I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed by the reaction to this.
You guys don't see it, but the /r/conspiracy mods do...Flytape is one of the most dedicated and passionate mods of this sub. We don't always see eye to eye, but I have to say, I will defend him to the end. He's the real deal.
Unless more evidence is forthcoming, I'm extremely suspicious of his ban. He's one of the most reddit-savvy folks around.
Dare I suggest that there's a "conspiracy" surrounding his ban...
Although I don't always agree with flytape, he seems absolutely genuine, a very good defender of this sub from shi/tro-lls and drive-by cretins who come here to disrupt. I hope he is reinstated.
Oh come on, what are we supposed to say without breaking the rules?
Undoubtedly /u/Flytape was a hindrance to lots of original /r/conspiracy users, I saw some bannings that were totally unjust and I read more recent comments by /u/Flytape that were totally unacceptable which he deleted when someone pointed them out. Personally I had nothing against him, but I can see what he stirred up and am not surprised by the reactions at all.
It's not just the now happy tards and SRD regulars, who I suspect would secretly love to be here more :-)
Undoubtedly /u/Flytape was a hindrance to lots of original /r/conspiracy users, I saw some bannings that were totally unjust
Really now? Name one.
I read more recent comments by /u/Flytape that were totally unacceptable which he deleted when someone pointed them out.
BS, I don't delete my comments, ever, even when down voted into oblivion or linked to by drama subs. You're outright lying about that, what's your game?
Find one single example of a comment I deleted ever, it shouldn't be hard since pretty much everything I submit is immediately archived by SRD or duckvimes.
No, that was when I mentioned the obvious "swarmfront" gaming of this sub, and you banned me.
Then you told me, "If you want to go fuck yourself now I'm sure SRS would let you borrow a variety of dildos" after I asked why I was banned, even though I never have taken a pro SRS or SJW stance. I'm just for the white supremacy bullshit to stay in its own subs, without spilling into discussions of conspiracies.
What you actually did was attack the OP because of his unpopular beliefs, which you failed to mention or quote when you sort of explained to AP why I banned you in SRD.
That's okay, I'm fine with you being unbanned as long as you follow the rules going forward. People have done far worse than you and have been given a 2nd chance.
Now as far as the white rights people being barred from participating in conspiracy, that isn't going to happen. They have just as much right as you have to comment wherever they want. You don't get to make choices like that.
As long as they follow our rules, as long as anyone follows our rules, they can participate here. End of story.
I didn't "attack op" I just pointed out that he obviously was part of the swarmfront brigade. I'm sure he didnt lose any sleep over it. And my ban actually came well after that comment when I pointed out that you were replying pretty snidely to people. You went through my posting history, found something you thought would violate the rules, and then banned me for it to protect your own ego.
At least the other mods saw through that and unbanned me.
Westboro Baptists are "dedicated and passionate." ISIS insurgents are "dedicated and passionate."
Dedication and passion do not a good mod make, in and of themselves. Those two traits enhance a person who has good skills in moderation - namely, conflict resolution (Flytape would start conflicts), mediation (Flytape would consistently take sides in disputes), and - most importantly - even application of the sub's rules in a fair manner.
Sweet heebus, was Flytape bad on that last one. Mass bans for anyone who dared show dissent (see: XKCD Kerfuffle), comment nukes, and generally childish attitude when it came down to people contesting bans.
He was not, by any stretch of the imagination, a good mod. He was a fanatical mod, which might be mistaken for quality if you squint at it funny, but in the end his behavior was detrimental. Now, as a user? Sure, those traits made him a great user and a major contributor. However, as is true in a lot of hierarchies - be they military, political, or communal - sometimes the best members of the community are not necessarily the best suited to lead it.
Sorry not buy your bullshit for a moment. Fanatical mods get the job done, there should be more of them, so we can clean this sub out and remove people who do not contribute to the issues at hand.
And so do military generals with twitchy fingers on the "nuke everything" button, but just because the job's done doesn't mean it's done well, or even in a manner that facilitates a good conclusion to the problem at hand.
"Clean the sub out" of who? By Flytape's track record, I can only assume you're referring to anyone who doesn't go with the hivemind? Because that's who Flytape banned - people asking for statistics, people asking for sources (besides Russian state-sponsored media and Neocities text pages), people disagreeing with the day's latest assertion of evildoing.
I suppose I should expound on what I said earlier - dedication and passion for a subject are enhancing traits, not good or bad of their own accord. You can be passionate, but being a passionate KKK advocate isn't necessarily a good thing. You can be dedicated, but being dedicated to genocide advocacy isn't a good thing, either. Conversely, you can be the reincarnation of Jesus himself, but lacking conviction to your cause you're no better than a random dude on the street who "thought about working in a soup kitchen once."
So yes, a good users - or moderator - must be dedicated and passionate. Why else would anyone want the fucking job? I've done it, it sucks (hell, it's what led to me getting doxxed). But those traits alone do not a quality moderator make; they merely enable the traits that do make a good moderator better. Skills such as impartiality, administration, and - most importantly - goddamn professionalism.
Moderators who - with regularity - call those they ban "faggots" pretty much fail that third element.
