Take a step back and look at the big picture. France got hit. That means, within a one year period, France, Canada and Australia have all had attacks attributed to (or linked with) Islamism. Since 2001, that makes it these 3 countries plus the USA, Spain and Britain.

This could be part of a trend. But if these are false flag attacks, they are working quite well. All of the major western countries are getting one single attack by Muslims. These attacks serve as the problem. Then comes the predictable reaction.... which will be met with the offered solution.

More security measures. Less freedom. More support for whatever wars. It's been almost a thousand years since the last Crusade. Looks like we're due for another one. You can laugh at my use of the word Crusade if you like. But just take one more look at the countries that have been hit. Three English speaking countries, plus Spain and France.

I'm guessing it won't be too much longer before there's a false flag hit on Germany.

That means, within a one year period, France, Canada and Australia have all had attacks attributed to (or linked with) Islamism.

Ding ding ding. And remember the Canadian attack wasn't even really about that, they just linked it to that in the media for long enough to make everyone scared of ISIS and ready to let Harper sign in new laws.

It's to get them all on board an alliance for united military action.

This could very well be globalism in the making

9/11 already set that in motion.

War on Muslims is globalism?

Possibly a combination of real+false flags. It doesn't matter if the attacks are individuals or government constructions. They eventually serve the same purpose.

Remember that guy who flew his Cessna into an IRS building? Yea me neither. White guy trying to kill innocents, although is terrorism, it doesn't fit the narrative very well.

What about the guy who made the tank in his house and then enacted revenge against government employees who screwed him with zoning laws?

That's quite literally terrorism. violence for political means.

WTF? I didn't hear about that...can't find anything either. What should I search for? Got a link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

You should read the whole story, it's pretty crazy and I think a lot of people were on his side becuase of how they screwed him. I think he only hit government buildings and people who had fucked him over.

oh wait, yea I do remember...the armoured bulldozer guy.

They wanted a new villain.

They had the Nazis, then they had the Russians. The USSR died and suddenly, Islamic terrorism became big.

Oh, and coincidentally, most of the Islamic countries also happen to sit on trillions of dollars of oil.

Consider that Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia's national oil company, has been valued at $7 trillion dollars - 11 times the size of Apple - and you get an idea of what's at stake here.

This could be part of a trend. But if these are false flag attacks

TLDR: Spain was hit BEFORE their big election which was between two parties: one FOR the Spanish involvement in the neocon wars, and one that was NOT. Terrorist act was to build outrage in Spain against moslems.

My article on 9/11 and connected global terrorist incidents (definitely NOT done by "the toilet" or "al kaida"):

http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2012/07/fun-and-games.html

My speculation, broght to you by my conspiracy brain covered by a generous tinfoil bandana:

The Spanish Election was crucial to the "coalition" of countries fighting in Iraq, the neocon flagship project at that time.

Spanish general election, 2004, Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_general_election,_2004)

There were two main forces fighting for power in the 2004 Spanish election, the Leftists and the Centre Right (typical European system of multiple parties and alliances).

The Leftists were opposed to the Spanish participation in the Iraq war, and simply put wanted to withdraw Spanish troops and other assets from that conflict.

The old 'Domino Theory', where if one domino falls, others follow - in this case, withdraw from the support for the neocon war in Iraq.

The Centre Right party, if they won (as was expected), would keep the Spanish troops in Iraq and keep the Spanish flag in the 'Coalition of the Willing'.

After the 9/11 incident, Americans bayed for revenge and were easily manipulated into taking "revenge" on a country which had nothing to do with the 9/11 event - Iraq.

The country united behind the president and party in power and unanimously supported every decision without question.

It was a close election, and the Centre right party and its leader needed some help, in order to win, as (2004 Madrid train bombings Wiki):

The bombings occurred three days before general elections in which incumbent José María Aznar's PP was defeated, despite its small but narrowing lead in opinion polls.

However, the powers that be miscalculated the European mindset, and

In a result which defied most predictions, the opposition Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE), led by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, won a plurality of seats in Congress of Deputies, and was able to form a government with the support of minor parties. The socialists received more votes than expected as a result of the government's handling of the 11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings. In the early moments following the attacks, the national government maintained the theory of the ETA responsibility; when evidence pointed to the possibility that an Islamic extremist group was behind the massacre, the ETA theory lost weight. If Islamic extremists were responsible, the attack could have been perceived by the electorate to be a consequence of the Spanish government's support of the invasion of Iraq. One of the explanations for the PSOE votes was that a certain number of voters, known as the original non voters (who did not intend to vote in the elections like in prior elections), went to the polls for PSOE. Also many members of United Left (IU) switched sides and enlarged the PSOE votes and decreased those of IU.

The incumbent and his party had a small lead, but it was narrowing, but unfortunately for the (nameless to protect the guilty) bumbling intelligence agency assessment and prediction, the bombing galvanized the Spanish not into American style revenge mindset ('Let's bomb some ay-rabs!') but into a cowardly, scared, petulant population, not willing to support a military venture with money and soldier lives that had nothing to do with Spanish nation's interests.

