Disclaimer: nobody really knows the answer to your question. However, although some will say that chemtrails linger far too long in the upper atmosphere to be regular engine contrails, I'd say that simply isn't true. I boil my argument down to one thing: if the government is spraying an enormous amount of chemical x into the earth's atmosphere, certainly it would be detectable by either scientists or chemtrail theorists. The only evidence available is lingering contrails. That's it, really. So I'd personally say that chemtrails don't exist.
It's always sad to see people take this movie as truth. There's SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed.
The Circulatory System, The Earth Is the Center of the Universe, Dna isnĀ“t important, The atom is the smallest particle in existence, Heavier objects fall faster. Just some of the important ones throughout the history.
I have no idea, I haven't watched it, I just provided you an opportunity to defend your statement, which you haven't taken. You would think you would jump at the opportunity to point out the "SO many" scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies, if I didn't know you're just an /r/conspiracy troll.
So I point out that there are scientific inaccuracies (which is a fact I was hoping was more widely known), you ask for some, I ask to confirm that this is indeed the stupid movie with that idiotic "water" test and, instead of confirming or denying, instead of telling me you have no idea, you decide to go off on a tangent about how I'm a troll.
You could have saved a lot of time had you just told me you never saw it.
Despite the long article it basically only touched one one aspect, aluminum. Is that really the entire video, complaining about aluminum? I doubt that.
So why haven't the creators of the movie released an acknowledgment of their misrepresentations? How hard is it to say "Whoops! I guess this basic scientific error should have been addressed but we missed it! Our bad!"?
chemtrails are a bit of a cannard if you will look up geoengineering and solar radiation management for the real story behind all those funky trails in the sky...
Chemtrails don't exist. Those are persistent contrails made of ice. Geoengineering is a global term to include various schemes and prosals to alter the atmosphere. However, there is a global ban on large-scale weather modification and only local cloudbbusting and experiments are allowed. None of those geoengineering ideas calls for creating 200-mile long plumes of aluminium and barium powder across clear blue skies, and the physical impossibility of being able to lift that amount of metallic powder to 30,000 feet should make it obvious that this is a conspiracy without any scientific evidence to support it.
Not saying this is the case with chemtrails, or arguing that they are real, but the US has been busted violating international law and experimenting on its own people multiple times. Tuskegee and MK Ultra come to mind right off that bat. So that argument that its just not legal really isn't an argument at all.
I agree that a thing being illegal is not likely to deter anyone in power. There is the loophole that countries can 'experiment' with schemes and I'm sure they are taking full advantage of this. But implementing something like full-scale Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal would require a whole new level of infrastructure which would become obvious. Without international agreement any rogue project would be quickly uncovered.
Could be easily uncovered. Unless we stop investigation by saying people claiming it are crazy. Honestly I don't know how easy it would be to get something up there and get a sample of it.
So now the Space Shuttles are in on it as well? I'll be sure to look for that tell-tale shape next time I'm 'Looking Up' at your chemtrails. Perhaps it's a good job they've been scrapped then (along with HAARP).
See what I did there? I Ignored your point completely and straw-manned it into a ridiculous thing to say. How does it feel to have someone CONSTANTLY ignoring everything you write and putting words into your mouth that you never spoke? Infuriating, isn't it?
In fact, for once you are partly right. It would take a massive rocket to lift any significant amount of aluminium and/or barium into the stratosphere. Commercial aircraft are simply not capable of flying higher than 50,000 feetand the lower limit of the Stratosphere is 60,000 feet- there is not enough air for the engines or to create lift, and the plane will flame-out and stall if it's taken too high.
Chemtrails as proposed by many as a "constant attack on American citizens" is false.
But America has a history of lethal experimentation on its citizens, weather control operations abroad (such as Operation Popeye during the Vietnam War which would require prior testing), secret scientific experimentation (Operation Fishbowl), and Black Projects (Aircraft Aurora).
Of course most of what is posted is just regular contrails. And if there is any proof (amatuer photos) of nepharious doings, it will be impossible to distinguish from mundane causes, until of course documentation is disclosed (much like MK-Ultra)
Here is a video that talks about the conditions that high bypass turbo fan jet engines create and their relation to condensation trail formation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgL6b7VTxT4
They're real and they're used for many purposes, including but not limited to weather modification, harmful metal/chemical for various purposes, and bacteria/virus/disease spreading.
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6 lostnebula 2014-11-13
Disclaimer: nobody really knows the answer to your question. However, although some will say that chemtrails linger far too long in the upper atmosphere to be regular engine contrails, I'd say that simply isn't true. I boil my argument down to one thing: if the government is spraying an enormous amount of chemical x into the earth's atmosphere, certainly it would be detectable by either scientists or chemtrail theorists. The only evidence available is lingering contrails. That's it, really. So I'd personally say that chemtrails don't exist.
-1 UcDat 2014-11-13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA
you were saying?
2 NWOwon 2014-11-13
It's always sad to see people take this movie as truth. There's SO many scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies that I'm surprised it still gets viewed.
2 pupupow 2014-11-13
such as
1 whopperj 2014-11-13
The Circulatory System, The Earth Is the Center of the Universe, Dna isnĀ“t important, The atom is the smallest particle in existence, Heavier objects fall faster. Just some of the important ones throughout the history.
