Good thoughts. I just wished more people thought this way. But sadly most people attack anything that contradicts thier beliefs and it takes age, wisdom, maturity to rise above that.... good luck with that nowadays =(

Hi Dude_wtf_seriously! You know the drill...

...anything that contradicts their beliefs and...

See you around Dude_wtf_seriously! ;)

You're shadowbanned. Sorry :(

Edit: As a bot, I doubt you'll be too concerned. You're a good bot tho.

He is not shadowbanned.

Click on his user name.

Thats odd because i can read his comments.

I approved it!

Serious question, if I can see the comment, doesn't that mean that they aren't shadowbanned? Or maybe I don't quite know how it works.

Just wondering. I saw you say this to someone yesterday too.

Good question.

Because of my mutant mod powers, I have the ability to "see" comments from users that either are new or shadowbanned accounts.

These comments appear "faded" compared to normal users. If you're a mod in any sub, you can see them.

To prevent constant account creation and brigading in /r/conspiracy, new users have to wait a few days before posting to the sub. After that point they're not restricted.

As mods, we can see these new users and their posts. I almost always approve these comments and posts, as long as the poster seems genuine.

However, if a comment is faded out and clicking the user name brings me the dreaded "page not found" screen, I automatically know the user has been shadowbanned.

At this point, I approve the user's comment (as long as it's appropriate, which it almost always is), and then I inform them of their situation.

That's pretty much the limit of what we can do.

One side benefit of shadowbanning (if I understand this correctly) is that the banned user usually doesn't realize that it's happened. I would guess that it might take them a while before they realize nobody is responding to their comments.

This should delay them from setting up a new account for at least a little while.

It's weirdly like sixth sense, except not as much Haley Joel Osmont.

Second serious question, as I'm kinda new here: What does shadow banned mean? I see it used a lot, but really don't understand it.

Thanks.

It's essentially a "punishment" that can only be given by the admins of reddit.

Users can be shadowbanned for a variety of reasons, and they generally have to do with breaking reddit's terms of service, such as brigading, doxxing, and other dastardly deeds.

I think sometimes IP addresses are blocked as well, so newly created accounts from the same location are similarly screwed.

Shadowbanned users can, however, message the mods of any subreddit. These messages are shaded with a reddish pink color that's really obvious.

The /r/conspiracy mod mail is frequently spammed by shadowbanned users.

Sometimes, however, shadowbans are unjust or mistakes. Some users opt to contact the reddit admins, plead their case, and the bans can be reversed.

As it happens, certain "types" have been trying to get me shadowbanned for years now.

But since I haven't broken any rules, their efforts are just silly. The year+ worth of reddit gold I've been given probably helps my account's standing as well.

I hope that clears a few things up. If I got anything wrong maybe someone will chime it and correct me.

Sorry I'm not trying to be dense, and thanks for the reply - but do you mean they are banned in the traditional sense of the word, and their IP is logged to show newly created accounts in the future?

Are banned but can still message admins to over turn it if it was a perceived mistake, as a posed to banned banned where they can no longer use that account?

Are banned from the sub?

Or comments colour is altered to notify admins 'hey look at this guy'?

It's like in the film the Sixth Sense. For a shadowbanned user their account appears normal - they are able post comments and so on, upvote etc. However, nobody else can see them (or their comments) and if you click on a shadowbanned user's comment page you get "page not found". In other words, it might take some time for a shadowbanned to user to even realise they're...dead. Mods, however, see dead people.

It is odd how they dont just delete an account. See with shadow ban you cant send messages either. What you can do is edit comments or posts.

You can also downvote but you cannot upvote. And as a mod you cannot approve your own posts cought by the spam filter.

I have a sb account /u/adhdferret I pissed off a admin got my ass handed to me.

They specifically don't delete the account so as to not make it obvious - shadow bans are incredibly devious.

It was explained to me by another admin it was for bots but works just as good for real users too.

Admin wont go against one of their own either. I find that admirable myself. The ones I know personally are good folks thou. They make decisions together for the most part. And are not the free speech haters some portray them to be.

Just my observation thou.

Maybe not but I don't know how to explain the huge amount of manipulation and censorship that goes on on this site without the admins being at least passively complicit. They either let it happen or they help it happen, I don't really see a third option.

Who knows. I came to the realization that the site is free (not costing us users anything)

Also that its entertainment. Technically they owe us nothing as admin or as owners of the site. So we really cant bitch about it. Now if you had to pay then yes that would be different.

Do you see it another way?

"If it's free, you're the product."

I've accepted this as well - the problem comes because reddit has a reputation (that it's worked hard to cultivate) of being user-driven where posts are voted on organically and peoples' opinions are reflected in the vote totals for comments and posts.

But this is simply fiction. It's not how the site works at all. And in my opinion it says something about the admins that they allow so much corporate shilling and vote manipulation to occur. Maybe I'm imaging it but it's all seemed to have gotten worse since Aaron died.

I started my first account the day they were chasing the boston bomber. I had lurked for two months without an account. So I cant be certian of before that time.

I dont try to weigh in for the sensitive topics (what got me banned) I stick to /r/lego now mostly. I come in here for the rare ufo post. Personally getting tired of all the politics and police posts.