But the 'Domino Effect' was spot on, as the 'Coalition of the Willing' disintegrated in 2004:

Multi-National Force – Iraq, Wikipedia:

2004 withdrawals

Dominican Republic — 302 troops withdrawn by the end of May 2004, shortly after Spain and Honduras withdrew their contingents, citing growing domestic opposition and the fall from power of PRD candidate Hipolito Mejia and the election of center-left PLD candidate Leonel Fernandez to the presidency in 2004. The decision to withdraw came just two days after President Mejia promised to keep the troops in Iraq until the expiration of their mandate in August. Dominican troops were under constant mortar attacks but suffered no casualties. While in Iraq, the troops were under Spanish command (South East Iraq).

Honduras — 368 troops withdrawn by the end of May 2004 along with Spain's contingent, citing that the troops were sent there for reconstruction, not combat. While in Iraq, the troops were part of the Spanish led Plus Ultra Brigade in South East Iraq.

Hungary — Hungary's contingent of 300 transportation troops had begun arriving home in Budapest from Iraq on December 22, 2004, reported by the AFP. All of Hungary's troops were reported by the Defence Ministry to have left Iraq by the end of that day. While in Iraq, one Hungarian soldier was killed in an insurgent attack.

Iceland — Iceland had a total of three troops, including two Explosive Ordnance Disposal experts, a medical advisor, and some transport experts assigned to the Danish unit immediately after the occupation began; they have since been withdrawn.

New Zealand — Two rotations of 61 military engineers, known as Task Force Rake, operated in Iraq from September 26, 2003 to September 25, 2004. They were deployed to undertake humanitarian and reconstruction tasks consistent with UN Security Council Resolution 1483; they were not part of the invading force. While in Iraq the unit was under British command (South East Iraq) and was based in Basra.

Nicaragua — 230 troops left in February 2004, no replacement, attributed to financial reasons. While in Iraq, the troops were under Spanish command.

Philippines — 51 medics, engineers and other troops led by Jovito Palparan were withdrawn on July 14, 2004 in response to the kidnapping of a truck driver. When the hostage takers' demands were met (the withdrawal of Filipino troops from Iraq), the hostage was released. While in Iraq, the troops were under Polish command (Central South Iraq). During that time, three Filipino soldiers were wounded in an insurgent attack, although none died.

Spain — had 1,300 troops (mostly assigned to policing duties) in Najaf and commanded, through the Plus Ultra Brigade, the troops of Honduras, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic, and of Nicaragua. Newly elected Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero fulfilled one of his campaign pledges and declared the end of the mission on April 28, 2004 with the withdrawal of the last 260 troops. While in Iraq, Spain lost 11 military personnel: ten killed in insurgent attacks and one in an accident.

Thailand — Withdrawal of the last 100 troops from Thailand's 423-strong humanitarian contingent was completed on September 10, 2004, in accordance with Thailand's mandate in Iraq, which expired in September. Thailand lost two soldiers in Iraq in an insurgent attack.

Simply put, the 2004 Madrid bombings had the opposite effect of what was intended.

This ends the rampant, tin foil speculation of yours truly.

FYI, this is one of my best articles when I used to give a shit.

World War Three: The Dark Crusade

I'm guessing it won't be too much longer before there's a false flag hit on Germany.

Germany is the key player here. Because Germany has the relationship with Russia and Germany basically runs the EU. They have to get Germany on board against Lebanon and Iran.

Lol Iran? You realize it's been Sunni terrorists, what does that have to do with Iran?

Because that's where ISIS is, conveniently...

Uhh you mean Iraq and Syria or did I miss something saying that Isis is now a Shia movement based out of tehran

Syria and Iraq are neighboring Iran, Iran is the real target.

I thinking you're getting caught up in your own bubble here.

ISIS is a sunni mercenary group that is basically a consolidated al quaeda, fighting against shiites and kurds in what likely eventually be redistrictee as greater kurdistan. Hezbollah is probably the only thing standing in their way, but they are threatening both lebanon and iran. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/09/iran-says-it-s-under-attack-by-isis.html

Problem, Reaction, Solition...

It's been almost a thousand years since the last Crusade. Looks like we're due for another one. You can laugh at my use of the word Crusade if you like.

You might be absolutely correct and crusade is the correct way to put it. It's always Muslims that do everything and they've made them into villains so that they can be attacked. The whole Israel and Palestine conflict is probably leading up to a crusade.

Germany is interesting to watch. An attack here would seem a lot less likely than in France or England. I'm not sure if there are a lot of people on this subreddit from West Europe, but countries like France have had serious problems with integration of Muslims into society for decades. This is what we are told lies behind the attacks. People drift away from society, finding no connection with their values and radicalise because in these groups they feel like they belong somewhere. Now, Germany also has a huge Muslim population, but integration here has worked much better. There are loads of Turkish immigrants, and they generally adapted better to Western society. Therefore I would find an attack in Germany hard to believe. Also I think taking Australia into account is dumb because that seemed more like a crazy individual than organized terrorism.

