Again, maybe that says more about you than it does me. You read between the lines with conspiracy theories, and you are taking my comments as you wish.

If ideas that you may disagree with scare you, I can see why you have a difficult time changing your opinion of anything.

It's not your ideas that scare me, it's how you go about getting them. You go from theories to truth in a flash, leaving out volumes in the middle. When confronted with evidence that contradict the convenience of your theories, you stop the discussion and either stop responding or focus on complaining about some personal attack against you. You basically use the same tricks that politicians and self proclaimed prophets use.

I assume that those in power or those that seek power don't have honorable intentions. History bears out my assumption.

What do you assume about those in power or those that seek power?

I assume that those in power or those that seek power don't have honorable intentions. History bears out my assumption. What do you assume about those in power or those that seek power?

You're talking in circles again, it's quite insulting for you to think people won't pick up on this little trick. You rarely respond to the actual comment, instead you ask yet another theoretical and quite rhetorical question that you simply may find profound. If we are going to have an actual discussion, its to get back to where we left of at the evidence these drills are common enough that its quite plausible for the 2 things to happen on the same day.

An actual discussion isn't making it about me or my character. I'm trying to show you how to have a discussion. I presented my opinion and then I asked your opinion. I didn't attack you either.

Send me a link to the evidence you presented.

Send me a link to the evidence you presented.

It's in this same thread, and the responses were directly to you. You can go through your history and find them.

I found it. It seems you've already made up your mind based on a few links. My opinion is formed by years of witnessing false flags perpetrated by governments and by years of police lying in simple reports. I can only imagine how big the lies in larger events.

In the end, it's just that: opinion. If you dislike my opinion, you're welcome to disagree. Personal attacks are a dishonest tactic.

I found it. It seems you've already made up your mind based on a few links.

I gave you evidence that you asked for. You ended the discussion when you couldn't make reason out of the evidence. Again... common tactic.

My opinion is formed by years of witnessing false flags perpetrated by governments and by years of police lying in simple reports. I can only imagine how big the lies in larger events.

Witnessed? As in you were there physically at each occurrence when it happened?

Personal attacks are a dishonest tactic.

You've never really pointed out where exactly you were attacked personally. Claiming personal attacks when they never really happened is the dishonest tactic.

Were you physically present and able to state that there was no conspiracy? If you weren't present, then our opinions are of equal weight.

There you go again, talking in circles. It's insulting that you think I'm immature enough to fall for such tactics. You stated something as fact, and I asked you for more information on said fact. Instead of answering the question you yet again ask another hypothetical and rhetorical question, regarding what I believe in the situation.

Were you physically present and able to state that there was no conspiracy? If you weren't present, then our opinions are of equal weight.

But to answer your question... no they do not hold equal weight. Witnessing a crime holds a lot of weight. For you to state that you witnessed such events is a bold statement, so i asked you for clarification. Its nothing short of appalling for you to backtrack and claim your opinion is just as factual as the overwhelming evidence that this was another tragedy perpetrated by a mentally ill person. This kind of logic scares me, and that's what you might have taken as a personal attack previously. I was making a statement about the mindset, not about your character. There is plenty of common sense for being scared of someone who uses this logic. There are plenty of studies and discussions regarding this fictitious logic, it's called the argument for ignorance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

This is about our opinions, no matter how much you try to make it about me. My opinion seems to scare you, over and over again.

Perhaps you should stick to the NBA and leave actual opinion to those people that don't get scared by mere ideas.

If you were paying attention you would have seen that I confirmed I'm not afraid of your ideas, I'm scared of how you get them. I see you are back to your old tricks, not really answering actual questions, failing to stay on topic, and using vague comments to change direction. Keep on thinking free, free thinker.

Perhaps you can find others on the internet that meet your requirements.

Good luck.

This is one of many reasons most of us don't take people like you seriously. I tried many times to get you back on track to the actual discussion, and you were obviously unwilling to do so, i'm assuming because it wasn't convenient for your version of the truth.

I don't care if you believe me or not. This exercise has been for those that might run across this thread. Fair minded people will see which of us more closely embodies a spirit of truth. It's for the reader to decide, not you or me.

BTW, you never did respond to this:

I assume that those in power or those that seek power don't have honorable intentions. History bears out my assumption.

What do you assume about those in power or those that seek power?

Your answer, or lack of an answer, will say a lot about what your intentions have actually been during this exchange.

I don't care if you believe me or not. This exercise has been for those that might run across this thread. Fair minded people will see which of us more closely embodies a spirit of truth. It's for the reader to decide, not you or me. BTW, you never did respond to this: I assume that those in power or those that seek power don't have honorable intentions. History bears out my assumption. What do you assume about those in power or those that seek power? Your answer, or lack of an answer, will say a lot about what your intentions have actually been during this exchange.

Any sane person with the reading comprehension of a 5th grader would realize that if anything, you were the one not answering questions during this exchange, and only asking new ones to derail the fact that you weren't answering questions to stay on topic. If you would like to go back and completely answer all of my questions that you didn't answer, then I'd be happy to answer your silly little one here. Keep asking, free asker.