This is more controversial news sub then conspiracy anymore. The majority of people post something and never comment on it themself or weigh in about how they feel on what they posted.

Or they have nothing but a history of submissions and no comments. I dont like that myself.

I dont try to weigh in for the sensitive topics (what got me banned)

See? This is the exact purpose for those bans.

Ahhhhhhhhhh!

Thanks for the explanation!

Off topic a little, why do we have to wait 7 mins to comment that's so frustrating when you read so many interesting posts

lol that's a bot.

Ypu are not shadowbanned. I can see you.

Nothing offends me. If it's honest inquiry, how can it be offensive?

And at this point, I've changed my mind about soooo many things that I thought I "knew for sure," that I feel plenty ready to change my mind again if the evidence warrants it.

Great comment!

Are you Jew-wise, anti-Christian, and basically paleoconservative yet?

Nope, not anti-Christian. Should I be?

Don't know what Jew-wise and paleoconservative are.

It's newspeak for "This is a loyalty test".

anti-Christian aka Christian-wise

Hm, if you don't know how to use a search engine you're probably never going to get there.

Christianity is a false religion designed to destroy true spirituality. It is a religion designed to make the "Gentile" a slave who worships the Jewish false god Yahweh, a sacrificial lamb for his demonic lordship.

this cointelpro crap is so obvious and bad, get another sock puppet and try harder.

Worship the demonic false god Yahweh all you like....

I considered myself a Christian at one time and even spent a brief time as a missionary. But that was 40 years ago and I've long since found a form of spirituality that I absolutely love and highly recommend. It's called Pathwork.

Good for you (seriously). Not sure I buy the idea that we consented to come here to this slave world- after all, as above so below. But at least you're not worshiping the devil like billions of others!

WRT the paleo-conservative thing, you might be interested in my comment from a few days back:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2oqgey/anyone_else_notice_that_establishment_media/cmprfb6

Well said. Cultural Marxism attacks white heterosexual men who don't cut off their penises ("cisgenders") as they are the biggest threat to the NWO. Traditional values are also under attack. It's all quite "progressive".

You know what I've always wondered about the Jesus story, if they could place the door on the tomb, why couldn't a group of people just come back after the fact , move the door again, and removed the body and hey presto - he's achieved apotheosis.

Kinda like Jesus being the first false-flag?

When you find out when the New Testament was written and collated into a single "book" you will realise that literally everything in it is a work of fiction. Jesus was not a real person, just like Sherlock Holmes was not a real person - a pure work of fiction. There is no historical or documentary evidence that a Jesus of Nazareth (or any other character in the New Testament apart from Herod) existed from the supposed lifetime of this person.

Nazareth didn't even exist as a Roman territory in the time Jesus was supposedly born.

the god of peace and love has left such a very high body-count throughout history, hasn't he...

He told us he was God and we believed him. SMH

Gnosticism is not real

Yahweh is still an evil entity.

Yahweh is made up and used to be a Pagan god in the canaanite/levantine pantheon (a splinter from the Mesopotamian pantheon).

What you define as 'entity' determines how true your comment is

Maybe. Whether extradimensional spiritual entities exist is debatable.

Not really, archaeology is pretty evident. Thousands of years of evidence sorta paints a chronology of evolutionary ideas... especially when ideas are used for political reasons because then there is behavioural evidence too.

None of this excludes the existence of spiritual or extradimensional beings.

Yea you're right, it just excludes man made gods like Yahweh or other manifestations of the Abrahamic god.

We have no way of knowing whether Yahweh is rule. Considering how intricate the plan has been, it would not surprise me if it is not of human origins.

I'm trying to explain to you that we do have a way of knowing, it's called Archaeology and/or Anthropology. There is obvious evidence dictating his evolution from a pagan canaanite god... that came from a mesopotamian god.... those gods were worshipped and attributed man-made manufactured qualities based on the behaviour of the time... however...

not of human origins.

This is where you're actually spot on; most of the pagan deities from antiquity were derived from astronomical interpretation - The peoples of that ancient far eastern civilisation used the stars and the night sky as basis for their theologies. :)

That may even be the most likely interpretation. However, I tend to think of Yahweh and Ra as the same evil spiritual entity, who goes by many names. Whoever he may be, he is the great deceiver. If he exists. That he does, I am not certain. But there is evidence that some evil force does exist that is beyond the flesh.

Astrology does interest me. And it seems that the "elite" are quite infatuated with it, and with the gods as well. Lots of things indicate that astrology/astronomy is a lot more important to our everyday lives than science might have us believe.

what is real?

hehe just a word

I meant to say gnosticism is just as invalid as christianity or any other political motivated ideology, because that's what it was.

from what i know its more relevant than Christianity... but all rigid organized dogma is to be avoided. cast your net, take the good leave the bad.

no not at all

How familiar are you with ancient history/archaeology/politics (both greco-roman and far east)?

You sorta need to know the political systems of the past or else you just won't understand any evidence or specifics. If you're not aware that, for example: jesus is made up and mostly pagan, zoroastrian and political attributes (augustus + flavian dynasty mainly) etc. you're going to have difficulty understanding the political relevance.

The Gnostics were sort of the political equivalents to... truthers or maybe humanists! I say political as in how they operate not their beliefs. A tiny minority reformist group that stands against the accepted immoral, unjust etc. but is still sorta corrupt, filled with bullshit, money scheming etc.