Google Pegida. That was some demonstration a few weeks back in Germany that was anti islam. Just wait and suddenly some "terrorists" decide that they want to retaliate for that meeting.

You know, I was watching some of those demonstrations on the news. Then they showed some other demonstrations that were supposed to be counter-demonstrations to the ones in Dresden. But then I wondered to myself "What if these crowds are demonstrating against immigration too?"

What if it's the media trying to make it look like there's lot's of support for high levels of immigration into Germany from Muslim countries? I've seen proof that CNN fakes stuff all the time.

Germany treats the Turks terribly

Stretch it back a little longer and you have the murder of Lee Rigby in London in May 2013.

You're completely ignoring attacks in India, Nigeria, Southern Russia, and Xinjiang.

Yeah, the train station in Russia that was bombed.

That was in response to Russia defending Syria with their navy in the mediterranean, Bandar Bush even threatened to do it beforehand.

The thing that boggles my mind is that people continue to believe whatever their governments and politicians tell them.

These are professional liars. And yet you believe everything they say?

WTF people?

It's funny when you think about it. Many people wouldn't buy a car from a used car dealership because "those people are probably dishonest scammers who will try and fuck me over". Yet somehow, politicians and the top people in the government are all OK and would never try and do something sneaky.

It's a mental disconnect. I guess people can handle the idea of a crooked salesman because it's something you can deal with. Maybe the idea of a bunch of crooked people in positions of power is just so uncomfortable to think about that it can cause many people to subconsciously choose to believe something else.

https://vine.co/v/OHDUqnKZnBr

Wasn't 100% sure about the meaning of the word Crusade. Google it, definition showed before me, all made sense. Absolute perfect choice of word

I'm guessing it won't be too much longer before there's a false flag hit on Germany.

They were pretty fast

I honestly think this could be a copycat attack. There's also a chance that it's some anti-immigration types hoping to stir up some anti-muslim sentiments.

Actually the attacks in Canada were not seen as Islamic-based, unless by outsiders. Every poll taken in Canada links the attack to mental illness, regardless of the person's personal beliefs. The issue I see is that for some reason people instantly want to take out all muslims because a couple douchebags took a life. Think people, stop wanting to go to war over small (albeit tragic) things. Yes it is insane that this happened, it would be more insane to have anyone but the people directly responsible brought to justice. Killing hundreds of Islamic people will only further the cause of the few moronic Islamic extremists and bolster their numbers. The news causes more damage with its BS than the attacks cause themselves

1. this has now been corrected and only two people are being searched for
2. charlie hebdo has been publishing offensive content for more than 30 years, every week, and some of its members have been designated as targets for many years
3. the level of threat was supposed to be more calm - and the inside cop was there to protect the director of the journal who was personally on hit list
4. well they shot at the police, killed a cop... and escaped...
5. they did not want to be identified immediately, but they wanted to make sure their revendications and affiliations are known
6. shit happens
7. actually, it was published on Facebook first... this website just decided to republish it without checking for facts when the rest of the press wanted to be more cautious
8. they were not coming back from syria, but had been involved in a failed attempt to go to Iraq through Syria a few years ago
9. everybody knew that Charlie Hebdo editorial meetings were on Wednesday morning... it was part of the storytelling of the magazine, with frequent references to it in its articles

...5. If they "wanted their affiliations known" then there are more direct ways than an ID, which is not an "affiliation card".

You also speak of them as if they were suicide attackers, expecting to be identified posthumously, which wasn't the case. Anyone who intentionally leaves behind ID and survives is begging for a manhunt. Was being hunted part of their plan?

If they wanted to be caught, then why did they leave?

Maybe we will see them get Jack Ruby'd? So inconvenient if they're alive to testify.

Finally, and most importantly, "conveniently-dropped ID" is like a hack screenwriter's trope from bad movies. We've seen it before with Van Der Lubbe & Satam Suqami, and it's a joke for us to be expected to NOT notice that we've seen it before. Don't they have better script writers?

Which begs the question of why debunkers such as yourself suddenly appear with previously unseen participation on this subreddit to model such stunning gullibility and non-skepticism when it comes to believing that all hapless, incompetent terrorists magically have the same "dropped ID" technique, and that we should believe it, every time, without noticing we've seen it before.

Edit: typo on "trope"

I said they wanted their affiliation known by shouting what kind of organization they belonged to, and why they were there, not by flashing their ID.

The ID was probably there to help their escape, like going through airports or trains.

As of why I am here? Well man I don't know. I am french, I have been watching the news and discussing it a lot with friends, I was stuck at home today and I felt like reading some conspiracy shit about this. Thus I arrived here. And it felt juicy.

The ID was probably there to help their escape, like going through airports or trains.

they used AK47 at the gas station and so on.