I became a /r/conspiracy mod in December of 2014. However, I've been posting conspiracy-related material to reddit since early 2007.
Can you say the same?
Why dont you guys just go make /r/wehatejews or something?
Why don't you actually talk the time to peruse my submission history to /r/conspiracy?
With the exception of one retarded Benjamin Fulford blog post that I submitted several years ago, which I since explained and debunked, I have zero submissions to this sub that have any relation whatsoever to Anti-Semitism.
The overwhelming majority of my submissions are vaccine and hidden technology-related posts.
Some of my dearest friends are Jewish.
If you were attempting a character assassination, you failed miserably.
I became a /r/conspiracy mod in December of 2014. However, I've been posting conspiracy-related material to reddit since early 2007.
Can you say the same?
Absolutely I can. Back when it was actually about more than israel, jews, and the holocaust. These days you get shadowbanned by flycock if you suggest that the jews are not satans minions on earth. So excuse me if I find this a reason for jubilant celebration and lets toast to the dream that the ignorant trailer trash never comes back.
And Im sorry "my friends are jewish" is fucking hilarious. If you are going to say that you are not the one pushing holocaust revisionist films and bullshit, then ok, if thats your story now.... Lets hope you keep it that way.
If you were really doing your job you would clean this place up, but whatever.
I became a /r/conspiracy[1] mod in December of 2014. However, I've been posting conspiracy-related material to reddit since early 2007. Can you say the same?
I wasn't particularly fond of him, especially his moderating style. He seemed super quick with the ban hammer. I guess you have to be in this sub, but it really tends to rub people the wrong way when you harass them and ban them before they get a chance to respond.
Disagreeing with other users, and calling them out on their BS using logic and science: banned.
His reasoning: You should let people say what they want without being attacked.
While I can see his point of wanting to create a safe place for fringe topics, stifling legit opposing views and comments by rampantly banning people is absurd, and overwhelmingly damaging to this sub.
While I believe the guy had good intentions in the beggining, and can kind of feel for the guy. He is too quick to ban people, and seems a bit too.. well, paranoid, at the moment (probably from the stress of moderating a crazy place like this). It is probably a good idea for him to take a break from moderating for a while.
Its the way you go about it that makes the difference.
attacking a person's character vs attacking the view point. If i was an mod I would be banning any and all attacks on peoples character. It doesn't bring healthy discussions and just ends up sidetracking the issue. An important point that people tend to forget is its that people deliberately use character attacks to distract from the real issues. Those are the kinds of people that dont need to have a voice. You want to talk about something talk about the issues.
Except that he has been shown to ban people for simply disagreeing with other members, time and time again. Not personal attacks, just differing opinions.
It's easy to tell where power doesn't belong when the power is literally unchangable by the people whom that power is granted over. You are on record saying "I will never step down no matter what" more or less.
This thread alone shows that a majority dislikes you having power over them.
That alone was enough info for me to know that you'd be back.
How convenience that you can just disregard that every single thread about you contains a majority of people who don't want you having mod power. Yet this 'magical secret smart people' are smart enough to know something else.
No.. we both know what it actually means when you said "I will not step down... no matter what"
It means you have no interest in anything except having the power.
They sure can, since I don't believe in most of the inane theories posted here, and I attempt to call out the ones who are mostly here just for "ze jews did it!"
It doesn't mean that I don't belong here on other ideas.
But... nice attempt at deflection. You attempt to do that in literally every single thread about you as well, almost always pretending like "your account is only blahblah old kek" or some such thing like you just tried with me is actually meaningful in some way. Sure seems like something "The smart people" would just laugh at.
Your commentary here is primarily focused on "calling people out" as you put it. Which translates in reality to being a dick. This subreddit isn't about agreeing with everything you read or the people posting it. Its about having the freedom to have a discussion about ANY topic without being bullied by SJWs who use terms like "I'm calling them out for their bad ideas".
So its no wonder that you don't like me, this is exactly the kind of behavior that I moderate!
In this instance, since the subject was about me being shadow banned and the subject was real and not manufactured by the drama club, I'm not moderating any of it. So enjoy your free pass to say nasty things about me here, but outside of this post you'll be expected to follow all the rules.
Yeah, I just said I call people out when I can see poor ideas and poor logic. I have my few pet conspiracy ideas, and I refute the completely bonkers ones.
This sub allows me to do that right? I get the same right to state my opinion as everyone else right?
I always follow the rules here, that's why I've never been banned on any of my accounts that I've used over the past 5 or 6 years.
What's funny, is that you are implying that you'd have banned me for what I've posted... yet I've not posted any nasty things about you. Everything I've posted is factual. I've broken ZERO rules in this thread. I have not insulted you personally, I have not insulted anyone personally, I've used no slurs, I haven't even accused you of rulebreaking.
The only one you could get me on is "Attacking a mod"... a reaaaaaal stretch!
Which seems to me, that's exactly why people don't want you as a mod. You think that anything I've said here is ban worthy? Yet you are pretty much implying you would have banned me and this is a 'free pass'.
Your ideas on attacking a mod seem to be censorship of being critical toward you.
