Reddit it just is not be open forum it used to be . It was the place for hard technology hard science hard politics and now it's been watered down to nothing and we just can't communicate as directly as we used to. In the past I was ab able to see a current event on the television go on Reddit and find out what the community thought about it .Reddit used to be 48 hours ahead of the new cycle t it's lucky to be two hours ahead of the news cycle currently

True but it's great for those last-minute-present ideas.
I miss old reddit.

Honestly I just believe it got too powerful right around the time of the President Obama ask me snything and the whole Boston bombing episode.

Actually, a huge turning point was when reddit got thousands upon thousands of people to attend the Stephen Colbert "Rally To Restore Sanity" in Washington DC.

I think that was the tipping point and when the powers that be realized what this place was. And what could be harnessed.

Sometimes it seems like shills are dominating the site.

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Digg Revision 6 has arrived! Now with more demographic information!

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Which is how I came to Reddit in the first place.

Facebook remembers Myspace, but not well enough.

Same, hence my username. It will be a sad day when escapefromreddit is my username on the next thing that will eventually be co-opted. Not that I think reddit is totally coopted, this sub still is free and /r/worldpolitics still seems good

It's Digg but, covertly.

People are in Fucking LOVE with Reddit as it is today. Mostly little kids who think it's cool and dont realize they're being mindwashed.

A "corporate sponsored" advertising engine with forum capabilities.

Some reading material. This stuff is crazy. You will never be able to see the web the same.

Thank you very interesting indeed

Thanks for this. I somehow missed this issue as well.

Incorrect. It doesn't seem that way. That's the reality. I'm still here because there are still interesting stories, but the quality of posts has gone way down and God Forbid you express an opinion that goes against the grain anywhere.

Vote brigading has always been a thing here. Sure, people hear about it when a more visible poster gets banned for it, but it's almost an accepted part of the dialogue in bigger subreddits.

One of the dangers of popularity based post visibility I guess.

And there are so many accounts that just make the same pandering comments all over the place to gain karma points. I think this is just account farming and those accounts will be used or sold for corporate manipulation.

Rofl. Member for 3 years, 4k comment karma. Yeah dude im a real power user. Fear my karma!!!

Yep, DNC shills and their blind lemming followers.

The fact you're being downvoted for calling the DNC shills on reddit is so ironic it's hilarious.

Just look at /r/politics. That's all you need to see to know this site is run by paid propaganda.

Ya that was way worse for Reddit than the Digg migration.

All the corporate manipulation using bots and shills, along with the influx of young kids, have really turned this place to a disappointment.

That's what compounds the issue of brain drain, and the end step of a good community dying. 4chan had a rift even because of this shit. 4chan had a brain drain. Let that sink in.

There are no hallowed grounds on this battlefield. Nothing is sacred.

I agree, reddit has always been politically minded. I actually forgot about the superpac thanks for reminding me.

"Colbert destroyed Reddit! GET HIM!" /s

Oh, please. It was dead long before then. it was fading when the AMA sub was created.

really, while I know it was critical to the growth, the subreddit concept is really what killed it -- it's the same moderator problem that every big forum eventually has. the "general interest" section gets too busy, so you let them create small, isolated communities. you just end up with a bunch of echo chamber shit. you don't like that there are jokes at the expense of women? create SRS. Don't like SRS? Create tumblrinaction or srssucks or sjsucks or . Don't like that D/R political parties get all the coverage? create the Libertarian sub. Don't like that christians are the butt of jokes? Create an athiest subreddit, then banish it.

All dissenting opinion disappears, and people think their little thing is actually important. And now we're in a world where reddit makes fun of "poor bullied virgin neckbeard whites" on the regular, where GamerGate support is directed at the aggressors, and where you can get banned from default subs just for disagreeing with the moderators.

Reddit is crushing itself under its own weight. Almost guaranteed is the regression to the mean, where all we really see are cat pictures and "stuff my girlfriend made." Reddit used to be a unique forum that a few people self-selected into. Now it's a generic massive website that hosts millions of tiny forums. And with that comes the influx of generic users, who use it "because it's popular" or "because I want to be on the front page" or "because I want karma" or whatever. Because that's what most people find non-offensive. Add in that being "nerd" is trendy now, and reddit really deludes itself into thinking every member is some sort of nerd, and it's a perfect storm.

Plus, the alternatives aren't really good yet. The one and only thing reddit has going for it is the large user base, the same thing that's destroying it.

Reddit is the worst, except for all the other even worse options

I just joined Reddit less than a year ago. I had no idea there weren't subreddits a while ago. Everyone was talking about how "they missed the old reddit" and I didn't understand. Thanks for that insight.

That was the death knell for sure, can't have the people thinking they can solve cases for themselves, especially if they find out it was bullshit or state sponsored terrorism.

Exactly. That was such a perfect move. Its amazing how they shamed millions of people and an entire website for the acts of probably a handful of people (who may have even intentionally spread the misinformation).

Shaming a community of millions for trying to solve a mystery is like trying to shame us for posting when a disaster strikes and the powers of the community work quicker and more effective than any news report or emergency team.

The most amazing thing is that at the end of the day, the government just showed us a picture of 2 guys attending the Boston Marathon and said "here's your proof".

Thats it. A picture proving they were there. And that was enough for a nation of 300 million and an entire world of foreign spectators.

Especially after the recent media reveal that they had lied about the perps all along, piled bullshit on top of horseshit, and we suffer for their incompetence mixed with blatant corruption. FFS America, what went wrong?

The sad thing is that by the time the lies are revealed to be lies, months and years have gone by and the great unwashed have already moved on. They don't seem to even have the capacity to look back and say "damn, I was lied to back then, I will be more critical next time".

It is almost as if it is done by design. Like a very clever robbery of the truth.

As the great unwashed are far more interested in laundry detergent and anti-perspirant than Govt. accountability and the well-being of fellow humans I prefer to think of them as the the great brainwashed.
It's absolutely by design too.

People concerned with survival have no time or energy to sit around talking politics or protesting against injustice. They worry about how they're going to eat and keep a roof over their head.

Can confirm, hungry and rent is too damn high

If there is any hope, it lies in the proles.

They're busy trying to scrounge change for Christmas presents and avoid foreclosure. But I still have hope. Sometimes a situation has to get ridiculously bad for enough people to wake up to the reality of it.

Far from being purposely ignorant of the way things really are or could be, I think many of the "unwashed" are simply trying to survive and don't have time for revolution while taking care of kids and finding a way to eat. These people should be viewed as victims of the system and allies rather than as stupid or poor.

But the truth is, that most people in America are still doing pretty well. Sure they used to do a hell of a lot better, and the middle class and labor have been thoroughly screwed the past 30 years, but even if you are poor in America, it still beats the hell out of the developing world. People may be struggling too much to be effective in political mobilization, but they also aren't so destitute or desperate to be rioting in the streets. We are starting to see that change, but it is still on the grand scheme of things VERY limited. Even protests of hundreds of thousands are still small fraction of this large nation.

Personally I believe there are many true conspiracies, but not everything is a conspiracy. Meaning that sometimes rather small conspiracies can have rather huge results, and there is so many people and organizations out there with the motive that people take comfort in blaming governments, corporations, or international organizations of one sort or another as the primary cause because the alternative, in that we live a world of billions of people, all with different agendas and sources of different powers that nobody is in control and shitty things can happen because of a mistake, miscommunication, accident, or the conspiracy of a small actor to goad a large actor into some action.

When it comes to something say like the war in Syria, clearly nobody is calling the shots. It's a fucking disaster for pretty much everyone. Sure there are idiots on the ground part of some idiotic redneck death cult who love the apocalypse, and it looked pretty good from Washington until ISIS went and blew the last of their credibility on Iraq to hell. There are so many different groups with so many different agendas trying to play their part, that nobody could have planned out the way it has gone since this war started, and if any side did they've be stupid to do it the way they did. Now at this point you may wonder why I"ve gone off on Syria. Well frankly it is because we need to point to something to show not everything is a conspiracy. You may yourself be a reasonable person who accepts this argument and thinks it is silly to bring up. Well not everyone is as reasonable as you and some will dispute this. If you agree with me, you will realize how impossible it may be to dissuade someone of this heartfelt conspiracy. Now if you are like me, you may be convinced that some organization has orchestrated the whole event, but that would require new substantial evidence.

Anyways my point is that people have it good, and a revolution is risky business. Liberal secularists in Iran thought revolution would get them free of their dictator. The Iranian regime may not be the caricature the west portrays, but if you are transported back as a woman to 1970s Iran you'd still find it preferable than the modern day. Sure you'd be in a country that is torturing people, but that probably isn't a change.

My only problem with your post about Syria lay in how these militant groups come to power, and the plans to invade Syria for decades. Which I consider a conspiracy, even though its out in the open for anybody who cared. Just like the NSA "news" or all these whistle blowers bringing market collusion details to light.

The fact the American government was hostile to the Syrian nation is just geopolitics. It's like saying there was an American conspiracy against the USSR. Well duh.

People always use the excuse of "there's no time." People have become such narcissists that they have to appear to be busy to others because they want everyone to have this falsely high opinion of them. You see it all the time in the workplace.

The data on the average amount of television being watched tells a much different story.

Eh, I feel like that's a massive generalization. Narcissism doesn't really explain anything. Educating yourself and turning it into political action is difficult and sometimes dangerous work. And it is work, if you want to do it right. Watching television is a passive experience. When you're expending your energy trying to survive, it's easier to sit down and watch the Walking Dead than march on the state house.

You mean like they want to do some laundry? Maybe they don't like being unwashed anymore...

sorry, I came here from /all

We killed Reddit ourselves. Take off the rose tinted glasses, it was never as good as you think.

Perfect example is the whole bath salt incident down in Florida. About the guy who ate some other guys face off and they blamed it all on bath salts. Then the autopsy showed nothing in his system besides cocaine a couple months later.

Thought it was only marijuana in his system actually.

I think your right. I'd have to find the article but I remember it being NOT bath salts.