We've already established that I scare you. Our hypothetical 5th graders might be laughing at that fact.

Any sane person with a 5th grade reading comprehension (who happened to read this) would also realize that I said and confirmed multiple times that it's not you or your ideas that scare me, it's how you go about getting your ideas.

Conquer your fear. It's good for you.

Still talking in circles? I'm assuming you're the one that's afraid to have an actual discussion, instead of talking in hyperbole's and cliches. I can still only assume that it's because you can no longer stand up for your initial argument, or possibly just trolling.

If you could lose your fear, conversation might be possible. Your fear causes you to go on the attack, whether you realize it or not.

Still talking in circles? I'm assuming you're the one that's afraid to have an actual discussion, instead of talking in hyperbole's and cliches. I can still only assume that it's because you can no longer stand up for your initial argument, or possibly just trolling.

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I think he actually believes what he says. I've changed a few minds over the years and am always willing to put a little time into those people still stuck in a cognitively dissonant perception of the world.

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I see it as win-win: if he's for real, then I can engage him and maybe edge him out of his comfort zone enough so that his opinion might change down the road.

If he's a shill engaging in personal attacks for no other reason but to derail, then I can engage him reasonably and the fence-sitters that might run across the thread can see who the reasonable mind is: the one not engaging in personal attacks.

Win-win. : )

Not knowing the full content of the post, it's just grasping for straws in my opinion. Doesn't mention when the SWAT training would be taking place, so we must assume it's the next day? I wish it wasn't removed, so it could provide more answers than questions.

It makes no difference. The announcement of a drill was removed and now the announcement of an emergency is on the school's site.

The close proximity of the events is a bit difficult to relegate to coincidence theory.

I agree that announcement was removed, for what reason, I don't know.

You keep saying drill, it was training, for all you know they could it could have been baton training.

Not even a complete sentence, no evidence here.

It's SWAT training. It says so in the now removed announcement.

Yes, SWAT Training, not SWAT drill, no date posted for when that SWAT training was to take place. So, why are we to assume it was the very next day?

I assume nothing. I certainly don't assume that government is honest.

We all have to make our own decisions with the information as we find it. I'm just presenting what I found. What you decide to do with it is up to you.

You are assuming something though, you are saying it's a false flag based off an incomplete sentence.

It's evident to me that it's a false flag. You're welcome to disagree with my opinion.

"evident" has an actual meaning.

Evident to me. YMMV.

based solely on one posting on one website. That's literally the only bit of information you need to claim this is a false flag.

that's your burden of proof? Holy shit, please never be on a jury.

It appears we disagree. A pity.

Sheeple are on both sides, clearly.

"I assume nothing" says the guy who sees an announcement for SWAT training and decides that means this was a false flag. Kinda seems like a pretty big assumption yhere

Do you assume that government is an honest business?

That's a leap too many take.

How is a false flag any more likely than an actual school shooting?

No I don't assume the government is honest, but that doesn't mean the next logical conclusion is that the government is responsible for school shootings

maybe they removed the announcement because it was yesterday and no longer applies.

Or maybe they think that by removing it from the website, no one would know that this "shooting" is fake.

That is unless the world had a hero we deserved. Thank you.

The announcement of a drill was removed and now the announcement of an emergency is on the school's site.

So they had scheduled a drill for some time in the future, and now there is a real emergency. Makes sense to remove the announcement for a drill, as there is a real emergency.

Whats the conspiracy? That shooter was attempting to disrupt a drill?

The conspiracy is in the number of "drills" that go live:

http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

What about all the cases where drills do not go live?

Say people take umbrellas to work on random days of the week. Now it turns out that 100 people took umbrellas to work on one day, and it actually started raining. Conspiracy? No. You're not taking into consideration the 900 people who did not take umbrellas to work, or the other times when these 100 people took umbrellas to work and it didn't rain.

Yeah, and what about when 9 out of 10 people would rather keep their head in the sand and just pretend the world is perfect and that the government is honest and takes care of them (even though an overwhelming amount of hard evidence indicates otherwise)

Citation? The number of people who think the world is perfect is extremely low. You seem to be making up facts to make yourself seem better than everyone else.

Read this and get back to me:

https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/drill-site-activation-call-down-exercise-plan_a.pdf

I love when conspiracy theorists assign homework with no objective

"Read this, all will be revealed"

www.thejewsruneverythingfreethinkorgonlyfreedomourrights.com

I love when coincidence theorists don't read and tell me to watch TV.

Jokes on you, I don't do either

the close proximity of the events is a bit difficult to relegate to coincidence theory.

Yes, but looking at the loopy coincidence theorists on this post, well, they have somehow managed! Lack of shame helps.

They lack a sense of realpolitik. I think they might be ashamed of some of their porn collections.

So is there a single screenshot or cache of this notice anywhere that goes beyond "in the large fenced parking..." -- It could be saying any number of things after that... "in the large fenced parking lot this coming weekend" for example... Is there any evidence or suggestion that there was any police or SWAT presence at the school when the shooting occurred?

Nothing is ever a coincidence...but every thing is a false flag!

Nothing is ever a false flag...but every thing is a coincidence !