I think most people should have noticed also, that you've deflected back to post history once again as basically your only point. I mean... me personally... i would feel a bit... weak, if that was the only thing I used in almost all instances such as this.
I have been extremely courteous to you here, I've not called you any names or done anything that was not respectfully dissentful.
Yet, I am told I would be banned, and I am basically called a shill.
It's kinda like my case is just falling into place.
What's funny, is that you are implying that you'd have banned me for what I've posted... yet I've not posted any nasty things about you. Everything I've posted is factual. I've broken ZERO rules in this thread. I have not insulted you personally, I have not insulted anyone personally, I've used no slurs, I haven't even accused you of rulebreaking.
The only one you could get me on is "Attacking a mod"... a reaaaaaal stretch!
What I said is that (long story short) the only people bitching about me are the ones who want free reign to socially punish people for having ideas that are "bad".
You can't talk about sandy hook cause of the children!
You can't talk about the Holocaust because of the Jews!
You can't talk about Iraq because of the war heroes!
Blah blah blah! We are assembled here precisely to talk about these things. So when those type people show up to derail the conversation with shame and ridicule, we remove them. Our rules are set up to disallow that behavior.
Well maybe you'll understand this more clearly then.
the only people bitching about me are the ones who want free reign to socially punish people for having ideas that are "bad".
This is untrue, and you know it frankly... can't be true.
Use me for an example. I have zero... absolutely zero interest in wanting to punish anyone for having ideas of any sort. I think posting them and being utterly unwilling to hear criticism of said idea is retarded sure (as evidenced by my constant laughter at how calling someone a 'shill' imo means said person is a total idiot who can't back up his claims properly). But posting ideas is absolutely fine, within reason obviously. I mean... I hardly think the community wants the front page filled with titles like "The godamn dirt jewbags did nuther crimes in the world"
I've broken zero rules, I've done none of the things you've mentioned in this post about "can't talk about this and that cause of this and that"
So... how does that fit into your idea here, where you clearly implied that a 'free pass' was all that was keeping me from being banned?
If you can understand why your... what amounts to a threat honestly.. doesn't follow your own standard of rules, then you should understand why not everyone who thinks you shouldn't have the power, and can't be throw aside with using your "no true scotsman" argument that "oh those people don't matter cause they aren't in the real group that matters".
No stance on the actual points made... just sticking with the no true scotsman argument.
Well... fair enough.
I'm on record quite a few times in this sub in telling people to chill out when dealing with the mods here, because I know that there is no change in the future.
No matter what happens, (yes I mean literally no matter what), there will be no change here. Which in itself says something pretty clearly.
I should have taken my own advice and played the game instead of around the game.
The only sad part is that even if you are 100% right, even if 99.9% of all the people who say you shouldn't be mod are trolls and come from /r/conspiritard, The mere fact that your power is untouchable by those you have power over is enough to know that the power shouldn't reside there. I can say that honestly because as we already know you've said "I will not step down as moderator no matter what"
And I have a lot of community support. When these threads aren't linked to metareddit, the votes look drastically different. We've seen it time and time again.
And as I've said, even if you could somehow prove you were 100% right without using no true scotsman. The main point I made from the very start still stands well above.
Here you are showing your true colors 6 months ago. And its reflected in your comments within conspiracy. And I absolutely understand where you formed your opinion about me.
I've already admitted I make fun of total lunatics, and respect my few conspiracies. What is your point?
Their in lies the problem, If you make fun people that have different ideas that you, you dont belong in r/conspiracy.
This is a place where Ideas can be freely discussed without ridicule. Thats the way we want it, that they way its always been, and that's they way it will continue to be.
Let me know when you are done crying about being what appears to be a sort of cognitive dissonance - on the one had you want your views to be heard. But when someone else wants to weigh on on something you dont want to hear it. You shut down by shutting other people down.
No, I make fun of people who give creedence to theories that are so insane that they border on something a 4 year old would truly believe if you told it to them.
There is a very big difference between that, and making fun of people with different ideas.
I do not believe 9/11 was totally an inside job, but I do not make fun of those who believe so. It is a valid idea.
You should be able to see the difference otherwise I'm not going to bother. Being so open minded that you will accept complete nonsense is equally as stupid as being so closed minded that you believe nothing.
I'm not going to argue with someone who is more or less defending the idea that Santa Claus might actually exist.
This is exactly the type of open mindedness that I was talking about. There's an obvious limit. Intense closed mindedness is stupidity, no different than intense open mindedness is stupidity.
We dont actually know if he exists or not. We have lots of content that tells us he doesn't exist, But in a little kids world he might exist. It doesn't really matter weather its true or not. Being in a dualistic world where the truth is hidden behind what appears to be a false reality one cant really know for sure if anything really exists or not.
There are no limits. The only limits are ones created within ourselves in an attempt to overcome the fear of the unknown which is really all about the fear of death. a psychological attempt at making us feel comfortable in a world of absolute mystery. Thats about as far as we have gotten.
This is one reason my post history looks the way it does. Talking to people like you who think you are somehow ahead of the curve...while all you do is talk incoherently and then equate the fact that most people ignore you, as somehow being too smart or enlightened.
