I think the best rule of thumb is to inherently distrust everything, I don't even trust this sub - but to use information gained, and wash it against what you already know, look for consistencies, logical and sourced arguments. Use falsification.

Still might not lead you to the truth of anything, but the truth is something that requires constant personal education.

Edit: Also, knowing something is false, is a truth of its own.

People here are too trusting of rt.com, that's also saying something about their gullibility.

GLP and ATS have been known to go offline because of 'ddos' during government shutdown.

What do these acronyms stand for, serious question - would help if people used their actual names as not everyone inherently knows what the acronym is expanded.

GLP is godlikeproductions

ATS is abovetopsecret

Cheers.

NP, I know those of us who have been doing this for a really long time get used to acronyms like that and forget that people who are new have no clue wtf we are talking about.

Wtf = what the fuck.

hue

GLP is rumored to be as well.

GLP is 100% CIA/DOD

I was banned for life for just talking about it

GLP is linked to the Tavistock Institue. Mention the word "tavistock" over there and youll be banned.

Tavistock

ya i know... mention alex jones and your banned as well...

I can't put my finger on jones.. he seems to have good peeps working for him... he seems sincere, but then goes into these embarrassing rants..lots of his info checks out.. but at the same time a lot is also embelished

Alex Jones is out to make money. I used to hate on him but at least he's honest about it. His products are sensationalized bullshit and the amount of advertisements and commercials I'm forced to sit through every time I try to listen to his show is a joke, but he has some great rants. People label him a shill because he refuses to talk about Zionism but that's simply because he knows talking about it will lose him probably all of his money.

your probably right. He def believes and knows the shit he's talking about.. so why not make money whilst telling people about this.. everyone needs to make money to survive..

Dude, you are = you're, not your.

ya.. but honestly.. MEH

Jones is another conservative host Limbaugh wannabe. Same pro zionism, same deflection. He just adds a bit more crazy on top of the script all other AM radio hosts get.

limbaugh doesn't talk about things like sandy hook, miac report.. so on..

I've heard the same. There is some interesting stuff there if you're into stars and stuff, there's one guy that will film and post when you can see a planet or comet.

It was sold numerous times too, last time was 2010 I think, Trinity is not the same person.

I agree 100%.

How about the DailyPaul or RonPaulForums? How about /r/conspiracy? How do you we know that we can trust the mods, especially after that recent disaster of an AMA?

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2p13qt/im_david_cole_aka_stein_the_jewish_holocaust/cmseero

consensus cracking

what is glp?

godlikeproductions

Appreciate your work, bgny.

It's important for all if us to take note of the relative freedom we get here despite some issues with mods here and there.

/tips mods and all who contribute day after day

I think it happens more often than not. When I was on a different account I was the owner of a sub for primarily historical articles on the CIA and other intelligence agencies. Didn't really cover a lot of the modern topics and the torture stuff, I wanted items that were as uncolored by emotion and outrage media marketing as possible.

I didn't advertize, but eventually picked up a few dozen subscribers anyway. A few months ago my mod inbox showed that someone asked to take over the sub since my account was inactive. I quickly replied I certainly are NOT inactive. A few days later I realized that I wasn't getting up/downvotes or comments on anything at all regardless of which sub I was in. After about a week total it dawned on my that I'd been shadowbanned globally. About a month after that the new owner of that sub dropped a self post. I was too ticked to really read it. I have no real explanation for what happened.

Tavistock.

How do we know that this forum isn't?

How do we know that this forum isn't?

It almost certainly is currently under 'attack' by a group of people using this forum to associate all "conspiracy theories" and "conspiracy theorists" with neo-nazi holocaust deniers and nazi apologists - basically anything that will make sure the normal, every day John & Jane Average reading reddit will dismiss out of contempt anything that comes from /r/conspiracy or categorize any viewpoint or story that goes outside their official social narrative because it's associated with ridiculous shit.

I'd imagine the modern COINTELPRO would still be at it attacking/infiltrating/subverting groups that have dangerous ideas(you know, like the civil rights movement and their idea that black people should have equal rights and not be treated as subhuman were "dangerous ideas" to the US government and the people in their employ), only these days there is no physical group to infiltrate or any leader for them to target, so they would instead want to subvert the effectiveness of any major social forum or outlet that offered a breeding ground for any resistance or 'dangerous ideas' - they would want to have one of their own become moderator here, or perhaps a few of their own, they would want to brand this whole subreddit and the topics that it's founded on as garbage(like jew-hating neonaziism is garbage).