Pointing out a possible coincidence is not evidence of a false flag.

Not everything is a false flag. This has all the appearances of one.

I have never seen a school shooting or any other tragic even not be called a false flag in this subreddit.

It must be so blissful in world where you automatically force yourself to believe the unofficial narrative of every. single. event.

Columbine and Virginia tech.

Elliot Rodgers for a more recent one.

Three shootings you'd be hard pressed to find false flag claimers, even on this board.

As for school shootings that happen at the same time as massive drills for like situations... Well...

How many times does it have to happen before you at least consider the possibility that fuckery is afoot?

"It's pretty cool if you, like, can think about stuff without fully committing to any one premade world view in the process."

-Wayne Gretzky

You can use the reddit search and find at least one submission claiming false flag for both of those shootings. Not hard at all.

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Hey now, we don't need to gang up on the poor little guy, he's just learning :^)

>implying using reddit search isn't hard.

It's at least twice as difficult as pasting a link, and you've already done two-thirds of the work!

Besides, its not like I claimed they were non existent; it's fringe speculation even on a board such as this.

Did you even consider the rest I my post?

What other people post isn't my responsibility.

How do you explain the coincidence of an announced SWAT drill and a school shooting? The announcement is still on google even if the school has taken it down.

It's a coincidence. Isn't that possible? Seattle Metro area is huge and two events can occur near each other.

Isn't that possible?

Not really.

If P(GOVT_SHOOTING_EXERCISE_HERE) is, say, 0.0000001, and

P(mass_shooting_HERE) is 0.00000001,

then P(GOVT_SHOOTING_EXERCISE_HERE & mass_shooting_HERE) = 0.0000000000000001

Unfortunatly, now, a baysian approch, with SWAT_EXERCISE_HERE priors will increase the apparent liklihood of mass_shooting_here

Conspiracy theory logic in a nutshell: assign a random probability to two events, plug them into a probability equation, result = proof

You fucking stupid moron: it was an example. you are really stupid.

You actually thought I was asserting that 0.0000001 was the real probability. Wow.

You belong in /r/conspiratard

I thought about that possibility, then I remembered you post in /r/conspiracy, so I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt.

Oooh, meow. Boy, you really told me.

and now comes the shill claims by others since you dont ignorantly agree with the mindset of /r/conspiracy

Marysville police were directing an "event" and now there's an "emergency" at a Marysville school.

A bit much to believe but I suppose some people will believe anything.

how many times in the last, say, two years has Marysville Police had a "practice event"? similar to the one they announced for today?

If this is the only one in 2 years, Ok, maybe it's an interesting bit of evidence. If they've done it 50 times, well then, coincidences do actually happen.

It's an interesting bit of evidence, indeed.

so you have an answer to my question? How often does the police department have these drills? I'm just asking questions.

so you have an answer to my question? How often does the police department have these drills? I'm just asking questions.

You can find out as easily as he can.

Why don't you ask the Oracle?

Because for it to be worthwhile for me to disprove every inane baseless conspiracy claim, I WOULD actually have to be a paid shill.

In any debate the onus is on the person who makes the claim or hypothesis to make a reasonable effort to disprove the hypothesis or search for alternate explanations.

You can't throw random shit against the wall and wait for everyone else to prove lizard people didn't make it happen.

In any debate the onus is on the person who makes the claim or hypothesis to make a reasonable effort to disprove the hypothesis or search for alternate explanations.

Okay. Fine.

OP points out that there was a SWAT drill at this same school only yesterday.

You ask "How often does the police department have these drills?", implying that they have them at this location every year, month, week, day... whatever.

This is YOUR hypothesis.

YOU support it.

See?

:-)

OP is the one making the case that this is an unusual event, so much so that coincidence is ruled out. If he's going to put the theory forth and expect people to consider it, it's his responsibility to present the facts. All of them, not just those that support his idea.

I don't have an opinion as if yet either way. But I'd like to see those numbers. If OP or anyone supporting his theory refuse to post them for everyone to easily see I can then assume two things; 1) OP doesn't care enough to find evidence supporting him and therefore probably doesn't much believe his own theory, or 2) the numbers contradict the theory and it's likely wrong.

I implied nothing. I was "just asking questions"

Perhaps one of us can look it up and get back to the other. I've always found that trying to answer my own questions is a better education than asking someone else.

You've made a hypothesis that the two things are connected. The way that one strengthens a hypothesis is to search for evidence that would disprove your hypothesis.

If you want to live in a world where whatever baseless assumption you claim is fact until someone else takes the time to prove your assumption baseless, well that's never going to happen.

You make a hypothesis, you do the work to do the vetting.

I'm confident that the Marysville PD hasn't been doing frequent SWAT drills such that they would warrant an announcement on a school's website. If you'd like to change my mind, show me the evidence that backs up what you think.

What is the confidence based on?

Your attitude indicates that you don't want everyone to easily see them, and that means they likely don't support your theory.

When I know I'm right and want people to realize something I care about is truth, I don't find it an inconvenience to add facts and numbers to clearly support my argument.

Rather than make this about me, kindly address the obvious: an announced SWAT drill that appears to have gone live.