2 pupupow 2014-11-13
that's what the video says?
0 NWOwon 2014-11-13
Isn't there a report in the movie that shows elevated aluminum levels in a "water" sample?
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
and? is that it?
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
Is what it?
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
Did you just make that up then?
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
No. Did you read my comment where I asked if that movie had the report with the aluminum found in the "water" sample?
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
Still waiting.
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
Me, too.
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
Just to be clear, NWOwon made this up and has zero evidence to support his claim.
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
Made what up?
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
Do you disagree?
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
I have no idea, I haven't watched it, I just provided you an opportunity to defend your statement, which you haven't taken. You would think you would jump at the opportunity to point out the "SO many" scientific misinterpretations and straight-up lies, if I didn't know you're just an /r/conspiracy troll.
2 NWOwon 2014-11-13
So I point out that there are scientific inaccuracies (which is a fact I was hoping was more widely known), you ask for some, I ask to confirm that this is indeed the stupid movie with that idiotic "water" test and, instead of confirming or denying, instead of telling me you have no idea, you decide to go off on a tangent about how I'm a troll.
You could have saved a lot of time had you just told me you never saw it.
Regardless, here you go.
0 pupupow 2014-11-13
Thanks for the link.
Still that isn't enough to make this statement true:
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
Why not?
1 pupupow 2014-11-13
Despite the long article it basically only touched one one aspect, aluminum. Is that really the entire video, complaining about aluminum? I doubt that.
1 NWOwon 2014-11-13
So why haven't the creators of the movie released an acknowledgment of their misrepresentations? How hard is it to say "Whoops! I guess this basic scientific error should have been addressed but we missed it! Our bad!"?
1 UcDat 2014-11-13
chemtrails are a bit of a cannard if you will look up geoengineering and solar radiation management for the real story behind all those funky trails in the sky...
1 King-Hell 2014-11-13
Chemtrails don't exist. Those are persistent contrails made of ice. Geoengineering is a global term to include various schemes and prosals to alter the atmosphere. However, there is a global ban on large-scale weather modification and only local cloudbbusting and experiments are allowed. None of those geoengineering ideas calls for creating 200-mile long plumes of aluminium and barium powder across clear blue skies, and the physical impossibility of being able to lift that amount of metallic powder to 30,000 feet should make it obvious that this is a conspiracy without any scientific evidence to support it.
1 materhern 2014-11-13
Not saying this is the case with chemtrails, or arguing that they are real, but the US has been busted violating international law and experimenting on its own people multiple times. Tuskegee and MK Ultra come to mind right off that bat. So that argument that its just not legal really isn't an argument at all.
1 King-Hell 2014-11-13
I agree that a thing being illegal is not likely to deter anyone in power. There is the loophole that countries can 'experiment' with schemes and I'm sure they are taking full advantage of this. But implementing something like full-scale Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal would require a whole new level of infrastructure which would become obvious. Without international agreement any rogue project would be quickly uncovered.
1 materhern 2014-11-13
Could be easily uncovered. Unless we stop investigation by saying people claiming it are crazy. Honestly I don't know how easy it would be to get something up there and get a sample of it.
0 [deleted] 2014-11-13
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-2 King-Hell 2014-11-13
So now the Space Shuttles are in on it as well? I'll be sure to look for that tell-tale shape next time I'm 'Looking Up' at your chemtrails. Perhaps it's a good job they've been scrapped then (along with HAARP).
-2 King-Hell 2014-11-13
See what I did there? I Ignored your point completely and straw-manned it into a ridiculous thing to say. How does it feel to have someone CONSTANTLY ignoring everything you write and putting words into your mouth that you never spoke? Infuriating, isn't it?
-2 King-Hell 2014-11-13
In fact, for once you are partly right. It would take a massive rocket to lift any significant amount of aluminium and/or barium into the stratosphere. Commercial aircraft are simply not capable of flying higher than 50,000 feetand the lower limit of the Stratosphere is 60,000 feet- there is not enough air for the engines or to create lift, and the plane will flame-out and stall if it's taken too high.
1 godiebiel 2014-11-13
Chemtrails as proposed by many as a "constant attack on American citizens" is false.
But America has a history of lethal experimentation on its citizens, weather control operations abroad (such as Operation Popeye during the Vietnam War which would require prior testing), secret scientific experimentation (Operation Fishbowl), and Black Projects (Aircraft Aurora).
Of course most of what is posted is just regular contrails. And if there is any proof (amatuer photos) of nepharious doings, it will be impossible to distinguish from mundane causes, until of course documentation is disclosed (much like MK-Ultra)
1 [deleted] 2014-11-13
Real.
I fly for a living and I see them EVERY day, 15-20AGL above me, spraying the shit out of the static wicks.
They are C130s, usually unmarked, painted white or mil-gray.
Try this--next time you see a plane laying trails (HEAVY ones) over your house look on FlightRadar24 and see if THAT plane shows up.
I will GUARANTEE you...it will not.
0 Baron523 2014-11-13
Here is a video that talks about the conditions that high bypass turbo fan jet engines create and their relation to condensation trail formation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgL6b7VTxT4
-3 comment_wisely 2014-11-13
They're real and they're used for many purposes, including but not limited to weather modification, harmful metal/chemical for various purposes, and bacteria/virus/disease spreading.
1 pupupow 2014-11-13
what he said