You've got a pretty erratic posting behaviour

I never said that they prepared and executed their attack like "pros" - whatever that means. And it's not the point anyway. Things went wrong after the shooting. They were chased. They had to leave their car in a hurry. They left things in it, including weapons and one of their ID Card. And now, instead of being abroad, they are hiding in the countryside north of Paris.

I am not a conspiracy type person. I think most of the people posting in this subreddit are nuts.

But, when I heard that they left their ID in the car, I really felt that something sketchy was going on. I honestly think that was a plant, even if the ID is for someone with a ton of "priors."

I 100% agree with all of your other points. "How did the killers manage to get away without being caught by the police?" What a stupid fucking question.

That is now all "conspiracy type people" or "tin foil hats" or "nutters" get their start.

They see something that looks sketchy and then start looking down the rabbit hole, finding more and more sketchy crap, reading about real conspiracies. The more you realize, the more you look, before you know it your friends think you're crazy but you feel like you are seeing more clearly than you ever have.

It is a bitter pill to swallow because then you learn that the world is run by liars, cheats, and murderers.

It is a bitter pill to swallow

You got the bitter part right. This place is an insanely bitter place.

the world is run by liars, cheats, and murderers.

No shit? But everything isn't a conspiracy to keep the sheeple in line. Leaders don't need to kill their citizens to keep people in line. All they have to do is make them sated. These conspiracies are pure insanity. It's just not needed to accomplish the things that "conspiracy people" think they're trying to accomplish.

The deeper you investigate what strikes you as suspicious, the less you'll find your conviction for official narratives being the norm will hold.

You saw that a shoe fell out of the car during one of the videos right? So.. it wouldn't be unlikely that they changed clothes in the car at some point. Which... wouldn't be unheard of to leave a wallet in the clothes.

Skepticism to some of the people in this sub doesn't mean what they think it means, some of them think it means "ignore everything the news says and come up with your own answers". Not all of them, but the most vocal certainly.

I could be ascribing too much intelligence to the dudes, but if I'm planning on murdering people, I'm not going to take my ID with me. That just seems like a really dumb thing to do.

It's just too convenient. "How do we know who it was? They left an ID behind!"

I'm not saying I think the government did it. I think it's more likely the perpetrators left it behind on purpose.

That would be possible.

It is pretty obvious to me they were trained in yemen probably, since the US and french intelligence agencies working together have claimed that one of them had spent time there.

You don't have to be a genius to think, hey if I leave my wallet behind, they'll know who I am and will go search my apartment (which they did), while we are driving the totally opposite way (which they did)

Did it ever occur to you that they left fake IDs in the car to mislead police? Yesterday an 18 year old kid was named a suspect despite having hundreds of people who can attest that he was at school at the time of the attack.

Nice job overlooking the most likely explanation.

Nice job overlooking the most likely explanation

After spending some time reading this sub I am convinced that most people here hate "the most likely explanation" because it does not fit their agenda that everything which happens is a conspiracy or a false flag operation or whatever.

their agenda

there is no agenda, just something loosely known as 'the truth'.

something to aspire to after learning the details and discussing and pondering details.

The most likely explanation is that leaving their IDs in the car was a fuckup when they had a car crash which disabled the car, and having to leave in a panic in which they prioritised moving the weapons to the other car.

I don't think I will take my id card with me if i'm going on killing spree.

You would if you were planning on leaving the country immediately afterwards.

would be moronic to use or attempt to use a known radical muslim ID or passport after this attack, they were on govt lists, an appearance at a port would get them arrested or questioned at the least.

Here's the biggest one to me.

The suspects were named on the news because one of their IDs was left in the car. The 18 year old suspect turned himself in immediately because he said he didn't do it and was at school, and had seen his face all over the news. So we can conclude almost certainly that it was his ID, or his brother's, that was found in the car.

So, doesn't this make it pretty obvious that the ID was dropped to send the police on the wrong trail?

Didn't we see the same thing happening in Sandy Hook? The ID card of his brother on Adam Lanzas body?

9/11, and I think a few others where the IDs magically survived.

Edit: That latest copkiller incident in PA.

Also the passports of the MH17 victims found in mint condition.

Paper can survive towering infernos, silly.

Wha? Source?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y1iokM6R2o

some of them are even punched/invalidated... has this video been debunked somewhere?

Yes, this false ID narrative was last featured in the American version of this event, which was the character entitled "Ryan Lanza."

i wonder if the shooters counted on being filmed from that balcony, we know they were all white, so if the id is brown....

And they conveniently shouted "Allahu Akbar" into the camera.

Why do you say they are all white?

They looked white to me too which is why I was confused...

have you watched the video of the shooting?

I have seen the video of them on the street shooting the officer and then getting into the car, is that the one you mean? You can see some of the skin around their eyes, and it does look lighter on the spectrum, but not so much that I could say conclusively. Also, Algerians have fairly light brown skin compared to Arabs.

Is there a particular section of video which you feel shows their whiteness?

I feel the evidence that it was these two brothers is highly sketchy at best, but the video evidence does not, to me, indicate the shooters were "white," which is a fairly nebulous term to begin with.

