/r/thathappened - 3/10

Seriously, this is just one guys story, about another guy spinning a story.

Not in the slightest bit credible. Even if it was 100% true, it is still a completely worthless anecdote, sorry op.

But we give all the credence in the world to the guy who knew the family who lost a kid in Sandy hook. Just sayin.

Chris kyle was not on team 6 and he had nothing to do with the bin ladin raid.

I have no idea what your conspiracy is even about.

Ps, that guy was totally fucking with you.

Chris kyle was not on team 6 and he had nothing to do with the bin ladin raid.

There may be more to it that I am missing. I can certainly be open to that as a probability more than just a possibility.

Upon reading more about Kyle, in particular, it appears there was also some controversy over the truthfulness of his book. However, this would still not take away from the fact that the publicity made Kyle a known entity who could confirm or deny what he knows about the situation. He clearly posed a potential problem.

So do you have something other to say that contributes to the conversation other than you think that I am a sucker?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/02/chris-kyle-widow-former-navy-seal-died-because-somebody-wanted-to-kill-him/

Chris Kyle’s Widow Has a Theory: Former Navy SEAL ‘Died Because Somebody Wanted to Kill Him’

Again.. as was stated in the OP, I don't know if they have been killed or, as the guy said, "reshuffled".

From what you posted, are you claiming he was ST6? He was ST3 from his Wikipedia entry.

He was identified as among those who were involved in the bin laden raid. Whether we call them Seal Team or DEVGRU is really inconsequential. So what are you trying to get at?

It's pretty well known and documented what has happened. There are plenty of links in the OP.

http://nation.time.com/2011/05/13/the-outing-of-the-seals-has-secdef-ticked-off/

Later the same day, May 3, Vice President Joe Biden let the cat out of the bag. While the press had been reporting SEAL Team 6 carried out the mission, no one in government had confirmed that fact.

this is exactly what Biden said:

Let me briefly acknowledge tonight’s distinguished honorees. Admiral James Stavridis is a, is the real deal. He can tell you more about and understands the incredible, the phenomenal, the just almost unbelievable capacity of his Navy SEALs and what they did last Sunday.

So it would appear that Biden identified the seals and the press ran with the Team 6. I don't see that this detail about which number would change anything. Kyle was a known associate and, thus, another "loose end" to be tied up. I reckon there is probably more to the story that has not been figured out yet.

Who knows for sure? They could be "reshuffled" for completely different and unrelated circumstances. I just don't buy this bullcrap.

Identified by who

Though a trained member of the SEALs — the elite unit which conducted the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound in 2011 — Kyle was still not yet an authorised sniper when, borrowing his unit commander’s rifle, he made his first ‘kill’ in March 2003, just two weeks into the conflict in Iraq.

Maybe you are correct?

Two previous evaluations had recommended Kyle for SEAL Team Six, the unit that later killed Osama bin Laden, and Kyle had received two Silver Stars for his achievements in combat.

So whether Chris Kyle has become "mixed up" by the media with the actual team 6 members or whether he was actually there is very unclear. As you can see from the first quote, he is identified as someone who would be "in the know" about the situation. This still makes him a known entity and loose-end. I think we can agree that you don't want these guys to be identified. Furthermore, there really isn't a way for us to verify who actually did what, which is why Biden's statement caused such a problem in the first place. Still seems very clear that he was a known loose end from all the coverage he got.

Interesting though... I'll look into it more.

He's on Conan O Brian clearing stating he was never on ST6.

Kyle wasnt even in the navy at the time of Neptune's spear.

This story is 100% false.

So some guy on an airplane just decided to dump a lot of highly classified information onto a complete stranger?

I don't doubt you're reporting something that really happened to you - but I'm super-skeptical that someone would risk not just his future career but possibly the safety of himself and his family - just to chat to a random seatmate.

If this guy actually knew these things, he wouldn't tell you. My assumption is that he's guessing really hard...

dump a lot of highly classified information onto a complete stranger?

I did not say that. Perhaps you should read exactly what I wrote:

After that, we had a conversation that lasted for about 3 hours. During this time he intimated that he had access to a lot of classified information that he couldn't tell me about when discussing various subjects. He assured me that he wouldn't tell me anything that would get him, or myself, in any trouble.

That said, I want to make this very clear: He in no way shape or form confirmed or denied the story.

We spent a good half-hour talking about hunting too. At least put a little more effort into building a better strawman than "OMG A STRANGER WOULDN"T DUMP CLASSIFIED INFO!"... because I never claimed that he did.

At least take the time to read and comprehend before you make a lame attempt at discrediting me.

To give you an example, the 9/11 subject came up and he didn't tell me anything other than "There were communications problems." That's not revealing classified info, either.

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Sounds to me like a civilian contractor trying to make himself sound cooler than he is.

Most likely. If it was anyone with any kind of clout he wouldn't be openly talking about his line of work with Joe Schmo.

Why don't you just respect the men that died for your freedom enough to stop spreading rumors and conspiracies about them. First, we don't even know if you are just making this up or not, there is no proof that you talked with a man like this and no proof, that I see right now, that you even took this flight. Second, if you did take this flight that man might have only been a military contractor (does not mean they build infrastructure they could be providing security) and not a JSOC unit member there is a big possibility he was bs'ing you.