Just as dogmatic as the rest, just not as hazardous.

Yes! Christianity in its early stages was a fairly populist movement of individual 'spiritual' activity (or at least locally decentralized with an evangelical) but the establishment of the many archbishoprics around the Mediterranean later on created regional dogma, which was then polarized between East and West (Roman Catholicism).

By the schism, pretty much all dissenting sects not conforming to the dialectic were wiped out and their texts for the most part too. Regardless of whether any of these sects were 'right' doesn't matter, it just shows that the same divide and conquer strategy has been used in every age and for every nonconformist movement.

Mmmyea exactly. Basically as you explained it, early christianity was actually a Caesarian cult trying to convince jews that the flavian dynasty were their messiah... as imaginable that didn't go down too well so they had to heavily change it's dogma in order for it to convert a large number of levantine people. However it was always just a roman controlled sect of generic judaism until much later when someone (before constantine, speculated to be a political body (oligarchs) linked to the old Mithras cult, based on political mannerisms and such there is a hint of some persian involvement too) completely changed it. They introduced new mythology, incorporating new rituals and beliefs based on other local religions (paganism, zoroastrianism, mithrazism etc.). This is also when their founder 'st. paul/saul' and messiah 'Jesus (Yeshua)' first appears (about 100-150ish years after their apparent existence, leading archaeologists to believe they were both made up.

i meant as in: more scientific than fairytale

Oh! righteo!!! yes they most definitely were! Especially in regards to psychology!

Now we just need mods who don't ban first and find a reason later. Or curse at users and tell them to "Fuck off".

I think more asswipes should get banned from this sub.

Word.

How does one ban a mod, though?

Good question.

Well, the moderators don't apply the rules equally to all users. I personally have been targeted and warned for BS twice. I started reporting a lot of users for personal attacks after I was told that even calling someone "ignorant" is a personal attack (if I do it at least), but they are almost never warned, even though their attacks are far more offensive, proving I was targeted specifically. The moderators aren't really doing their jobs. Worse, they're targeting users like me who they disagree with instead of applying the rules fairly. They are even changing the enforcement of the rules specifically to attack me. They also don't seem to believe they have any accountability whatsoever. I was hoping /u/Ambiguously_Ironic would stand up against these obvious abuses as he seems honorable, but apparently not.

References:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2o3ity/the_jews_are_a_parasitic_group_that_purposely/cmkmsbk?context=3 (this thread was vote-manipulated by SRD)

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2om38r/race_doesnt_matter/cmopf1y?context=3

I may disagree with you but no I will not target you unfairly. I've watched you and yes you do follow the rules of the sub (generally). That's all we ask.

Edit: Sorry can't do anything about the SRD brigade. They actually target me...

Thank you.

Well, the moderators don't apply the rules equally to all users.

Correct. There's the quantitative application of some rules (where almost anyone will get the ban hammer if they do "such and such") and qualitative application (where other factors get weighed as well and sometimes the ban hammer won't get dropped on one user where it would on another).

I was told that even calling someone "ignorant" is a personal attack (if I do it at least), but they are almost never warned

Well...that's...weird, and I wonder if there is more to the whole situation than being warned simply for calling someone "ignorant"...because I myself can be a fucking flllaaaaaring asshole on here (lol), and even though I've been warned before, I think I would have been banned a LOOOONG time ago if calling someone "ignorant" was a bannable offense...cuz I've called many people a LOT more than just "ignorant". lol

but they are almost never warned, even though their attacks are far more offensive, proving I was targeted specifically.

Ohhh. Wait a minute...I just noticed your user name. I think you and I might have gotten into a bit of a "spat" not too long ago (if I remember correctly - which I may not, since there are literally SOOO damn many people that I get in online "spats" with) and I think I remember feeling that you were being pretty nit pickingly antagonistic...or something.

I don't know. Again, I don't really remember what the conversation was even about - and really I don't even care, in all honesty - but, if (again) I'm even vaguely remembering correctly, I think your approach to conversations with other people on here is generally antagonistic in nature...even if you're not specifically calling people bannable things, you know?

As such, I think you might fall under the "qualitative" parameters I mentioned above.

That being said, the moderators AREN'T by any means perfect, so it's not like I'm sticking up for any individual in particular here. I'm just calling the shots as I personally see them.

They are even changing the enforcement of the rules specifically to attack me.

There are a few immediate perspectives with regard to this possibility:

• They are and that is indeed pretty fucked up.

• They're not, and you're 1) a pretty shitty user, and 2) being a bit paranoid.

I'm not saying which one it is, as I don't know for sure myself (so don't get upset or offended, because I'm not saying that the second option is necessarily the case), just saying that there are different sides to every story is all.

Im blunt and that offends people so they respond with hostility and I respond in kind. I am also fed up with sheeple who for example try to make everything about cops a racial issue of evil whitey vs innocent black while simultaneously ignoring legalized discrimination against whites (affirm action). That is one contentious topic. Others are leftism and the jewish question.

In a past life we were friends. In this incarnation I dont know that we are enemies. I doubt im the user you had words with as I respect you quite a bit.

Im blunt and that offends people so they respond with hostility and I respond in kind.