Bath salts are the most fucked up drug you can do though, it's like taking a bunch of meth, cocaine and MDMA all at the same time.

Because America is about winning! If you admit you were wrong, YOU LOSE!

Ain't no losers in this country, I tell you hwat!

There seems to be about a two year delay between an important event happening and the public getting the full story.

It came out that the brothers were not the bombers?

if anything they were patsies already working with the FBI or CIA and then they got turned out.

this

Just like Lee Harvey Oswald.

that would be the prevailing conspiracy theory logic yes.

It did not

Especially after the recent media reveal that they had lied about the perps all along

What is this about? I think I missed this...

http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/12/09/boston-bombing-feds-admit-triple-murder-wasnt-tsarnaevs/

Thank you. Amazing how fast the media jumps on these things. Reminds me of that German journalist who blew the whistle a month or so ago. He said the intelligence community would write some of his articles for him.

Where do you think the media got the idea that they were involved in those incidents? From the feds!

I note this story didn't seem to make it to the big media though, quelle surprise. There was also the CNN/CIA connection exposed recently too. And they want to ban/control bloggers and small news outlets for some strange reason? Hmm.

I note this story didn't seem to make it to the big media though, quelle surprise

Yep, pretty amazing how fast people forget. Aurora, Boston, they were the biggest stories at the time and now it's like people forget there are still trials and investigations under way.

What are you talking about?

seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?

Some assholes went through and downvoted us for asking without providing an explanation but I found this which doesn't really say they didn't commit the boston bombing, but that they didn't commit the Waltham murders.

So /r/conspiracy being /r/conspiracy. Tsarnaev is still going to trial for the bombings. So.. bullshit.

Exactly. That was such a perfect move. Its amazing how they shamed millions of people and an entire website for the acts of probably a handful of people (who may have even intentionally spread the misinformation).

Are you kidding me? I had to stop mentioning reddit outside of reddit because the public response had become "isn't that the site that hates women and supports child porn?".

That was WAY before Boston.

Smear campaign

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That was my response. People were adamant they'd never heard of it.

Still haven't seen that damning video evidence.

I'm very willing to believe the Boston bombing was a conspiracy considering the evidences and the shady govt response but in that case, what would be their motive?

/r/conspiracy is that way

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Haha didn't see what sub I was in when I made the comment. Realized immediately afterwards and laughed at myself.

I'm afraid of large internet communities falsely accusing someone of a horrible crime, but I'm way more terrified of the police doing the same thing, because they do it way more often.

I watched the Boston thing unfold on reddit and thought 'no good will come of this, it's anonymous all over again' and that worked out so well for 4chan.

Sandy hook things got wild also.

And surprise surprise, more dodgy sounding bullshit.

If it smells like fish tastes like fish it's fish. That whole story did not make any sense

try 2-3 years earlier.

Nope, the real decline was the removal of /r/reddit.com

Every other sub had a drop in quality once there wasn't a catch-all sub was removed. This made the "Hard" articles get watered down as the not casual and easily suggested general topics were forced to classify their posts under another sub. So new people joining ever since have seen more easily digestible content going into each sub and naturally upvote it more quickly and easily and when they think of submissions for themselves, will also submit similarly easy to digest content.

The migration from Digg.

It was bad before that.

More like the right wingers realized how important and powerful reddit already was and took over virtually all I've reddit.

Anything anti right wing was cut from r/politics and liberal sources were banned until the uproar forced them to restore things like motherjones.

Posts like this about bush Cheney lying to us all these years and their torture being exactly as pointless as they mocked Obama for claiming it was get deleted, etc...

The problem is very clear.

I miss old reddit.

Here you go: http://whoaverse.com/

https://spreadit.io/

Thanks, I know it well but the slight lack of conversations is a bit offputting at the mo. Maybe I should more often and mod my userless subs :)

It is small but we have to start somewhere. I like what I've seen so far. World News reminds me of the good old reddit days. I hope it grows.

I think a problem with whoaverse is the domain sounds like a stoned 12 year old came up with the it. Bear with me now. That, and it's an exact clone of reddit. Back when reddit wasn't huge and you first found it, it was like "the hell is this? Another forum? The hell are these people talking about, the fuck is a reddit?" Then you HAD to read the rules before you made an account and you realized how important and unique the site was.

It was provactive and merry and nerdy and a huge dash of obscure.

I mean granted due to sites like reddit and 4chan and whatnot we are kind of desensitized to alot of material. We're older now. It's not always a universe of "whoa".

but that doesn't mean you still can't craft a new site, with even a moral objective and have a close tight knit group or even clique where people can speak easy. Start small, get an irc channel(it's free) and if you've got cool people it will grow

think a problem with whoaverse is the domain sounds like a stoned 12 year old came up with the it.

Maybe it is a good thing. Maybe it is best if it doesn't get too big. Isn't that partly why reddit has become so poor? I'm not arguing - you make good points. Just 'thinking out loud'. Thanks.

Na that's a great counter point.

Maybe think of it more like a social club. You could just be attracting the wrong group of folks. Or maybe its not that you're attracting the wrong group, but more like you're not attracting the right group. Does that make sense?

The name is changing to Voat, which is an improvement.

RIP

All the intelligent people are discussing this on some other site we don't know about yet. You're stuck here with the rest of us jerks until it gets popular and we go ruin it. Muhahahaha

Reddit is still 48 hours ahead of the news cycle, /r/worldnews is not. Stop surfing the popular subs.

Please pm me some alternatives I'll subscribe to them thank you

Fuck that, don't pm, share them with us please

Me too!

would like that also

Let me in on this too

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plz OP

I would love some alternatives then. Please pm I will love you forever

why pm? I'd like to know as well if possible.

me too, please!

But is that because the news cycle has just started taking what's popular on reddit faster now? Or is it because the quality of reddit post is going down?

The internet is a child. A mere 20 years old (in it's usable, enjoyable form). Reddit was just ahead of the game, it was a frontier, a revolution, a new beginning, a place to communicate globally, a place to be heard and a place to listen. It may be getting watered down now, but I also believe the rest of the world is catching up with technology. News is slowly improving and Reddit is slowly degrading.

If I had to guess I would say both

Seriously? Eric Garner stories were on Reddit MONTHS before Fox ever aired it. Consistent with almost every other story I've seen between Reddit and mainstream media

Except they were downvoted to silence.

Edit - Point proven :)

yeah you can consider reddit a "publishing" corporation now...and your content is their gold. Of course, you can't publish anything you want in a free country....

by the way did you know that the torture program in the CIA was not giving the results they said they were getting? turns out the results were from conventional means of interrogation, (money, bribes, safety, exchanges, threats) not from torture. Just a bunch of cunts at the CIA who apparently were called the manson family or something (wow) believed in torturing people and lied to their superiors about the results (apparently).

As I was reading that report last night (linked from reddit, of course) my computer went crazy taking screenshots. The little audio sound of a camera shutter went off every time I scrolled down the page to read more of the story. And my screenshot plugin was, of course, disabled at the time. How. The. Fuck.

wat

I would think it was just a coincidence but it didn't happen before and hasn't happened since. Only while reading that report. Go figure.

if you have a webcam put tape on it or something when not in use :P

Good advice. I started doing that back in 2009. However, it doesn't prevent screenshots.

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I agree I like 8chan, 4chan's pol is full of idiots and edgy teens. Its like the the entire 4chan pol is filled with people who believe the circlejerk is actually what pol is about. Then those shit posts get posted on reddit, and that gives redditors the idea of what pol is about, and then those users come into pol with that circlejerk mentality, and the cycle continues

It's just real racists

Or, you know it's a bunch of neocon zionists, and cultural marxists shills and JIDF from here and tumblr and elsewhere shitposting constantly to malign the entire board in a massive false flag. "Two months ago" would be January of last year.

http://imgur.com/a/5KmrN

Saving

Are you seriously advertising 8chan on reddit?

Really?

This is the best place to tell people to come to 8chan?

You get banned if you mention 8chan anywhere on 4chon. And why not? It's not like reddit is too different from 8chan.

Unfortunately as people realized Reddit was the place to get the hard information it grew in size and now has the eye of major powers (media, politics, etc.) who can all individually and collectively use their numbers to down vote articles into obscurity. Reddit's problem is Reddit's success.

Didn't we just recently have a redditor pull a bullet out of his backpack from a school shooting he had just witnessed?

Are there any alternatives? Of course not of the same scale Reddit is, but I'd still like to know of any.

http://whoaverse.com/

Users can earn a share of ad revenue for submitted content

so it has incentivized shit posting. yeah that'll be better than this.

It's young and small. It will die with age, but you should at least give it a go before it comes home to the family and has to tell them about the "C" word.

C word

?

Cancer.

Me too. I would be so happy to get uncensored options with out the collection of meta data .I just know they our collecting every detail we post her linking it to our real identities.

I couldn't agree more. The moment I saw the word "rape" in the WW II post I knew that all was lost.

It's not just Reddit though. I think it's the internet as a whole. When was the last time you saw a (popular) Youtube channel talk about something like that?

Reddit used to be cool, until people spent more time discussing the coolness of Reddit, and less time having cerebral debate.

Try Hubski

That's because reddit has become part of the cycle.

Nooz® is just a never ending human centipede of plagiarism and echo chamber blog-punditism. Reddit upgraded the hive mind.

It you could stretch it all out into a sheet, it would ripple with homogeneity.

It's just full of shills and bots and compromised mods. That's the reality of life.

It's gotten worse, the front page often times is behind the news or mirrors CNN.com exactly. They expect us to think that millions of people randomly up voted the exact same stories run by the Associated Press...

So if not Reddit, what-it?

The mainstream media uses reddit now...May explain why they have mute current events

Alternative?

Where am I supposed to get true unfiltered broad based news?

I guess this thread is proof of its downhill slide, eh? It's practically front page.

It makes me wonder about other big sites. If reddit is this bad, how about youtube?

'Hard politics' of one persuasion

/r/TrueReddit

True gaming also

thats also because the news cycle is moving a lot faster now then it was even a few years ago. the ability to communicate with people around the world instantly is finally being used regularly in the news now.