The SWAT training was even announced on CNN:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=72FDUGKlfJg

An unannounced drill that was announced on CNN? And the school website?

Whatever. I'm not really caring about this, it's just another shooting. But I think it's ridiculous that you put forth this theory, smugly insult anyone who questions it, and refuse to barely even address the posts your replying to.

If you think you've found something worthwhile try taking the time to vet it before posting. If it's true, that time will pay off. If it's not, you saved yourself from becoming just another loon making this sub look like it's full of crazy people rather than concerned people thinking clearly and reading between the lines.

Again, cease making this about me or your opinion of me. I'm not going to tell you again.

That almost sounded like a threat, but I'm surely mistaken. Is that how you handle people that disagree with you?

why are you confident in that fact?

I can say that I'm confident you are an overweight virgin with bad facial hair, but I really have no actual evidence to support that claim. So it would be idiotic and baseless of me to make such a hypothesis.

You should know that I cannot prove a negative. I cannot prove some connection doesn't exist. You have made a hypothesis. At least do the fucking minimum amount of research to see if your WAC has some amount of merit greater than zero.

You can prove a positive. Your conjecture is that the Marysville PD might engage in a lot of drills. Should be easy to prove.

No need to cuss. It undermines your presentation.

again. I'm not the one with a dog in this fight. If you have any intellectual integrity, if you make a hypothesis, you should do some semblance of stress testing before you go public with it. Otherwise, the sub just ends up with a bunch of monkeys throwing shit against a wall.

You have a dog in this fight or you wouldn't be here.

sometimes I watch reality TV. doesn't mean I have a vested interest in their goings on.

TV is bad for you. Maybe you should stop watching it.

Haha, its common practice here to do your own homework. You came with the possibility they do it often so fucking prove it or go bother someone else. This is how we tell a difference in a real user of r/con or someone that is here to be a distraction. What is a bigger coincidence, is your familiar tactics. You are not very good at this.

Washington schools are required to have lockdown drills http://www.k12.wa.us/SAFETYCENTER/Emergency/default.aspx

There was a swat drill at a washington school just last year, no deaths reported. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Students-get-eye-opening-experience-during-school-shooting-drill-210168841.html

A swat team terrorist drill on a ferry just 2 years ago... and nobody died. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/SWAT-teams-storm-ferry-in-terrorism-drill-176315161.html

That's all dandy. It doesn't strike you as the least bait odd that there'd be a shooting in the same town and in the same school system that just announced a drill?

That's all dandy. It doesn't strike you as the least bait odd that there'd be a shooting in the same town and in the same school system that just announced a drill?

With only 40-50 counties in the state and only 365 days a year... no it doesn't. With a dozen or so school shootings in the past 10-20 years in that state alone... and you're acting like its 1 in a million chance? You said it would be interesting to see how common these drills are. I showed you how common they are, yet you're still stuck on the conspiracy?

A swat drill last year and one two years ago ain't that common.

I found those with ease. I'm not about to waste anymore time on searching for subject matter regarding your conspiracy theory. Even with just a couple of instances over the span of 2 years, it's common enough that it's entirely plausible, and it's nowhere near uncommon enough to be any kind of evidence for a conspiracy. If you need something to be a 50% chance to even be considered plausible then I don't know what to tell you. Keep on thinking free, free thinker.

I'll leave this right here, my friend:

https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/drill-site-activation-call-down-exercise-plan_a.pdf

• It is an edited version of this and converted to PDF: http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dph/emergency-prep/dispensing-site-kit/drill-site-activation-call-down-exercise-plan.doc

• Email for Agency Point of Contact has a typo in it. Should be ct.gov not ct.gove

Gracias, amigo.

you might also enjoy this, my brother:

http://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/course_18_-_tale_of_two_cities_and_the_running_of_a_planned_mass_casualty_event_-_serino_richard.pdf

I know that one well. ; )

right on!

As much as I loathe government and totally think that most people in government power are either bad people which is why they want the power or become bad people once they have the power...I do tend to laugh at the "conspiracy" folks for a couple reasons.

1. government is incompetent in everything, except when pulling off grand scale conspiracies involving thousands of people and costing billions of dollars all in front of the watching eye of the public. Then everything is flawless.

2. What isn't a conspiracy? When was the last "big thing" that wasn't a conspiracy? When was the last bombing or mass shooting or terrorist attack or major outbreak of disease that wasn't a conspiracy? It seems like nothing bad ever happens without the US government making it happen, and no on ever goes on mass killing sprees without someone making them do it.

A typically retarded coincidence theorist response. Yet another "drill" coincides with a terrorist(TM) event, and, oh, it's just a coincidence.