Maybe they'd want to figuratively hamstring us, hang some fly-tape in 'the air' here to control and limit the ability of all the individual little flies that come through 'this room' with their own little ideas or bits of information by distracting/diverting attention from real issues by promoting ridiculous ones, and catch the flies with the meaningful thoughts & information by making sure it's associated with things that the majority of society find despicable and retarded, like the recent stickied AMA from a random holocaust denier, while simultaneously discrediting us and the whole topic by association. What a coincidence we have a moderator named Flytape, one named Three_Letter_Agency, and one named "User_Name13"(presumably one of his alts, of his accounts numbered 1-12 and 14-20).

These people (or just the elite intellectuals over at /r/conspiratard) love throwing it in your faces that you're idiots, and that's exactly the type of play on words / metaphor that they would think is very clever. Just like how there's someone(/u/the_guard) inviting people here to a private conspiracy subreddit with no explanation other than "you know why you're here" named Private PanOpticon - which implies a place for you to post your ideas where you can always be monitored by someone.

They did it with past social movements when they were meeting in front of townhalls or in churches/bars/cafes - they'll be doing the same thing now when people are meeting in cyberspace and using places on the internet as social forums. It's obvious that this subreddit is under some kind of attack, it's full of borderline skinhead BS half the time that somehow consistently gets upvoted to the frontpage, videos from christian fundamentalists embodying the stereotype of 'crazy conspiracy theorist nut' making videos about how "the jews are working for satan'' in his hat and robe getup as if he fancies himself pope of his own private church, jew-bashing that isn't even actually 'a conspiracy', and AMAs stickied by mods from holocaust deniers that 99% of us here have never heard of before. This means there is collusion from the mods here. The other mods should investigate and figure out what's going on, because right now this subreddit's greatest effect is subverting and discrediting all the topics discussed here and doing the opposite of what this place was founded for. It's funny, because they'll sticky that AMA under the guise of "this being a bastion of free speech with all ideas welcome", but when you try to point something like this out, you get a message from moderator "User_Name13" 3 minutes later telling you to shut up or leave.

This has all happened before and it is all happening again. What happened in the civil rights movement when someone caught on/got wise to it was the agent/provocateur with the agenda would try to silence or ridicule them, or bar them from the group entirely so that they could keep running their little game on the other people involved in it. This subreddit is being subverted, and I just don't believe there are that many neo-nazis who just all happened to migrate here over the last year or two in order to explain all of this as being organic, so that only leaves a couple other options. An outlet for alternatives to the views/explanations offered by the official social narrative on one of the most major social media websites on the internet would be a prime target for these people, so here we are. It used to be that you could mention 9/11 on reddit and the majority of people on this website knew there was something majorly wrong with the official conspiracy theory offered by the Bush administration to explain it(which was then used as a justification for unspeakable changes in our society, not least of all were the wars based on lies that killed hundreds of thousands of people), now though the majority of people will just link you to the other things that are constantly on the frontpage of /r/conspiracy and use that to ridicule and dismiss you, or think you're one of those neo-nazi hitler apologists - gee, I wonder where they got that idea from?

Hating Zionism and pointing out lies in the "official" story of history is not being pro-nazi. People like yourself just can't step out of your bubble and accept that the nazis weren't nearly as bad as the "official" story says.

What a giant surprise that your account is only 1 month old. You're exactly who I'm talking about, and here you are, dutifully doing your job trying to avoid the actual points in my post and falsely define the context of conversation here to distract from the real issue. Whether or not "the nazis weren't nearly as bad as the 'official' story" says is totally irrelevant to your life, my life, and everyone else's life / the world today. Whether the nazis killed 1,000,000 or 6,000,000 jews during WWII is totally irrelevant to your life, my life, and everyone else's life / the world today. The only purpose that serves is to distract people from real issues that effect our whole society and color anyone talking about them with a neo-nazi brush by association with people like you whether you're a normal person or someone working for the establishment paid to control online social forums and make sure they don't have any effect on anything by keeping them less than credible in the minds of average people on sites like reddit.

It only serves to distract from the actual meaningful, productive content that should be on the minds of everyone here that actually does effect all of our lives and our entire civilization while poisoning everything here by association - which is why there are so many accounts like yours, 1-2 months old with names like Twozerozero and TTrns with posting histories full of borderline neo-nazi skinhead bullshit/holocaust denial/etc. Here you are, avoiding all of my points while trying to drag people into a diversionary, irrelevant argument that serves no purpose except to associate this subreddit & the people in it with stormfronters/nazi apologists. You say "hating zionism and pointing out ..blahblahblah.. is not being pro-nazi" and your very next statement in the very same sentence is 'the nazis weren't nearly as bad as people say'. It's hilarious but dumb. You should be banned and someone should find out whose alt you are/who your account actually belongs to. If you're just a legit poster who just happens to have joined within the month to come to /r/conspiracy and start posting, upvoting, and pushing nazi apologist bullshit to this subreddit, then know that what you are doing helps no one, doesn't help you, and will have no productive effect on our lives or our society, but you know, totally keep focusing on that and using your time and energy on it. You and all those other month-old accounts that is, just happening to show up here around the same time we get fake AMAs and stickied holocaust denier posts kept indefinitely at the very top of the frontpage of this subreddit by some mod - coincidentally right around the time we've had a couple of new mod recruitment drives, the last one recently and the one before that.