You might find a little place called 8chan to be more for your liking if you value free speech. I have.

People said the same thing 4 years ago... you've only been here for 2.

Seven this is a alt account

You should see the vote brigading in a smaller subreddit like /r/India, where posts criticizing the current ruling party in India get mass-downvoted by people who only post pro-party propaganda.

This, and the fact that Reddit claims to stand for the "small guy", but prohibits the small guy from promoting his own website/products, while celebrities can pop-in anytime in r/AMA and peddle their shit makes me really, really livid.

We can rebuild it.. Better, faster, stronger...

It is a propaganda arm of the Democrat party or as I like to call them, the New Fascists.

So where is a better place? please.

I noticed that this morning what a bait and switch. The very front page first news article should be about torture. It's a huge topic. They should all be arrested tried and hanged.

Edit hang

And for the record I rather be hung then hanged any day of the week

hanged

Men are hung. People are hanged. :)

some men are hung

some hung men are hanged.

Good, less big dicked guys = better for the rest of us.

If nobody is big dicked, everybody is big dicked.

Your mum.

What do mean "us"? I don't know what you are talking about.

i think he's implying has a little dick, and subsequent big dick envy

*fewer

Some hung men are hanged.

Some men are hung and hanged.

I'd rather be hung than hanged, amirite, amirite?

speak for yourself....

All men are hung, some men are more hung than others.

but not this guy

I am hung. They are hanged.

"Your father was hanged, not hung. He was not a tapestry."

Do tapestries have big dicks?

Instructions unclear; now have tape on dick.

Don't thank me, this seems to be a typical reddit response in a serious thread.

Yeah the moderators can't keep getting away with this

Oh no? Let's try to remember something, as painful as this may be....this site belongs to someone, and that person gets to decide how the site is run. We all choose to participate, understanding that immutable truth.

Reddit was once a truly epic place, where one was able to dive into discussion with both like minded and opposed individual; who were thoughtful, intelligent, and who all had something to contribute. But that time has come to an end. There is still utility in that many people congregate here, and in spite of up/down votes that don't mesh with objective reality, a message can still get out.

Submissions like this are important. Kudos to the OP. Messages like this make other information more palatable, in spite of the censorship.

Yup. It sucks when the band sells out to make money, but they all do it eventually.

Like Cult of Luna? If that is selling out, fuck, I'd like to hear the original.

I don't think Metallica ever sold out. What do you think?

You do not have permission to publish the name "Metallica" on the Reddit. You will be hearing from our lawyers soon.

Shit, I may have to retract my previous statement.

Moderators can only remove a post from their sub's page, not from /r/all. Your complaint would be to the admins.

This is why you see obviously untrue (and flaired to that effect) TIL posts on the frontpage along with countless other examples of posts that got popular before mods could delete them.

Amerei: Outlaws killed him. Father had only gone out to ransom Petyr Pimple. He brought them the gold they asked for, but they hung him anyway.

Mariya: Hanged, Ami. Your father was not a tapestry.

--George RR Martin, A Feast for Crows

Why try them if you've already decided to hang them?

I guess you're right though. I'll join your club.

"Murder the torturers! Murder the torturers! Murder the torturers!"

Yea, why did they try Saddam?

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

How do you figure?

Saddam wasn't tried in the American legal system.

He wasn't put out of power by the Iraqis either.

Saddam's problem is he went off the reservation. His handlers didn't like what he was doing, with that whole "nationalize the oil" thing. That'll get you taken out every time.

Happened to Mossadeq in Iran, assassinated after trying to nationalize the countries country's oil.

Argentina tried it in 2012 and now faces currency and economic crises

Gaddafi in Libya started talking nationalization in 2011 and died soon after with a knife shoved up his ass.

Wanna know why crazy shit happens on the world stage? Follow the oil.

Oil, bananas, coffee, and coke.

Also diamonds and Tantalum (sp?)

.... I think I remember hearing that some South American country had rich deposits of Lithium salts, which is increasing in value right now.

It's too bad about that civil war, really.

You are correct. Still, that doesn't change the fact that he was tried in the Iraqi court system over which America holds no sway.

To make others in power think before they act. Someone needs to be held accountable. And not the two psychiatric doctors they plan on using as scapegoats.

I don't disagree, I was just surprised that you included a trial with the forgone execution.

The trial would be bigger than ok Simpson . If the rectal feeding tube doesn't fit you must acquit

Ah! Spectacle! Like Caesar throwing lavish festivals to distract the populace. I approve. A trial it shall be.

Gotta love that liberal mindset - "Do as I say, not as I do".

why try these guys they hate stuff like that just skip to brutal inhumane torturing these guys are into.

Lynched

I have seen it mentioned everywhere, which is something.

If only it was real torture.

Ayyy lmao

Why should they be hung? At most, I can see them getting fired, but its war. While its against our values, I think the president actually nailed it on the heads when he said that everyone was kind of in a hurry after 9\11

For war crimes specifically states in the Geneva Convention that they can be hung and or firing squad

Yes, but these acts were frowned upon by the executive branch (executive order). They were never made into law by congress. Dianne Feinstein says that in her report. They didn't break any laws in wartime. They lied to congress and used the media manipulatively. Bill Clinton did it and nothing happened to him.

I guess I don't feel like "Well, I was kind of in a hurry" is an excuse for torturing someone.

Granted, I'm not in favor of the death penalty, either.

If they catch us, they are beheading us and put it on YouTube. If we capture them we keep them up and pour water on them. I find no wrong with what they did. I just wish they hadn't lied about it.

I was at work all day and missed the initial rush of posts so I have not seen the breaking posts...it's amazing that only a few hours later, I don't see any posts about the CIA report anywhere on reddit???? I even loaded reddit on a browser where I'm not signed in so I'm seeing "full reddit", and there is not even ONE CIA torture related post (other than an ELI5 regarding CIA torture). It's fucking amazing how this MAJOR story is being white-washed on this site.

Here you go for anyone who wants to read or download the 528 page CIA Torture Report. I thank Cryptome for putting this up. I'll keep the link up for everyone who is curious.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ox3kf/cia_torture_report/

http://cryptome.org/2014/12/cia-torture-report.pdf

Read quite a bit of it when it was first released. Pretty crazy shit. How can people be so... just horrible.

Those links don't link anymore.

Strange. I checked the links and clicked them. They both work perfectly fine. If they do try to remove them, I'll be happily reposting both links on here.

If it still doesn't work. I'll put in the Cryptome website, so you can visit the site.

www.cryptome.org

It was on FIRE here this a.m. I get my news from reddit, no t.v. From 6 a.m.-2:00 p.m. est I was reading all about it. Tonight, nope.

Hello memory hole. Here's another story for ya.

Thank you RadOwl!

Can't pass up an opportunity for a 1984 reference.

Oh no. Am I going to start seeing you everywhere now??? XD

Reddit is a small world sometimes XD

"I get my news from Reddit"

That no better than CNN on a bad day.

It's a hell of a lot better than CNN any day.

Yeah, whole neckbeard platoon up in arms about a post about the CIA being taken off 'by government forces', when the post disobeyed the rules of the reddit it was posted on....oh yes, it must be an inside job.

Now look at you ignorant fanatics circle jerking your way into retardation.

I don't watch TV. I don't read news online. I am not subscribed to r/worldnews on Reddit.

I basically only get news from other people (I don't meet that many working from home) and Reddit....it's blessed :)

So, you just go to news links, and go the comments, and feel the way other people feel...not only is that telephone x3, the story is tarnished and you probably look like a fool when talking about it to whoever you talk to in real life. I'm just guessing.

Nope. I just read the head lines, not the comments. If something looks interesting enough (for investment purposes) I'll dig deeper, but otherwise I just steer clear of news.

So how much better is your life, or the lives of your loved ones, for having you so plugged into the latest news? I'm willing to bet there wouldn't be much different in the world if you eased up on your news diet.

If you enjoy the news, read it and keep up with it. But get some perspective on its importance in this life.

Reddit is actually the best place to get news.

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Where else is better?

8chan

I thought it was so strange that it wasn't on Reddit for me either. I logged on about 3 PM EST and apparently by that time it was already gone. I was amazed that it wasn't on the front page, so I guess I just missed it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/cia-torture-report-chinese-media-slams-us-hypocrisy-asks-washington-clean-human-rights-issue-616687

Spread the story. Use the Streisand Effect.

Streisand

My aunt loves Streisand and you just reminded me I forgot to buy her the new album for Xmas. You're my hero.

edit // Turns out one of my other family members already bought it, and I wasn't able to cancel my order in time. You just cost me $19.99!

Hey make sure to read the Streisand effect wiki article

Streisand effect wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

TaintsTheDiscussion

/r/nocontext

If this is the original link posted then no wonder it was removed, I got three 3 malicious pop up ads all trying to trick me into installing software and I'm running adblock plus.

This was the reason it was removed. If you go into the comments, you'll see everyone complaining about being asked to install fake adobe reader updates and such.

That and the fact that the title was completely mis-representative of the article. The article makes it sound like the Chinese government slammed the report. They did not.

I enjoy a good conspiracy, but it's sad to see everything just being called a conspiracy, and nobody doing any research.

But what if the CIA put that there?

Don't click Orangutan's link. I did so, and was immediately faced with a few popup windows, a request to modify something in Chrome, and the inability to close any tabs. I had to kill in task manager >.<

But totally spread the story. Just find a link that's not insane.

ibtimes.co.in

They try to make it look like something vaguely reputable as well (noscript and adblock kept the page clean for me). Could have fooled me if not for the clickbait titles on the right side.

Yeah, just checked it with Sucuri online scanner:

Website: w**.ibtimes.co.in

Status: Infected With Malware. Immediate Action is Required.

Web Trust: Blacklisted (10 Blacklists Checked): Indicates that a major security company (such as Google, McAfee, Norton, etc) is blocking access to your website for security reasons.

http://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results/www.ibtimes.co.in

Noscript saved me all of that bullshit.