I didn't feel it was your being "blunt" that was an issue. I think it was something else - though I don't remember what. It wasn't the bluntness. It, I think, might have been either sarcasm or some snarkiness or whatever.

Either way, it's all good. Not worrying about that at this point at all.

I am also fed up with sheeple who for example try to make everything about cops a racial issue of evil whitey vs innocent black while simultaneously ignoring legalized discrimination against whites (affirm action).

But one should definitely understand and keep in mind the law of balances. If you have group A that takes advantage of group B for generations, and you want to make some attempt at balancing that horrendous imbalance that A was responsible for, then you actually have to institute various programs designed to RE-balance B in such a manner that they are now given opportunities that they weren't given before; opportunities that A might not get...but that's only because A started off in a position of power and authority that B never had ever at all.

Does that make sense?

It's, in one sense, imbalanced and "unfair" that B gets certain concessions that A doesn't, but the reason that B gets those particular concessions is because A is advantaged overall to an extent that B has never been in the first place.

That is one contentious topic.

When one doesn't think about it too deeply, I guess it does and would seem like a contentious topic. However, when one looks at the issue objectively, one understands more that there is a great imbalance that is trying to be re-balanced, and, as such, things end up being similar to how things are now regarding this issue.

Others are leftism and the jewish question.

I don't know much - and don't care to know much - about the whole "right" v "left" thing. I think it's all bullshit and they're both two hands on the same evil, manipulative machine.

And as far as the "jewish question"?...is that a topic that, as you say, you get "fed up with the sheeple who..."...who what? Who talk about it? Just trying to get an idea of what you mean here is all.

In a past life we were friends.

In a past life we may have been friends. We can be friends in this life too.

In this incarnation I dont know that we are enemies.

In this incarnation, we are definitely NOT (cannot stress that enough).

I doubt im the user you had words with as I respect you quite a bit.

Namaste, my brother.

Much love to you,

Does that make sense?

No. The system does not rebalance anything. It punishes innocent people like me who never had slaves for being white. That is not justice. Justice is easy - the people are just stupid. Injustice is not justice no matter how you twist it, that should really be obvious.

I don't know much - and don't care to know much - about the whole "right" v "left" thing. I think it's all bullshit and they're both two hands on the same evil, manipulative machine.

Yet leftism still exists and it is a major problem especially for Redditards.

Take care.

No. The system does not rebalance anything. It punishes innocent people like me who never had slaves for being white.

The punishment you experience is likely almost nothing compared to that which many African Americans do as a result of the endemic, violent, oppressive, and institutionalized racism and slavery that was set in motion from as far back as the initial forming of the United States and is still very much existent today.

Not saying you or I or whoever else who isn't African American doesn't experience difficulty, but about the only race in America worse off than the African American race is the native population. America is still an EXTREMELY racist country...in an extremely racist world.

That is not justice.

What continues to happen every single day today to African Americans is even less justice - and it is a result of, again, the endemic violence and racism that they have been subject to since they arrived in this country.

Justice is easy - the people are just stupid.

Once the facts of a case are laid out, justice can indeed be or seem easy. People often do seem stupid. Things are pretty complicated, however.

Injustice is not justice no matter how you twist it

I cannot agree more, and what Europeans have been responsible for is an injustice that runs so multi-generationally deep that it will not and has not gone away just because a few decades have passed.

that should really be obvious.

It is. Very.

Yet leftism still exists and it is a major problem especially for Redditards.

And so does rightism - or whatever tf one calls it.

Meh.

Yes yes yes all the race baiters believe blacks have it worse than whites because of racism I am aware of this delusional thinking.

Wow. You seriously think that the African American race doesn't have it about a million times worse than the European race in this country? In this world?

That's just...really sad thinking on your part, man. Seriously.

Either way, it ultimately doesn't matter because we should ALL simply put aside our bs indoctrinated "isms" and come together as the ONE human race that we most definitely are. TPTB make sure and keep the majority of the population at odds with one another and make sure that people are kept antagonistic toward one another through race, religion, financial and sociological tags, etc, etc.

It really is all bullshit, and so long as you or me or anyone continue to think that any one race should be favored above any other, we are ALL losing regardless of who we are.

Wow. You seriously think that the African American race doesn't have it about a million times worse than the European race in this country? In this world?

Not due to any racism, no. Nor do I really think it's valuable to try to compare the discrimination against whites in the media, educational system, etc. and affirmative action, to the discrimination against blacks.

Wow. You seriously think that the African American race doesn't have it about a million times worse than the European race in this country? In this world?

Not due to any racism, no.

Okay wait a minute. You don't think it's due to racism. This implies, however, that you DO think that African Americans DO have it a lot worse than Europeans (just not "due to racism").

What?

Nor do I really think it's valuable to try to compare the discrimination against whites in the media, educational system, etc. and affirmative action, to the discrimination against blacks.

In one sense, I don't think it's valuable at all either. I'd prefer to not compare ANY racism of ANY people, as I feel we're all ONE PEOPLE AND ONE FAMILY. However, I think it's even more important to make sure and stomp racism out entirely first...and you can't stomp it out without first ACKNOWLEDGING ITS EXISTENCE...and you can't acknowledge the existence of the horrible racism that exists against African Americans by spending too much if any time trying to make it seems like Europeans have it worse (!?!? Wut? lol).