Why would they ever give them their brothers Id to throw then off the trail? God damn that is autistic.

Somehow people here don't think a criminal leaving his brothers id to confuse them is autistic.

Or they were all stolen IDs and the masked men were actors executing a script written for them to perform.

Okay sure. Or maybe they were aliens. But that doesn't change what he said.

Lol remind me not to commit crimes with you guys. "Hey they have no clue who we are so I left my brothers Id, they'll never suspect us now!" Autistic as fuck.

I think most people recall that the Mossad hit squad who was caught all on camera in Dubai all had stolen passports.

The photos of their id card and their credentials first appeared on an israeli website[1] . This information usually stays top secret.

An Israeli website? Imagine that!

Boy, those Zionists are REALLY on the ball when it comes to sleuthing "Muslim crimes", aren't they?

I took the liberty of archiving that Israeli news story - Just in case it should "disappear".

Here is the original: https://archive.today/v4owV

And here is the Google Translated version: https://archive.today/7xf4s

Perhaps pertinent questions to ask:

How will this tragic massacre influence public opinion of Muslims / Islam worldwide?

How will this change in perception affect Israel? Might heightened fear, hatred and xenophobia against Muslims it benefit the Zionist State in any way?

France announces plan to recognize Palestinian state at UN

France announces it will vote for PA's UN bid

Which naturally raises the question of MOTIVE, doesn't it?

The first question that should always be asked in these situations is who benefits???

I for one am finding it increasingly difficult to accept the idea that this attack was carried out by fanatical Muslims supposedly "avenging the good name of the Prophet"... the international implications for ALL Muslims are far too broad.

Have you gone on twitter and seen all the idiot fanatics who support this attack in Europe. These retards aren't thinking about the international implications when they pull this shit

It's typically accepted about here that the government has sock puppet accounts across social media, therefore, using all those idiots on twitter as proof of your point would make someone, myself this time, ask why you believe those are real ppl, or not paid to post accounts to get ppl set in a fevor. Sure, then real sheep follow the breying, but before twitter is sourced, i'd like to know which accounts started this shit storm, so to speak.

You really over value how competent various governments really are, it really is the best conspiracy. Twitter is so broad and diverse in its idiocy that while governments really probably try to influence it, the sheer number of fucking idiots that tweet their dumb bullshit would drown out any government plot. People are really just that generally fucking stupid to tweet that extremist bullshit, I really wish it was a gov plot cause that would give me more faith in humanity that they weren't so god damn terrible

If Kim Kardashian can put together a twitter campaign, surely the world's most well funded intelligence agency has more of a chance of doing something along those lines?

edit: just aweful grammar on my part.

Yah but it's a question of need. You really think the CIA has to make a twitter campaign to make it look like there are a bunch of shitheads there? Have you been on twitter? If this is the case then I would say about 99% of twitter is CIA plants cause twitter is fucking god awful

i don't tweet, i'm not a 14 year old girl o.o;

An Israeli website? Imagine that!

Boy, those Zionists are REALLY on the ball when it comes to sleuthing "Muslim crimes", aren't they?

rofl, not SITE again??!!??

-They initially went to the wrong address

-The cartoon on Twitter that prompted them to attack was reportedly posted minutes before. Then hours. Then it was blamed on a much older pic.

-The woman that drew the old pic to which the blame shifted was the one who punched in the door code to let them in.

-They were killing cartoonists by name and let her live.

-Suspect number three was at school during the event.

-Reports of emergency services at the scene in waiting.

-How the fuck were they allowed to get away? Where was the chase? How is the "more email surveillance" and "more press censorship" response going to help in stopping mercenaries escaping?

-The footage everyone was debating was captured by French-Jewish website JSSNews. Same site that "broke" story on first aid anti-semitism pills sold in France with Netanyahu backing and OJE.

They escaped in a different car to the one they arrived in. Different car was driven by the accomplice (I am guessing)

Otherwise interesting points. ID card thing is definitely hard to believe

ID cards and passports... They have a way of showing up in suspicious scenarios.

They stole the second car, and the third guy was in class during the shooting, he's been released.

So he is just a nut?

The kid? He turned himself in when his ID was found and has a classroom full of students to verify he was there.

So there goes the credibility of what we have been told.

The masked men could have been anyone. Were these Mossad agents with more stolen IDs, that they left in the car to pin it on "Islamic Radicals"?

Credibility? This happens in honestly... almost every single shooting that ever occurs.

You'd think at this point people would realize that witnesses almost always are not to be trusted due to extreme mental duress, and the police are always going to trust them at first, because to do otherwise would be dangerous.

Do you really think that the dozens of shootings in the last ten years, where multiple shooters are claimed and turns out untrue, are fake?

A witness said he saw a third guy leaving the scene on a scooter, I don't know why the name of Mourad Hamyd got out but this guy went himself to the Police last night with his father to clear the air. The school he was in at the time of the shooting is at a 2 hour drive from Paris.