Yeah as if Countries like China and north Korea have a leg to stand on when it comes to torture. Lawl that article is such a shitpost no wonder it was removed.

• The Reddit moderators and the Intelligence Community are working closely together. There is no different between the corporate owned mainstream media and Reddit any more. I have seen enough to know how it works. The "voting system" is heavily rigged and often manipulated by Corporate and Intelligence interests. Obfuscation, distraction, disinformation and sabotage are their favourite tools.

• If you are able, as they are, to blur the lines between reality with their own propaganda for the majority of the population, they win.

• At the end of the day, Reddit moderators are just employees in a big company depending on a monthly salary. Don't be too harsh on them.

If you want a free, democratic and unsullied discussion, go talk with your dog, but do make sure you turned off you cellphone and removed the batteries first!

My god, this fucking sub never fails to amaze me.

This sub is a perfect example of Poe's Law. It is impossible to differentiate extremism and parody of extremism.

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It's the world of PKD

At the end of the day, Reddit moderators are just employees in a big company depending on a monthly salary. Don't be too harsh on them.

Wrong, the admins are paid but for the most part anyone can be a mod in 10 seconds and no one pays them

I want my money.

Yeah where's the money for my fetish subs?

as a moderator of /r/wearemods it took me a whole two hours to become a moderator, thank you very much.

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/PanicHistory] 12/11/2014 - /r/conspiracy - &quot;The Reddit moderators and the Intelligence Community are working closely together... The &quot;voting system&quot; is heavily rigged and often manipulated by Corporate and Intelligence interests.&quot;

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Poe's Law

internetsuperpac.com start a sub

I want my intelligence operatives to use real fucking torture and not the soft shit they got a slap on the wrist for.

These moderators are such a joke.

I got banned for posting "news analysis" to the world news site. It wasn't anything controversial: the story was about how cities in EU like Paris are going to start banning diesel engines to comply with EU air regulations.

I truly thought the story I posted was "news" without much "analysis" but, whatever.

I engaged the mod and asked him if he actually read the article. He never answered that question but said no "analysis" and so on and no "reportage."

I responded with the Webster's definition of the word "reportage" -- which is basically, you know, factual reporting? -- and he said, basically, "my bad, I'm not an native English speaker" so he didn't really understand that word correctly. So, forget that he said "reportage" violates their "rules" and will get you banned.

Huh? He is moderating the world news site. Banning people for posting news stories with too much "analysis." And he's not a native English speaker? I don't have any problems with non-English natives but he's trying to read in English, apply these ridiculous distinctions and he doesn't even know what the word "reportage" means?

He thinks its something that will get you banned. It's insane.

Wait, you got banned for analyzing a news article? Don't people do that shit all the time?

No, they just post memes and bullshit about North Korea.

I got banned for posting "news analysis" to the world news site

They try and say you should use /r/inthenews for that but it's not used hardly at all so it's basically useless

They are trying to distinguish between "news" and "news analysis" which is absurd given the movement in modern journalism to blur the line between the two. Plus, don't we want journalists to actually tell us what something means, rather than just parrot that there's two sides to every issue, like they do here in the U.S.?

For example, I always say the American press would report a story like this:

Today, the Republicans announced the Moon is really made of green cheese. The Democrats responded that it is not and this demonstrates the anti-science nature of Republicans.

And nowhere would the story say: And in fact, the Moon is NOT made of green cheese. Because that would be "analysis." You know, why should a news story be concerned with "the truth" or "facts"?

So, one side or the other gets to lie with impunity about anything: global warming, historical facts, you name it -- and the story is always a "he said, she said" bit of nonsense.

So the Reddit world news sub is punishing good journalism.

This is not related to a post disappearing from /r/all. Posts deleted by mods in their subs are still accessible via /r/all.

that's not even true

Admin & Moderators are such a joke*

It's a given that this site in particular is gamed in terms of both corporate and political interest. I don't think it's something we need to dwell on or even debate too much in threads like these but I will say it's very important to upvote the hell out of every single instance it happens so newcomers are aware and that we ourselves are aware of the current attempts to co-opt the socio, political narrative of the day.

Found a fairly obvious plant piece a little while ago, probably a lobby group and PR firm creation

I don't understand the significance of this link. Can you explain?

Uber is one of the most disruptive business models to come out in the last few years - any article that can besmirch or otherwise diminish them as a company will make their opponents lives easier.

You didn't really explain why it's a disruptive business model. Could you explain why? I think I have a handle on it but I'm not overly invested in business modeling.

From what I understand, the business model of Uber is that it asks individuals to drive their own cars + pay for their own gasoline to transport people from point A to point B. It's a shitty business model because it's designed for failure based upon the fact that the "salary" (if you'd call intermittent cash flow) of the drivers are GREATLY outpaced by the deprecation of the automobile and gasoline prices.

I don't quite understand how it's affecting other businesses, though.

The removal of powerful cab companies from the mix of being taxis that is revolutionary - the ease by which a person can hail an Uber with a app and have control over their own driving that is causing the problems for the larger cab companies - cabbie tokens in NYC for example can go for 600k for a TLC license. (http://www.ehow.com/info_8620636_much-cab-driver-new-york.html)

Ubers cost model is MUCH less regulated and is a direct competitor to these interests. Thus any bad press for the Uber program is good for the cabbies.

I don't know if you're kidding or not.

Uber is disruptive because it's pushing the taxi in a way that it should be going. My understand is the taxi industry has become almost a complacent mob. Prior to Uber you need to be certified and find a large company to work for. Driving for yourself was simply unfeasible and driving for someone else meant a lot of your money went to a big company.

Uber highlights the fact that this system is archaic and outdated. It shows that so many people are willing to drive someone around to make a couple of extra bucks. It's extremely easy and you can do it whenever you want. No bureaucratic bullshit, no mobs, and more importantly you can work for yourself pretty much whenever and wherever you want.

Why did you think I was kidding?

I understand the entrepreneurial spirit Uber is trying to push but it doesn't make economic sense to the casual driver. I've already touched on this.

To the consumer, it makes sense. But, this business model is shit for the drivers. More on this later.

This is an interesting POV from one of Ubers drivers.

Nearly the exact same thing happens with Uber as it does with regular cab drivers but likely in higher numbers due to a lack of oversight - client poaching, over-saturated areas, etc.

I think it's a good idea but Uber, currently, doesn't seem to be equipped to handle the demands of the cab industry. This leaves them highly vulnerable to losing a market footing and thus being left in the wake of a competitors successes.

I'm genuinely interested to see who wins this battle but I highly doubt we'll see massive regulatory overhaul in the NYC / Chicago / LA markets for a while. Companies like Uber need to prove themselves worthy of handling the torch.

Uber's business model is very disruptive to taxi companies. My understanding is that most large cities regulate the number of taxi's allowed to operate within a city/area. Many cities use a medallion system or something similar in which medallions can be purchased that give the owner of the medallion the right to operate a taxi within the city (or a set number of taxis). There are two basic idea's behind the medallion system: one is to limit the number of taxi's so that there are enough fares per taxi for it to economically worth while for the taxi drivers, and secondly as a way to impose safety and other types of regulations, such as how much to charge, on the taxi's/taxi drivers. In places such as new york, these medallions have come to be worth lots of money (supposedly up to a million dollars according to a Google search).

The way that Uber and similar companies are operating sidesteps the medallion system (removing a major expense), as well as the other regulations (how much to charge, ect.). The way that you are able to easily find an Uber car using your phone is also an advantage over trying to flag down a taxi.

Admittedly I'm not familiar with the exact economics of income for the Uber drivers vs expenses such as depreciation of their car, but in many other respects I view Uber and other similar companies as having made the changes that the consumer has been hoping for (sometimes unknowingly) from the current way that taxi's operate. Now there are ways to avoid filthy cars/drivers, the method of calling/flagging an uber car is easier than a taxi, and it reduces the value of taxi medallions which are often owned by wealthy people who charge a taxi driver to operate under their medallion (not a system I support).

The CIA report is a bullshit distraction anyway. They should be reporting on how the CIA is a massive drug dealer or how it knew about 9/11 and did nothing or how it isn't accountable to tax payers. There are dozens of other CIA stories that should be told over this stupid one.

Yea, torture is succchhhh small apples compared to drug dealing. Take off your blinders sheeple, they're covering up drug dealing with torture, we can't let them off easy!

Idiocy.

It is because nobody cares. They plug a story about terrorists getting tortured and no one really bats an eye at it. Most people will think they got what they deserved not knowing anything about those being tortured. It's almost a fluff piece and they know it has little impact so they run it. Everyone already knew about torture and the CIA.

If they ran a real story about the CIA, something that would hit home with Americans (tax payers), then there might have to be some actual change and that would hurt the CIA and save the average citizen money. This approach to the CIA is so that they don't actually have to do anything because torture is already a crime, and they can distract the nation with something trivial at this point in time when the US is currently bombing oil refineries, sabotaging democratic elections and funding terrorists overseas to fight Russian influence in the East.

Enjoy your terrorists got tortured and black people rioting news. Did you hear about Bill Cosby?

terrorists getting tortured

How about we just call them people. It's been proven that many of those folks who were tortured were not terrorists or even involved in armed resistance against U.S. occupation. They were innocent civilians.

Nope, cannot call them people or humans. That might make some of the people shed a tear of compassion and we can't have that.

/s

As people consider what was done to the "terrorists," know that terrorist is an amorphous label that can be, and is being, applied broadly. You might find yourself being a labeled a terrorist for protesting against government abuse or corporate corruption, or investigating abuse and corruption as a journalist. LINK.

It's already happening. Terrorism laws have been used against peace activists, labor leaders and protest organizers. Henry Kissinger proposed that a "terrorist" is anyone who rejects the international system. Scary shit. It will get to the point that anyone outside of the national security state and globalist corporate structure is a terrorist.

What I find interesting is the debate is being framed around whether use of torture provided good intel or not, when the real story is the fact that the U.S. fuckin' tortures people.

I know what you mean and I agree with you but the sad fact is the 99% of nations have tortured people.