You make no sense worth listening to. That's the truth. Sorry. As I've already said. I'm not going to argue with you about Santa Claus.
Its not really about being ahead of the curve, its about changing your awareness to one that supports you and the world that you live in -vs- acting from non-awareness diversionary mind set.
Im speaking to the true part of you that knows what I am talking about without ego and on some level you know it, thats all that counts.
Its easy to fall back on lines of thought that do nothing. I was hoping you were going to have something better than that, but I guess you dont have enough personal power to make that possible. Good luck.
Yes its proof that you don't have an open mind. If something strikes you as crazy then you automatically want to mock and marginalize the people talking about it.
Hah... Yeah you have to be so open minded that retarded things need to be considered in order to be taken seriously? Do you not realize how dumb that is though?
Are you truly telling me that I can make a thread about Santa being real and you'll take me seriously? Good grief man
Intent is all you need to make sense of anything, Content tends to distract from the real truth behind the message.
Its like having a lot to say but with the intent of misleading, or not knowing how to say something with the intent of being understood.
Intent is king, because the intent behind message is whats important, not the message itself.
You can spend all kinds of energy focusing on content and become mislead, or you can look at the intent behind what is said and derive meaning from that. I choose to focus on intent because it always leads me to the real truth.
No. I'm not a conspiratard or SRD person. You don't enforce the rules in a consistent manner. You let people whose only intention it is to disrupt slide by after multiple violations and then ban your own users when they push back against them.
That and the fact you act like a condescending jerk and don't do your due diligence doesn't help.
Who the fuck cares? I dont care if he is consistently not enforcing the rules, the guy is doing a great job of removing people that attack people who dont conform to popular opinions. Get over it.
Selectively choosing what evidence to believe, and what to throw by the wayside does not make you smart or right, it just makes you blind.
There is such a thing as a valid conspiracy, but most posted here (and reference in your comment) are unfounded, and rather then actually trying to prove such theories, /r/conspiracy ignores the evidence that doesnt match their side of the argument and treats these theories as fact.
Maybe this will change your mind: "September 11 - The New Pearl Harbour" - Perhaps the best documentary on 9/11 so far and goes into great analysis and details from both sides of the arguments.
I do think the holocaust happened
Most "Holocaust revisionists" don't deny the Holocaust, but think that history regarding the Holocaust was exagerated and has some half-truths in it and whatnot.
and don't think the oligarchs that run this country are a bunch of lizard people that hide symbols everywhere.
There are definitly oligarchs that run the US and else-where, but I would never bet money on them being reptilians. Symbology is often used by the top oligarchs and certain secret societies that certain oligarchs associate with.
Its not gonna happen. Im sure he will be back, he was a good mod. The only people that don't like him are people that try to derail conversations from my observations.
Which I would say that the removal of flytape as a mod, we can have better discussions, especially without drawing attention from the two previously mentioned subs. The guy was emotional, power hungry and even antagonistic, at times. None of which are good qualities fir a mod.
But can we agree to disagree? I hate these deeply threaded standoffs.
He was only this way with people looking to troll the sub, such as folks like this and people like bipolarbear.
Overall he was a great mod, who knew the meta well and defended free flowing information in a quite erudite manner.
This sub is left for the worse in the absence of his knowledge base of reddit trolls; and he will hopefully be able to return at the conclusion of this situation.
I haven't seen it. I was on this morning and his account was still active so no idea what's gone on over at SRD. Post any relevant links if you have them
I'd be careful to jump to conclusions though. I'm pretty sure recently they've been interpreting following the meta bot to where you were linked as brigading or whatever. Which I think is silly tbh.
I doubt it, we have users back brigading all the time. If that rule was put in place half the moderators on reddit would be shadowbanned. I'd bet a months shill salary it was vote manipulation if he has multiple active accounts.
Check the citizen prime thread in the drama subreddit. A few users talk about how they've been banned for it. Citizen prime is the user by the way. Titles something about unwritten rules.
If Flytape straightens this out with the admins there is no reason he cannot moderate again but as it stands now his account is gone.
Something similar happened with another one of our moderators some months ago, there was a mistake, he got his account back and he was reinstated to the mod team.
Maybe Flytape shouldn't have acted the way he did, but he got caught up in the drama that was specifically manufactured to discredit and rile up the sub. Does he pay an ultimate price? That's up to the community. But let's not let SRD influence the politic of this sub if possible, please.
/u/deadbossthrowaway sounds a LOT like "I did a drunken experiment"/u/BipolarBear0 - who ADMITTED to trolling this sub with anti-Semitic posts (and no doubt brigading them for upvotes from his minions) for the specific purpose of attacking/destroying this sub.
their obsession with subreddits designed to mock and discredit others as well geopolitics and news (or other "serious" subreddits) combined with their dedication (almost like a full time job) is suspicious to say the LEAST
I dunno if you can throw CN into this.. Plenty of bored dudes who love to troll.
I (a regular user) typically ignore most meme/top posts because they are obviously gamed/bought and paid for/used as distractions.
This is something that we as a community cannot combat (or at least I cannot figure out a solution).