Like this copied from this much more informative page here

63 Drills Since 93 – Where the Drill and Reality Were ‘Coincidently’ Identical

4/18/2013 Terrorist type = Explosion Dead 35 Wounded 70 Waco, United States Terrorist drill = type Mass Casualty

4/15/2013 Terrorist type = Multiple Bombings Dead 2 Wounded 200 Boston, United States Terrorist drill = Terrorist Bombing Exercise

12/14/2012 Terrorist type = Shooting Dead 28 Wounded 2 Newtown, United States Terrorist drill = Mass Shooter Exercise

10/21/2012 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 28 Tel Aviv,Israel Terrorist drill = Bus Bombing

8/19/2012 Terrorist type = Suicide Bombing Dead 7 Wounded 15 Ingushetia, Russia Terrorist drill = Bombing

7/20/2012 Terrorist type = Shooting Dead 12 Wounded 58 Aurora, United States Terrorist drill = Mass Shooter Exercise

2/13/2012 Terrorist type = Car Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 4 New Delhi, India Car Terrorist drill = Bombing

12/13/2011 Terrorist type = Murder-Suicide Dead 6 Wounded 125 Liege, Belgium Terrorist drill = Hostage Exercise in nearby neighborhood.

8/25/2011 Terrorist type = Fire Attack – Fuel and Grenade Dead 55 Wounded 10 Monterrey, Mexico Terrorist drill = Mexican troops and Federal Police were evacuated from the area of the attack 6 hours prior to attack.

8/18/2011 Terrorist type = Ambush, Shooting, Bombing Dead 17 Wounded 40 Beer Sheva, Israel Terrorist drill = Multiple Attacks on Military Units

7/13/2011 Terrorist type = Bombings Dead 20 Wounded 130 Mumbai, India Terrorist drill = Multiple Bombings

5/3/2011 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 11 Wounded 40 Lohardaga, India Terrorist drill = Police Training Exercise

4/9/2011 Terrorist type = Attempted Assassination Dead 6 Wounded 17 Alphen aan den Rijn, Netherlands Terrorist drill = Active Shooter

11/26/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Portland, Oregon Terrorist drill = FBI Sting Operation

9/10/2010 Terrorist type = Alleged Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 1 Copenhagen, Denmark Terrorist drill = Police Training Exercise

8/14/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 3 Lurgan, Northern Ireland Terrorist drill = Bombing/Evacuation

8/10/2010 Terrorist type = Car Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Cookstown, Northern Ireland Terrorist drill = Bombing/Evacuation

8/3/2010 Terrorist type = Car Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Derry Northern, Ireland Terrorist drill = Bombing/Evacuation

6/22/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Attempt/Arson Dead 0 Wounded 0 Keady, Ireland Terrorist drill = Army Exercise

6/15/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 1 Wounded 3 Simak Province, Turkey Terrorist drill = Turkish Military Training Exercise

5/18/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Ottawa, Canada Terrorist drill = Evacuation

3/29/2010 Terrorist type = Suicide Bombing Dead 40 Wounded 100 Moscow, Russia Terrorist drill = Terrorist Bombing

2/24/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Vitoria, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation Exercise

2/13/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 16 Wounded 60 Pune, India Terrorist drill = Bombing in Tourist Area

1/6/2010 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Athens, Greece Terrorist drill = Evacuation

12/26/2009 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 3 Detroit, United States Terrorist drill = Official Bomb Squad Drill

7/30/2009 Terrorist type = Car Bombing Dead 2 Wounded 3 Calvia, Spain Terrorist drill = Guardia Civil Training

7/22/2009 Terrorist type = Car Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 65 Burgos, Spain Terrorist drill = Guardia Civil Training

7/7/2009 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Durango, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation Exercise

5/25/2009 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 New York City, United States Terrorist drill = Police Bomb Squad Exercise

3/18/2009 Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Athens, Greece Terrorist drill = Deputy Kyriakos Mitsotakis Evacuated

1/17/2009 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Hernani, Spain Terrorist drill = Police Training Exercise

11/24/2008 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 18 Wounded 6 Baghdad, Iraq Terrorist drill = Iraq Trade Ministry Training

11/10/2008 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 2 Wounded 3 South Ossetia. Georgia Terrorist drill = EU Monitoring Mission Exercise

2/4/2008 Terrorist type = Suicide Bombing Dead 1 Wounded 9 Dimona, Israel Terrorist drill = Unknown Military Exercise

12/24/2007 Terrorist type = Attempted Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Istanbul, Turkey Terrorist drill = Unknown Sting Operation

5/21/2007 Terrorist type = Attempted Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Lynchburg, United States Terrorist drill = Unknown Sting Operation

3/3/2007 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 5 Wounded 0 Neiva, Columbia Terrorist drill = Bomb Squad Training

12/22/2006 Terrorist type = General Attack Dead 0 Wounded 0 Illinois Shopping Mall, United States Terrorist drill = Sting Exercise

8/10/2006 Terrorist type = Attempted Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom Terrorist drill = Sting Exercise

7/31/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Dortmund, Germany Terrorist drill = Sting Exercise

7/11/2006 Terrorist type = Multiple Bombings Dead 209 Wounded 417 Mumbai, India Terrorist drill = Multiple Bombing Exercises

4/17/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 11 Wounded 70 Tel Aviv, Israel Terrorist drill = IDF Bomb Squad Training Exercise

3/7/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 1 Santoria, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

2/28/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Mutriku, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

2/27/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 1 Mungia, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

2/16/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Trapagaran, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

