This needs discussion. I don't think they are "softening" us, I actually think they are waging an industrial war on other energy producers. They are trying to get fracking companies, and other expensive energies (solar, wind etc) to go out of business, or at least slow them down.

I'm not so sure these 28 pages are going to be released anytime soon. Why are you so sure?

Forgive the outdated phrase, but I'm seeing a 'tipping point' of increasing attention by the press, citizen demands, recent bi-partisan actions in Congress and weakening obstacles all leading to an imminent release. Of course this is my viewpoint, and there can be no 'certainty'. As to your other point, I follow that industrial war on energy producers. Getting US oil production down through market manipulation is speculated to be a driver behind OPEC's drop of prices per barrel. Remembering an $800 check we got from W.Bush to 'stimulate the economy' felt more like a payoff for his corrupted time in office. I get the same feeling about OPEC and the Saudi's that control it, gifting billions back to Americans as a pre-emptive payoff for the brand and image they'll need once it's made public that they hit us in September.

Markets always fill needs. Demand for new oil producers is low now. That makes shale extraction unprofitable. However, they aren't hurting competition as markets will always find equilibrium as long as they can last.

I really feel like the whole oil play is to hurt Russia since the U.S. Seems to view him as a threat and they're very dependent on oil exports for their economy.

Larry Silverstein, Dominick Suter, Five Dancing Israelis...Those don't sound Arab to me.

The Push to Blame Saudi Arabia is 911 Bullsh*t of the Third Kind, after Osama bin Laden and nineteen crazy Arabs did it, and GW Bush & Dick Cheney were the responsive parties, come in at numbers one & two. IT WAS JEWS.

Witness Jews hoppin' about in glee filming the destruction of the twin Towers, and thousands of Jews absent from their workstations at the WTC.

After warnings to stay away were distributed by the Odigo Hebrew language messaging service, and according to James Randi from NY synagogues the Friday before!

After reading the links you cited, I found your claims contradict your source material. For example 15% of the WTC victims were Jewish. The Odigo message, likewise was not specific enough to support your claim. This is a serious discussion, and I thank you for contributing, however the tone of your comment and your anger towards one culture and religion further make all of your claims feel unreliable.

NYPD helicopter pilots made no attempt to rescue those trapped behind locked fire doors, on the top floors of the WTC Towers.

The Talmud says "if you see a Christian in danger of death do not save him," sure it was Jews responding to the mores of Judah .. the NYPD pilots knew there were no Jews in the buildings.

Since Jews had been warned to keep away, the single Israeli killed was there on business according to Alon Pinkas Israeli Consul in NY.

Lt Richard Smiouskas FDNY said November 27, 2001, he witnessed ppl being "forced out" of the windows at the upper levels of the stricken North Tower.

The official death toll of some under three thousand, is to fit the four hundred dead Jews on the death list, who stayed and threw others from windows according to Smiouskas testimony..

Who were sold out when the NYPD choppers never showed up .. retribution by way of arrest, trial and execution under the capital precepts of United States Law, should result in millions dead!

I am against these fuckers that have subverted us since ww1 but honestly the answer to this is you don't land a helicopter on a burning building, especially a collapsing one. Even if you're able to take off a couple seconds prior to collapse (if you had notice) the sudden drop of the building causes the air to pull even hovering aircraft in with it, similar to that of when a ship sinks.

By Scot J. Paltrow and Queena Sook Kim, Staff Reporters of The Wall Street Journal, October 23, 2001.

"Within minutes of the first air strike on the World Trade Center, September 11, 2001, an NYPD Bell 412 helicopter with a 250 foot hoist and a three man crew trained for rooftop rescues, piloted by Detective Greg Semendinger arrived at the WTC.

In 1993 after a bomb exploded in the WTC basement garage, sending thick smoke up through the stairwells, Semendinger lowered two men to the roof of the same North Tower, who removed antennas to clear a landing area, from which 28 workers were airlifted to safety."

Semendinger remains culpable, for refusing to deploy the trained rooftop rescue team directly after the strike on the North Tower at 8:47 am .. the structure never collapsed until 10:28 am, he had plenty of time sod him!

Plenty of time but he didn't want to take the risk of losing another aircraft, that would have been hell too.

Pakistan's ISI funded the attacks, and the ISI was probably funded by the CIA.

The CIA had paid al Qaeda and the Taliban through the ISI since their founding by the George H.W. Bush lead CIA in the mid 1980's.

Mahmoud Ahmad of the ISI had his assistant write the funding check for Mohamed Atta the lead hijacker.

Ahmad Umar Sheikh, who worked for Ahmad wrote the check for $100,000.

From all I could gather in these 13 plus years, the Saudi's had little to do with it other than donating the patsies.

Having had close contact with Mahmoud Ahmad at the critical point in time and not captured him but actually acting as his friend, Bob Graham and Porter Goss are people who could tell us who the plot was really hatched and carried out by.

They are certainly central characters in the attacks of 9/11 and they need to be confronted by the entire nation.

edit,added the word 'as' to make the sentence make sense.

I'm not 100% convinced the shocking revelation is its Saudi arabia. When this first become a topic a while back, it was framed in the context of it will fundamentally change how we view who's an ally in the Middle East...so if it's Saudi arabia...What could be in there that we don't already know...

I suspect it points the direction to someone else we are besties with.....no matter what, friends to the end.....

Interesting thought, but i heard a more convincing explanation for the drop in oil prices.

It has more to do with (possibly intentional for malicious intent) the expansion of oil rigs and infrastructure to ptoduce much more oil than we (the world) need and can consume, causing the companies to eventually close shop and hurt the economy quite bad.

Im unfamiliar with the intricacies, as i cant recall all the details, but it was a fairly convincing explanation that ties into the economic manipulation of the worlds bankers that cause the 2008 recession and possibly the great depression back in the 30's.

Similar signs are showing up that indicate that this drop in oil prices are a bad, bad thing. But, it is nice to fill up my tank with $25... So we will see i guess.

Maybe both ideas (yours and this one above) are tied in together? Maybe phase two is being enacted? Phase One is 9/11 to get proper legislation drafted and enacted, Phase Two is economic destruction to justify enforcement of said legislation?

None of you people who consider this serious talk belong around here /r/conspiracy. Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSjyvIHVLw

Your whole debate is transcended by knowing these few facts. Google on it, Prouty was a true hero. Not the sharpest tool, but a hero.

Oil is not a finite resource, and the second most common thing to water.

You have, perhaps, a narrow view of those that are /r/conspiracy participants.

You can't keep the masses dumb, cold and shivering if you educate them but you cannot educate people by berating them for their lack of knowledge or by withholding knowledge. That's what greedy corporatist, war mongers and politicians do; it's not what /r/conspiracy is about. IMHO.

Thank you for posting your excellent source! Here's some new science to add to Prouty:

http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2011/04/discovery-backs-theory-that not.html

Thank you. Very neat.

Your arrogant and condescending rant fails to address the two questions posed. Perhaps you are the one who doesn't belong here.

I shall politely refrain from answering you, but you should return to /r/politics, where small minds like yours belong.

"I try to...let everyone have a voice." Your words. Good luck with whatever you're struggling with that restricts your social interaction to filth and contradiction. ;-)

The Saudi involvement is a red herring anyways. It's just there to distract. Also, I've seen some people say that Saudi involvement is mentioned all throughout the report anyways. So why is this section so special?

If they're telling us it points to the Saudis...it probably ain't the Saudis. Who could it point to that they would never want us to know about? Who has that much influence in Washington that could get those pages redacted in the first place?

Syrians? Libyans? Iraqis? Who could it be?