However, it looks like these types of shitposts can apparently be weaponized, and Flytape (regardless of your opinion of his mod style/policies) may have been a casualty.
Reddit hasn't been owned by Conde Nast in 4 years and now functions more independently. Check up on your facts to see if they are outdated before spouting "agenda" bullshit. Goddamn
Yeah, its not a "Conde Nast Agenda" nor any parent agenda as Reddit operates mostly independently. Also I dont think "HEY ADMINS" works like a bat signal to call them, you might have better luck messaging them if a rule was actually broken. And drop the "SHUT THIS SUB UP" schtick, you sound like a typical tin-foil hatter which is why this sub is a laughing stock on reddit.
I never had much interaction with /u/flytape, but I certainly had no complaints against him.
He did stand up for me one time long ago: The notorious /u/BipolarBear0 had banned me from every sub he mods for what he called "racism" (he pretended not to understand the idiom "The squeaky wheel gets the grease")... I had never heard of /u/BipolarBear0, and had posted in maybe 1 or 2 of the subs he mods... and the post was NOT in one of those subs.
Anyway, I made a self-post on /r/conspiracy bitching about /u/BipolarBear0's heavy-handed and unjustified actions, and the thread went viral - at one point, another mod "disappeared" the thread, and /u/flytape stepped in to put it back up (THANKS, /u/flytape!).
The issue of the asshat /u/BipolarBear0 blew up - even attracting attention from news media outside Reddit. Opened up a big can of worms regarding censorship on Reddit. LOL!
Anyway, the asshat /u/BipolarBear0 is a DARLING of subs that HATE /r/conspiracy, such as SRD and Tard Island, and while I'm not very familiar with /u/flytape's activities aside from the occasional times I have seen him in this sub, I know that he is HATED by the TardyBoys, the Klown Krew at SRD, and a couple of other subs that I decline to mention due to nausea, but that have their stated goal as DESTROYING /r/conspiracy.
V for Vendetta
Again, I don't know what caused /u/flytape's ban, or what he does in other subs, but I do know that he has long been incessantly HOUNDED by some of the most lying, vicious, vindictive, villainous scum that has ever slithered out of the darkest, dankest cracks in the floor of Reddit's sub-basement - so he must have been doing SOMETHING right.
Right?
Also, is it just my dementia, or are many of those "celebrating" /u/flytape's demise in this thread total strangers to this sub?
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I think this stinks just a bit... I'm fairly new here and I've talked with Flytape before and he seemed like a genuine guy. He was trying to standup and help out someone with severe mental issues that the conspiratards had been harassing, I think they were trying to push him to do something crazy so they could have some lolz.
We all get pissed off and say stupid shit. I'm a bit saddened by this.
But should a new mod spot open up I think /u/JamesColesPardon would probably make a very good mod! Or if Flytape returns they could both be mods :)
Well maybe you'll understand this more clearly then.
the only people bitching about me are the ones who want free reign to socially punish people for having ideas that are "bad".
This is untrue, and you know it frankly... can't be true.
Use me for an example. I have zero... absolutely zero interest in wanting to punish anyone for having ideas of any sort. I think posting them and being utterly unwilling to hear criticism of said idea is retarded sure (as evidenced by my constant laughter at how calling someone a 'shill' imo means said person is a total idiot who can't back up his claims properly). But posting ideas is absolutely fine, within reason obviously. I mean... I hardly think the community wants the front page filled with titles like "The godamn dirt jewbags did nuther crimes in the world"
I've broken zero rules, I've done none of the things you've mentioned in this post about "can't talk about this and that cause of this and that"
So... how does that fit into your idea here, where you clearly implied that a 'free pass' was all that was keeping me from being banned?
If you can understand why your... what amounts to a threat honestly.. doesn't follow your own standard of rules, then you should understand why not everyone who thinks you shouldn't have the power, and can't be throw aside with using your "no true scotsman" argument that "oh those people don't matter cause they aren't in the real group that matters".
No. I'm not a conspiratard or SRD person. You don't enforce the rules in a consistent manner. You let people whose only intention it is to disrupt slide by after multiple violations and then ban your own users when they push back against them.
That and the fact you act like a condescending jerk and don't do your due diligence doesn't help.
Selectively choosing what evidence to believe, and what to throw by the wayside does not make you smart or right, it just makes you blind.
There is such a thing as a valid conspiracy, but most posted here (and reference in your comment) are unfounded, and rather then actually trying to prove such theories, /r/conspiracy ignores the evidence that doesnt match their side of the argument and treats these theories as fact.
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12 _dea 2015-01-26
This screenshot is in the SRD thread:
http://i.imgur.com/ERyQVhR.jpg
If this is real, well, you know.......
7 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
Admins don't ban for that tho...
6 _dea 2015-01-26
Okay, but it shows, errr, like, ehm, character, I guess.......
BTW: Has it been confirmed he was banned because of vote manipulation?
Edit: Wow, downvotes, I guess some are hurt or did not notice my tongue firmly in cheek, whatever......
4 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
Not yet, but I would be very very surprised if that wasn't the case
1 _dea 2015-01-26
How uncool of /u/flytape ..........
Well, all things end, good or bad.