While torture is widespread, among advanced nations it is ... not systematic like this. Or it's not done at all. America is supposed to be better than that. We used to be the beacon for freedom and human rights. Now we're just thugs.

The CIA and feds in general have always been thugs I don't know what history you are reading.

"beacon of freedom and human rights"

Slavery --> Jim Crow --> Racialized mass incarceration. Not to mention our foreign policy since WWII where we attack nations almost every year, overthrow democracies, teach other military's how to torture and assassinate people. Yup what a bunch of human rights activists we are lmao

Yeah, I guess the reality belies the ideal.

yea and civilized modern nations stopped, which explains why USA havent i guess.

this came as news to no one in scandinavia, we never expected more from USA and we're never proven wrong by expecting the worst of it.

Countries in their infancy are apparently as much of a joke now as we were a thousand years ago. Seems like kids who need to prove themselves or something, flex muscles, a bully before growing up, etc etc.

Just think we should be able to expect more from a country in 2014 than we did in the 1500s, USA proves me wrong.

psst... guess what? Your country is in on it too. It's a trans-national alliance of assholes and the europeans get to be included in that. The US just serves as the military wing.

modern day sweden is known for its inhuman acts of torture /s

Yeah because 120 people getting tortured is really equal to widespread medieval torture.

120 that you know of :)

Oh right I'm on /r/conspiracy I don't know why I thought I would get a logical debate, Carry on.

Well there is quite a bit on the accountability angle here that could potentially be addressed but yeah.

So I have a prison pen-pal who knows a guy that sold coke to the CIA. I'll look the guy's name up, but he's Venezuelan if I remember correctly. Basically the CIA hadn't had any major busts for a while, so they straight up arrested this dude after he had been selling to the CIA for 15 years. The Venezuelan guy knew he was selling to the CIA and they had some agreement.

The torture report currently sits at #2 on both the default front page and /r/all.

It hasn't left the reddit front page since the story broke.

Y'all might be overreacting.

Edit: Torture report related stories are #1, #5, #11, #12, #15, and #20 on /r/news and #2, #6, #9, and #16 on /r/worldnews

If the reddit admins/global media elite are trying to cover this up, they're doing a piss-poor job of it.

Facts have no place here!

The original link forces me to fill out a survey in order to read the content. That is why it was removed - the link is garbage.

What are you talking about? It's International Business Times. It's a huge online publication. There's no survey required to view the article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Business_Times

Is that a sub rule or reddit-wide? Only admin intervention can remove a post from /r/all.

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Can confirm

I love how you get downvoted for breaking a conspiritard circle jerk with sarcasm

Anti-russian propaganda is the rule on reddit. Say one thing against the Ukraine junta and get kicked off UkrainianConflict. Get downvoted into oblivion with no comments.

I really don't see why /r/conspiracy is so pro-Putin.

I like that RT covers a lot of stories that the MSM won't touch too, but that doesn't make the Russian government into a hero. They're worse than the US government in most ways.

It was wrong to invade and steal part of Ukraine in a unprovoked attack. /r/conspiracy has to be the only place where this sentence would get downvotes.

I really don't see why /r/conspiracy is so pro-Putin.

I don't think people are pro-Putin more against the anti-Russian circle jerk and the fact everything is painted black and white - Ukraine=good, Russia=bad. That's what people are against. This doesn't mean people are pro-Putin. Similarly how often do we hear about the Russian-speaking civilians being killed in Ukraine by the Ukrainian forces and pro-government militias? Never.

I like that RT covers a lot of stories that the MSM won't touch too

Russia Today has excellent journalists and is generally great on what it covers. It falls down not on what it covers but what is chooses not to cover. Could say the same about the BBC although its coverage of things like Gaza and Ukraine is just old-fashioned biased reporting.

It was wrong to invade and steal part of Ukraine in a unprovoked attack.

Are you referring to Crimea? Attacks generally involve use of weapons. You know, like when the US invades countries by bombing them into the Stone age? Russia didn't attack Crimea.

I think a lot people would say that an invasion and land grab is, in itself, a kind of attack. But, to each their own apparently.

invasion and land grab

Well if those who use those subjective words would say it is an attack, yes.

What do the people of Crimea say? There wasn't much resistance. Why is that?

I guess you could ask the indigenous people of the area, the Tartars, just how much they enjoy being ruled from Moscow.

I guess you could ask the indigenous people of the United States, the Native Americans, just how much they enjoy being ruled by the white settlers.

So, you're saying the situations are analogous? That the Russians are stealing the land from and then ruling the local indigenous peoples? Just as the European settlers did in North America? Okay. You make a good argument.

I guess the BBC didnt fill you in on the coup carried out by neo nazi parties backed by US neocons? But screw those stupid people for wanting the right to self determination.

Nope. The BBC didn't fill me in on that. Regardless of the BBC's lapses, I'm quite familiar with the American interference in Ukrainian political stability. As well as the fact that that very interference was seen as open provocation to Moscow. You can leave your self righteous sarcasm in its box for another day.

Crimeans have been wanting to rejoin Russia since the 90s, you can shut your mouth about invasions and land grabs, self righteous and hypocritical tit.

Dear dipshit, just because a part of the Crimean population wants to rejoin Russia, that does not give Russia the right to violate the borders of a sovereign nation and take the land. Please pull your apologist head out of your ass. IF a majority of the population of Crimea want to be Russians, they can Move to Russia. If a million people from Maine want to be Canadian, that doesn't give permission to the Canadian military to move in and take the fucking place. Jesus Christ. Stop for one second and try to use some logic or any semblance of a reasonable understanding of geopolitics. But I guess that would preclude your go-to strategy of pissy sarcasm and name-calling.

Crimea is an autonomous republic, their parliament held a vote to secede. Why don't you bang on about invasions that kill millions of people instead you brainwashed BBC tool.

I think a lot of people want to latch onto whoever spits in the eye of the "flavor of the week" bad guy. Really it's to be expected when you have two huge world powers that can affect so much change at a whim. Popularity is going to swing back and forth depending on who seems more like the evil empire at the moment. Hopefully we all grow up and realize that we can all have our little slice of the world if we quit trying to fuck with the next tribe over, but until then I guess we have to choose between one evil or the other.

Because most of the readers and posters here are relatively new to world events and think that because the U.S. has done some distasteful things, they are the main "bad guys" on the world stage.

Says the user with 1992 in its name.

I'm not sure why that matters. I think what I said is accurate. We have done some very shitty things in pursuing our national interests but that does not mean that our adversaries and rivals, who by most accounts are worse, are somehow noble.

The US makes the Russian Federation look like a saint. Stop drinking the kool aid.

You're wrong on that. There is no excuse for glorifying Russia right now.

Russia hasnt killed 1/10th of the people the US has, bombing, coup supporting, death squad creating fascists and the useful idiots like you who support it need to be destroyed.

Uhh lol. Are you familiar with Soviet history? Because the Soviet Union was completely controlled by Russia and the Kremlin.
Are you calling for my destruction? You're an idiot if you can't see the irony in your statement.

There was a "civil" war in Russia that led to the Bolsheviks taking power, most of them were foreign elements supported by Wall Street bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Russian Federation is not the Soviet Union, you want to talk about history? Dumb cunt.

I see it this way: They are all bad guys. They have to be. Anyone who would claim the moral authority to use violence and intimidation to get people to do what they want them to must be.

That said, I welcome the opportunity for bad guys to fight each other and, hopefully, one or both are unmasked for the world to see.

That said, I welcome the opportunity for bad guys to fight each other

It isn't the 'bad guys' who suffer or even fight. It is the innocent civilians caught up in the mess that suffer. Even most soldiers involved aren't usually 'bad guys' they are just there because they need work or have been forced to fight. The bad guys don't fight. They sit in safety and count their blood-soaked cash. I'm speaking in simplistic terms obviously but this applies to almost all wars.

If you think I'm talking about actual physical violence, then you completely missed the metaphor.

So I'll be more clear about it: I welcome the fight in the "propaganda war" and hope to see them unmask each others' lies.

All evidence points to Putin running /r/conspiracy

Like it was wrong for the US intelligence agencies to rile up the populace to revolt?

I hate it goes in worldnews everyone comments like they're talking to Russia as a person. It's usually just making fun of the county and it's stupid.

The biggest point of those people taking control of the ukrainian conflict subreddit is to stifle any information about the truth of it. What happened in the Ukraine is a textbook CIA coup that popped up after they took away the oil contracts from the west.

The more people are fed bullshit, the more they learn to like it and everyone wanted to go with the feel-good story that it was a "revolution for the people". The sad part is that it was a western takeover of a relatively sovereign country and these idiots who are our fellow citizens seem to not want to learn as country after country topples to this strategy.

I'm all for this shit, but there's 4 other threads about it in /r/worldnews right now and I feel like is a shady site anyway..

none of those are in the top of r/all.

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um they weren't near the top 20, let alone #4.

we're talking /r/all, here.

The original article was horrible. It wasn't even about the CIA reports, it was about China/N.Korea opinion on US human rights problems. This makes it an opinion piece and not really news.

"Yet, despite this, people rarely hear the US talking about its own problems, preferring to be vocal on the issues it sees in other countries, including China."

Its pretty obvious that the reporter is not current with US news, I live in Indonesia and all we hear for the last month is how the US is dealing with the St.Louis police issues.

ya /r/worldnews is famous for its insane mods. redditors almost got the reddit admins to remove the mods, but didn't succeed. any article they don't like they just stamp it as "editorial/opinion" and delete it (because sub rules say no opinion articles). they removed a glen greewald article where he name the names of the top 5 americans targeted by the FBI. it's kind of an ongoing joke that good journalism always gets deleted from /r/worldnews.

Maybe people should stop submitting important news in ways that break the rules of the sub?