2/14/2006 Terrorist type = Car Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Northern Spain, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

1/29/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 1 Santutxu, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

1/26/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Etxebarri, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

1/24/2006 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 0 Nanclares de la Oca, Spain Terrorist drill = Evacuation

7/21/2005 Terrorist type = Multiple Bombings Dead 0 Wounded 0 London, United Kingdom Terrorist drill = Bombing

7/7/2005 Terrorist type = Multiple Bombings Dead 52 Wounded 700 London, United Kingdom Terrorist drill = Bus Bombing

12/6/2004 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 2 Santillana del Mar, Spain Terrorist drill = Training

11/25/2004 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 1 Wounded 4 Oismae, Estonia Terrorist drill = Police Training

10/8/2004 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 10 Paris, France Terrorist drill = Embassy Bombings

6/24/2004 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 4 Wounded 15 Istanbul, Turkey Terrorist drill = Bus Bombing Exercise

4/28/2004 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 0 Wounded 10 Kashmir, India Terrorist drill = Military Training Exercise

2/6/2004 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 40 Wounded 122 Moscow, Russia Terrorist drill = Bombing Exercise

5/12/2003 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 59 Wounded 0 Znamenskoye, Chechnya Terrorist drill = Russian Military Training

9/11/2001 Terrorist type = Coordinated Terrorist Attack Dead 2973 Wounded 10000 New York City, United States Terrorist drill = Training Drill – Multiple Exercises

4/19/1995 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 168 Wounded 680 Oklahoma City, United States Terrorist drill = Terrorist Bombing Exercise

2/26/1993 Terrorist type = Bombing Dead 6 Wounded 1042 New York City, United States Terrorist drill = FBI Sting Operation

yipee, a block of unexplained text. Well color me convinced.

It's not exactly super explanative, but it's not wrong.

You can't understand this?!

I gave a link to the source and a title. What do you want, a colo(u)ring in book?

The government and the bureaucracy are two different things... when an individual needs something done, a permit, or whatever, and face incompetent workers and get the runaround, that is the bureaucracy, the part we have to deal with. There the is the government we don't see, organized, powerful. But no one deals with that part on a daily basis... well, none of the regular citizenry. That part of the government is a well oiled machine. That part is quasi military, uniform, rigid, it has goals. That part could get it's ass in gear and make some shady shit happen right quick. The DMV cannot.

Cog members

most people in government power are either bad people which is why they want the power or become bad people once they have the power...I do tend to laugh at the "conspiracy" folks for a couple reasons.

Which is it? People with power are evil and do evil things to keep power or they don't do evil things to keep power?

Whether you're aware of it or not, you've just displayed cognitive dissonance, otherwise known as doublethink.

What he said is not an example of CD. You are basically putting words in his mouth.

"Government is evil but they don't do evil things" is CD writ large.

He said the people who make up the government are evil, but that the government sucks at doing everything. So even though they are evil, they are incompetent to the point of making conspiracies almost impossible to pull off. Sure the CIA is great at criminal conspiracies, but even they get found out eventually. I doubt a Seattle police department has the ability to kill a couple kids and have literally no one find out about it.

Government is very good at one thing: keeping their jobs no matter how much they fuck up. It's also very good at something else: lying to us, day in, day out.

It's a good thing for government that most people suspend critical thinking.

I find it sad because you lack display a gross lack of any critical thinking skills in all of your posts. A kid shot some other kids at his school. This is an easy thing to happen. You don't have an open mind, you have an empty one...allowing anything in instead of having a filter for reality.

The same critique has been thrown at people looking into 9/11. It doesn't work so perhaps you might try another tactic.

no, I haven't. Either they are already bad when they get into government, or being in government makes them bad.

it's pretty clear.

A false flag is just one example of bad people in government.

Which false flag? Venezuela? Libya?

I looked all over to find a cached version of this site but could not. The closeest I could find was this start page search result. I also uploeaded an Imgur link of what I saw. Still unable to see the actual page so far.

I dunno what this means, but the Wayback Machine says its cache was updated today, after 3 1/2 months of inactivity:

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.msvl.k12.wa.us/

screenshot

Yeah, but they missed the subtext caching, I took this screenshot just a couple minutes ago.

http://i.imgur.com/6QYaT27.jpg

"Government could never pull off a big conspiracy -- they're too incompetent!"

Well yeah..

Best straw man argument ever.

"They couldn't pull off 9/11 there would be too many people involved! There would be Whistleblowers!"

Well, yeah, there are whistle blowers, lots of them.

"Shut up conspiracy theorist"

Is there a full copy showing the drill was planned at the same school?

I don't know if someone has a shot of that, but that is the same schools website, unless that isn't enough evidence for you.

That's the school district website, not the high school's website. So no, that's not enough evidence for me.

Edit: This chap has the picture, and my hesitance is proven right.

Would just like to say how disrespectful posts like these are. Contrary to what you may think, not everything bad that happens in the world is a conspiracy. There are well over 10 first-hand accounts of what went on in that school & inside that cafeteria, all having the same general story of what happened. Hell, I've followed one of the kids who witnessed it on Twitter for years, you're going to tell me that he's a damn liar? Social media has definitely not helped your guys' cause, when there's multiple people at an event & all see the same thing. But hell, sure, gotta be the damn government pushing their agenda, right? Get real. Life happens sometimes. People do unthinkable things, & have done it since the beginning of mankind.