Just wondering if you have ever read anything related to the history of Zionism? My guess on this would be that you have not. So now that I have questioned your knowledge on this subject, I wonder, are you going to paint me with this same broad brush and label me a controlled op disrupting agent in the this sub also?

It sounds to me, that at least on the issue of Israel and Zionism, you are posting from a lifetime of indoctrination into the Establishment's Approved Version Of History. You seem to have never really lifted your eyes to see what else there is around the looking glass you have spent your life thinking through.

I am not going to address everything you posted in both of these longer posts you have made, because the length of them in some ways is the intellectual equivalent of, when it comes to the issues of Zionism and Israel's war crimes and influence on US history, the equivalent of plugging your ears, and with a whole lot of verbose blustery bombardment, yelling "la la lalalalala" so you don't have to even hear other aspects of the past that are not The Establishment's Official History Of The World.

Just because you can post long combative screeds doesn't mean you can't be close-minded and intellectually dishonest.

edit- minor grammar and sentence structure changes.

REALLY looking forward to /u/thereisnosuchthing's follow up because I am getting the impression he/she has never done any serious research into Zionism. After much research of my own, I believe Zionism to be the single worst piece of political fuckery on the planet, and it needs to be EXPOSED. How do we expose it to Average John/Jane? There is no delicate way to do it. It requires exposing Holocaust lies, and most people simply refuse to open their minds to the possibility that we've all been imbibed with false emotions. If /u/thereisnosuchthing comes back with five paragraphs to explain how we've all misunderstood and exaggerated Zionism, then we'll finally know who he/she works for.

You nailed it!

If he would switch his brain on he might figure our why some people with controversial views prefer to have multiple accounts or create frequently new accounts on reddit, especially considering what we learned in recent month. Then again some people have so much craving for recognition they probably cant even comprehend the rational behind such a choice.

I assuredly am not posting from a lifetime of indoctrination in the "the establishment's approved version of history", I'm posting from a lifetime of knowing that a small racial group comprised of religious/racial supremacists without the power to even form themselves a state of their own until 50 years ago, and even then, who got a strip of land out in the desert surrounded by their enemies doesn't control the fucking world. You should use your own brain instead of reading books about hating jews or how a single racial group or religious group are responsible for everything that's wrong the world, because you're obviously indoctrinated and have stopped using your own ability to reason(if you ever had that at all).

Frankly it's embarrassing, and there's a reason why everyone laughs at you. The ideals in "zionism" are absolutely no different than the ideals of any other cultural grouping, many of which have already been carried out and have influenced the world for centuries, formed states, formed empires, and have policed the whole globe before "zionism" even became a thing - but none of you are talking about those other groups and their states or interventions in the wider world(except as it relates to you trying to connect everything to jews, who weren't powerful enough as a people to even form their own states or raise their own armies for thousands of years, until someone gave one to them and began using it to control the arabs and their Islamic culture that had it's own power-base in the world separate from the Anglo-American establishment's - this is what "zionism" and the state of Israel are actually meant to do, and it's the real reason why you aren't allowed to criticize Israel here in the west - it's very simple). You are short-sighted and looking for a simple solution to your anxieties and political frustrations, so here you are. You are looking at something and seeing it completely backwards, in a way that is totally unproductive, and so my friend I think it's safe to assume that you are the one who has been tricked by the establishment.

SO that's a "no" then, you haven't read anything and don't really know your history. Got it, thanks.

^ Here's an example of someone ignoring all points made and trying to keep an irrelevant conflict going while never addressing the real issues or anything relevant to this topic/thread, while adding in a touch of "I'm being clever" pretension to it. Maybe he's just trying to make it seem like it's a real thing, that there are actually just organic users here who can't separate anything from jew-bashing and are actually that dumb. That would make sense as a tactic, especially when they are being called out on the game they are running on /r/conspiracy.

You actually ignored all my points because you are more interested in performing your posting act on reddit, as if you were wrestling in the WWE, than you are talking to someone like a real person.

You have neither substance nor style. You are a shilling carnival barker who thinks a long self-indulgent screed posted to an imaginary reddit audience on a mentally constructed stage can take the place of actually knowing the subject matter you pretend to care about.

