The hope is that there are more resources now for the public to reference.

When Kennedy was killed, we has radio, TV, and news papers. There's 1 grainy video in existence.

For 911, there are videos from multiple angles (some decent quality), pictures, and interviews from the event itself and just moments after.

Tldr; we have far more information available this time around.

Little bit more than 1 grainy video...

For a big chunk of my youth all we had was ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS and then the local newspaper. I think we had a little bit better education system and curriculum than kids do now, and we were not as drugged with medications.

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I know you are trying to keep up, so I will just give you a chance to read things again and downvote yourself once you catch up.

Still not getting it, mind driving your point through my thick skull instead?

I know when a problem is no longer mine to solve, I think this is where I get off and just move on to something else.

there were a ton of witnesses to the Kennedy Assassination. and their story almost always contradicts the official thread - check out the JFK documentary on Netflix I'll come back to tell you the name

edit: the documentary is JFK: The Smoking Gun

Actually that's not true at all.

The vast majority of witnesses heard 3 shots or less.

The vast majority of witnesses said all the shots came from a single direction.

The majority of witnesses identified the depository as the source of the shots.

Very few people actually saw the gunman, but the ones that did pointed at (or near) the 6th floor depository window and identified a man who looked a lot like Oswald.

5 people picked Oswald out of a police lineup as the man that shot JD Tippett.

Not even close.

What about my previous post was incorrect?

I feel like I'm spamming reposts, but I addressed this issue yesterday about how we will never really know the truth about these things here: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kso5h/never_forget_after_a_packedfull_chinook_with_no/closi48?context=3

The truth is that you don't know and you will never know. The problem is that because of the way the CIA operates, they confuse every issue with lies. They justify this under the name of "national security", but the effect is that we are now a nation full of people that are being lied and propagandized to constantly.

So when we have an "election", how valid are the results? We don't ever hear any discussion about foreign policy. We don't get to vote on whether or not the CIA overthrows governments for their friends in the oil industry. We are not informed about any of this. If we try to base our "vote" on what we are told by our government, then we are operating from a completely faulty set of facts.

I think there is a reason why I think of this quote:

"We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." – William Casey, CIA Director 1981

We are not in control. If our own government is working against the citizens to intentionally keep them misinformed about world events, then can we really say that we have a democracy when the voters are creating opinions based on complete lies?

Make no mistake about it... all of the major networks are here to confuse and divide the public and propagandize in order to drive public opinion. So when you hear the name "national security" come up, remember that excuse was created in order to "legally" justify every single immoral and evil act that those individuals who hide behind government do.

Why haven't "The People" been able to change anything? It's the question that has dogged me for years now. I mean what is the MAIN reason why people are allowing their culture to be such a lie?

You can answer this question for yourself.

Here is what we think happens when there is a coup by a group of people (only 20 seconds, watch it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8hUyHUz88

So let's suppose that there were a coup in a country, but it was never announced?

That is an amazingly well written and hard hitting comment. When we're fed nothing but lies all our lives, we reject the truth because it sounds preposterous

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We have much more clear evidence in the case of 9/11 and we live in the information age thanks to the inception of the internet!!

..and so far it has changed...what? 9/11 truth is still relegated to the same fringe as JFK Assassination still is.

We have had 13 years of 9/11 evidence being clearly available and yet here we are, in the same place as JFK truth.

That's just why I think we have a better chance this time around.

Compare the warren commission to the 9/11 commission/nist reports.

The people have challenged NIST and got them to change their report a few times. THis is far more than anyone did regarding JFK.

Information and media has kind of has turned into a bigger haystack than it used to be too.

The thing is, we do know what happened on 11/22 and 9/11. We don't know every detail, but we know more than enough, and we have enough evidence to convince the average person if they're willing to take a look at it. The question now is not "how do we prove it?" but "what do we do about it now that we know?".

This is it. We do know what happened on 11/22 and 9/11.

The useful information to us is what the tiny details reveal about the world we live in: What didn't happen on those days, but what we can see was prepared to happen: the Pentagon was prepared for WW3 on those days in case things didn't go as planned. Certain people were safekept, others were not. Certain information made it into the press, then was quickly forgotten. Certain patterns can be discerned. Certain parameters can be discerned.

