Free energy will eliminate poverty, slavery and and all other sufferings. That is why the real terrorists won't allow it to happen.

I second that. The idea with terrorists doing a lot of damage with it is plausible, yet you can do just as much damage with enough fertilizer. I wonder which is cheaper...

Probably the "free" one.

Though I don't think worrying about terrorists is a valid reason to suppress free energy.

That's what I meant. There are already enough ways to do a lot of demage.

If the destructive energy is around the 10¹¹³ joules in the free energy device then a bomb made of fertilizer would look like a candlelight in comparison.

I always find the term "free energy" confusing. There is no "free" energy because energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

Then call it reuse of energy.

I need some source or I can't take you seriously.

it would knock Big Oil out of business as well as force the auto industry to design new cars, don't forget buses, airplanes,

it would help the environment; something corps are not interested in

Why don't we have free energy yet? Well I actually think that there might be 2 main reasons

I can think of a third, far more likely reason: physics simply doesn't allow for it.

Yeah if you're operating from an outdated version of physics...

*Physics as we know of

Ding ding ding! Winner!

According to science one cubic meter contains 10113 joules of energy because of vacuum/zero-point energy.

Yes, and it will remain there, because it would be virtually impossible to extract it. We just aren't that technologically advanced.

Is that what you really think or what they want you to think?

I'm not as up-to-date with physics as I was in the past, but I've seen nothing to suggest that free energy devices work in any form at all.

If we could make one that was powered by the hopes and dreams of its viewers, then we might conceivably have a reliable power source.

Until then, I will just sit and wait to be proven wrong.

I would quite happily tell the electricity / gas companies to go screw themselves and hook up a free energy generator to my house instead. But until I can buy one, I have no belief in them.

But until I can buy one, I have no belief in them.

How do you expect to ever buy one if.

1. It is considered a matter of national security.
2. Patent offices wont grant a patent.
3. The science behind it is classified.

To me it looks like the only way to ever get your hands on one would be to either make it yourself. Or get some help from the free energy enthusiast. (They are considered nuts anyway so who would belive their claims if they succeded).

who would belive their claims if they succeded

Everyone, if a working prototype was made. Or the science was shown.

Everyone, if a working prototype was made. Or the science was shown.

In time yes. But the funny thing about breakthroughs is that it takes time to adjust to the breakthroughs. The wright brothers were laught at until people discovered what they had done, Peter Higgs were laught at when he explained his theory about the higgs field, Tesla had to fight Thomas Edison in the War of the currents before society implemented the AC system.

So no. Everyone wouldn't necessary belive them (especially not in a time where computeranimation can perform wonders).

Right, which is why I said everyone would believe them if they showed the science or built a working prototype.

Like this Cold fusion or not cold fusion or This one

Sort of. Obviously there is more energy going in than coming out, so it's not "free energy". And without verification, it's hard to tell if it really is a working prototype.

I'll go option 3: Laws of Thermodynamics don't allow for it.

I'll go option 3: Laws of Thermodynamics don't allow for it

Actually some of the laws are probabilistic. (like the law of entropy). So I wouldn't be so certain about that if I were you...

In the now outdated view of physics, yeah.

In the now outdated view of physics

Can you explain?

/r/holofractal

Oh, God, not that drug-infused hypothesis...

It's almost as bad as geocentrism/flat earth theories.

Ugh those.

Free energy would lead to overpopulation, TPTB are going to teach us a lesson about scarcity before they let us have it.

Law of conservation of energy.

Law of conservation of energy only states that the total energy of the universe is constant because energy can neither be created nor destroyed. (even though it is also said that virtual particles come into existance all the time and that empty space is filled with energy).

However that doesn't mean we can't harvest the energies that are all around us this very moment (like Quantum fluctuation).

Some are even trying to do this Video and Video2

Oh yeah and some are even saying that Bill Gates have looked into cold fusion (or LENR as it's also called Video)

That is the magic word buddy, "harvest". To harvest such energy, we need an equipment for it. To have an equipment, there is upfront cost. If we have an equipment, there is maintenance cost.

Free energy is impossible, Cheap energy is possible.

It's free in the sense that you can harvest the (free) energy that is constantly up for grabs all around you. Sure, making the device and maintaining it would cost you some, however this would be irrelevant once the device produces more than you spend (if it does so).

Besides: We live in a universe filled with energy and we haven't paid shit, so everything around us is actually free (it's just society who have created the idéa of money and value).

Free in a way is not "free". I think you already answered your own question that it is the society who is responsible for not having free energy. I am an EE student on my hopefully last semester now and if I managed to discover a way to cost-efficiently harvest energy, I will charge you for it, maybe not that much but you still have to pay a penny for every kW-hr it produce.

Free in a way is not "free"

True. Which is why I have corrected my mistake in my previous post to:

We live in a universe filled with energy and we haven't paid shit, so everything around us is actually free (it's just society who have created the idéa of money and value).

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I will charge you for it, maybe not that much but you still have to pay a penny for every kW-hr it produce.

And what if I make my own? Then I don't have to pay you anything. Ha! Checkmate!

So you are just a troll, I thought you are at least sensible to have an argument with.

No, i'm not a troll I just can't see how you expect me to argue against rhetorical comments that are deliberately designed to dismiss and end any form of further arguments or discussion?

What about that childish reply? You make your own, you will pay for raw materials. If you have a device, you should maintain it. Even if it is cheap, you are still paying for it.

Cheap energy is possible, free energy is not.

What about that childish reply?

Childish? To me it sounds completely rational that I won't have to pay you if I build my own energy device.