No one's saying that Europeans don't have problems. We ALL have problems. However, in terms of the issue of racism in the United States, there are two groups that have had it worse than ANYONE - the natives and African Americans - and anyone even TRYING to say otherwise just...simply is NOT paying any attention to almost anything whatsoever.

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Fuck off, you moron. This conversation is over.

SMH, racist.

Somehow you don't realize that you're the one arguing for racially divisive discriminatory policies and comparing discrimination levels, asserting that "blacks have it A MILLION TIMES worse (e.g. whites should not complain) OMG" which is divisive. Equal treatment is the only answer, but that is not what you want, you want disparate treatment, you want to continue discriminatory practices such as affirmative action.

And I'm the bad guy.

A major restructuring and rebalancing of the extremely racist and imbalanced system we live in as is what is needed. Affirmative action isn't the answer. Never said it was. Never even mentioned that place.

Anyone who thinks Europeans have it as bad as African Americans is missing the boat pretty absolutely, however.

Whites shouldn't be discriminated against.

Blacks shouldn't be discriminated against.

Asians, Aborigines, natives, etc, etc shouldn't be discriminated against.

But one should definitely understand and keep in mind the law of balances. If you have group A that takes advantage of group B for generations, and you want to make some attempt at balancing that horrendous imbalance that A was responsible for, then you actually have to institute various programs designed to RE-balance B in such a manner that they are now given opportunities that they weren't given before; opportunities that A might not get...but that's only because A started off in a position of power and authority that B never had ever at all.

This in no way undermines my point. It actually fortifies it. Thanks for quoting me.

This isn't rocket science, you supported affirmative action discrimination with your comment. How about a little honesty?

A major restructuring and rebalancing of the extremely racist and imbalanced system we live in as is what is needed.

Very true. The system is racist against whites, legally. We should remove the racism against whites.

Get over it, man. The system is racist against EVERYONE, and whites - as much as they've been disadvantaged here and there by the real PTB above everyone (including them) - are pretty much the biggest perpetrators of racism in the entire planet.

Respond if you like. This conversation is really over at this point and I simply won't read - let alone respond back - to much of anything else you say. Your true colors - extremely distorted and myopic as they seem to be - have gotten extremely old and stale. I'm done.

Yawn.

whites - as much as they've been disadvantaged here and there by the real PTB above everyone (including them) - are pretty much the biggest perpetrators of racism in the entire planet.

Lol. Brainwashed sheep.

Get over it, man. The cry of the retarded liberal who hates whites but won't admit it.

Don't say "peace" when you're fomenting war, hypocrite.

Either way, it ultimately doesn't matter because we should ALL simply put aside our bs indoctrinated "isms" and come together as the ONE human race that we most definitely are.

Impossible as long as we think discriminating against whites is going to solve blacks' problems.

Who the fuck is thinking that though?

YOU maybe/apparently?

What?

I don't even...

affirmative action, you, silly

no point

they have hundreds of alts

its e z tho, quick look at their history. even if the acc's months/years old

I say just keep banning the new alts. That's just me though.

That was somewhat tried awhile back. Iirc around 80-85k subcount. I think what they did was require an account be at least 30 days old in order to post or something like that.

Not sure if it worked or not. I've been around since aprox 45k subcount so I've seen some shit go down in this sub and these days everything just seems really calm and mellow to me.

Well if it's still working and well as you say that might be why everything seems so calm and mellow to me.

Sounds pretty decent, and sounds like what I thought/expected would happen via that 30 day method BGL mentioned.

require an account be at least 30 days old in order to post or something like that.

Seems like a decent idea to me. Of course there will be many that will get their panties in a wad about that. Good. That's likely an indicator that they want to be able to post whatever they want from sock puppets - preventing which is the whole point of instating that rule.

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What?

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The reason I said "What?" is because I don't understand what you're even trying to say.

Try it again...or not. Meh.

Thanks for clarifying. What an idiot. Supporting the mods or not is not even the issue here. I support the idea of banning shill and troll accounts. Simple as that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ox5av/controversial_even_for_us/cmrrxp6

obvious ones should always be banned asap imo. force them to be at least a little subtle about it. some are already of course. the techniques they employ have certainly evolved over the last year or so. for instance often you will see them use the "i agree with blah but..." or "i would never say blah but..." and they hardly ever try to go against the flow re:911 any longer.

nobody was banned first and a reason found later.

Not from the AMA. Other times, though. It's ok, though. You're in charge and can run this sub any way you want.

I have seen your activity here over the last few weeks an it is clear to me your only goal is to derail conversation

I can assure you it's not.

whelp, I'm convinced.

Why are you on this sub? Looking at your comment history you don't believe in the NWO, you don't believe the government carried out 9-11, Boston bombings, sandy hook and think man made global warming is real. You are a redditor for 1 month and all you post is comments to slate any conspiratorial topic without any factual basis.

You are just a troll and a disinfo shill

tldr: he is a prime example of the type that should have been banned weeks ago

The mods seem to prefer to resort to warning users like me for baloney while letting obvious anti-conspiracy trolls slide:

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ox5av/controversial_even_for_us/cmruhaq

You are just a troll and a disinfo shill

What disinformation have I spread?