You choose to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head instead of learning the facts for yourself. Your disengaged cognitive dissonance only glazes over my eyes in tired boredom.

You're a fake.

You know why, in this thread, "we" are talking about Zionism? Because people like you think if we don't agree with your opinion on Zionism "we" must be shills. People have different opinions than you, that's life. Sorry everyone isn't holding your hand and agreeing with what you think is most important.

Regarding "anti-Semitism" as user through_a_ways pointed out in a thread a few months back:

and there are anti-Semites pretend to just have a problem with Israel.

Sure there are, but there are a lot of things that get brandied around as "antisemitic" that aren't necessarily antisemitic at all. Like:

• Criticizing the largely Jewish-run film industry for its "blacklisting" of celebrities who support the Palestinian cause. Recognizing that an industry has a tremendous presence of Jews in it is no more antisemitic than pointing out that the NBA is dominated by blacks is racist.

• Calling out the tremendous influence that Jewish interest groups (AIPAC, ADL, etc.) have on our government

• Holocaust denial. In and of itself, denying the currently accepted version of the Holocaust is not an anti-semitic act. Claiming that certain parts of history may have been exaggerated to further political causes is not a hateful claim. Otherwise, every 9/11 conspiracy supporter would be anti-American by definition.

"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism[1] or anti-semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group." - Wikipedia

You can hold all of the views above (and many more) without actually hating Jews as an ethnoreligious group. Furthermore, some Jews can be very antisemitic as well, such as some of the Israeli protestors who don't want black Ethiopian/Somalian Jews to share their ranks.

It's not a black and white issue.

You know why my account is only a month old? I state my opinion, people like yourself flip the fuck out and start harassing me, so I have to make a new account. So far you haven't harassed me but your mindset is the same as people who would love to find me in "real life" and commit violence against me for having my own set of opinions. I don't know how many times I have to say I'm not a neo-nazi, I'm just pointing out lies in history. If/when you finally accept that you have been told lies you will see the "bad guys" are just as bad as the "good guys" but they simply didn't win the war so they don't have the power to indoctrinate their children with their side of the story. If you don't want to look into those things, fine. Just don't try to label me a shill just because I personally see things differently than you. The "you're a shill if you disagree with me" thing is childish.

You know why my account is only a month old?

Probably because you're a part of a vote-rigging brigade and a group of people trying to pretend all of this irrelevance, unproductive, discrediting bullshit is actually a legitimate or organic part of /r/conspiracy. Ever since about a year and a half ago this subreddit has been under attack and immediately there was a change when all of a sudden the frontpage was full of laughable bullshit and anti-jewish fervor/holocaust denial/hitler apologists constantly, all the threads having lots of 1-month, 2-month, or 2-day old accounts posting in them in a game of "let's-pretend-this-is-organic-and-people-actually-think-this-here" - and here you are again, what a surprise that is.

Magically my little post in an /r/conspiracy thread that had 7 replies total at the time received 8 replies from people like you in a matter of a few hours and overnight has 70+ replies in total, most of which posted with accounts that have a very short posting history focused on very specific topics - that's the largest number of replies I've ever gotten in this subreddit, even though I've had my posts golded here multiple times. Most of the replies being attempts to shift the topic onto something totally irrelevant and discredit or detract from the whole conversation without ever addressing any of the points being raised.

I think a great way to determine whether somebody is not a shill is to check their history for good content that exposes shills. For instance, OP linked to a post of mine that proves shills are a rampant problem. I find it hard to believe that a shill would be allowed to spread knowledge about the shill problem, which is still very under-reported.

However, this isn't extremely useful as it does not prove who is a shill, only those who are not.

Most Jewish people today are medern/moderat/secular Jews (they take the good and leave the bad).

However, most of the "Jews" in power are (political/Rothschild) Zionists pretending to be Jewish.

Jewish people and evil (political/Rothschild) Zionists are not the same thing! This above mentioned form of Zionism is a very racist, genocidal, greedy, self-serving, unsympathetic, sociopathic, psychopathic, and fundamental ideology. There are Zionists that are not claiming to be "Jewish", but "Christian" (faux Christian), such as the Bush Family and Biden. Many of the Zionists claim to be "Jewish", in part, to discredit any and all critics with a dismissive conversation ender by calling them "anti-Semites". Zionists that claim to be Jewish are about as Jewish as terrorists claiming to be Muslim (as in, not at all true to the (modern/secular/moderat) religions).

