9/11 is more obvious, but it's all related. Look into 9/11, figure out what happened -- it's not all that difficult -- and consider the implications.

You will be frightened by what you find. Just know that A LOT of us know what's going on.

Your actual question has already been answered, but there is a more serious issue. One person (your friend's father) supplies evidence to back up his claim. You have not. Which of you is crazy for holding on to your view?

People in power will always attempt to marginalize those who speak out. Even if, somehow, it turns out that Sandy Hook did happen, he would not be nuts, because his reasons for disbelief are valid and supported by documented information.

Even if, somehow, it turns out that Sandy Hook did happen, he would not be nuts, because his reasons for disbelief are valid and supported by documented information.

Yeah, but then if Sandy Hook did happen, then wouldn't his information be fraudulent?

There are many ways that could happen though. It could have been a simple clerical error by someone maintaining the fbi.gov site. In that case, he is still citing official documentation that supports his claim.

My point is that you are focusing on whether you would rather think yourself a sheep or him nuts, when that is not the issue. It only distracts you from considering the facts with as little cognitive bias as possible.

Imo, the most obvious false flag stunt of all time. No kids died that day. Go watch a few youtube videos.

And once you're comfortable with gene rosens role in the thing, watch 'gene rosen audition' or whatever its called, to see him practising his lines. Its hilarious.

No kids died that day.

Wow! It looks like that's true. Some of those kids who "died" were at the Super Bowl. Holy shit!

So, what can I do about this?

EDIT: What about the "teachers" who were "shot?" Were they also actors?

Well, aside from the superbowl thing, which is questionable, look at some oddities. The kids looping around a firehouse video, police not being able to decide what kind of gun he used, police kind of waiting thinga out, the car he used being registered to another individual, Robbie Parker(?) and his families creepy fake photos, Adam Lanza not existing, the list goes on and on. If you honestly can't find links to this info using these keywords on google then let me know and I'll link you.

You can basically stay quiet about it, otherwise people think you're crazy :(

Sad truth.

I start talking to people about it after I have known them a while, so they know I'm reasonably intelligent and not some loony. Get them to watch one of the good videos on the subject and they instantly see that you're telling the truth. This then leads them to start questioning other events and doing their own research.

Ignore the whole superbowl thing - it's a massive red herring.

But Sandy Hook WAS a political hoax involving a number of US government agencies, actors and and corrupt officials within Newtown and Connecticut State medical/police services. Local and national media were also involved in the hoax.

The "victims" were fictional protagonists - no birth or death certificates exist for any of them. They were created using photoshopped images of real children and given a back story and a "family" to make them appear real. The "crazed gunman" Adam Lanza was a real person, but he changed his name to Ryan (ostensibly his brother, but for whom no birth certificate exists) leaving a ghost identity that the organisers were able to use as the killer.

This hoax demonstrates the level of corruption that exists in the United States government, from the President down. It also shows just how far the mainstream media colludes with government.

The "victims" were fictional protagonists - no birth or death certificates exist for any of them

Sorry, this is an invalid claim. Here's one, for starters:

http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/05/noah-pozner-death-certificate-released.html

There's also this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/sandy-hook-elementary-school-massacre-death-certificates-released-article-1.1376084

"All but two of the 26 students and staffers massacred in at Sandy Hook Elementary School died from “multiple gunshot wounds,” according to death certificates released Tuesday. The death certificates were made public through the Freedom of Information Act after the Newtown Clerk’s Office refused to give them up, citing privacy for the victims’ families."

Claiming "no death certificates exist" is simply not true.

Ah yes, the Pozner jpeg of a "death certificate" with multiple fonts and forged signatures, with exif data scrubbed, posted by one of the Sandy Hook fraudsters. Are you serious?

Ah, so you go from "no death certificates exist" to "Well, they exist, but I'm going to make an unproven allegation of fraud and try to wish them away." Fetzer's fraud claim has been debunked to any reasonable standard:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/james-fetzer-claims-lenny-pozner-forged-death-certificate.4410/

Unless, of course, the NY Daily News also fabricated all their death certificates? Guess that entire organization must be in on it too! How many thousands of people is that now involved?

A fake certificate is the same as no certificate, you muppet.

Every Sandy Hook thread seems to have a blowhard like you. New account, no credentials, zombie-like apologist for the official narrative, IQ of a dessicated slug, bleeding heart, shill me a river, my cousin was a first responder, won't you think of the children?

LOL zzzzzzzz.

And entirely unsubstantiated allegations of fraud are utterly worthless. So, let's be clear: you are now claiming the NY Daily News fabricated all their certificates too?

Every Sandy Hook thread seems to have a blowhard like you: when the facts don't fit the theory, it's the facts that are rejected. And when their claims are shot down, they turn to feeble ad hominem attacks and "shill" accusations, because they don't have any other answer. It just proves the utter weakness of the case.