"Chemtrails" have been debunked and now the concern is geoengineering. Geoengineering has been discussed for years, but this sub is WAY behind on the discussion. If you're interested in the topic, head to r/science or r/environment.

An example of your disinfo nonsense you wrote

Ofcourse chemtrails has been debunked and you are right I'm not clued up at all. I should go to r/science where I can read about how vaccines are good for you and r/environment where we must do something to stop climate change cos 5000 scientists agree about it and the world will be an oven in two years time!

Please don't waste your time with me and I do have a good scientific background.

I do have a good scientific background

So use it.

You should be glad you're not shadow-banned after the way you've been behaving recently

Have I been a bad little girl?

It seems you have. :)

Nice post, I think everyone gets into this thinking most of the time. I think an annual reminder like this is worthy.

Removed from conspiracy? Alas, the hypocrisy of it all.

False equivalency? Just because a known or obvious trolling account is banned does not mean its some sort of conspiracy. If you read the side bar, it explains both ;conspiracy' and 'theory.' Neother of which have to do with troll account removal. Perhaps if the idea of a troll account was anyone not following a certain narrative, but that's not the apparent case.

Thing is, there are known conspiracies on reddit to censor certain topics - its not that hard to see really. This sub however, is not one of them.

In violation of the rule that was added a little over a year ago to enable mods to ban whomever they please. Not only that but you've been accusing specific users of shilling and brigading so I guess you can just ban yourself now. Or are mods exempt from rule 10?

Am I missing something? Are you referring to the AMA for tomorrow? Latest AMA to me means to me something that already happened, but that could be misinterpretation on my part. And its so, I apologize.

Ah, I gotcha. That post is gonna get an incredible amount of heat. Wishing you the best of luck, Flytape. You guys are gonna need it.

I'm sorry, I'm behind. What AMA is tomorrow?

Thanks!

And if you do become that troll, don't be offended a second time if you get removed from the conversation.

Is that a indirect threat of more stringent moderation? Honest question.

I hope dearly that remains the case. Some of us haven't forgotten the 9000sins Kerfuffle.

social pressure to not offend anyone

That right there is a huge statement that I see happening more and more. People are too chicken shit to stand up and speak their minds when they think people will judge them for it. Totally ass backwards when it comes to moving anything forward.

I'd personally like to take this opportunity to thank the Mods for their hard and thankless work - another 'free thinker'

Longtime subscriber, occasional contributor, and ethnic Jew here.

I fully support the mod team's decision to host this AMA. Free speech and open inquiry are dangerous principles to uphold in this age of ever-expanding thoughtcrime. It takes courage to do what you're doing.

And for all of you shills, useful idiots, and collective offense-takers, go fuck yourselves. This Jew is #notyourshield.

Great post STB!

There are song lyrics in here somewhere.

Really well said.

I agree. I enjoy questioning theories to test their merit under scrutiny. Some people aren't fond of that, but questioning is all part of an honest discussion. Scrutinizing is part of honest discourse. And anyone who questions the ideas here is called a shill or something similar. That is not ok because as soon as you start calling people shills, the conversation can go no farther. If name calling is the first response, then the theory probably doesn't hold much water. Discussion is the key.

And anyone who questions the ideas here is called a shill or something similar.

This is simply not true. The people who get called shills are the ones who are trying to deny, denigrate and stymie discussion of alternatives to the official version of events.

There's a difference when you pin it to the top and force feed everyone. Especially when most comments are voicing concern and instead you just banned people.

Just step down already. Your bud Axol too. Blinded with power

You can tell the intent of a person when they can't post something without calling someone retarded or stupid. No one wanting to discuss anything leads with an insult.

Wow, yet another 3 month old account. Is it me, or is this starting to become a pattern I am noticing in a lot of these accounts of the overly-disgruntled?

Maybe I am just all wrong and it is just a coincidence that when I click on the account information of people like yourself who seem to be battling this subreddit that they seem to ALL be 3 months old.

I am sure I got it all wrong...right?

I actually think you're right on the money.

When were those fake ae911truth and richard_gage accounts created again...?

Yeah most of the 'offended' pro-censorship accounts, Ive never seen here before.

It's because all of our mains got banned around when the Hitler doc was stickied and we dissented against that bullshit. Which was 3 months ago.

Hear hear

I subscribed to r/bizzareconspiracy to help out with some of the stuff you describe, but wish this subreddit, with its many more subscibers, would act like this.

A point that needs to be made is the contradiction between the sentiments of "up or down vote everything you see here" and "if you don't like it, go somewhere else."

I know there are content rules overall for the sub, and I understand that your post here is probably geared more towards the comments and the conversation, however the lines that still seem to exist (unwritten or overt) seem to me to be hurting the sub almost as much as the shills.

In my opinion, we need more detailed conversation. So when a post comes up that says something like "9/11 was done by Echelon with holographic planes from satellites in outer space," down vote it sure, but put forth evidence in the comments to correct the person to a more likely theory.

If we just abolish every post that leans a little too far out there, those people (if they're NOT shills) will leave us, rather than be educated on the scientific method and realistic speculation.

tl;dr: If we get too overzealous, we'll likely lose members and end up looking like the neck beards we're trying to fight against.