Part of the plan by these (political/Rothschild) Zionists that claim to be Jewish is to have the masses hate actual Jewish people and Israel for their atrocities; The average uninformed/missinformed person may mistake these Zionists as true Jewish people, and falsely blame humanist Jewish people for all of the atrocities of the Zionists (War, Coup de tats, Usery, human rights/constitutional defying laws/policies/actions, etc.).

The three big (political/Rothschild) Zionist Occupied Governments (ZOGs) are the USA, the UK, and Israel. Many other countries are also controlled, owned, and operated by the Zionists (through Central banking, mega corporations that politically lobby federal politicians, mainstream media, etc.). Many USFG politicians have Israel-USA dual citizenships.

The Zionist grid of power in a nutshell: The USA is Israels bitch, the USA, Israel, UK (and others) are the bitches of the (political/Rothschild) Zionists, and the Zionists are the bitches of the top-of-the-top of the Global Elites/Powers That Be (PTB)/Illuminati.

Protip: When trying to denounce (political/Rothschild) Zionism and its ilk, for the love of God, do not use David Duke as a source! Duke may be right about the power of Zionism to an extent, but using Duke as a source probably discredits the Conspiracy/Truth/Dissent movement since Duke used to be a KKK Grand Wizard, is a white-supremacist, and is also not fond of Jewish people (even if they are humanist and not Zionists).

This OP is so full of shit it's coming out of his ears.

Here more of them are, trying to distract from the real issue and point of my post and subvert it by baiting people into an argument totally irrelevant to everything in this thread - about hating jews/hating Israel, a big fingertip diarrhea wall of "Rothschild Controlled State Zionist Evil Illiminati Rothschild Israelis Bitch love of God", and at the end of his post an extra attempt at legitimization/appearing 'real'/an extra bit of irrelevance, instead of ever addressing what people like himself are here to do to this subreddit with that specific topic and their constant attempts at legitimizing their bullshit and discussion.

You can see here an example of how one of these guys comes into a thread, tries desperately to subvert the whole topic/subject with this shit, and then pretends that's what everyone here is already taking part in with his little "Protip" at the bottom, as if he isn't invading a thread that has nothing to do with his bs and pretending it does and that that's what we're all interested in here, to detract from the real conversation and make you all associated with him and his ilk on the rest of the internet.

What I think this person's purpose is is to make it seem like there actually are a ton of users here that actually are thinking this way, who can't separate anything from their views about jews and zionists.

Can you elaborate on the 'real issues' which you think these 'infiltrators' are distracting us from?

Do you agree that Sandy Hoax and the Boston Hoaxathon are most deserving of peoples attention?

• our entire civilization in the modern world lied into multiple wars/occupations that killed hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of Americans, and wasted $6 trillion

• the economy and black-budget in terms of someone using our economy to fund a separate economy, this break-away group using trillions of dollars siphoned out of what people think of as the 'real' economy using all means available, not least of all mortgage fraud so bad that it rocked the entire financial system in recent history

• the way that the voting system is rigged and the candidates you are allowed to vote on are first picked by others, and both are picked by the same people to provide a false dichotomy/false opposition, and falsely contextualize the entire 'political debate' and social narrative in America to distract from real issues, while any alternative view is almost entirely ruled by or jumped on by people who do nothing but offer distraction and diversion/pointless conflict to keep us(the people) from ever organizing or becoming too homogenized in our ideas about the crimes that are obviously being perpetrated against the American people. People at the top of the establishment benefit greatly from the masses at the bottom being in constant conflict with each other rather than realizing their real conflict should be with the people who have made their way to the top who are destroying the lives/families/future of the common folk at the bottom who they view as cannon-fodder.

• the way the media serves as nothing more than a medium of exchange between the financial elite who owns it and the masses who don't, and as a 'media' through which one class can influence the thinking of the other. the way the media endorses an official social narrative that ridicules and tries to discredit any discussion about either of the above topics - incidentally sometimes by connecting it with neo-nazis on the internet.

• the fact that our entire culture of new laws is backwards and full of Newspeak, like the Patriot Act, the Victory Act, the operations "Operation Freedom" and "Operation Enduring Freedom" which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and killed or maimed for life tens of thousands of American kids in the armed services, all while basically instituting a covert form of martial law.

And fucking thousands of things that I don't feel like typing out that are infinitely more relevant and important than whether 1,000,000 or 6,000,000 jews were killed by Hitler in WWII, or whether Hitler was secretly a kitten-lover and enthusiast at heart, or whether a school shooting was actually a drill publicized as a real incident. Those things are analogous to leaking faucets in a house that is on fire and currently burning down. Most of those things are used to discredit and detract from any discussions about the issues I listed, which is funny seeing as they're mostly discussed by people with brand new reddit accounts 2 days old, 1 month old, 2 months old, etc. Either they're people who don't understand the seriousness of what is happening here in your own society, or they're paid agents of the establishment trying to fill this forum/social outlet up with near-meaningless distractions and diversions which are used to simultaneously distract the people who are actually users here organically while also discrediting them/us all by association.