No, everything is obviously being controlled by the government.... Mods are being bribed by Obama to remove bad posts! I once heard that Obama himself is a mod in /r/Worldnews

If you don't believe the NSA or CIA has any say over what goes on on Reddit then you're extremely naive. You're probably one of the people who laughed at those that said the government was spying on it's own people. There are ways for the government or government agencies to exert their power in ways other than bribes directly from the government. It already came out in the Snowden leaks that the NSA attempts to influence public opinion through voting and comments on sites such as Reddit and 4chan. It isn't some crazed conspiracy theory, it's proven fact.

if it is gone from /r/all, it has nothing to do with sub rules last time I checked. A post can be deleted from a sub, but it still exists on Reddit, and if it has enough karma, will show up in /r/all.

Or maybe major subs should stop designing "terms and conditions" that allow them to delete anything they please.

If the rules were enforced all the time, that would be different. They are mostly enforced when it is convenient.

No kidding! Just look at this sub as a prime example!

This sub is one of the only places that I would say needs to have more rules, but because of the nature of the sub, they allow almost everything.

So I don't know what you are on about.

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No personal attacks please.

your an idiot

Nice one.

Thanks! Glad you picked up on that!

And the wheels on the bus go round and round

The Wheel of Eternity goes 'round and 'round...

I saw it too. It dissapeared some hours ago...

Nobody has screenshots?

Would that not require foresight? Humbly asking.

Yes

Reddit has jumped the shark. It's a joke website fast slipping into irrelevance. It's parameters are tightly bound by its government handlers.

Exactly, it is amazing how many great things are ruined by handlers with no sense of reality.

I wish more people understood that the people at the top calling the shots are usually old, disconnected from technology and reality, and will just keep pushing something until it becomes like a bad joke that someone just keeps telling and won't let go.

Meanwhile r/reddit is closed for submissions.

I guess the party is over unless you like cats.

I know these comments are usually blasted for being too "reactionary", but are there any reddit alternatives? Every time Reddit's corruption is exposed everyone bitches and moves on like nothig in the hour. If a reddit alternative became more well known then users could threaten reddit with a Digg like exodus and finally have a say in the administration. I mean you could just do a 8chan type thing and use a clone with maybe some new texturing (let's face it reddit isn't the most pretty out there. )

I know your comment is old, but I'm just passing through.

https://voat.co/

That user has comment and link karma that doesn't match today's post karma. so it might be someone who deletes their posts regularly like myself. Just saying (Playing devils advocate)

Yes, it is very clear that the user scrubs their post and comment history.

How is that Devil's advocate? That only enforces my post and the declaration that something sketchy is going on.

Keep doing that and I think the devil will be happy to have you on his side.

2spooky4me

The answer is simple. Someone smarter than me needs to build an extension for RES - or browser addon - which filters posts made by known or highly suspect propagandist accounts.

A list of said accounts is maintained by an impartial body of dedicated and screened redditors. Devise hard criteria for blacklisting (ie. suspicious account traits) and try to keep it from being abused too badly.

Who would be in charge of that screening process?

Well, Reddit is Conde Nast owned, is mainstream media. Believe it.

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r/TIL, r/NottheOnion, and r/pics have all become massive propaganda subreddits.

Uhhh... what? That sub has more anti-American and anti-Western stuff (if you wanted to put it in that light) than it does pre-'West' stuff

You'd think that, with 4000 upvotes and counting, this post would make the front page as well.

Yup, there is some kind of blocker that keeps r/conspiracy off of the front page. I have seen us on the 2nd page, but never the first.

Imagine if this post reached the top of the main page. It would have to open some eyes.

Ironically enough, it did show up on my front page. But that's because I'm an r/conspiracy subscriber.

It did. That's how I got here.

I got a good laugh at the spin doctors spinning against this report on CNN last night.

Notice the extreme focus on WW2, where, even though it is not true, the "We were the good guys and we saved Europe from Hitler." story is still widely believed.

Exactly, people laugh at North Korea, but a lot of the "history" we believe about the US is also laughable. I mean, it is to a lesser extent, but still...

I think it is about the same. Ok, he did not hit a hole-in-one his first time golfing perhaps, but Washington never told a lie? We still don't really understand everything about WW2, our camps for German soldiers after the end of the war were designed to starve them to death, and did so. Perhaps worse than German concentration camps. Not to mention a multitude of smaller crimes of murder.

History is a story we tell ourselves so we can feel good about ourselves or at least not hate ourselves.

Shut it down.

Switch tactics.

Luckily enough, the papers today were absolutely plastered with the CIA story.

Front page on like 6 or 7 just in the convenience mart alone.

So they are replacing news that is bad for the west with anti russia propaganda.

I think one of the biggest tropes I see being repeated is 'Bush didn't know', the reports established the CIA lie, what makes you think they're/the report, aren't lying about bush?

The guys grandfather was a Nazi financier for chris sakes, the people who used the same 'advanced interrogation' techniques, him and his Skull and Bones cronies are all intertwined with the CIA and NSA.

It could also be because that report was from an independent Chinese newspaper that didn't necessarily reflect the opinions of the government, and the title of the post made it seem that way.

It's not an open forum. It's media controlled by the state (perhaps in more subtle ways than CNN, MSNBC, and FOX are) but controlled/manipulated just the same. Don't ever forget that.

Fuck reddit im done with this site. We used to be able to post whatever we want and now it seems we cant do anything. Ive been long watching posts on r/conspiracy 260k subscribers yet pots here are lucky to get 300 upvotes and when they do get a decent amount they get deleted anyway.

"American is neither a suitable role model nor a qualified judge on human rights issues in other countries, as it pertains to be," truer words have never been spoken!

This is why Reddit cannot be your only news source. It's almost comical Reddit thinks this will be swept under a rug. I saw this story on NBC and CBS....The Daily Show etc

NSA is up to it again folks

Reddit has fallen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltXLcooUPJU#t=119

Another good indicator of how far reddit has fallen:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ferguson

Don't forget to visit /r/CoonTown !

It was games in some way shape or form because now if you notice the Russian article is not on the front page now. It was so obvious who cares about something that happened after ww2 I have never heard that fact my life thats that many millions of women were raped they don't teach that in school they don't teach at college.

I was a lurker for a long time and I agree. I use to come to reddit for something up to date, not something on the Today show

Made a similar post about hour before you.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ow5r6/never_mind_cia_torture_them_commie_bastards_raped/

Glad you worded and phrased it better.

The new Reddit, just a cog in the propaganda apperatus.

when the government is afraid of you and does shit like this...you're in a good place...when it's the other way around...it gets to be shitty to live there

Or how this report was released ON THE SAME DAY as ACA goon J. Gruber's testimony before congress.

I wonder how long till this gets deleted?

That's just FUCKED UP! I thought reddit was about informing the masses with out political censorship. Guess I was wrong. Very disappointing.

I did think it was funny that, that article disappeared and was so quickly replaced. And why wouldn't people think the government cares about reddit? Reddit is pretty freaking big.

People need to remember that Conde Naste is a corporation with corporate interests and Reddit is no longer a totally free forum, especially in the default subs and even more especially when stories reach the front page.

Ndaa vote so ya.

Ιn my country that's one of the first reports in the news.

On the front page of every newspaper and top story on news show in the US. Also on the front page of multiple default and other subreddits. This guy is just a jackass.

The post he talking about got removed from /r/worldnews because it was an opinion piece not a news article and there are dozens of other posts at the top about it. The TIL posted claims replaced it is to a completely different subreddit that you wouldn't be allowed to post the CIA story anyway because it's recent news. It's a non-issue.

That's terrible. Heavy moderation of certain stories to make it to the front page? I thought reddit was a place free from interference or biased mods. I stand corrected now.

Its all a distraction! The human mind is "Squirrel" is easily manipulated and molded.

I read the link, I see no connection. Did you post the right one?

reddit ain't manipulated lmao this place sucks its all israel and us propaganda and their shills.

Right... just keep believing that fantasy.

Don't let a silly thing like documented facts get in the way.

fine ill give you that china russia and the rest got plenty of propagandist as well but the USA its NATO satellites including Israel control this site.

/r/redditIStheman

Compare the media coverage on the torture report and it becomes clear that the "conservatives" want all thought of it gone.

The CIA is reastablishing methods that should have never existed. Those medival behaving pieces of shit are there to protect your rights? What a wonderful time to be alive....

This sub is, nvm. Go r/conspiracy.

Dont like it you can always leave.

Yeah I was wondering what was going on yesterday as the CIA report was/is pretty big here in Germany. Didn't saw a single frontpage post on reddit and actually went to /r/worldnews/ to see if there was anything at all or Americans simply don't care. It felt weird.

Please keep reporting this, unfortunately I am not as available as I'd like to be to stay on top of this. Thank you, and I'll upvote everything related to making this universal knowledge! !!

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/conspiratard] Is a news story that&#x27;s been constantly on the front page all week being censored by reddit admins?

• [/r/theIrishleft] &quot;CIA Torture Report...&quot; reaches #4 on front page. Gets deleted. Swaps places with &quot;TIL that the Soviet Army raped over 2,000,000 German women...&quot; posted by 3 year user with no history. (X-Post from r/conspiracy)

• [/r/uncen] &quot;CIA Torture Report...&quot; reaches #4 on front page. Gets deleted. Swaps places with &quot;TIL that the Soviet Army raped over 2,000,000 German women...&quot; posted by 3 year user with no history. : conspiracy

• [/r/mistyfront] &quot;CIA Torture Report...&quot; reaches #4 on front page. Gets deleted. Swaps places with &quot;TIL that the Soviet Army raped over 2,000,000 German women...&quot; posted by 3 year user with no history. (/r/conspiracy)

• [/r/reddit_research] &quot;CIA Torture Report...&quot; reaches #4 on front page. Gets deleted. Swaps places with &quot;TIL that the Soviet Army raped over 2,000,000 German women...&quot; posted by 3 year user with no history. : conspiracy

• [/r/pmmeyourbeesknees] &quot;CIA Torture Report...&quot; reaches #4 on front page. Gets deleted. Swaps places with &quot;TIL that the Soviet Army raped over 2,000,000 German women...&quot; posted by 3 year user with no history.