Let the downvotes fall, because sometimes common sense just sucks, amirite?

October 24, 2014, 2:05pm

Earlier today, Marysville Pilchuck High School was placed in lock down following an emergency situation. Police and emergency services responded and are now directing from their command center along with assistance from Marysville School District staff. We are actively working with law enforcement in identifying students and getting them home safely. A student reunification center is located at the corner of 116th and 51st Street at the Shoultes Community Church. Support services for students and families are also available at this location. All after school events have been cancelled district-wide. This is an active police investigation. All media calls are being directed to local law enforcement. Additional information will be released as it becomes available. We want to extend our thoughts and prayers to the families involved in this tragedy. When something happens to one of our children, it happens to all of us. We are working closely with law enforcement. Our thoughts are with all students, families, staff, and our communities during this time.

Straight from the horses mouth. Also google searches aren't sources. Look at this. Obama is a reptile

Also schools are closed when they do SWAT training, like on weekends or during the summer. So are you now implying that the police had someone shoot up a school with real ammo(as opposed to the paintball-esq training ammo they use) just so they could practice on someone other than themselves? Around children? Or they are willing to kill eachother and themselves for a training(real ammo)? I mean the police have confirmed that students are on their way to the hospital so....

Not saying you're wrong, but curious as to asking if swat exercises are done usually on the weekends

so a bunch of reposts of an easily faked screenshot, that could have easily been produced in photoshop in 2 minutes gets you all in a tizzy...

The announcement wasn't removed it never existed in the first place, the announcement is a fake to troll the conspiracy folks...

congratulations on being easy targets

So you're saying someone engaged in a conspiracy.

Do you use logic much?

So you're saying someone engaged in a conspiracy.

Do you use logic much?

ummm no what I'm saying is someone with a computer and a few minutes of free time is trolling your ass

Click the google link and see for yerself, brah.

Google cleared the link. Screenshot is saved, thankfully.

Its still there but is now #2 on the list.

Thanks.

See this also:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72FDUGKlfJg

That's crazy man. I don't necessarily take it as a false flag but it would be great if the media actually followed up on it and you know, did some real journalism. It'd be cool to know what the rest of the notice said.

It actually does look like a legit notice, unless someone was able to modify google results (unlikely). But it's not even close to a conspiracy. It's common for swat teams to run drills.

https://www.google.com/search?q=msvl.k12.wa.us%20swat

If you enter that search string, it will bring up the school districts website because you're entering enough keywords for a hit. The full is October 23... shows up under that link because of the 7 other "similar" pages that are exact hits, from forums reposting the picture. Takes a little bit of knowledge about constructing the search string but, yeah, it's fake.

I'm not sure what you mean, but that's a legit search showing legit hits from the www.msvl.k12.wa.us website. Google doesn't show you cached hits from a website where the hits never existed on that website, it doesn't work that way. It's not a conspiracy, but its a legit notice. There was also someone on the news who had started to read the notice and then figured out it was from yesterday, so its not just some photoshop job.

link the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FDUGKlfJg

Nice! thank you.

Sounds like you're trolling yourself.

And, of course, there is a gun rights bill on the ballot in 2 weeks. Just another coincidence.

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I don't think this is part of any conspiracy. Only 2 kids were killed - one was the gunman. There are, according to CNN's sources, 2,500 kids who attend that school - meaning there are probably many accounts of what happened. There have already been witnesses saying they knew it was the suspect Jaylen when they saw him.

Not everything like this is a conspiracy. Things happen. Columbine was definitely real because we have video evidence of it - and that is one of the biggest cases of mass shootings in U.S. history; a case that everyone focuses on.

Why would they schedule an event before a false flag? I don't understand the advantage besides maybe giving a cover for why there are so many operatives in the area. Besides that it is a bad practice because it builds a trend that people can figure out.

I wonder if this shooter was on antidepressants too? If he was, then he was no different than all the other school shooters. If there is any conspiracy about these shootings it's the fact all the school shooters were taking those drugs but it's the one aspect and commonality the MSM never explores.

Zoloft is very common. Linked with aggression.

Why would they do this though?

Cached copy or Internet wayback machine Version available?

Nope. I looked.

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I noticed also. It's getting gamed like a mofo.

Something is seriously wrong here OP. Thanks for the good work.

The fact they removed the information is a sure giveaway they are trying to hide the fact this is a false flag

Maybe the Sandy Hoax'ers aren't so crazy after all......

Is it disrespectful to question why these events of the past week have all happened a week before elections. The news has been talking about an "October surprise" which will hurt incumbents. The validity of a news story isn't what I question, but more so the spin that is used to turn a crazed lone gunmen into even more privacy invasion for the standard citizen. Mental health is the theme of the week, but its going to turn into terrorism/gun safety/jihadist/Isis and Ebola. At the end of the day though, mental health is still the nucleus of most of the news we hear.