1 120z8t 2015-01-26
He has been shadow banned before right? Maybe this is a last straw scenario.
5 alllie 2015-01-26
I don't think you get a sitewide ban just for insults. It's got to be something more and worse.
2 Spooky_Ghost_AMA 2015-01-26
Flytape hasn't just done this with one person. Many people have been reported being harassed around reddit by Flytape because they debated with him.
2 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
Cool story bro. Witch-hunt much?
2 Fuckyousantorum 2015-01-26
If this is real then flytape is an insecure fool.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2015-01-26
That's an old comment and very old news.
I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed by the reaction to this.
You guys don't see it, but the /r/conspiracy mods do...Flytape is one of the most dedicated and passionate mods of this sub. We don't always see eye to eye, but I have to say, I will defend him to the end. He's the real deal.
Unless more evidence is forthcoming, I'm extremely suspicious of his ban. He's one of the most reddit-savvy folks around.
Dare I suggest that there's a "conspiracy" surrounding his ban...
6 Sabremesh 2015-01-26
Although I don't always agree with flytape, he seems absolutely genuine, a very good defender of this sub from shi/tro-lls and drive-by cretins who come here to disrupt. I hope he is reinstated.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
He has been reinstated. The drama-tard types opened up a can of worms though, ban evasion is now a definite shadow-bannable offense. Whoops, huh guys?
2 _dea 2015-01-26
Oh come on, what are we supposed to say without breaking the rules?
Undoubtedly /u/Flytape was a hindrance to lots of original /r/conspiracy users, I saw some bannings that were totally unjust and I read more recent comments by /u/Flytape that were totally unacceptable which he deleted when someone pointed them out. Personally I had nothing against him, but I can see what he stirred up and am not surprised by the reactions at all.
It's not just the now happy tards and SRD regulars, who I suspect would secretly love to be here more :-)
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Really now? Name one.
BS, I don't delete my comments, ever, even when down voted into oblivion or linked to by drama subs. You're outright lying about that, what's your game?
Find one single example of a comment I deleted ever, it shouldn't be hard since pretty much everything I submit is immediately archived by SRD or duckvimes.
1 _dea 2015-01-26
Ah reading my comments from weeks ago now?
Happy hunting.
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Answer it.
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Why make bold claims if you can't back them up?
You said you've seen these bans. And you've seen me delete comments. Back it up!
1 godleygeo 2015-01-26
You never delete your comments?
http://www.np.reddit.com/r/WhiteRights/comments/2ll4zq/conspiracy_at_rconspiracy_banned_for_exposing/
compare with
https://archive.today/MNjoh
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Lol, yes I did delete those comments. A rarity, but you caught me.
Congratulations.
Is this the ban you speak of that was unjust as well?
2 godleygeo 2015-01-26
No, that was when I mentioned the obvious "swarmfront" gaming of this sub, and you banned me.
Then you told me, "If you want to go fuck yourself now I'm sure SRS would let you borrow a variety of dildos" after I asked why I was banned, even though I never have taken a pro SRS or SJW stance. I'm just for the white supremacy bullshit to stay in its own subs, without spilling into discussions of conspiracies.
2 Flytape 2015-01-26
What you actually did was attack the OP because of his unpopular beliefs, which you failed to mention or quote when you sort of explained to AP why I banned you in SRD.
That's okay, I'm fine with you being unbanned as long as you follow the rules going forward. People have done far worse than you and have been given a 2nd chance.
Now as far as the white rights people being barred from participating in conspiracy, that isn't going to happen. They have just as much right as you have to comment wherever they want. You don't get to make choices like that.
As long as they follow our rules, as long as anyone follows our rules, they can participate here. End of story.
1 godleygeo 2015-01-26
I didn't "attack op" I just pointed out that he obviously was part of the swarmfront brigade. I'm sure he didnt lose any sleep over it. And my ban actually came well after that comment when I pointed out that you were replying pretty snidely to people. You went through my posting history, found something you thought would violate the rules, and then banned me for it to protect your own ego.
At least the other mods saw through that and unbanned me.
1 _dea 2015-01-26
Lol, yes.
FWIW: I'm not /u/godleygeo, but I support his wish for keeping the white supremacy garbage out of /r/conspiracy.
0 Kaysic 2015-01-26
Westboro Baptists are "dedicated and passionate." ISIS insurgents are "dedicated and passionate."
Dedication and passion do not a good mod make, in and of themselves. Those two traits enhance a person who has good skills in moderation - namely, conflict resolution (Flytape would start conflicts), mediation (Flytape would consistently take sides in disputes), and - most importantly - even application of the sub's rules in a fair manner.
Sweet heebus, was Flytape bad on that last one. Mass bans for anyone who dared show dissent (see: XKCD Kerfuffle), comment nukes, and generally childish attitude when it came down to people contesting bans.
He was not, by any stretch of the imagination, a good mod. He was a fanatical mod, which might be mistaken for quality if you squint at it funny, but in the end his behavior was detrimental. Now, as a user? Sure, those traits made him a great user and a major contributor. However, as is true in a lot of hierarchies - be they military, political, or communal - sometimes the best members of the community are not necessarily the best suited to lead it.