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I feel like at some point we may need a major protest but on a national scale(might hit pretty hard if we could do it in ALL the state capitols). I'm honestly wondering if it might ever get to that point if it does, what would be the tipping point?

Wait. You want to start a boycott in all of the states capitals....over Reddit?

Reddit is mainstream media. Mainstream media is corrupt in our country.

Now do you understand?

I understood from the beginning. You go do your boycott and let me know how that turns out. Talk to the 99% crowd about how effective that was.

Sorry should've been more clear. I was talking about the whole picture as in what the government here in the U.S. has been doing lately.

I wonder which Admin got the pantshitting phonecall from some Cheney acolyte claiming to have a death squad at his disposal?

Wondered why there was 1,481 users here now. Someone made a double order of shills. How much you think that cost? Is it worth it?

Remember digg.com died due to censorship. Just like before Facebook there was MySpace, friendster group5,so will there be another reddit. As a reddit of six years, it will happen soon.

As of 22:26 central time, I can see torture-related headlines as #1 and #4 on /r/news and #2, #7, and #10 on /r/worldnews.

Not sure what this post complains about. Trending posts get deleted all the time- even from major subreddits.

In /r/technology, for example, almost daily do you see a trending post get deleted for not adhering to the rules. Mods are pretty good at their jobs, but not perfect.

Most of the times the simplest explanation is also the right one.

So what is more simple, that these links documenting government social media manipulation are correct...

or that you are correct, some random guy saying "c'mon guise, nobody cares about reddit".

So what is more simple

Ask yourself that question, not me. What is more simple, that a link to a shitty website gets deleted for breaking the rules of a sub? Or that everything that happens on reddit is because of secret government propagandists disguised as reddit employees? Again, you tell me. If you really believe number two is the more likely one, you need help, bra.

some random guy saying "c'mon guise, nobody cares about reddit".

wat?

I linked you to hard facts proving the existence of "secret government propagandists". So your argument is flawed to begin with.

Mods have a statement?

The sources blocked the text. The link exists, and the first paragraph, but everything else after that is totally blocked. wtf?

I am more concerned about the swap of the posts, and how it can be implicated on even more serious posts

wow

Regarding the no history parameter, what does it mean ? For example, a 7 years account post something with no history, is it an account produced by reddit with fake data, or an account stolen, or something else ? How do you judge the content submitted by such a no history account ?

To me, what is more telling is that the numbers do not add up. So that user undoubtedly is scrubbing their post and comment history regularly.

Either that, or the account was formed recently by a computer program that gave it fake stats.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198074529516

Motherfucker plays a lot of Dota though.

disgusting censorship

"they're worse than us, guys. honest."

Maybe this is why we are seeing all these police brutality stories in the news lately instead of this.

I have even noticed on the default home page (e.g. not logged in) that it appeared articles stayed there much longer than I would anticipate given no activities with it. I always suspected that Reddit was purposely managing this to prevent too many controversial topics from reaching the home page.

If this post can somehow get over 5,000 upvotes it would get on the front page of the "TOP" category on /r/all getting into a somewhat "immortal' category, assuming no reddit manipulation to the queue or the voting.

Maybe you should make a post in the sub about it. I guess the problem is the amount of people in this sub that browse new to destroy us. Could be worth a try though. It would look funny if I posted it, like I was just looking for upvotes. But feel free.

I was just checking to see the TOP queue on /r/all and it seems that 5,000 points is a lock to get on that front page.

Of course assuming no queue and vote manipulation is somewhat of a 'big ask' for reddit these days. I am actually shocked this vote total is so huge, we never see these kind of vote numbers in this sub. Props to you bro'!

Yeah, its nuts. Its funny because right as I was about to post I thought "hmmm, maybe I am going to get harrassed by r/new trolls for posting this, is it even worth it?". Sure am glad that I posted anyways.

The user that posted the thread has been deleted

The account that posted the Soviet Army post is deleted.

There was a seismic shift in control of reddit. You had to notice.

Wanna verify?

Post anti police state or anti government...let the downvotes rein.

What about the Germans who raped around 10 miilion women and children in the east during ww2?

Kids now a days sure love the idea of getting raped

Post this or anything like this on /r/UnbiasedWorldNews. A replacement for /r/worldnews, /r/news /r/POLITIC, /r/politics, It will not get deleted there. We welcome any news story from a legit news site. No censorship of such posts. Up and down votes decide if something should live or die on this site. All are welcome. It is still small, but you will not be censored. Help me grow it into a true replacement for the insulting nanny/dinosaur of /r/worldnews, /r/news, /r/politics.

And this? I look in Alien Blue and see an article about torture in Vietnam on #1. I look in my browser and it's gone. And yes, same user.

Your amazing links no longer link.

What the fuck happened? I was reading the comments on that freaky, upsetting story on the top of the front page about torture by the U.S. few hours ago and now its gone.

Completely gone, not just pushed down.

Who deleted it?

The cool thing about Reddit is it's not very complicated. SOMEONE MAKE A NEW REDDIT AND WORK THROUGH /r/Conspiracy TO POPULARIZE IT.

Also be careful about knowing exactly who helps you do it and analyze each step to avoid infiltration.

Copying the source code is not complicated.

Making the new site worth a damn is extremely complicated.

There's whoaverse.

reddit, the greatest propaganda invention of the 21st century

You guys are insane.

Or you're just to dumb to comprehend ;)

Go watch x-factor and leave these kind of discussions for adultd mmkay

these kind of discussions for adultd mmkay

If I find one I'll be sure to discuss it with them.

Nice to see that rape get some attention!

Reddit admins are simply scum, anyone who bows to pressure to pull an article simply because its showing americans in a compromising position does not deserve to moderate a crack house.

This country needs outed for what it is, a gigantic thoroughly corrupt, morally reprehensible nation that has never stood for whats just, just what will make it money.

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You don't lose karma by deleting posts or threads, and the user that OP is ranting about has obviously deleted their old posts because they have 2000+ comment karma with no comments and double the post karma than the thread gave him

That torture report was on the front page for pretty much the whole of yesterday.

"They're worse than us, guys. Honest."

I like how some people think that North Korea talking shit about the U.S. means anything.

I guess they're trustworthy, though, since they're the leading nation in terms of human rights!*

• ^{According to a study done by N.K. government.}

I like how every asshat on r/worldnews complains about Whataboutism when a person says the US has no moral ground to complain about the "invasion" of Crimea.

But it is suddenly okay to use Whataboutism to defend US torture.

I'm just saying it's stupid to include statements from North Korea, since most of what I see come out of N.K. is literally just lying, propaganda and slander.

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So you don't think scrubbing your history is suspicious?

Anyways, its not like YOU have to be in on the conspiracy. They just happened to take advantage of your post.

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Fair enough. Considering what "normal" is in today's world, being called crazy is a compliment.

Well yes, the soviets did rape German women. But imagine being a russian at that time. Germany attacks you. They come into your village, rape your women, then kill them, along with grandparents, children, sick people etc.. You would be furious too. I know it doesn't justify rape, but only seeing one side of the medallion isn't the best way to have a discussion.

As a person who identifies mostly conservative, and even now thinks certain techniques should be employed (waterboarding), I am appalled at the information found in that report.

If even a fraction of it were true, then we have done something disgusting as a country.

One CNN commentary stated there was "nothing done to the prisoners that hasn't been done to our own soldiers."

...

In the military, you have sleep deprivation, forced marches, and you probably will be gassed at least once (while training with the use of a gas mask), but never... never are they going to puree your food and shove it up your ass.

That is the one that really got me. And it wasn't the only very problematic part of this report.

Hanging prisoners by their arms, dragging them naked down a hallway?

What the fuck have we come to?

If they are willing to torture, then they cannot be trusted to set reasonable boundaries.

We've come to the point that people believe torture, including water boarding, is a-ok.

I have seen countless comments comparing it to pouring water over someone's head.

They just don't get it. Waterboarding literally short-circuits a part of your brain into thinking it is drowning. This is a technique of torture that needed modern scientist and extensive research to even come into creation.

As far as you are concerned. You ARE drowning. It is a mind-trick, but you cannot fool your own mind, it is in control of you.

And hear this part clearly, your brain triggers that you ARE drowning. Not the few moments before drowning where your mind is panicking and thinking "holy shit, I need to breathe or I will drown", past that part. You are drowning. That is the part you are experiencing. The actual dying. As far as your brain is concerned.

It took some evil motherfuckers to even research and come up with waterboarding.

Project Paperclip. They've had this stuff for a while. And yes, it's evil!

The US didn't invent waterboarding. It's a French trick from the early fifties and late forties and applied in their old colonies Algeria and Vietnam.

They cut the balls off a young retarded boy in front of his family for information that is too far gone

I missed that one. Thank you for that image...

The worst part is, no one will see a criminal trial over these abuses.

No. No no no no no. God. I didn't see that I think I need to dig into this report myself.

source? I need to read that with my own eyes.

I'll Google it for source

Google it it's in the report

you believe torture is okay. that's what we've come to. people like you

I don't consider waterboarding to be on the same level as torture, which is dangerous and causes permanent harm or death.

Or are you saying that it is just as bad as cutting off a child's testicles in front of his father?

Edit for a shower thought - I will agree with you on one point. Waterboarding is probably ineffective, for two reasons... Either the subject tells anything the interrogator wants to hear (including false information that sounds right), or he is not affected by the technique and stays quiet.

waterboarding is torture, it's not up to you to decide. making someone think they are dying and instilling incredible pain and fear in them is torture.

Well, I don't know about your qualifications either.

But, I'm sorry. Waterboarding is not anywhere near the same level as the rack or the iron maiden... some of this other stuff in the report is.

We can agree to disagree on the definition, I've already stipulated that whatever you call it, it probably doesn't work, and so we shouldn't use it.

Just because it's not the worst kind of torture doesn't make it torture. A slow car is still a car. It's not about qualifications but knowledge, which you need more of. Go watch videos of people being truly waterboarded. Real soldiers and grown men say it is vile torture. Have you ever really thought about what that means?