You can order a copy of a death certificate yourself for 20 bucks. But if you did, and inevitably it looked exactly like the one online, you're just going to say the department issuing the death certificates is in on the conspiracy.

Just thought I'd help you move a few steps along the path.

Might I suggest some excellent YouTube channels?

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Please do.

9/11 was the most obvious, IMO.

Neck-and-neck with Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook is definitely in the top 3, though.

It was a total sham. Look into Sophia Smallstrom. She explains all aspects of the false attack/gun grab attempt.

Here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gOiwDafMCbU

I am going to state something that everyone in r/conspiracy has a problem admitting to themselves. Every conspiracy theory out there lacks in direct concrete evidence that you can see and make a definite decision from. If there was evidence that good for any of these theories then they would no longer be theories they would be facts.

With that being said in most every theory there pieces of evidence that are credible enough to make people begin questioning the situation. This is what creates the theories in the first place. Without these weird things going on people would likely never create the conspiracy theory in the first place. As for sandy hook one of the first ''weird things'' was the father smiling and laughing while thinking he was off camera then getting himself all choked up and preparing to act emotional once the cameras start rolling. To anyone's common sense that was a huge red flag seeing as how his child had just recently been murdered. Things like that begin the theory and people dig everything they can out and grasp at anything that is out of place. People truly are trying to get at the truth but sometimes their bias mentality blinds us a bit around here.

Overall I will simply say that keep an open mind but don't come to many definite decisions about what you see researching these things because once you ''decide'' on something then you have linked your own defense mechanisms to that decision. It can blind you to anything trying to counter your decision because you have now tie emotions to it.

I myself believe that most all of these theories have good work put into them and good evidence supporting them but not good enough evidence that I make a decision.

there pieces of evidence that are credible enough to make people begin questioning the situation. This is what creates the theories in the first place.

I disagree with this. As far as I can tell, most conspiracy theories are created INSTANTLY after the event. No wait for facts or investigation or evidence. What "creates the theory" is the desire to support some pre-existing conclusion (usually "govt is evil" or "corps are evil" or something). The theory is just an attempt to create "facts" to support the desired conclusion.

It can go both ways but for people truly looking for the truth it goes the way I described.

I am going to state something that everyone in r/conspiracy has a problem admitting to themselves. Every conspiracy theory out there lacks in direct concrete evidence that you can see and make a definite decision from. If there was evidence that good for any of these theories then they would no longer be theories they would be facts.

Are you saying the official 9-11 story offers any more clear, concise prove that it was as they said? At least the naysayers show their "evidence". The officials have Pentagon videos, computer models, etc they refuse to show.

This is a debate fallacy. I'm right because you are wrong isn't logical. But this said...no there version lacks a lot of evidence also. Actually it pretty much just doesn't offer anything at all.

Yes, there is more proof of the official story. For example, scores of eyewitness accounts of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Whatever hit the Pentagon flew over a highway at rush hour, lots of people saw it.

Scores of people is more like 25

One and one-quarter scores of peoples!

And I've seen footage of one of them admitting to having lied after his account didn't hold up under factual pressure

Lots of people heard multiple explosions too. How do airplanes make a building go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom? "Proof" is what people are willing to believe.

Seeing a big airliner fly over your head is one thing. Interpreting sounds of a collapse is another. It takes some major mental gymnastics to explain away reports of a jet. Not to mention explaining away all the passengers on that jet. It's an untenable conspiracy theory. If it were more compelling, we would be discussing it on the front page, not on r/conspiracy.

Oh... okay. Thanks for explaining it to me. Guess there wasn't a conspiracy after all. Do you want to tell the rest of the world or should I?

Yes, there is an huge Sandy Hook conspiracy.

You're asking questions so no.

Dream well. Dream great dreams!

Dream well. Dream great dreams!

That's kind of unsettling...

Are you really sure you want to take the red pill? The next few yrs of your life are going to be an adjustment. LuLz*

Are you really sure you want to take the red pill?

Aren't they that misogynist group?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular culture symbols representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red pill) and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill).

Lol yea they are. I meant the matrix pill

Ah! I never saw The Matrix

I think you should watch it. There is a lot of truth in that movie.

Sorry you feel that way.

Perhaps you should just give it a whirl?

The deaths were investigated by the Connecticut State Police, not the Newtown Police Department, so the deaths were reported on another line in the report.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/sandyhoax.asp

Hahahaha snopes!

Why should we believe snopes? Couldn't they be in on it?

Snopes already proved themselves untrustworthy with the anthrax attacks and 9/11. Nothing more than establishment shills now.

snopes were BS merchants in the 90s.

So, checking claims and verifying facts = "establishment shills" now.

It's a common allegation in /r/conspiracy, but there's even less evidence for this than for Sandy Hoax.