2 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Sorry not buy your bullshit for a moment. Fanatical mods get the job done, there should be more of them, so we can clean this sub out and remove people who do not contribute to the issues at hand.
0 Kaysic 2015-01-26
And so do military generals with twitchy fingers on the "nuke everything" button, but just because the job's done doesn't mean it's done well, or even in a manner that facilitates a good conclusion to the problem at hand.
"Clean the sub out" of who? By Flytape's track record, I can only assume you're referring to anyone who doesn't go with the hivemind? Because that's who Flytape banned - people asking for statistics, people asking for sources (besides Russian state-sponsored media and Neocities text pages), people disagreeing with the day's latest assertion of evildoing.
I suppose I should expound on what I said earlier - dedication and passion for a subject are enhancing traits, not good or bad of their own accord. You can be passionate, but being a passionate KKK advocate isn't necessarily a good thing. You can be dedicated, but being dedicated to genocide advocacy isn't a good thing, either. Conversely, you can be the reincarnation of Jesus himself, but lacking conviction to your cause you're no better than a random dude on the street who "thought about working in a soup kitchen once."
So yes, a good users - or moderator - must be dedicated and passionate. Why else would anyone want the fucking job? I've done it, it sucks (hell, it's what led to me getting doxxed). But those traits alone do not a quality moderator make; they merely enable the traits that do make a good moderator better. Skills such as impartiality, administration, and - most importantly - goddamn professionalism.
Moderators who - with regularity - call those they ban "faggots" pretty much fail that third element.
-3 [deleted] 2015-01-26
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10 axolotl_peyotl 2015-01-26
Gooble gobble...so you're "one of us", are you???
checks submission history.
Ohh.......nevermind.
Nice try.
-6 [deleted] 2015-01-26
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6 axolotl_peyotl 2015-01-26
Um, ok.
I became a /r/conspiracy mod in December of 2014. However, I've been posting conspiracy-related material to reddit since early 2007.
Can you say the same?
Why don't you actually talk the time to peruse my submission history to /r/conspiracy?
With the exception of one retarded Benjamin Fulford blog post that I submitted several years ago, which I since explained and debunked, I have zero submissions to this sub that have any relation whatsoever to Anti-Semitism.
The overwhelming majority of my submissions are vaccine and hidden technology-related posts.
Some of my dearest friends are Jewish.
If you were attempting a character assassination, you failed miserably.
1 cameronhook 2015-01-26
vaccines? seriously, surely there are better conspiracies to believe in than vaccines being bad
2 axolotl_peyotl 2015-01-26
Where did I say I believe all vaccines are bad?
-7 quicksilvereagle 2015-01-26
Absolutely I can. Back when it was actually about more than israel, jews, and the holocaust. These days you get shadowbanned by flycock if you suggest that the jews are not satans minions on earth. So excuse me if I find this a reason for jubilant celebration and lets toast to the dream that the ignorant trailer trash never comes back.
And Im sorry "my friends are jewish" is fucking hilarious. If you are going to say that you are not the one pushing holocaust revisionist films and bullshit, then ok, if thats your story now.... Lets hope you keep it that way.
If you were really doing your job you would clean this place up, but whatever.
4 culverit 2015-01-26
/u/quicksilvereagle - redditor for 1 month
9 Canadian_POG 2015-01-26
In Flytape's absence, I expect to see a lot of accounts like his in our future.
Hold on to your butts.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
He's a ban evader.
Someone report him to admins!
-3 quicksilvereagle 2015-01-26
If you think that means anything, especially with flycock banning everyone who isnt racist, then you are pretty stupid.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
Way to cop to ban-evasion. Enjoy your shadowban!
1 quicksilvereagle 2015-01-26
hahahahahaha! MY SIDES!!!!!
1 _dea 2015-01-26
Seconded.
0 Kuleaid 2015-01-26
That is why you don't reddit drunk...
Or maybe that is why you do reddit drunk.
-1 LordPubes 2015-01-26
Except for the JR Terrier bit, everything was spot on. What rules did he break?
-2 Big_Girl_Luver 2015-01-26
retracted.
-6 redditeditard 2015-01-26
https://imgflip.com/i/guzwx
12 animwrangler 2015-01-26
I wasn't particularly fond of him, especially his moderating style. He seemed super quick with the ban hammer. I guess you have to be in this sub, but it really tends to rub people the wrong way when you harass them and ban them before they get a chance to respond.
IMO this sub is better without him.
10 CHOCOBAM 2015-01-26
Agreed.
Disagreeing with other users, and calling them out on their BS using logic and science: banned.
His reasoning: You should let people say what they want without being attacked.
While I can see his point of wanting to create a safe place for fringe topics, stifling legit opposing views and comments by rampantly banning people is absurd, and overwhelmingly damaging to this sub.
While I believe the guy had good intentions in the beggining, and can kind of feel for the guy. He is too quick to ban people, and seems a bit too.. well, paranoid, at the moment (probably from the stress of moderating a crazy place like this). It is probably a good idea for him to take a break from moderating for a while.
