It's fucking amazing how a story like this gets thousands of upvotes and insane massive hysterical anti Russian comments and hate. The PR machine is working very well.

Doesn't matter that the US is bombing countries, torturing prisoners, supporting terrorists, and their own government has just signed another massive bill to go oppress more countries, spy on their own citizens, and give banks more freedom to fuck everyone over, but fuck all that, a motherfucking plane in international airspace is literally a Putler terrorist invasion and the biggest threat to world peace.

*Edit: Even the airlines director is wondering what all the fuss is about " It happens in international airspace, and there have military plane allowed to be, so I can not understand all the drama that is about it here" He says even the pilots didn't care: http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/cimber-direktoer-passagererne-maerkede-intet-til-kursskifte/5354423

But that's "whataboutism", thus not a real argument.

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

Yes

You should ALWAYS mark sarcasm with an "/s".

Reddit is sarcastically retarded.

/Not sarcasm.

The difference between sovereign and international airspace in no way makes this incident less serious.

I was mainly commenting on the hysteria it caused. Something that is a drop in the ocean compared to the actual shit happening around the world. Perfect example of minuscule irrelevant bullshit to distract the idiot masses.

It's not exactly hysteria when you consider the rarity and frankly, extreme negligence on display.

Again, compared to what is actually happening in the world, this seems like a well made distraction. Yes it's an interesting news story, but not on the hysteria level the reddit posters make it out to be. You'd think Putin was gearing up for an invasion.

I've not read much about this on reddit so I couldn't say. There's enough wrong-headed hysteria in this thread.

Not yourself, just in general.

It's exactly the same narrative.

You are with us or you are with the communists.

You are with us or you are with the terrorists.

You are with us or you are a FSB Putin paid brainwashed zombie shill.

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You are with us or you are with the Zionists - /r/conspiracy

In that case, I'm with "us".

Arse. Flying through congested civilian airspace with your transponder off and not in communication with controllers is dangerous and endangers lives. There's nothing Manichean about covering that kind of stupid behaviour.

EDIT - alright I'm not one to complain about downvotes but this really makes no sense. Is it disagreement or what?

You've proven with your posting history that you're a Zionist scumbag so we take whatever you say with a grain of salt

Go on then. Since you're so sure.

I don't see it as pro-Putin just anti propaganda. Getting a bit tired of all these apathetic brainwashed automatons believing we're the good guys, spreading peace and democracy, when all the evidence says otherwise. Not saying Putin isn't a corrupt scumbag as well but he's small fry compared to our emperors.

That is exactly how I feel. But being anti-propaganda these days means that you are personally collecting checks that Putin signs in kitten blood.

accurate but the same is true here, you can be labeled zionist quick for simply not understanding money creation.

I'm getting really fucking sick of how we're painted as total fucking nuts who are in able of rational thinking. It's like people think that all conspiracy theorist are neo Nazis who deny the holocaust or believe that reptilians are in the white house.

If anything, we are the most sane! This nonsense is really making me angry.

Reddit is getting so bad now I don't even wanna use it anymore. I only come on here for r/occult and this site.

We should start considering taking our ideas and making a new website away from this cesspit.

Nope. We leave they win. It's difficult to consistently combat but persevere.

That is true.

Well, I'm tired of just doing nothing about it. Maybe it's time I did. I am mad and hell and I'm not taking it anymore!!

I'm wondering, If the NATO countries instituted a draft how much resistance the people would put up?

Imagine getting a letter saying we're going to war with Russia, kit up soldier!. I'm willing to bet most of the commenters over in worldnews would be shutting the fuck up with all the war mongering.

Saw that, the followup thread was funny though... When antiRussia threads pop up riding on 4800+ it's bullshit Astroturf propaganda of the day.

I think some of the conversations in these sort of threads are fairly dynamic but not from an organic standpoint. Op Metal Gear

Solid link.

Interesting link.

It's clear as day that Russia are in the wrong here.

