Chemtrails, real or false? Convince me either way. At the moment I'm unsure.

0  2014-11-13 by [deleted]

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Disclaimer: nobody really knows the answer to your question. However, although some will say that chemtrails linger far too long in the upper atmosphere to be regular engine contrails, I'd say that simply isn't true. I boil my argument down to one thing: if the government is spraying an enormous amount of chemical x into the earth's atmosphere, certainly it would be detectable by either scientists or chemtrail theorists. The only evidence available is lingering contrails. That's it, really. So I'd personally say that chemtrails don't exist.

It's always sad to see people take this movie as truth. There's SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed.

such as

The Circulatory System, The Earth Is the Center of the Universe, Dna isnĀ“t important, The atom is the smallest particle in existence, Heavier objects fall faster. Just some of the important ones throughout the history.

that's what the video says?

Isn't there a report in the movie that shows elevated aluminum levels in a "water" sample?

and? is that it?

Is what it?

There's SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed.

Did you just make that up then?

No. Did you read my comment where I asked if that movie had the report with the aluminum found in the "water" sample?

SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed

Still waiting.

Me, too.

Just to be clear, NWOwon made this up and has zero evidence to support his claim.

Made what up?

There's SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed.

Do you disagree?

I have no idea, I haven't watched it, I just provided you an opportunity to defend your statement, which you haven't taken. You would think you would jump at the opportunity to point out the "SO many" scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies, if I didn't know you're just an /r/conspiracy troll.

So I point out that there are scientific inaccuracies (which is a fact I was hoping was more widely known), you ask for some, I ask to confirm that this is indeed the stupid movie with that idiotic "water" test and, instead of confirming or denying, instead of telling me you have no idea, you decide to go off on a tangent about how I'm a troll.

You could have saved a lot of time had you just told me you never saw it.

Regardless, here you go.

Thanks for the link.

Still that isn't enough to make this statement true:

There's SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed.

Why not?

Despite the long article it basically only touched one one aspect, aluminum. Is that really the entire video, complaining about aluminum? I doubt that.

So why haven't the creators of the movie released an acknowledgment of their misrepresentations? How hard is it to say "Whoops! I guess this basic scientific error should have been addressed but we missed it! Our bad!"?

chemtrails are a bit of a cannard if you will look up geoengineering and solar radiation management for the real story behind all those funky trails in the sky...

Chemtrails don't exist. Those are persistent contrails made of ice. Geoengineering is a global term to include various schemes and prosals to alter the atmosphere. However, there is a global ban on large-scale weather modification and only local cloudbbusting and experiments are allowed. None of those geoengineering ideas calls for creating 200-mile long plumes of aluminium and barium powder across clear blue skies, and the physical impossibility of being able to lift that amount of metallic powder to 30,000 feet should make it obvious that this is a conspiracy without any scientific evidence to support it.

Not saying this is the case with chemtrails, or arguing that they are real, but the US has been busted violating international law and experimenting on its own people multiple times. Tuskegee and MK Ultra come to mind right off that bat. So that argument that its just not legal really isn't an argument at all.

I agree that a thing being illegal is not likely to deter anyone in power. There is the loophole that countries can 'experiment' with schemes and I'm sure they are taking full advantage of this. But implementing something like full-scale Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal would require a whole new level of infrastructure which would become obvious. Without international agreement any rogue project would be quickly uncovered.

Could be easily uncovered. Unless we stop investigation by saying people claiming it are crazy. Honestly I don't know how easy it would be to get something up there and get a sample of it.

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So now the Space Shuttles are in on it as well? I'll be sure to look for that tell-tale shape next time I'm 'Looking Up' at your chemtrails. Perhaps it's a good job they've been scrapped then (along with HAARP).

See what I did there? I Ignored your point completely and straw-manned it into a ridiculous thing to say. How does it feel to have someone CONSTANTLY ignoring everything you write and putting words into your mouth that you never spoke? Infuriating, isn't it?

In fact, for once you are partly right. It would take a massive rocket to lift any significant amount of aluminium and/or barium into the stratosphere. Commercial aircraft are simply not capable of flying higher than 50,000 feetand the lower limit of the Stratosphere is 60,000 feet- there is not enough air for the engines or to create lift, and the plane will flame-out and stall if it's taken too high.

Chemtrails as proposed by many as a "constant attack on American citizens" is false.

But America has a history of lethal experimentation on its citizens, weather control operations abroad (such as Operation Popeye during the Vietnam War which would require prior testing), secret scientific experimentation (Operation Fishbowl), and Black Projects (Aircraft Aurora).

Of course most of what is posted is just regular contrails. And if there is any proof (amatuer photos) of nepharious doings, it will be impossible to distinguish from mundane causes, until of course documentation is disclosed (much like MK-Ultra)

Real.

I fly for a living and I see them EVERY day, 15-20AGL above me, spraying the shit out of the static wicks.

They are C130s, usually unmarked, painted white or mil-gray.

Try this--next time you see a plane laying trails (HEAVY ones) over your house look on FlightRadar24 and see if THAT plane shows up.

I will GUARANTEE you...it will not.

Here is a video that talks about the conditions that high bypass turbo fan jet engines create and their relation to condensation trail formation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgL6b7VTxT4

They're real and they're used for many purposes, including but not limited to weather modification, harmful metal/chemical for various purposes, and bacteria/virus/disease spreading.

what he said