Imagine we're all blind, living in a silent world in the dark. Suddenly there's an audible event. That sound, through echolocation, tells us volumes of information about the size & shape of the room. Even the information we're told (which contradicts what we know from our senses) tells us revelations.

the Pentagon was prepared for WW3 on those days in case things didn't go as planned

Any info on this? Would love to read about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Guardian#Global_Guardian_and_the_September_11_Attacks

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a830globalguardian#a830globalguardian

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a800andrewsexercises#a800andrewsexercises

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a900offutt

http://www.correntewire.com/if_9_11_01_was_a_surprise_why_was_the_e4b_over_dc

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-doomsday-project-and-deep-events-jfk-watergate-iran-contra-and-9-11/27806

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012/05/stranger-missing-code-books.html

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb406/

911 will be exactly the same as the JFK assassination. A lot of people still believe that a single bullet hit JFK in the back, bounced around, and then hit him in the head. It's ridiculous but imagine how many conspiracy theories existed back before electronics when someone would die or get murdered and you'd just have to take someone's word for it without any evidence whatsoever, it's the way things have always been.

So instead of trying to convince old people to change what they think, make sure the young generation coming up is exposed to these ideas as early as possible, before indoctrination has ossified the mind. It's possible that in 100 years, people look back and say, "Can you believe people thought that 19 poor muslims were able to pull off 911? They were so brainwashed."

As Socrates said, "The key to change is not to tear down the old, it's to focus completely on building the new".

If we still don't know the truth of the JFK Assassination after all this time why does anyone think we will know the whole truth behind 9/11?

because wide-spread use of personal cameras didn't exist in 1963

Why will 9/11 Truth be different and amount to something thing more than another aspect of the Conspiracy cottage industry?

because the internet didn't exist in 1963

So, with all the new technology we have had at our disposal when 9/11 happened why has 9/11 truth not managed to get to the next level of investigation? Why is 9/11 still relegated to the fringe as JFK Assassination truth still is?

If the truth is not acknowledged as the truth, and if people who want to tell the truth are referred to in the most Orwellian terms (such as being "A Truther") then, even after 13 years, 9/11 still has not managed to become nothing more than a different aspect of the same Conspiracy industry, what hope is there?

Will the next 13 years of 9/11 truth change anything?

Because it's easily argued things have become much worse since the PATRIOT Act. (The real "Act" of terrorism and the real endgame)

Im new to this subreddit but strongly believe that most of the "Attacks" and "Terror attacks" against the US is self inflicted and a ploy for something.

With that being said, if we find out the truth about the JFK assassination will that change anything?

Same question for 9/11. Even if the truth is released don't you think there is a plan to keep americans locked up so they are unable to do anything against the state?(Like deploy military/secret service so that the people cannot get an upper hand on the gov't)

Do you think that other countries or groups like the UN will go against USA?

Sad thing is even when and or if they release the records showing what happened none of it will be correct. They will all be forged no one would trust the government to tell the truth. We will truly never know what happened in some of the greatest mysteries.

"All the forces in the world are not so powerful as an idea whose time has come."

~ Victor Hugo

Why will the 9/11 Truth be any different...

We won't know unless we try.

The Internet.

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I wonder who they could have worked for? That's always the interesting discussion to have.

We probably won't, at least not in our lifetimes.

However, we have entered Aquarius, where the lies of the Piscean age are washed away and the waters of Truth will reveal everything that's been occulted.

Ya know, if you believe in that sort of thing.

I am starting to believe that it's going to be up to aliens to give us an evolutionary nudge, because us humans don't appear to be getting the job done.

lol

If only it were that easy. I think, if we're to be saved, we're the ones who need to do the saving.

This is not an Apple. The evidence is clear as day that lies hold the 'facts' together.

I think it's possible because they really blew it on 9/11. WTC7 had to go down without a plane hitting it, shanksville was obvious, the pentagon was obvious... I think there is enough info out there to bust them.

The simple answer is that every conspiracy has different perpetrators, and a different achilles heel. It's up to people like us to keep chipping away at the facade until a breakthrough is made.

Let me tell you a stark truth. What actually went down on 9/11 will probably never be known (in its entirety). This doesn't actually matter - what matters is that a tipping-point majority understands that the government has been peddling a pack of lies. At that point, we have a chance of building a better future.

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You sound like the Singapore Airlines brochure about Singapore:

"There is no corruption in Singapore."

Not only will you not know the truth, but the people that you consider to be responsible will never be brought to any kind of justice. Even if the majority of the American people come to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, there will never be sufficient evidence to convict anyone of anything in a court of law. Assuming that someone other than muslim extremists were behind the crime, those responsible have had ample time to destroy evidence and silence witnesses. No amount of "truth" will change that.

It must be difficult to be a conspiracy theorist. You'll probably never know the truth about so many things, and by the time you do it'll be too late to get any justice.

I won't deny the sense of frustration involved in all of this, but to be a blind apologist, turning blind eyes to the edicts and lies of The Authority and throwing sand in the eyes of those who speak truth to and about power?

I guess I'll always go with seeking the truth rather than living that lie.

We do know the truth behind the JFK Assassination. Oswald killed Kennedy. It's the boring answer, but it's the right one. They had this "mystery" figured out about an hour after JFK went cold.

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