It doesn't matter who reports it, look at the source. It links to the Connecticut state documents, look for yourself. The data showing 0 murders was in reference to the local PD of Newtown. Whatever "happened" at sandy hook, it was responded to by state police, which is why its in the state police documentation for the year, not newtown PD's count

I think, we all think, trying to find a conspiracy in sandy hook was a nice idea. I'm not pointing any fingers, but sometimes people just go crazy and shoot a school full of kids

Let the down votes roll in

I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, heck, personally I WANT to believe in a Sandy Hook conspiracy. I don't want to believe that a bunch of innocent kids went to school one day and ended up dead. Please, god, let it have been a false flag. It's no different than 9/11 or Ebola. Nobody wants to believe that terrorists can just hijack planes so easily and kill thousands, or that some terrible disease can run unchecked by modern medicine and we aren't prepared to stop it.

On the other hand, we know now beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracies DO happen. MkUltra. Human experimentation in St. Louis in the 60's. Stuff we never thought was possible really happened.

The internet is a big place. Has anyone ever seen even one person outside of media that has posted about being from Newtown and knowing someone who was killed? If I were from there and it happened to someone I knew, I would be on these posts like white on rice telling people they were wrong. Does anyone here know anyone from the Newtown area? It's impossible that the whole town is in on it, right??

Has anyone ever seen even one person outside of media that has posted about being from Newtown and knowing someone who was killed?

It has kind of died down now. But. About a year ago you couldn't say a word about it without a random shill popping up claiming to be from/know the families and how could we possibly be questioning this? Every.single.time. Like I said, it's not quite as rampant now.

I think, we all think, trying to find a conspiracy in sandy hook was a nice idea.

This is patently false. Who the hell thinks that?

Conspiracy theories evolve out of discrepancies and lies in the official government narrative. The official Sandy Hook story is a tissue of lies - the whole thing was fake.

Go look at a Sandy Hook Exposed Documentary and then make a decision. Pick one that is at least 45 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqu5Yu6AdQY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbG3G1EPPUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9ZxA4MTTM

He's probably not insane. Just gullible, for example.

Incidentally, the deaths were reported, just not in the particular table that people are getting in a flap about.

You can spend days watching videos of people trying to make a case for this conspiracy, and it is an entertaining thought. Yet, it is not logical that so many would be involved in this elaborate scheme, when something like this could have been pulled off easily with one shooter and a select few people behind this ruse. There is no reason to hire thousands of actors and paying off the police, paying off the hospital, and paying off fake witnesses. It lacks logic or reason. They would be taking the path of the most resistance. It would be insanely stupid. The conspiracy theory has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

Some of these conspirators have claimed Tony Hawk, actors from law and order, Mad tv and SNL were apart of this. It is absurd. Now, I do believe there are plenty of conspiracies that are probably mostly accurate, and many parts of history have been, and continue to be covered up, but we have to choose our battles more wisely than this story concerning Sandy Hook.

I'm from ct and know of people who had lost family members in the shooting, I do hold the whole thing under suspect just due with how the police handled it. The fact there was never an AR but it is considered a fact now is what really makes me question the official story

Where is the FBI report? All we have is this one website claiming there are zero murders listed. Anyone should know website numbers aren't always up to date or accurate. Show me the FBI saying it.

yes and yes

So...there is a conspiracy, but it's not this one? Is that what you're saying?

There is a conspiracy and this is it.

Ah. They're just nuts anyway, and I'm a sheep despite coming here to question the official story. Gotcha. Both are true.

google is your friend:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/07/top-ten-reasons-sandy-hook-was-an-elaborate-hoax/

http://www.sandyhookjustice.com/about-us.html

600 kids evacuated where? disgusting.

Check out Wolfgang Halbig. He has some legit questions and has experience in the field

http://www.sandyhookjustice.com/about-us.html

The leaps in logic here are astonishing, jumping straight from misinterpreting a government report to "NO DEATHS AT SANDY HOOK". It's the same leap from an incomplete Newtown real-estate database with $0 entries, ignoring the fact that $0 entries pepper the listing for other cities too, or that transforms a few seconds footage of people running across a parking lot into a SWAT raid.

People will forever join dots to make pretty pictures, but the actual evidence nobody died at Sandy Hook, is about the same for there actually being a giant plow in the sky.

But who turned the giant plow invisible? When? Why? And why do these important questions remain unanswered to this day, ignored by the mainstream media and the "official story" the powers that be would have you believe about the magic sky plow cover-up?

sandy hook is very well known to be a very poorly orchestrated false flag:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/07/top-ten-reasons-sandy-hook-was-an-elaborate-hoax/

http://www.sandyhookjustice.com/about-us.html

problem: Jim Fetzer is a known liar and fraud

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Huh?