First car was found 85 kilometers from Paris. 85 kilometers! Hell, they probably went camping after the shooting!

And it happened on Orthodox Christmas.

That's an interesting coincidence.

Russians are orthodox, right? Hollande warns Putin about a U.S. false flag and gets one himself?

That's Russian Orthodox you mean. Greek Orthodox have it same day like Catholics.

and wheres the blood on the sidewalk after they shot the cop lying there

I watched the video many times and you can definitely see the ricochet of the bullet off the pavement but there is no blood splatter at all.

They missed his head. Also the video isn't that long. If he just got shot and started bleeding he wouldn't have a huge puddle around him.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/can-you-shoot-someone-in-the-head-from-point-blank-range-and-there-be-no-blood-wtf/

Clearly wasn't shot in the head.. I meant shot else where in the body.

Well obviously you CAN shoot someone in the head or in the body without having it explode everywhere at once. There are many ways someone can be shot. One of them just happened under your eyes on this video.

But you can go on comparing a bullet going through a human body with a bullet going through a watermelon all day long.

-The offensive cartoon was published in 2011, why attack now?

It is not about one joke, it is about many.

The rest of your poiunts are defintely interesting

EDIT:

Just fact checked my self, they were attacked in 2011 and 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo#November_2011_attacks

The police is looking for 3 people, one is said to be the driver although the video clearly shows that they are only two.

The third person allegedly helped prepare the attack. Or provided the means necessary to get away. Or whatever. He turned himself in when he saw that he was being sought so this suggests he doesn't know why he is being wanted. He was at school during the day.

The offensive cartoon was published in 2011, why attack now?

Nope, they continued publishing cartoons of Mohammed. Like this one from last october. They continued publishing Mohammed and islamic cartoons the last few years. They had been getting increasing threats for a while now.

The Journal's office was protected by a permanent police patrol for years but this security measure was lifted only a few weeks before and it was downsized to one cop inside the office.

Not trying to critique this as I haven't heard anything about this yet. Could you provide a source?

How did the killers manage to get away without being caught by the police?

They hijacked another car quickly. It isn't impossible. It's no inconsistency.

The killers are heard Allahu akbar just to make sure everyone knows they are islamist yet they wear masks and don't want to be identified.

Man, we better show our faces huh. Why even try getting away then?

The suspects are identified thanks to an identity card found in an abandonned vehicle.

They quickly hijacked another car. Everything had to happen quick. Also apparently they found molotovcocktails and flags in that car as well. They weren't as meticulous as some of you guys like to think.

The suspects are known by the police for coming back from Syria.

Source? Also, why is this an inconsistency?

A Charlie Hebdo reporter told that the attackers had to have been informed that the editorial meeting was taking place, otherwise there are not many people on the premises because the journalists from Charlie Hebdo only gather in their Paris office once per week.

Yes, like pretty much every other news outlet. If they had one fixed date, it's not that hard to find out, is it?

On the reason why the security was reduced, Le Monde has a full paper about it: http://www.lemonde.fr/attaque-contre-charlie-hebdo/article/2015/01/08/comment-les-autorites-justifient-la-modification-dans-la-protection-de-charlie-hebdo_4551456_4550668.html

They quickly hijacked another car. Everything had to happen quick. Also apparently they found molotovcocktails and flags in that car as well. They weren't as meticulous as some of you guys like to think.

Then, when you watch the video of the shooting of the policeman on the ground, why are they just casually picking up a sneaker even though they all had sneakers on?

? Where did that shoe come from then? DID SOMEONE PLANT IT THERE? IS IT SOME SORT OF SYMBOLISM? /s

It was his shoe. It took approx. 0.5 seconds to pick it up.

Before you go and say that that is the same time they would've needed to get their ID: who knows where it was laying in their car between all the molotovs and flags???!!! I for sure don't. Neither do you.

They've made cartoons involving islam and muhammed many times in between 2011 and now. The quote doesn't imply one specific cartoon.

we need a timeline, with france's palestine statements etc

Hey they forgot to leave behind a copy of the Koran this time!

Alright let's answer this point by point:

• The third person they were looking for gave himself up to the police because he was innocent and had proof of this. He was probably part of the suspects because he had been linked to them by intelligence which turned out to be wrong.

• These men were known by the French justice system, one of them had been in jail and the other was known to have gone to Syria. Planning a terrorist attack and acquiring assault rifles without raising suspicions when you know you're being watched probably takes some time.

• They had been under protection for a long time and the last attack had happened a long time ago. It's possible they decided to downsize because the threat had abated. It's also possible the terrorists had been watching the office for a while and noticed the car no longer being there, which might have triggered the attack, also explaining why they waited this long to attack.

• They were in and out pretty fast (under 5 minutes). They changed their clothes. They changed cars. Unlike in movies where a flashy car chase looks better, in a case like this it's not uncommon for the perpetrators to initially get away and be caught later.