You don't know how to accept a fucking win, do you?

I've already said it should stop, why do you feel the need to browbeat me into accepting a definition?

And people wonder why the different political groups hate each other.

One CNN commentary stated there was "nothing done to the prisoners that hasn't been done to our own soldiers."

Huh... as someone who plays world police for decades now and is lecturing the world on what is right and what and what one should do and what not, you should be above that we are only doing to them what they are doing to us, otherwise you are hardly in a position to be on the moral high horse.

Maybe it is just old boring subject nobody cares about anymore. If its something we debated when my old crotchety ass was still in college its a sure bet nobody cares anymore.

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Didn't mean as curriculum but rather as peers, things kids actually care about.

Or maybe the article was taken down because the site contains malware.

Or maybe everything has an acceptable cover-story because we aren't dealing with children.

What is the acceptable cover story? I'm really asking. Are you suggesting the site was "infected" after it hit the front page. The thought had crossed my mind. I just like to offer a counterpoint. Reddits all about discussion and that gets people thinking.

I'm saying that even if the the site did contain "malware", that was just a convenient truth that allowed them to take it down, however....

it was not even taken down for that, according to the comment section of r/undelete, the article was deleted for being opinion/analysis.

And my point is that thousands of articles reach and stay on the front page even though they could be flagged for this same offense. The people in charge of the subreddit are picking and choosing how they enforce the rules and by watching that, a pattern emerges, a clear bias that always favors the US government.

The same opinion articles reach the front page about Putin or Islam, and all of a sudden nobody seems to care about rules being broken.

The other thing to note is the trusted or safe websites would never post anything like this. It just illustrates the amt of control there is over the media. I dont know if any media will ever truly be safe from gov't censorship. This reminds me my wife and I recently watched Anchorman 2. I was very surprised that the main story shows how dumbed down news has become and why some stories get buried.

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Mark Udall is a Democrat.

Democrats lost last election.

This report puts stain on Republicans administration.

How difficult is to connect these 3 dots?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g

www.justice4germans.com

I come to Reddit only for cat pictures.

This is less conspiracy and just feminist agenda. You see this all the time. The most recent example was the post about a woman who worked on apollo and how she saved the mission and invented a phrase. When someone chimed in to correct the post with facts, it was reposted to gloss over the facts. There's a serious feminist agenda on the site now and that's what you are seeing.

Why do you guys always bitch about this shit? This is Reddit. It's not a Democracy. You have no rights here. This is a privately owned website and the owners can do as they wish. Don't like it? Go start your own gig and run it as you see fit.

Youre fucking retarded m8. No wonder why your user name has "cop" in it.

There ya go, that'll solve your concerns here!

le happy liberator

kek

dun dun dunnnn

Fuck the mods. Fuck the government of the united states of america. And fuck the elite and powerful.

So, I followed the links to the original submittion and it was not deleted.

EDIT: I repeat, NOT DELETED. Follow the link from the undelete subreddit and the post is still there, still active. It does NOT have the <deleted> tag that posts get when they are actually deleted. The post simple moved out of rotation after 8-10 hours, ya know, like all posts do in popular subreddits.

It may have lost its front page status, but most posts do within 8 hours, especially on a top subreddit. Its only on small subreddits that dont get many submissions that posts stay "#1".

I dont see any "conspiracy" here at all. Its unsufferable, the amount of "zomg, they deleted a post, conspiracy man" here. How can i possible give credence to "real content" here, when half od the posts here sound like whiny children complaining in kindergarten.

If it is not undeleted then why is it in r/undelete?

Edit: Honestly, how is this user's comment upvoted so high? Look what he wrote:

So, I followed the links to the original submittion and it was not deleted.

Yes, so did I. The link is in the body of my post. A link that goes directly to r/undelete.

I don't get it, is FluentinTypo privy to some kind of magic reddit with different links and different channels? Because the last time I fucking checked, there was only one reddit, only one link (which I posted), and that link only goes one place.

So please explain to me how the hell this comment got 18 upvotes when the user is absolutely and utterly full of shit?

I would even go so far as to say that this user intentionally made this comment to try to distract from the content of this post.

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Ahem. Now click the "undelete" link and you will find the original Worldnews subreddit link where it was submitted and still active, not deleted.

I don't think you understand how deleting works on reddit.

It doesn't actually disappear. It gets taken out of the rotation. It can no longer be found in the subreddit it was posted in, hence "it was deleted".

The link is still active because people are still going to reply to the responses (from the thread) that they receive in their inbox.

Can confirm.

If you copy the title of the original article into the search bar, you will come up with this thread first, then others such as undelete.

Restricting the search to r/worldnews reveals nothing.

No, i dnt think you understand how deleting works....if a post is deleted, it does indeed, still exist, but it will say "deleted" if it was manually deleted, either by the user or the mod. This post was never deleted. It ran its course. Again, no post, especially in popular subreddits, stay in the top 20 for more than 8-10 hours. If its a seldom submitted too subreddit, it can stay in the top 20 for days or months, but nit something like worldnews. The automatically get rotated out.

It didn't run its course. It was deleted from the sub.

I know this for a fact because the comments stopped popping up when sorted by new.

Oh good god, youre insufferable. It was NOT deleted! Now your making up another excuse to "prove" it was deleted when it clearly wasnt. You can still comment on it, you can still sort it, it is still active. If new comments are nit sorting for you, use res so you can see more than 500 comments at a time before you habe to load more.

All posts move up and down in rank all day long. None stay "top" longer than 8ish hours unless its a small subreddit where there is no new content to replace it. Reddit would suck if the algorithm didnt swap out stories. We would be looking at the same shit all day long. How else would a new post get to the top if not for replacing an older one? Jesus, this is standard top 40 radio theory, ala Kasey Kasem. How does this simple concept boggle you so much? Using your "theory" the fucking pi post would still be number one since its commented on/interacted with multiple times a day after two years.

You obviously don't know how this site works.

Insufferable. And yeah.

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Or maybe the commenter you responded to is full of shit and YOU were too lazy to even click on the link in the body of the post. Something that would take literally 1 second, to show you that I linked directly to the post in r/undelete.

But hey, don't let me get in the way while you bash all the members of this sub. You are obviously better than them.

I.. umm.. wut

This stuff right right here is why people don't take this sub seriously.

Bitch you refreshed your page and lost the torture report. It got replaced by a completely different thing.

It's almost like you want to be paranoid.

Riiiiiiiiiii

ght.....

The top comment is about the size of your dick instead of speculation about the alledged coverup! Its a conspiracy within a conspiracy, or a conspira-ception!

No wonder my posts never make it! Reddit are shills for the government!

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You are the 4th comment in a row of people commenting for shits and giggles.

I smell a crosspost to one of the subs populated with useful idiots*.

*not an insult, an actual term

So? It's still a huge topic that everybody is talking about. Whether or not it's on the front page is irrelevant

Its extremely relevant, seeing as how the reddit front page is how millions of people get their information.

Don't underestimate what this place is, the US government certainly hasn't.

Ok, but in the politics, conservative, liberal, worldnews, conspiracy, etc. subs, the discussion is still there and isn't going to be going anywhere. If "they" didn't want you to know, there wouldn't be any posts on Reddit, there wouldn't be any discussions on TV, and there wouldn't have even been a release of the documents.

TPTB know they cannot erase this story completely, but that is not stopping them from going into "damage control" mode.

Why release the documents in the first place?

the government is not totally allied with itself.

I take it as a sign of manipulation.

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Insufferable. And yeah.

If it is not undeleted then why is it in r/undelete?

Edit: Honestly, how is this user's comment upvoted so high? Look what he wrote:

So, I followed the links to the original submittion and it was not deleted.

Yes, so did I. The link is in the body of my post. A link that goes directly to r/undelete.

I don't get it, is FluentinTypo privy to some kind of magic reddit with different links and different channels? Because the last time I fucking checked, there was only one reddit, only one link (which I posted), and that link only goes one place.

So please explain to me how the hell this comment got 18 upvotes when the user is absolutely and utterly full of shit?

I would even go so far as to say that this user intentionally made this comment to try to distract from the content of this post.

I don't understand the significance of this link. Can you explain?

If nobody is big dicked, everybody is big dicked.

What do mean "us"? I don't know what you are talking about.

your an idiot

Nice one.

Yup. It sucks when the band sells out to make money, but they all do it eventually.

It was on FIRE here this a.m. I get my news from reddit, no t.v. From 6 a.m.-2:00 p.m. est I was reading all about it. Tonight, nope.

*fewer

Here you go for anyone who wants to read or download the 528 page CIA Torture Report. I thank Cryptome for putting this up. I'll keep the link up for everyone who is curious.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ox3kf/cia_torture_report/

http://cryptome.org/2014/12/cia-torture-report.pdf

I guess you could ask the indigenous people of the United States, the Native Americans, just how much they enjoy being ruled by the white settlers.

I thought it was so strange that it wasn't on Reddit for me either. I logged on about 3 PM EST and apparently by that time it was already gone. I was amazed that it wasn't on the front page, so I guess I just missed it.

Which is how I came to Reddit in the first place.

Facebook remembers Myspace, but not well enough.

this

Rofl. Member for 3 years, 4k comment karma. Yeah dude im a real power user. Fear my karma!!!

I think it is about the same. Ok, he did not hit a hole-in-one his first time golfing perhaps, but Washington never told a lie? We still don't really understand everything about WW2, our camps for German soldiers after the end of the war were designed to starve them to death, and did so. Perhaps worse than German concentration camps. Not to mention a multitude of smaller crimes of murder.

History is a story we tell ourselves so we can feel good about ourselves or at least not hate ourselves.

Just like Lee Harvey Oswald.

So what is more simple

Ask yourself that question, not me. What is more simple, that a link to a shitty website gets deleted for breaking the rules of a sub? Or that everything that happens on reddit is because of secret government propagandists disguised as reddit employees? Again, you tell me. If you really believe number two is the more likely one, you need help, bra.

some random guy saying "c'mon guise, nobody cares about reddit".

wat?

No personal attacks please.