The problem as I see it is that all conspiracies are not created equal. Conspiracies that turn out to be true ("Hey, we're torturing a lot of people") obviously have more legs to stand on than the more far out ones ("Hey, does this look like an Alien spaceship?")

In my opinion, the more "serious" conspiracies are hurt by being grouped in with "less serious" conspiracies (however every user of this sub might have a different list for what is and isn't a serious conspiracy)...

Most the people complaining are just shills pretending to be one of us

They aren't patient enough, that's what gives the game away, actually I'm getting a bit too close to giving them tips, I'll stop.

Most the people complaining are just shills pretending to be one of us

Not one to judge, but is this comment by /u/lucycohen a violation of rule 10, or does it only apply to accuse mods? Serious question. I have nothing against the user, but if you're going to 'warn' someone you need to do it universally. Otherwise you're being hypocritical. Just sayin.

Edit: a word

There is a big difference between attacking specific users or this sub as a whole, and making a general statement about new accounts. Also, if you haven't noticed, each time a ban happens, they get other users who come in here saying "lol hypocrites" and so on.

While everything you stated may be true, my point still remains.

if you're going to 'warn' someone you need to do it universally.

Not one to judge, but is this comment by /u/lucycohen a violation of rule 10, or does it only apply to accused mods? Serious question.

I responded to that. I'll let the mods speak for themselves about warnings. It seems to me that you're just trying to find a reason to be angry. The mods already give trolls too much leeway. I personally think all trolls should be banned.

It seems to me that you're just trying to find a reason to be angry.

Maybe... I'm honest enough to admit that it has been a bad day and I might be interpreting things in a negative light. That being said, it still seemed hypocritical to me. But that is just my opinion, and what's that really worth?

Not to mention the vote brigading

You banned my main dude obviously my account is young

I'm not sure, I asked and received no reply.

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How the fuck does that violate rule 10? You're a joke dude.

Uh oh! I think me calling you a joke just violated rule 10. Better ban this account too

You don't tolerate nonsense unless you're the one spouting it or it's stickied to the top of the sub. Got it

Yeah. So incriminating.

This is what's wrong with rule 10.

Uh, excuse me?

I don't know you. Who is this 'us'?

The real experts of this sub, not the shills

I'm almost positive my point is still lost on you.

Before posting that I checked through your posts and you seem like a good poster

Don't include me in "us" if expert is the expectation :P

The only thing that offends me is the willfully blind.

Right on Flytape! I do enjoy watching you handle all the shills in fine fashion. Very entertaining!

He's solid!

What? We are complaining about you and axol_p pushing Holocaust revisionism by pinning an AMA at the top of this sub, right after faking a Richard Gage AMA, and you're the same mods who threw up a red hitler poster and hitler revisionist doc during 9/11. You banned multiple users including me for calling out these failures as mods. Your judgement is poor and the power you hold is too much for you and your buddy.

Discussing topics is different than pinning shitty holocaust AMAs after faking a Gage AMA. You cussed me out and gave me zero warnings before banning me and others.

This thread is mere cover for your reputation after the other mods reversed your decision.

Derailment avoided +1 resistance to bullshit attained

You in Eglin Airforce Base?

Do you really think I'm a shill? Really?

There's a 1% chance that you're some form of random troll and 99% that this is your job

Blood for the blood god! Skulls for the skull throne!

Well..considering the jews being involved in er thang and its always considered controversial says a lot about it being more than likely true? I dunno about yall but it sure seems like a hot button issue. Otherwise I agree we should remain open minded about a lot of stuff since we can be.

/r/Conspiracy isn't special for having people that don't like the community...

look at /r/guns, which has a dedicated hate subreddit for it. Look at what's happened in the gaming community, with /r/PCMasterRace constantly getting caught brigading and /r/games users actively bashing on /r/gaming users.

Look at /r/subredditdrama, which gets hate from all over reddit (for good reason...but still). Look at /r/gonewild, too, which I've heard is the subreddit with the most interventions from the admins over death threats and harassment.

Other subreddits have people that hate them, but no subreddit is so quick to ban then /r/conspiracy. At least from what I've seen.

The trolls and shills are definitely on the increase but as long as the mods don't start censoring content because it's offensive to our new friends then I'm happy.

Agreed, the US military are desperate to get this place censored and put their own mods in place

I don't want to jump on the band wagon witch-hunt against the mods (cos I don't think it's productive) but I too had been banned from this sub (old acc), as a result of 'disagreeing', this is a genuine issue and should be addressed.

um what? think you mixed something up

From your attitude and they way you talk to the people in this subreddit it does seem you have a chip on your shoulder or just immature. Why are you constantly arguing with the people in the subreddit you mod? Does this not strike you as a problem? It's just getting pretty ridiculous.

"I was wrong, this changes everything." When you speak or hear those words, progress is being made.

Gawd damn can't agree with you more here, sir.

Here, here. I'm glad you made this OP.

Good work, sir.

Swing that goddamn ban hammer!!

all in favor of banning /u/no1113 from /r/conspiracy ?

ay

^ay

What? And why would you want to ban me from this sub?

lol

joke bro

Given the number of upvotes you got, there area a number of people that are indeed in favor of banning me from this sub.

haha yea , i upvoted too..

its a joke

20 second look at your history and one can tell youre a quality fucking user

keep on keepin on

sorry, just trying to make humor happen

No worries, bro. Totally okay.