• They don't want to be caught by the police. They were hoping they would get away with this, hence the masks. Allahu Akbar to make sure everyone knows who's responsible for the crime and what happens to people who insult the prophet. That didn't quite work out for them.

• They were in a car accident and changed clothes. It's pretty likely he either left the ID in the clothes he changed in or it was knocked somewhere in the crash and he forgot about it in his hurry to change car.

• They say they found a copy of the ID card on Facebook. When the police released the names they probably did a google search for images and found it.

• One of them did. The other was put in jail before he could leave. I don't understand how that's an inconsistency. You can't arrest everyone that returns from Syria.

• A couple of weeks of watching people entering and leaving the office would yield that information. If you're planning a major terrorist attack, spending a bit of time watching the place seems like pretty standard practice.

You do realize this happened yesterday and most facts haven't been released yet. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy.

This whole post is reaching at best. Ridiculous...

-Why did the cop pretend to die when the shot missed his head?

-Why was the street clear? Was it blocked off for a drill?

Why did the cop pretend to die when the shot missed his head?

So that the attacker would think he was dead

Why was the street clear?

Probably a low traffic side-street.

Nope, he was right in the guys face when he shot and deliberately missed.

It's always the 20 day old accounts that are first to disregard conspiracies.

Is it?

Why did the cop pretend to die when the shot missed his head?

This is the most retarded thing I have ever read. Congratulations.

Really? Your comment may be the most retarded thing I've read - seems you haven't even watched the footage. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ec_1420640263

I saw the footage yesterday, and my comment stands. What the fuck did you expect the officer to do? "Hey mate, you missed! Tell you what, I'll stay here, come have another pop." No. Pure fear takes over and he probably genuinely thought he was about to die. Pretending to be dead is the smartest thing to do. Anyway, the sound of the gun that close by itself is enough is enough to make him react like he did.

You don't flop and act dead at that range where it's obvious the gunman knows he missed.

What makes you think it missed his head? He looked quite dead to me after that.

Zoomed and slowed.. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ec_1420640263

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It sucks that you have to read it. I feel for you, man.

-The offensive cartoon was published in 2011, why attack now?

-The Journal's office was protected by a permanent police patrol for years but this security measure was lifted only a few weeks before and it was downsized to one cop inside the office.

You answered yourself.

Police presence is reduced? Time to attack.

The killers are heard Allahu akbar just to make sure everyone knows they are islamist yet they wear masks and don't want to be identified.

How is this even a point? They want people to know their motivations but don't want to be held personally responsible.

It's two separate things:

Being identified personally means not being able to escape and plan other actions. Thus the importance of being masked.

Being able to state your affiliations and the reasons of your act is key to terrorize people. Plus they were proud of it. Thus the shouting about Allah, etc.

Yes that's one possible explanation. But how do you know they were proud of it? Have you talked to them?

So far the only evidence I've seen pointing to these brothers are the IDs, which is somewhat less than convincing. I'm not making any claims as to who did this or why, but at this point, none of us know.

Can you provide more than your one cite?

you list a lot of "facts" with only one cite. Where are you getting this information?

Its not that I don't believe you. It is that I have never read any formal investigation that had no cites. Without some clear evidence trail people will have trouble believing you (in the real world). Plus I don't have time to do all original research and fact check each bullet point. You should make it easy for the reader to side with you rather than give them a research project.

edit: just checked and this is true of most every post in this thread

" -The suspects are known by the police for coming back from Syria."

How is that an inconsistency? can someone explain?

"-The killers are heard Allahu akbar just to make sure everyone knows they are islamist yet they wear masks and don't want to be identified."

you should probably visit liveleak

"Allahu Akbar" is proof of nothing. Remember the Israeli SITE Intelligence videos of ISIS on a desert set somewhere? No "Allahu Akbar" in those.

Not sure if serious...

Rita Katz's "Jihadi John" quadrilogy or whatever had no "Allahu Akbars", and this was cited as evidence they were fake. Now these mercenaries were shouting "Allahu Akbar" and this is also being used as proof that it's fake.

My point, still, is that "Allahu Akbar" proves nothing.

Rita Katz's "Jihadi John" quadrilogy or whatever had no "Allahu Akbars", and this was cited as evidence they were fake.

This is false. The evidence they were fake was that none of them show any beheadings (at least the first four were blatantly edited to not show the actual beheading).

And SITE, a private, US-Corporation, is the only source if the videos.

Now these mercenaries were shouting "Allahu Akbar" and this is also being used as proof that it's fake.

No, the way that these fellas apparently spoke perfect French by saying they "avenged Prophet Muhammad" and they admitted they were "al-Qaeda in Yemen," are why this event is being discussed as possibly being illegitimate. Stop moving goalposts. Some of us are still paying attention.

My point, still, is that "Allahu Akbar" proves nothing.

Wouldn't you know it - we finally agree on something.

Perhaps you missed the last 24hrs on reddit, but yes, people are using "Allahu Akbar" as evidence they were Islamic terrorists. The same way masked mercenaries shout "Allahu Akbar" when killing innocents in Pakistan, convincing the media, only to have the Taliban say it was Blackwater.