I don't see astroturfing in stupid comments. I just see stupid comments.

it's not just /r/worldnews it's everywhere.

they should rename /r/TIL to /r/MilitaryHistorymostlywinkwink

Are you implying that users should read the article? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Maybe the swedes are just really paranoid about Russians invading?

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No, no no no.

This is a massive misunderstanding of the difference between international and sovereign airspace, which leads to a dramatically wrong interpretation of what's going on.

The difference between "Swedish" and "international" airspace makes absolutly no difference to the severity of the incident. None whatsoever.

The fact that early reports label the airspace incorrectly is in no way making this an "anti-Russian" piece. The aircraft was reckless and extremely negligent, we're lucky there wasn't a collision. Saying that the "reality" is that it happened in international airspace is just weird and shows the misunderstanding.

"Swedish" airspace as a sovereign concept extends to 12 miles from shore, just like with sovereign waters.

Beyond that is international airspace that is split into Flight Information Regions (FIR). Responsibility for the safety of aircraft is split up according to FIR. In this case Malmo FIR, where Swedish controllers ensure that aircraft in international airspace do not collide. International airspace doesn't mean a free-for-all. It just means it's outside the 12-mile limit. Controllers are still responsible for separation, pilots are still obliged to follow clearances and instructions, and unidentified traffic that's not showing up on radar, closing in on civilian aircraft is extremely dangerous.

Example - in this incident the estimated distance was around 300 feet. Our minumum separation is 5 miles. It is not sensationalist to say that this was an extremely dangerous move by the Russian aircraft.

The Russian aircraft deactivated it's transponder, which makes it impossible for controllers to safely guide traffic in the airspace. This is an incredibly dangerous, foolhardy and unforgivable action, and the fact that early reports labelled it as "Swedish" airspace rather than "international" makes no difference.

For the severity of the incident keep reading the second article

"Suddenly the military plane took a sharp turn and the way I understood it is that there was about a minute from being a collision course with a passenger plane," Daniel Josefsson, who works in combat management at the combat control centre in Luleå, told the newspaper.

After becoming aware of the foreign plane the military air traffic control centre gave a frantic message to their counterparts in civilian air traffic control.

"Our staff gave them a clear recommendation - 'do something, turn away' - the civil traffic controller then did that," added Micael Bydén to TT.

The situation is very similar to an incident in March this year when a Russian military plane nearly collided with an SAS plane.

"This incident in the spring was way too close, maybe 100 metres or less. In this instance we managed to avoid it getting that close," said Bydén.

OP - read up on how airspace structure works, if you like I'd be happy to type more. But what we have here is a basic misunderstanding leading to conclusions that aren't reasonable.

Source - ATC working in Western Europe. This kind of thing gives me nightmares.

But Ops post had this:

Initial reports stated that the incident took place in the Swedish airspace but Hultqvist claimed this was not the case "It was over international airspace. There has definitely not been a violation,"

So basically what they did was not nice, but nothing like what the entire point of OPs post is: that reddit is hysterical with Putin hate over his plans of world domination and baby eating.

He's saying there hadn't been a violation of Swedish sovereign airspace.

Which makes no difference to the severity, as I hope I made clear.

The difference between "Swedish" and "international" airspace makes absolutly no difference to the severity of the incident.

I get that you know your stuff. But most people do not and it absolutely changes the tone of the story for them.

No, the article is clear about the severity. Crystal clear.

Your post has the idea that saying it happened in Swedish rather than international airspace makes it an inherently anti-Russian piece. That's not borne out by the article at all. Neither is it borne out by the events.

makes it an inherently anti-Russian piece.

The read the comments, particularly the top hundred or so. The proof is in the pudding.

No, you're ascribing an awful lot of meaning to a mistatement of what is essentially aeronautical legal geography.

The details of the story that describe the aircraft turning off the transponder and coming within 100 metres of civilian traffic just might have something to do with people's response.

I've e-mailed in to the AP corrections slot. I'd suggest the same to you.

/r/conspiracy has a become west vs eat forum

Not really, it is and always has been an anti-propaganda forum.

Sweden have always been very neutral towards the Jews so it's no surprise to see them sucking up to the dominant societies of the Western world.