Cheers,

!=]

Valid point, fly tape.

I think I have done this in the past before, and I've gotten a lot better about that kind of thing. Just because I think something doesn't mean that I'm correct because my ego tells me that I'm right. I think a lot of people suffer from that.

Anyway, I will do my best to keep this kind of thing down on my part.

Well done flytape and axl, once you guys get removed Im quiting reddit, and its only a matter of time before the conde nast hacks censor this subreddit.

Yes, they are the ones who keep this place going

i think we all know the type that would feign offence, nay horror, at the thought of a david cole ama......

Is there a difference between me being "offended" by Sandy Hook "twoof" and simply thinking that Sandy Hook Twoofers are fucking retarded?

NOTE: This post may be controversial, even for you. But that's why /r/conspiracy is here.

continue to disparage

For example?

There is no reason at all to be insulting to someone because you disagree with them. I think religion is largely bs, but I don't go around calling believers retarded.

So this is what breaks reddit? pumping spaghetti into someones asshole is the limit?

OH what can we do to eliminate all this human error...

controversial? lol no, its fucking retarded. most of what you list is fucking retarded too. the truth is most of you seem too stupid to discuss real issues, so this is the bullshit you are obsessed with...

or maybe you just want to talk about jews and you think everyone is too stupid to realize you are just a racist in a trailer park? huh?

Why wasn't I warned?

Instead you cussed me out and protected your friend axl_p from my upvoted concerns by banning me.

You guys do realize there is literally nothing you can do here right? You could somehow prove half the mods here are Zionist Jewish Nazi black presidential cabinet members.

It would do nothing, you have no power other than creating something else and not coming here anymore. Which still wouldn't really do anything because you won't get even 25% of people to leave here. No power whatsoever.

They've already said in plain English 'i will not step down as mod. It will not happen.'

So what exactly is all of you guys game plan here with this?

They will be gone soon.

I don't think you get it. At all.

Ok

Pseudo edgy cryptic messages don't mean shit when you have absolutely no power. Sorry.

Ok

so you can attack a race, but then bully people with your mod powers when they call you out on it? Oh my lord that is hilarious! Im surprised anyone puts up with you. how did you get control of this subreddit might I ask?

Damn you both should be banned from this sub. You are clearly trolling.

I don't detect any of that.

How am I trolling? White supremacists are mods of this place and I'm the problem? hilarious, but hey, if he gets banned too i will take one for the team.

Wait when did questioning the validity of the holocaust become white supremacy?

You should be glad you're not shadow-banned after the way you've been behaving recently

I think more asswipes should get banned from this sub.

It's essentially a "punishment" that can only be given by the admins of reddit.

Users can be shadowbanned for a variety of reasons, and they generally have to do with breaking reddit's terms of service, such as brigading, doxxing, and other dastardly deeds.

I think sometimes IP addresses are blocked as well, so newly created accounts from the same location are similarly screwed.

Shadowbanned users can, however, message the mods of any subreddit. These messages are shaded with a reddish pink color that's really obvious.

The /r/conspiracy mod mail is frequently spammed by shadowbanned users.

Sometimes, however, shadowbans are unjust or mistakes. Some users opt to contact the reddit admins, plead their case, and the bans can be reversed.

As it happens, certain "types" have been trying to get me shadowbanned for years now.

But since I haven't broken any rules, their efforts are just silly. The year+ worth of reddit gold I've been given probably helps my account's standing as well.

I hope that clears a few things up. If I got anything wrong maybe someone will chime it and correct me.

In violation of the rule that was added a little over a year ago to enable mods to ban whomever they please. Not only that but you've been accusing specific users of shilling and brigading so I guess you can just ban yourself now. Or are mods exempt from rule 10?

I don't detect any of that.

Why are you on this sub? Looking at your comment history you don't believe in the NWO, you don't believe the government carried out 9-11, Boston bombings, sandy hook and think man made global warming is real. You are a redditor for 1 month and all you post is comments to slate any conspiratorial topic without any factual basis.

You are just a troll and a disinfo shill

He's solid!

How am I trolling? White supremacists are mods of this place and I'm the problem? hilarious, but hey, if he gets banned too i will take one for the team.

Ok

Im blunt and that offends people so they respond with hostility and I respond in kind. I am also fed up with sheeple who for example try to make everything about cops a racial issue of evil whitey vs innocent black while simultaneously ignoring legalized discrimination against whites (affirm action). That is one contentious topic. Others are leftism and the jewish question.

In a past life we were friends. In this incarnation I dont know that we are enemies. I doubt im the user you had words with as I respect you quite a bit.

affirmative action, you, silly

But one should definitely understand and keep in mind the law of balances. If you have group A that takes advantage of group B for generations, and you want to make some attempt at balancing that horrendous imbalance that A was responsible for, then you actually have to institute various programs designed to RE-balance B in such a manner that they are now given opportunities that they weren't given before; opportunities that A might not get...but that's only because A started off in a position of power and authority that B never had ever at all.

A major restructuring and rebalancing of the extremely racist and imbalanced system we live in as is what is needed.

Very true. The system is racist against whites, legally. We should remove the racism against whites.