Your own account, DumbledoreSays, is one of them. DumbledoreSays, redditor for 2 months.

So you want to chastise and discredit the holocaust revisionists, AND you want people not to pay attention to the Big Three Hoaxes of recent times (Sandy Hoax, Boston Hoaxathon and the Batman Shootings Hoax).

Even though the Big Three Hoaxes are the most powerful gateway events to open peoples eyes to the corruption of their government and media.

Let me guess, you also think people should shy away from pointing out who was really behind 9/11?

Here you are doing your best to distract people from the real issues that this thread is about and bait people into meaningless, unproductive arguments about subjects that do nothing but serve to discredit the whole subreddit and topic.

"Big Three Hoaxes of recent times (Sandy Hoax, Boston Hoaxathon and the Batman Shootings Hoax)."

So you don't think people were shot in that theater? You don't think anything happened at the Boston Marathon? You should go and look up what the word "hoax" means, because I don't think it means what you think it means.

..then you immediately connect those things with 'who was really behind 9/11' - this is what I think your type is here to do - there is an attempt at associating real issues effecting our entire civilization and everyone in it with a. bullshit, b. racism, c. lunacy in /r/conspiracy and 'alternative view' social forums the internet-wide, while adding a bunch of irrelevant argument and minor distractions that you treat as major events to the pot and then trying to mix it all together.

Get real. The Jews have always worked for the Protestant establishment. You want a global, far reaching conspiracy look to Protestantism not Zionism. Any -ism sucks but as far as scope of power Catholicism, Islamism, and Zionism can not compare to Protestantism.

But Confucianism is really giving the Protestant (USA and UK) establishment a run for its money. The U.S. has no real answer to China, because the U.S. has no clue about how China and its power structures are organized. It's like comparing the Mafia to Triads and Tongs.

The Chinese own the entirety of Asia, mostly through soft power but hard power (aircraft carriers) are catching up. I'm in Thailand right now and the bulk of the elite here, the land and business owners, are of Chinese descent. Same in Malaysia, same in Vietnam, same in parts of Indonesia.

Now they are taking over the USA. While ignoramuses complain about Mexicans stealing landscaping jobs wealthy Chinese are buying up property coast to coast. Canada too. Ever been to Hongcouver? Toronto? CHINESE.

I'm not anti Chinese. I am fascinated with Chinese culture and history. Martial arts, herbalism, the language, etc. I am in awe, and that is what I mean by this post. It's just so funny to me that the Chinese are basically doing what Hitler feared the Jews would do if left unabaited.

I personally welcome the Chinese and think they have a lot to offer the world from their long and ancient cultural history. I'm just writing this post to demonstrate how myopic people are who focus on Jews as the source of all the world's problems.

Protestantism (sun never sets on the British empire!) usually used what's typically called hard power to dominate the world. IE wars, bombs, guns. The Chinese have this great concept of soft power which is more like cultural or meme warfare. (Though, as I mentioned, their military is gaining too, plus they have gotten pretty aggressive in the S. China sea, which is a development I don't like.)

Just because I hate Zionism doesn't mean I don't hate the other power tripping psychopaths that use their favorite flavor of religion to push their agenda.

It almost certainly is currently under 'attack' by a group of people using this forum to associate all "conspiracy theories" and "conspiracy theorists" with neo-nazi holocaust deniers and nazi apologists

You are a fool if you believe this. These people have simply just learned recently, most likely thanks to TGSNT, that the rabbithole is far deeper than many of us have imagined. The malicious lies about the two great wars and national socialism, the identities of the actual warmongers and profiteers are the foundation and very core of the system and ideology which most of us here try to expose.

• Paul_Rassinier198

• Redditor for 15 days

thanks for proving my point, fool. Maybe next time you create a group of accounts you should leave the random numbers at the end off, it kind of gives you away.

| random numbers at the end

Joke is on you moron: 19 & 8 = ? (Do the "math" yourself)

Your reply was so predictable. As I state in my reply to sudo-tleilaxu:

"If he would switch his brain on he might figure our why some people with controversial views prefer to have multiple accounts or create frequently new accounts on reddit, especially considering what we learned in recent month. Then again some people have so much craving for recognition they probably cant even comprehend the rational behind such a choice."