I've been here the whole time (look at my history).

This has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Don't be obtuse. Who shouts "Allahu Akbar" and when (Israeli propaganda videos, mass murders, Crisis Initiation events) is the topic, and in that context Pakistan, Sydney or Ottawa are all relevant.

Who shouts "Allahu Akbar"

In the simplest of senses, people who want you to hear them say allahu akbar.

Actually they were not coming back from Syria, but one of them tried to go to Iraq through Syria a few years ago. But he failed quite miserably and got arrested before leaving France.

-The killers are heard Allahu akbar just to make sure everyone knows they are islamist yet they wear masks and don't want to be identified.

They're yelling allahu akbar to announce their motives. Just because they revealed they're Islamic doesnt mean they don't care about being identified.

The two covered their face with masks. They are not ISIS suicide soldiers but well trained special task force. They were planned to be escaped.

They will be replaced by sacrifice brothers just like what happened in Boston bombing. It's not a coincidence that they have Zhokhar Tsarnaev on news now. A psychological show of a plot.

I feel like point 2 and 3 in your post kinda go hand in hand.

Just saw on CNN. Al-Qaeda still threatening France. Is that right?

Here's my short answers..

1. Just because 2 were on video? What if there was a 3rd lookout? Regardless, 3 turned into 11 shortly after. And as in every situation like that, there's a lot of initial confusion.

2. Attacks like this take a lot of time/money to prepare, and 2011 wasn't their last offensive publication on Islam.

3. After a long period of time of not receiving any threats, police tend to downsize, rather than use up all their resources.

4. Because it's France. They're not used to criminals carrying AK47's around like in America.

5. wear masks and don't want to be identified. .. Well, no shit, why would they want to be identified?

6. What does this have to do with anything?

7. It's not Top Secret after they shoot 12 people and are now being hunted.

8. But what can the police do? The muslims are calling the race card more often than African Americans.

9. This information can EASILY be found out by anyone with a little Social Engineering.

"The police is looking for 3 people, one is said to be the driver although the video clearly shows that they are only two."

The 3rd "driver" actually turned out to be some 18 yr old kid who was in school at the time and a bunch of his classmates corraborated the story. How the heck this kid's name came up in the first place, I don't know.

How did the killers manage to get away without being caught by the police?

This is what has been bugging me actually. If you look at their getaway route on google maps it is ridiculous to think they would have actually planned it. The alley street is very narrow and the boulevard they turn into only goes one way. Do a street view on google maps and you'll see. Police could have easily blocked the alleyway. Somehow the suspects managed to elude police for the next 2 days after that.

this really was a conspiracy, three fucking nut bag terrorists got together and came up with a conspiracy to commit murder, which they then followed through with

You lot are fucking morons.

R/conspiracy detectives on the case!

i wonder if the shooters counted on being filmed from that balcony, we know they were all white, so if the id is brown....

So he is just a nut?

Why would they ever give them their brothers Id to throw then off the trail? God damn that is autistic.

Somehow people here don't think a criminal leaving his brothers id to confuse them is autistic.

Didn't we see the same thing happening in Sandy Hook? The ID card of his brother on Adam Lanzas body?

...5. If they "wanted their affiliations known" then there are more direct ways than an ID, which is not an "affiliation card".

You also speak of them as if they were suicide attackers, expecting to be identified posthumously, which wasn't the case. Anyone who intentionally leaves behind ID and survives is begging for a manhunt. Was being hunted part of their plan?

If they wanted to be caught, then why did they leave?

Maybe we will see them get Jack Ruby'd? So inconvenient if they're alive to testify.

Finally, and most importantly, "conveniently-dropped ID" is like a hack screenwriter's trope from bad movies. We've seen it before with Van Der Lubbe & Satam Suqami, and it's a joke for us to be expected to NOT notice that we've seen it before. Don't they have better script writers?

Which begs the question of why debunkers such as yourself suddenly appear with previously unseen participation on this subreddit to model such stunning gullibility and non-skepticism when it comes to believing that all hapless, incompetent terrorists magically have the same "dropped ID" technique, and that we should believe it, every time, without noticing we've seen it before.

Edit: typo on "trope"

Yes that's one possible explanation. But how do you know they were proud of it? Have you talked to them?

So far the only evidence I've seen pointing to these brothers are the IDs, which is somewhat less than convincing. I'm not making any claims as to who did this or why, but at this point, none of us know.

I saw the footage yesterday, and my comment stands. What the fuck did you expect the officer to do? "Hey mate, you missed! Tell you what, I'll stay here, come have another pop." No. Pure fear takes over and he probably genuinely thought he was about to die. Pretending to be dead is the smartest thing to do. Anyway, the sound of the gun that close by itself is enough is enough to make him react like he did.

You've got a pretty erratic posting behaviour

I think most people recall that the Mossad hit squad who was caught all on camera in Dubai all had stolen passports.