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Sure we don't. Piss off. We help everyone requesting further insight and enlightenment. All are welcomed freely to us and the truth. As posted earlier: youtube.com/watch?v=gOiwDafMCbU

Then what is it that YOU are doing here? Randomly insulting people so you can feel superior? There are plenty of other subs for that. If you had done your homework, you'd have something meaningful to post that supported a position, one way or another.

this is so fucked up, i cant believe how emotionally distant you people are from reality. i just went through all the "proof" that i was expecting to convince me. absolutely none of it made any sense unless you put conspiracy theory glasses on and basically want it to be a false flag.

all of these children died and you sick fucks spend so much time in front of a computer that you can't even have an apt emotional response, to draw a conclusion like the ones that i've seen posted on here is just disgusting.

thanks for making me go through and try to analyse people not knowing how to fucking function after an event like this "actors". you people watch too much tv, and you spend way too much time on the internet. go outside and meet people and be a human being, jesus christ.

this is so fucked up, i cant believe how emotionally distant you people are from reality. i just went through all the "proof" that i was expecting to convince me. absolutely none of it made any sense unless you put conspiracy theory glasses on and basically want it to be a false flag.

I think it's pretty obvious you didn't come here to be "convinced".

Nobody comes here to be "convinced". If we wanted that we'd just watch mainstream media. We come here to hash out the truth, however messy that may be. "Sheeple" goes both ways: people who believe the party line and never question it, AND people who believe the conspiracy and never question it. Both are sheeple.

I think you might have missed my point, which was that brelincovers came here to have a bitch and/or shill. If he was really looking for truth I doubt he'd be attacking the regular visitors to this sub (i.e. "you people watch too much tv, and you spend way too much time on the internet. go outside and meet people and be a human being").

I gotcha - wasn't familiar with him or his posting history.

So...there is a conspiracy, but it's not this one? Is that what you're saying?

Well, aside from the superbowl thing, which is questionable, look at some oddities. The kids looping around a firehouse video, police not being able to decide what kind of gun he used, police kind of waiting thinga out, the car he used being registered to another individual, Robbie Parker(?) and his families creepy fake photos, Adam Lanza not existing, the list goes on and on. If you honestly can't find links to this info using these keywords on google then let me know and I'll link you.

Snopes already proved themselves untrustworthy with the anthrax attacks and 9/11. Nothing more than establishment shills now.

You can basically stay quiet about it, otherwise people think you're crazy :(

Sad truth.

I start talking to people about it after I have known them a while, so they know I'm reasonably intelligent and not some loony. Get them to watch one of the good videos on the subject and they instantly see that you're telling the truth. This then leads them to start questioning other events and doing their own research.

Ignore the whole superbowl thing - it's a massive red herring.

But Sandy Hook WAS a political hoax involving a number of US government agencies, actors and and corrupt officials within Newtown and Connecticut State medical/police services. Local and national media were also involved in the hoax.

The "victims" were fictional protagonists - no birth or death certificates exist for any of them. They were created using photoshopped images of real children and given a back story and a "family" to make them appear real. The "crazed gunman" Adam Lanza was a real person, but he changed his name to Ryan (ostensibly his brother, but for whom no birth certificate exists) leaving a ghost identity that the organisers were able to use as the killer.

This hoax demonstrates the level of corruption that exists in the United States government, from the President down. It also shows just how far the mainstream media colludes with government.

I think, we all think, trying to find a conspiracy in sandy hook was a nice idea.

This is patently false. Who the hell thinks that?

Conspiracy theories evolve out of discrepancies and lies in the official government narrative. The official Sandy Hook story is a tissue of lies - the whole thing was fake.

Might I suggest some excellent YouTube channels?

Freeradiorevolutuon Red Pill Revolution peekay22

I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, heck, personally I WANT to believe in a Sandy Hook conspiracy. I don't want to believe that a bunch of innocent kids went to school one day and ended up dead. Please, god, let it have been a false flag. It's no different than 9/11 or Ebola. Nobody wants to believe that terrorists can just hijack planes so easily and kill thousands, or that some terrible disease can run unchecked by modern medicine and we aren't prepared to stop it.

On the other hand, we know now beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracies DO happen. MkUltra. Human experimentation in St. Louis in the 60's. Stuff we never thought was possible really happened.

The internet is a big place. Has anyone ever seen even one person outside of media that has posted about being from Newtown and knowing someone who was killed? If I were from there and it happened to someone I knew, I would be on these posts like white on rice telling people they were wrong. Does anyone here know anyone from the Newtown area? It's impossible that the whole town is in on it, right??

It doesn't matter who reports it, look at the source. It links to the Connecticut state documents, look for yourself. The data showing 0 murders was in reference to the local PD of Newtown. Whatever "happened" at sandy hook, it was responded to by state police, which is why its in the state police documentation for the year, not newtown PD's count