None of that changes or has any impact on what I said here, you're still posting on a 15 day old account with a posting history full of bullshit and embodying exactly what I'm talking about, so thanks for proving my points. It's funny too because you're saying "19 & 8 = ?" as if that should mean something, you're basically just here trolling and pretending you aren't a perfect example of what I'm talking about in my posts here in this thread.

When all else fails you retreat to personal attacks and namecalling, whoa, how surprising and intelligent of you!

basically anything that will make sure the normal, every day John & Jane Average reading reddit will dismiss out of contempt anything that comes from /r/conspiracy or categorize any viewpoint or story that goes outside their official social narrative because it's associated with ridiculous shit.

This right here is spot on. Whoever these controllers are they need to protect their government programmed "public schooling" property. Just think if you had something you spent lots of money for and needed for the future you'd want to do "anything" to protect / shield it from the truth because if it sees the truth it will turn on you.

They are watching their young grow up, be programmed and groomed to be placed in the system. The system needs bodies to survive and always will.

Why do you think the NSA gets to spy on everyone? Its just another way to watch and learn how the public is reacting. The its for "National Security" is just a cover.

wall-of-text is a dead giveaway.

It's a dead giveaway that I'm not retarded or a random shill pushing some bigger agenda that only requires me to upvote specific threads of provide a 2-sentence show of support to something(like the nazi apologism and holocaust denial)? Yeah, it's a dead giveaway of that you're right.

trying too hard.

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thanks for providing proof of concept bud, I'm not the one "trying so hard" that I'm making massses of alt accounts to feign support for myself and my neo-nazi shitposts or attempts to associate /r/conspiracy with hitler apologists and holocaust denial though - this kind of petty bullshit attempt at a snide remark just shows you for what you are, and what you are is not a good thing - good luck focusing your life and energy on issues that won't help you or anyone else and will change nothing/have no productive effect, ever.

We have two very active, pro-zionism mods as far as I know. Check this week's AMA for more info.

I can name you at least 2 paid opps there.

Many years ago I read and posted to the JFK Assassination group on AOL. I was certain many of those postings came from government psy-operations.

Thanks for the heads up /u/bgny

Yeah, I noticed that too

I'd rather know that shills openly troll a space than have all discussion shut down.

Literally the only reason I stay in this sub is because at least I know who the Conspiratard / anti-Semite assholes are.

You think that you know them, but the true masters of deception blend into the shadows and manipulate without standing out.

yep. those known, wanted to be known to allow the true threat to go unnoticed.

Just like in big media when they make huge deal over the latest celebrity gossip or who are we allies or enemies with, eurasia or eastasia. while our own government's shady actions are quietly slivered along behind the dark curtain of silence, hiding the virulent facet of the truth.

Believe me ATS censors at will. If anything you write goes against their business model $$$$ they will delete it.

ATS is a strange website, I found it the moment the war in Ukraine started, the forums where booming with reactions.

The months after it is was dead again.

Don't end at naming our forum overlords "the DOD/CIA", put a finer point on it and try to resolve specific faces and subgroups.

why would the dod/cia need to make a shill website like that when people who believe most of that garbage shouldn't be taken seriously. UFO's, sandy hook, bigfoot, the list goes on. there are only some legitimate conspiracy theories which is the problem because many outspoken conspiratards like Alex Jones, David Icke, and Mark Dice just discredit themselves along with their followers.

i spent a few years digging through the bull shit and I finally realized a lot of it is just fear porn. it's such an overwhelming task i can see how people just don't want to put the energy into it. after you find out the truth about many things it just makes you depressed because you know that most people are misinformed/apathetic so you just continue on in your life as if you never knew. anyone who attempts to make real change is silenced. as long as people are comfortable nothing else matters..

Containment boards to gather, discredit and assemble information on dissenters.

sandyhook sandwiched between ufos and bigfoot? lol

yeah. anyone who thinks it was a hoax is an idiot. it was just gun control bait. adam lanza took psychotropic drugs and after he stopped taking them he went nuts and killed a bunch of kids. i live near newtown and know many people related to the victims. their deaths were real.

i live near newtown and know many people related to the victims. their deaths were real.

rofl

"appeal to geographical location" ? that's a new one.

i added it for context as to how I know some of the families. What are you trying to ramble about?

Can you elaborate on the 'real issues' which you think these 'infiltrators' are distracting us from?

Do you agree that Sandy Hoax and the Boston Hoaxathon are most deserving of peoples attention?

Just wondering if you have ever read anything related to the history of Zionism? My guess on this would be that you have not. So now that I have questioned your knowledge on this subject, I wonder, are you going to paint me with this same broad brush and label me a controlled op disrupting agent in the this sub also?