Another YouTuber noticed as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGfsXcZsr4

Recent change log: http://www.msvl.k12.wa.us/system/app/pages/recentChanges

screenshot

So it looks like "Web Admin" changed the page. I wonder who Web Admin is? Surely they are a suspect or at least a lead. Maybe somebody in the Technology department would know...

What?! Someone at the school has been updating the school's webpage in an effort to provide up to date information on a shooting at the school!? SHOCKING.

No, silly, they updated the web page to conceal the fact that they were running a SWAT drill.

Hmmm

I am from around these parts... watching the news on CNN during lunch break I immediately thought something was up with the conversation on CNN's Terror Watch USA (what I call it). News person asks how the "kid" on the phone giving his first person account of the incident sounds so calm and acts like nothing happened. Kid responds with that is just how I am and have always been. ..... sure buddy.

Hoax.

/s right?

How insensitive can you people get?

I know. I'm always hurting the feelings of government officials and others that get a paycheck from the public dime.

This has NOTHING to do with the government. There is no conspiracy. Shove that false flag up your ass and be respectful to the victims. Judging by the Twitter posts of the students who attend that school, the gunman was a kid going through personal problems and simply snapped. Think about the friends and families impacted by today's events. Not everything is a false flag.

The police are part of the government.

A request to be sensitive from someone engaging in abusive discourse is amusing. Thanks for the chuckle.

What does this have to do with the police? This is an unfortunate tragedy, nothing to do with conspiracies and false flags.

The police were directing the drill that went live. The police are part of government.

Who trusts government to tell the truth, especially in a burgeoning police state?

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I believe you've just committed a logical fallacy. Your argument is undermined.

The comment is deleted. What was said?

They resorted to name calling.

You were immediately down voted. That means something, IMO.

Any time there is an election /r/politics gets an upswing in traffic because people want to talk about it.

Any time there is a World Series game /r/mlb gets an upswing in traffic because people want to talk about it.

Any time there is any mass killing or terrorist attack or disease or other tragic national news story, /r/conspiracy gets an upswing in traffic because people here want to discuss it and people who aren't here want to watch the earnestness of the members here.

it's pretty rational.

Most definitely. /r/conspiratard is already having a lark about this.

It must be so blissful in world where you automatically force yourself to believe the official narrative of every. single. event.

As opposed to how everyone here doesn't believe anything ever.

Does our lack of faith disturb you?

Mine is at -7. Pretty impressive.

They're afflicted with cognitive dissonance on such a large scale that I can only have compassion for them. We've all been victims of the conditioning at some point in our lives. It does induce suffering and psychic pain.

The more honest posts on this sub are from people trying to find their way out of that suffering.

I get down voted all the time. I'm used to it.

Sometimes you have to be brave because the majority can be wrong. Sometimes you should realize you are wrong because everyone disagrees with you. In this case, you aren't being brave, you are being foolish. Take a look at the downvotes in this case and reflect on how you are paranoid.

Take a look at the downvotes...

This post is up near the top of the subreddit.

/u/americandreamsicle: This post is up near the top of the subreddit.

To be perfectly honest, so what?

Votes are not indicative of truth. Not sure why /u/brkello thinks so.

/u/brkello Sometimes ...you are wrong because everyone disagrees with you.

That doesn't make one wrong. Just tell that to Galileo.

reflect on how you are paranoid.

Just highlighting this attack on your character /u/americandreamsicle.

Character attacks are indicative of lack of an argument. They didn't disappoint. : )

It makes no difference. The announcement of a drill was removed and now the announcement of an emergency is on the school's site.

The close proximity of the events is a bit difficult to relegate to coincidence theory.

I assume nothing. I certainly don't assume that government is honest.

We all have to make our own decisions with the information as we find it. I'm just presenting what I found. What you decide to do with it is up to you.

He said the people who make up the government are evil, but that the government sucks at doing everything. So even though they are evil, they are incompetent to the point of making conspiracies almost impossible to pull off. Sure the CIA is great at criminal conspiracies, but even they get found out eventually. I doubt a Seattle police department has the ability to kill a couple kids and have literally no one find out about it.

Read this and get back to me:

https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/drill-site-activation-call-down-exercise-plan_a.pdf

Do you assume that government is an honest business?

That's a leap too many take.

I know. I'm always hurting the feelings of government officials and others that get a paycheck from the public dime.

So you're saying someone engaged in a conspiracy.

Do you use logic much?

So you're saying someone engaged in a conspiracy.

Do you use logic much?

ummm no what I'm saying is someone with a computer and a few minutes of free time is trolling your ass

Yeah, and what about when 9 out of 10 people would rather keep their head in the sand and just pretend the world is perfect and that the government is honest and takes care of them (even though an overwhelming amount of hard evidence indicates otherwise)

I see it as win-win: if he's for real, then I can engage him and maybe edge him out of his comfort zone enough so that his opinion might change down the road.

If he's a shill engaging in personal attacks for no other reason but to derail, then I can engage him reasonably and the fence-sitters that might run across the thread can see who the reasonable mind is: the one not engaging in personal attacks.

Win-win. : )