I think a) a whole generation of men were raised by single mothers. B) the US stopped manufacturing goods, thus the "manly arts" were lost. C) education is abysmal, but porn is prolific.

I agree there's something to be said about US manufacturing. You buy instead of fixing. Everything is made to be replaced. My grandfather made a living wage as a radiator repairman in Chicago in the 1930s-40s. Many trades have been made obsolete.

Indeed no role models if that was the case. Americas men are slowly fading away.

You should watch Aaron Russos Interview. It is all about devide and conquer. If people fight against each other stupid wars then they do not have time to deal with the real issues.

Absolutely. It's the grinding down of culture over generations.

Parts of it are intentional, parts are not. Soy in everything and plastics in everything aren't there to intentionally function as endocrine disruptors, but it happens anyway. Porn making young males get caught in a whack off loop and lose the fire in their belly isn't really intentional beyond making money, but it happens anyway.

The military is NOT true males. A real male is a leader himself and a leader OF himself, who follows his own moral code and does not follow others' orders blindly. Soldiers are just strong trained dogs in the shape of men. When someone puts on a business suit, or prison jumpsuit, or army fatigues they shave and cut their hair for a very good reason. It turns them into high functioning dogs, not real men.

If you think clothes, being noisy, drinking and eating tobacco is everything of what makes a man, I'd also argue that you're not completely there yet. Maybe you have the warrior, but you're missing the shaman and king archetypes with that attitude.

I think you might find Mark Passio's lecture on the subject interesting. http://youtu.be/Q51l_E8Tlp0

Warning: Long

I'm in the military and this cancer has spread there too. Males in the armed forces have to tread very lightly around females now. One wrong word, look, touch or anything and you will get hammered.

It's sad that our society has come to a point whereally the traditional sense of being a man is frowned upon. You can't be too assertive. You can't be too loud. There are too many things as men that we can't do anymore without getting shit for it.

Visit r/theredpill if you want to open your eyes to the demasculinzation of our society.

One wrong word, look, touch or anything and you will get hammered.

You mean harassing someone is an offence? Well how about that...

It's sad that our society has come to a point whereally the traditional sense of being a man is frowned upon.

Given you recommended the red pill, i'm gonna guess you miss the good ol' days where men could hit their wives.

You mean harassing someone is an offence? Well how about that...

I would hardly consider cases like "donglegate" to be harrassment.

Given you recommended the red pill, i'm gonna guess you miss the good ol' days where men could hit their wives.

Lol, im guessing you got your views about trp from 2x.

I would hardly consider cases like "donglegate" to be harrassment.

So an overreaction in the case of donglegate means that all womens claims of harassment are just overreactions?

I suppose you think that a few false rape claims are proof women always lie.

Lol, im guessing you got your views about trp from 2x.

No. I got my views by visiting TRP and seeing the garbage that hits the front page there. The current top post is about how women are inferior to men as their only value is their bodies.

So an overreaction in the case of donglegate means that all womens claims of harassment are just overreactions?

Its a good indication of the current climate regarding harrasment. So yes, when I see feminists regarding gradeschool level jokes between friends as harrassment, I have to question the validity of claims of harrasment.

I suppose you think that a few false rape claims are proof women always lie.

No, but it makes me question the current feminist line of thinking that we should never, ever, ever question the validity of an alleged victims claims.

No. I got my views by visiting TRP and seeing the garbage that hits the front page there. The current top post is about how women are inferior to men as their only value is their bodies.

Thats nice, but you made a claim about wife beating. Find me one single upvoted post on that subreddit that advocates that.

Its a good indication of the current climate regarding harrasment.

So a few highly publicised events are representative of the whole.

If I find some popular cases of male college rape. Does that mean it's a good indication that male students are generally rapists?

when I see feminists regarding gradeschool level jokes between friends as harrassment, I have to question the validity of claims of harrasment.

So what you're saying is over-active feminists are harming your views on women.

Are you incapable of sifting through the bullshit? What's next, do you think most women will call you a rapist if you upset them after consensual sex?

No, but it makes me question the current feminist line of thinking that we should never, ever, ever question the validity of an alleged victims claims.

There's a difference between appropriate legal skepticism in regards to claims of rape and treating every case as likely being a lie.

Thats nice, but you made a claim about wife beating. Find me one single upvoted post on that subreddit that advocates that.

I made a guess, not a claim, about that users personal views based on their comment and their subscription to TRP.

So a few highly publicised events are representative of the whole.

If I find some popular cases of male college rape. Does that mean it's a good indication that male students are generally rapists?

Its a good indication that some men are rapists, just like the "few highly publicized events" are a good indication that some women will claim harrassment over almost anything.

So what you're saying is over-active feminists are harming your views on women.

Over-active feminists are harming my view of feminists, which something like 30-40% of women are.

Are you incapable of sifting through the bullshit? What's next, do you think most women will call you a rapist if you upset them after consensual sex?

Most wouldnt, but I would hate be one of the unlucky men that has to go through the title 9 kangaroo courts because of some spiteful, lying bitch.

There's a difference between appropriate legal skepticism in regards to claims of rape and treating every case as likely being a lie.

When did I say I treat every case like its likely a lie? I said I disagree with the current feminist logic of "dont ask questions, just assume its true, women never lie."

I made a guess, not a claim, about that users personal views based on their comment and their subscription to TRP.

You made a guess that is unfounded in reality. People on trp believe that you are a failure of a man if you have to resort to beating your wife. You may not agree with what trp people believe, but to claim someone is a wife beater because they visit that sub is idiotic.