It sounds to me, that at least on the issue of Israel and Zionism, you are posting from a lifetime of indoctrination into the Establishment's Approved Version Of History. You seem to have never really lifted your eyes to see what else there is around the looking glass you have spent your life thinking through.

I am not going to address everything you posted in both of these longer posts you have made, because the length of them in some ways is the intellectual equivalent of, when it comes to the issues of Zionism and Israel's war crimes and influence on US history, the equivalent of plugging your ears, and with a whole lot of verbose blustery bombardment, yelling "la la lalalalala" so you don't have to even hear other aspects of the past that are not The Establishment's Official History Of The World.

Just because you can post long combative screeds doesn't mean you can't be close-minded and intellectually dishonest.

edit- minor grammar and sentence structure changes.

You know why my account is only a month old? I state my opinion, people like yourself flip the fuck out and start harassing me, so I have to make a new account. So far you haven't harassed me but your mindset is the same as people who would love to find me in "real life" and commit violence against me for having my own set of opinions. I don't know how many times I have to say I'm not a neo-nazi, I'm just pointing out lies in history. If/when you finally accept that you have been told lies you will see the "bad guys" are just as bad as the "good guys" but they simply didn't win the war so they don't have the power to indoctrinate their children with their side of the story. If you don't want to look into those things, fine. Just don't try to label me a shill just because I personally see things differently than you. The "you're a shill if you disagree with me" thing is childish.

Regarding "anti-Semitism" as user through_a_ways pointed out in a thread a few months back:

and there are anti-Semites pretend to just have a problem with Israel.

Sure there are, but there are a lot of things that get brandied around as "antisemitic" that aren't necessarily antisemitic at all. Like:

• Criticizing the largely Jewish-run film industry for its "blacklisting" of celebrities who support the Palestinian cause. Recognizing that an industry has a tremendous presence of Jews in it is no more antisemitic than pointing out that the NBA is dominated by blacks is racist.

• Calling out the tremendous influence that Jewish interest groups (AIPAC, ADL, etc.) have on our government

• Holocaust denial. In and of itself, denying the currently accepted version of the Holocaust is not an anti-semitic act. Claiming that certain parts of history may have been exaggerated to further political causes is not a hateful claim. Otherwise, every 9/11 conspiracy supporter would be anti-American by definition.

"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism[1] or anti-semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group." - Wikipedia

You can hold all of the views above (and many more) without actually hating Jews as an ethnoreligious group. Furthermore, some Jews can be very antisemitic as well, such as some of the Israeli protestors who don't want black Ethiopian/Somalian Jews to share their ranks.

It's not a black and white issue.

Most Jewish people today are medern/moderat/secular Jews (they take the good and leave the bad).

However, most of the "Jews" in power are (political/Rothschild) Zionists pretending to be Jewish.

Jewish people and evil (political/Rothschild) Zionists are not the same thing! This above mentioned form of Zionism is a very racist, genocidal, greedy, self-serving, unsympathetic, sociopathic, psychopathic, and fundamental ideology. There are Zionists that are not claiming to be "Jewish", but "Christian" (faux Christian), such as the Bush Family and Biden. Many of the Zionists claim to be "Jewish", in part, to discredit any and all critics with a dismissive conversation ender by calling them "anti-Semites". Zionists that claim to be Jewish are about as Jewish as terrorists claiming to be Muslim (as in, not at all true to the (modern/secular/moderat) religions).

Part of the plan by these (political/Rothschild) Zionists that claim to be Jewish is to have the masses hate actual Jewish people and Israel for their atrocities; The average uninformed/missinformed person may mistake these Zionists as true Jewish people, and falsely blame humanist Jewish people for all of the atrocities of the Zionists (War, Coup de tats, Usery, human rights/constitutional defying laws/policies/actions, etc.).

The three big (political/Rothschild) Zionist Occupied Governments (ZOGs) are the USA, the UK, and Israel. Many other countries are also controlled, owned, and operated by the Zionists (through Central banking, mega corporations that politically lobby federal politicians, mainstream media, etc.). Many USFG politicians have Israel-USA dual citizenships.

The Zionist grid of power in a nutshell: The USA is Israels bitch, the USA, Israel, UK (and others) are the bitches of the (political/Rothschild) Zionists, and the Zionists are the bitches of the top-of-the-top of the Global Elites/Powers That Be (PTB)/Illuminati.

Protip: When trying to denounce (political/Rothschild) Zionism and its ilk, for the love of God, do not use David Duke as a source! Duke may be right about the power of Zionism to an extent, but using Duke as a source probably discredits the Conspiracy/Truth/Dissent movement since Duke used to be a KKK Grand Wizard, is a white-supremacist, and is also not fond of Jewish people (even if they are humanist and not Zionists).