You can't find a dead man

so what happend with the family of chris kyle? did he take them with him, or did he just left them behind? would every team member of st6 just leave their loved ones behind?

i dont think this adds up... but who knows...

Creating a new identity for someone is not very difficult. Find a nice place in South America. Wait until the media storm blows over and then relocate the rest of the family to that location. I honestly have never studied exactly how they get people new identities and how they relocate them.

Again, I can't imagine it being very difficult. Just a nice retirement to any country outside of north america where they can blend in would do. Nobody is going to recognize these guys in another country.

Like you said though... who knows?

yeah but what would you tell to the rest of the family? there are just to many lose ends in my opinion but i gues we will never know.

what would you tell to the rest of the family?

I think that, by this time, their family would kinda know what their occupation is. Not only that, but these guys were (whether all of this was real or not) put in danger by Joe Biden's huge gaffe of identifying them.

When put to a choice of a husband with a target on his back that endangers not only himself, but his family or getting a new identity and relocating, I think most wives and family members would be pretty darn understanding about the situation.

Wouldnt they just relocate him AND his family using traditional relocation means? Ive never heard of someone putting their kids through the trauma of thinking their dad is dead - when they could just as easily come up with a fake identity for the whole family, like in every other case

Still steaming

In a way, honestly, I feel bad for a person like that. He probably thinks he's "in on it" and understands the way the world works but in reality he's being completely misled and deceived and is literally nothing more than a tool of rich men who don't want to get their hands dirty, a hammer slamming down nails with no concept of what he's helping to build (or destroy) - to be discarded as soon as his usefulness is depleted.

But I feel a lot worse for all of those who brainwashed drones such as himself have killed and continue to kill with no real concept of why they're doing it other than that they were told to.

they kill for money and their career, its that simple really. a job for long duration career soldier types. and the ones that are really good at it.

and some of those they kill are real 'bad' guys, that can be a bonus.

You don't have to lie to make yourself feel special. And Chris Kyle was on seal team 3 and had nothing to do with the Bin Laden raid.

This story is badass... If it is legit, then that is a hell of an experience you had.

Could you tell us what you told him you thought happened?

What I told him was what I told you above.

The simple TL;DR version is this:

The Bin Laden raid was a lie. Biden slipped up and identified people who would be able to reveal that the raid was a lie. This left them in the position of having to tie up these loose ends. They had to be gone so they were either actually killed or just "reshuffled".

Did you ask him about anything else? I probably wouldn't have been able to shut up, if only to see his reaction to things I said.

Yeah. we talked about a lot of things. I've written about this before in a few other places:

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2py24k/barack_obama_signs_massive_defence_budget_1/cn17w81

here is a better link where I has a conversation with /u/Ambiguously_Ironic about it: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kncnv/dont_believe_that_an_assassin_could_have_taken/cln59j1

Read those and then if there is anything more you wanted to know, I would be happy to answer.

Thanks for sharing, I actually remember reading some of this before and it was always really interesting.

That's a shame.

Kyle was about the biggest piece of crap America had to offer.

Why's that?

Anybody who bragged that they 'killed 34 nigger looters' after Hurricane Katrina is a scumbag. A whole bunch of other things too... I encourage you to research what this murderer did when he was alive.

Happen to have a link to a reputable site that isn't based on conspiracies so that I may read up on that particular allegation?

Bragging about killing the enemy in iraq is one thing, hell a large number of military people do it. No pile of bodies with .308 holes in them was ever found in NOLA, and from what ive been able to find on him regarding Katrina is nothing but rumor or hearsay.

I think it was empty bragging but anyone who would do this is an arrogant asshole. He said him and a friend did it and that he 'bagged' 34 'niggers' himself--plus the dozens of lies he told about Jesse Ventura. Jesse sued him and won IIRC.

The man was NOT a nice guy and arrogant as hell.

Edit: here's a WashPo link. They took out the 'n word'. I'll try to find the original link.

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/>

Woah, this is weird as hell and I know it sounds crazy, but I'm pretty sure I sat next to the same guy on my flight back from France a few months ago, twirly mustache and all. We spoke for what seemed like the entire flight, but in reality was only about 2-3 hours. He told me about 9/11, the Bilderbergs, JFK, HAARP, and before slipping on his headphones and dozing off for the reminder of the flight, he told me to be on the look out for a series of false flag operations later in the year. It's amazing who you'll meet on airplanes these days!

you forgot the /s

These guys, at least the one I spoke with, would not be comfortable saying something like "watch out for false flags". They take security and secrecy very seriously.

Your story doesn't really add up to me, but you may have just run into someone with loose lips.

Seriously?

Do you have a problem? If you have something to say, go ahead and say it. Cut out your shitty trolling of the entire sub.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2sax2m/fuck_rconspiracy/

Whoosh

LOL - I know right?

I think my one word said more than your shitpost of a made-up story.

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Rule #10: Do not attack the sub.

Ensign if you don't like depthcharges get out of the ocean

Yours is a lot more believable...

Did you ask him about anything else? I probably wouldn't have been able to shut up, if only to see his reaction to things I said.