Cheap energy is possible, free energy is not.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that the device is based upon permanent magnets and that these magnets have to be replaced every 50 years or so. However the device harvest so much energy from the environment that you have the potential to create more magnets so that you can build more devices and replace the old magnets when needed.

Sure, it may cost some to build the device and pay for raw materials, but the energy is still up for graps whenever you need it and can provide you with almost unlimited energy.

Now imagine what would or could happen if we implemented this technology in society: Electric cars could run for 50 years before the magnets would have to be replaced, same thing with our entire energy-grid. The prices on raw materials would totally drop, maybe even disappear comepletely because of the unlimited energy.

Anyway: If the words "free energy" hurts you so much, then we can also call it unlimited energy, zero-point energy, vacuum energy, revolution energy or everywhere energy. It's of no importance to me.

Better call it renewable cheap energy, and we call it a day.

It seems that you does not know a thing about power system. Give me the specifications of your proposed device and I will give you the numbers.

Well it doesnt have much to add to this conversation other then. Even if people dont believe me, I have seen a triangular UFO with my small brother and 2 friends. That flying device had no visible propulsion. Didnt hear any noise, all we could do is stare at it as it pass right over us and faded away in the horizon. What kind of energy could produce enough magnetic force to cancel earth gravity? You need some bad ass technology for that. So If my story is true, this proove science is missing on something big, very big. Because of my story I believe that theres maybe humans who fly these devices and are preventing this information to become public, and so slowing humanity advancement to abundance. This is why I do not trust our government for not releasing this information. Because I know what I saw, I know what it wasn't (superman, batman, plane, helicopter, paratrooper, birds, ...). It wasnt like any other aircraft I have seen in documentaries, books or videos. So it is either some black secret project from a governmeent agency or it has green aliens inside and comes from outerspace or another dimension, whatever. I preffer the first answer so it means we have already achieved this technology. So If i could show you whats inside my brain you would have proof, but I cant.

To continue on your topic, nikolas tesla was creating a free energy device to distrubute wireless electricity all over earth, but because he couldnt charge people for it, its investor stopped the funding and push to close the project, they had just financed electric dams and didnt want to cut this new income from milking all its users.

I beleive the same thing is happening with free energy devices.

When Skunkworks said they are achieving cold fusion, I think that is a lie, all they want is financing for more toys of war.

To continue on your topic, nikolas tesla was creating a free energy device to distrubute wireless electricity all over earth, but because he couldnt charge people for it, its investor stopped the funding.

Actually it was J. P. Morgan who financed Tesla, but when Morgan found out that Tesla wanted to distribute wireless electricity all over earth Morgan cut his funding. This later meant that Tesla died poor in his apartment of old age. It is then said that FBI or CIA raided his apartment and confiscated some of his notes.

When Skunkworks said they are achieving cold fusion, I think that is a lie, all they want is financing for more toys of war.

I don't think this is the chase. Mostly because inventors/scientists like Eugene Mallove and others have been killed or died under rather suspicious circumstances.

Your first answer to my post, thats what I said, just not named names...

Your second answer, yeah even I know a scientist near my place, he has done a carburator on the molecular level, he can take air mix it with oil is gas form, and can completly burn it and in the process what exit the engine is pure air more pure that it was when it first enter the engine, by doing this method, he consume a fraction of what you usually need to run an engine, so on a full tank you can do 5000km, so you full your car at same time as your motor oil change. that is quite the feat, but even after approaching ford, nissa, toyota, ... he never got to be approved, he say they dont want my invention to be worldwide because people would buy less oil and so oil profit would plummet.

Your first answer to my post, thats what I said, just not named names...

Oh...Sorry...I just misunderstood you.

Your second answer, yeah even I know a scientist near my place, he has done a carburator on the molecular level, he can take air mix it with oil is gas form, and can completly burn it and in the process what exit the engine is pure air more pure that it was when it first enter the engine, by doing this method, he consume a fraction of what you usually need to run an engine, so on a full tank you can do 5000km, so you full your car at same time as your motor oil change. that is quite the feat, but even after approaching ford, nissa, toyota, ... he never got to be approved, he say they dont want my invention to be worldwide because people would buy less oil and so oil profit would plummet.

He should make the invention open source and let everybody on the internet copy his invention.

well he did spend some thousans developing the thing. he need to pay bills just like everyone you know. selling this is a normal thing. but he couldnt patent it because the science behind the process.

i did many project with him. transform plastic into diesel and wax. gather wind and solar energy to lit light bubls for third world countries

i dont remember the exact word for the thing. but some kind of cell that absorb light and with some other tech behind he increased the output and you can plug a oven or something like that and it has enough power to work. then u close the loop and it doesnt require any more wall electricity.

a wind propeller so good with magnets it can gather momemtum from almost zero wind.

he sold some of this studf in filipine. thats it so far but hes grtting old and will probably retire soon

Or, number 3:

The free energy devices so far created don't work.

What he said

We don't have free energy because the proposed generators either violate thermodynamics, or try and tap a source that's usually not viable. And as for cold fusion, we tried repeatedly to prove it, and constantly failed.

Probably the "free" one.

Though I don't think worrying about terrorists is a valid reason to suppress free energy.

Law of conservation of energy only states that the total energy of the universe is constant because energy can neither be created nor destroyed. (even though it is also said that virtual particles come into existance all the time and that empty space is filled with energy).

However that doesn't mean we can't harvest the energies that are all around us this very moment (like Quantum fluctuation).

Some are even trying to do this Video and Video2

Oh yeah and some are even saying that Bill Gates have looked into cold fusion (or LENR as it's also called Video)