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Roger that.

all the alpha's are in prison i guess... that's what happens if a man asserts himself in today's society.

i blame a deliberate program to promote women as equal to men. women are not equal to men, if they were: why do they have their own segregated competitions in the Olympics? in the UFC? in anything physical? mentally equal you say? actually i would say they are superior in some ways and men are superior in others. overall, with mental and physical attributes combined the men win, sorry ladies. its a man's world.

next: a deliberate program to to promote homosexuality and effeminate behaviour as normal and acceptable. but most of all i blame the the hormone bending chemicals in our food, its packaging and the water we drink. thanks also to "the pill" etc not being filtered out by water treatment plants designed and built 100 years ago.

I guess I just find it...funny? Weird? Strange?...that the idea of "a man" is a rude, crude dude who farts and drinks and smokes and fights and anything else is less than "a man". Where do musicians or artists or actors or scientists or any of the millions of men who don't fit your "big and stupid" definition?

Rofl, big and stupid? You are the one making those judgements. Thanks for the idiotic comment.

Well you said the only place you see "true males" is in the military. Care to elaborate?

Also, fluoride destroys hormones?

4 day old account not even gonna let you derail the post.

The poster is right to question, though. Why should we accept your view of "true males?" Where do all the other males fit? And if we still have "true males" in the military, then could it be that the societal view of masculine behavior is expanding rather than that masculine men are under attack. Personally, I view the behavior you seem to suggest indicates manliness ("a dipping, drinking, loud mouth person", conveniently traits you possess) as boorish and crude. I won't deny that marketers (like Carl's Jr.) love having male self-image predicated on such ridiculous standards, but I abhor the thought that large populations of men yearn for the day when the characterization in the commercial below is the standard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwG7ESzprUM

Mike Judge showed us where this type of foolishness leads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqLt_CW8sr4

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Well put

Your definition of a "real man" might not be another persons definition. Every body is different. You sound like you're hating on guys who are in touch with both sides of the gender spectrum.

Oh because its in now to be in touch with your feminine. Yea that feminism is sure working its magic. Also I am not hating on shit, you wanna be a pussy then be one. Problem is its not allowed in society to express the male nature, without the female crap sprinkled in. Shit I have seen women more masculine then some males. Its a hormonal problem at its core but no its too unmanly to talk about how men are being feminized in society. You know buck up, deal with it. Never address whats really going on..

...or maybe you have some weird delusion that all men were only one certain way all throughout a history that you never lived in. If you think that until recently all men dressed and acted only one specific way than you are being delusional - willful or otherwise. All of the advances we have in society, all the technological breakthroughs, the medical breakthroughs, and the quality of life advancements didn't come from your typical "military guy". They came from inquisitive minds that refused to accept what was deemed impossible. If you want to see society improve then maybe we need real education and questioning of values, not just more "macho" guys who want to fight and kill shit. It actually makes you look pretty stupid to call that guy a pussy because he said that everybody is able to have their own views on what being a man is....sounds like you are just one of those violent type assholes who try to fight people who disagree with them and don't stroke your ego. He didn't even say anything offensive or aggressive in any way

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Oh god no, this has nothing to do with it. Women are irrational and emotion driven much like men, just sort of the opposite spectrum.

I think it's mainly matriarchal vs patriarchal cultures at play. Example: US and Europe being matriarchal. Russia and China being patriarchal. What does that mean? Well, in short, matriarchal is about hedonism and permissiveness, consumerism (if you will) vs patriarchal that is about discipline, tradition, conservatism. I haven't given it too much thought but it's division of values. Think about what, generally speaking, women want and what men want. If I recall correctly, Robert Anton Wilson has touched upon this in one of his books. So the thing is. We live in a matriarchal society, it's about consumerism, liberalism, permission, excess, sex, ultrafeminism (note: not equality), passivity, hedonism, etc. List goes on. All of the above keep our society going, there is a reason that marketing industry tailors women as the main income of revenue. For extreme comparison, cultures that implement Sharia law, have tried to subdue these things, they want to preserve dominance of patriarchal values. In US and Western Europe, consumerism is the driving force of economy, thus matriarchal values are dominant. If you look at the statistic, US went from patriarchal to matriarchal values and actively propose it further. I am sure you've felt it or have seen it. Is it bad or good? Well, RAW proposed that societies in a constant state of flux between the two. Let's say we are happened to be in matriarchal state in our country. I tell you what, my sister and mother told me straight up one day, that it's easier to be a woman in this country (US) and we come from patriarchal country. Take it as you will, I haven't really explored this topic in much depth.

You poor stupid bastard...

Really adding alot to the conversation there buddy.

Rofl, big and stupid? You are the one making those judgements. Thanks for the idiotic comment.

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Its a good indication of the current climate regarding harrasment.

So a few highly publicised events are representative of the whole.

If I find some popular cases of male college rape. Does that mean it's a good indication that male students are generally rapists?

when I see feminists regarding gradeschool level jokes between friends as harrassment, I have to question the validity of claims of harrasment.

So what you're saying is over-active feminists are harming your views on women.

Are you incapable of sifting through the bullshit? What's next, do you think most women will call you a rapist if you upset them after consensual sex?

No, but it makes me question the current feminist line of thinking that we should never, ever, ever question the validity of an alleged victims claims.

There's a difference between appropriate legal skepticism in regards to claims of rape and treating every case as likely being a lie.

Thats nice, but you made a claim about wife beating. Find me one single upvoted post on that subreddit that advocates that.

I made a guess, not a claim, about that users personal views based on their comment and their subscription to TRP.

4 day old account not even gonna let you derail the post.

Indeed no role models if that was the case. Americas men are slowly fading away.

I agree there's something to be said about US manufacturing. You buy instead of fixing. Everything is made to be replaced. My grandfather made a living wage as a radiator repairman in Chicago in the 1930s-40s. Many trades have been made obsolete.