5 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Its the way you go about it that makes the difference. attacking a person's character vs attacking the view point. If i was an mod I would be banning any and all attacks on peoples character. It doesn't bring healthy discussions and just ends up sidetracking the issue. An important point that people tend to forget is its that people deliberately use character attacks to distract from the real issues. Those are the kinds of people that dont need to have a voice. You want to talk about something talk about the issues.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-01-26
Report any comments like this that you see - I ban them when I see them.
1 CHOCOBAM 2015-01-26
Except that he has been shown to ban people for simply disagreeing with other members, time and time again. Not personal attacks, just differing opinions.
His removal as mod is long overdue.
1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Show me your evidence.
Fly-tape either bands because you are trying to derail conversations or are deliberately attacking someones character as far as I can tell.
2 dpfagent 2015-01-26
How do you know his "ban hammer" habits?
3 CHOCOBAM 2015-01-26
Because I have spent moee time in this sub than I care to admit.
9 _dea 2015-01-26
Amen.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
Careful /u/_dea, ban evasion is a shadowbannable offense!
0 Strich-9 2015-01-26
wait, but isnt flytape unbanned? so it isn't?
4 singlebro 2015-01-26
Rofl, you know damned well he'll be back as mod with new accounts in basically no time. Mark my word.
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Why would I need new accounts when I have this polished old comfy one?
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
No difference. I am still right.
It's easy to tell where power doesn't belong when the power is literally unchangable by the people whom that power is granted over. You are on record saying "I will never step down no matter what" more or less.
This thread alone shows that a majority dislikes you having power over them.
That alone was enough info for me to know that you'd be back.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
Oh lordy...
Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Its funny how you people live by this "majority" that you knowingly manufacture by means of all your metasubs and drama subs.
Keep leaning on your phony majority, the people here are smart enough to know what you're doing.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
How convenience that you can just disregard that every single thread about you contains a majority of people who don't want you having mod power. Yet this 'magical secret smart people' are smart enough to know something else.
No.. we both know what it actually means when you said "I will not step down... no matter what"
It means you have no interest in anything except having the power.
1 Flytape 2015-01-26
Every user that reads this can click through a couple pages of your comment history and see exactly what your participation adds to this sub.
Let me tell you, its all pretty low brow.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
They sure can, since I don't believe in most of the inane theories posted here, and I attempt to call out the ones who are mostly here just for "ze jews did it!"
It doesn't mean that I don't belong here on other ideas.
But... nice attempt at deflection. You attempt to do that in literally every single thread about you as well, almost always pretending like "your account is only blahblah old kek" or some such thing like you just tried with me is actually meaningful in some way. Sure seems like something "The smart people" would just laugh at.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
Brainwashed much?
2 Flytape 2015-01-26
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2sh113/negotiating_with_obama_is_like_playing_chess_with/cntkvu1?context=3
Exhibit A
Your commentary here is primarily focused on "calling people out" as you put it. Which translates in reality to being a dick. This subreddit isn't about agreeing with everything you read or the people posting it. Its about having the freedom to have a discussion about ANY topic without being bullied by SJWs who use terms like "I'm calling them out for their bad ideas".
So its no wonder that you don't like me, this is exactly the kind of behavior that I moderate!
In this instance, since the subject was about me being shadow banned and the subject was real and not manufactured by the drama club, I'm not moderating any of it. So enjoy your free pass to say nasty things about me here, but outside of this post you'll be expected to follow all the rules.
5 singlebro 2015-01-26
Yeah, I just said I call people out when I can see poor ideas and poor logic. I have my few pet conspiracy ideas, and I refute the completely bonkers ones.
This sub allows me to do that right? I get the same right to state my opinion as everyone else right?
I always follow the rules here, that's why I've never been banned on any of my accounts that I've used over the past 5 or 6 years.
What's funny, is that you are implying that you'd have banned me for what I've posted... yet I've not posted any nasty things about you. Everything I've posted is factual. I've broken ZERO rules in this thread. I have not insulted you personally, I have not insulted anyone personally, I've used no slurs, I haven't even accused you of rulebreaking.
The only one you could get me on is "Attacking a mod"... a reaaaaaal stretch!
Which seems to me, that's exactly why people don't want you as a mod. You think that anything I've said here is ban worthy? Yet you are pretty much implying you would have banned me and this is a 'free pass'.
Your ideas on attacking a mod seem to be censorship of being critical toward you.
I think most people should have noticed also, that you've deflected back to post history once again as basically your only point. I mean... me personally... i would feel a bit... weak, if that was the only thing I used in almost all instances such as this.
I have been extremely courteous to you here, I've not called you any names or done anything that was not respectfully dissentful.
Yet, I am told I would be banned, and I am basically called a shill.
It's kinda like my case is just falling into place.
1 _dea 2015-01-26
Great example.
-1 Flytape 2015-01-26
Okay?
What I said is that (long story short) the only people bitching about me are the ones who want free reign to socially punish people for having ideas that are "bad".
You can't talk about sandy hook cause of the children!
You can't talk about the Holocaust because of the Jews!
You can't talk about Iraq because of the war heroes!
Blah blah blah! We are assembled here precisely to talk about these things. So when those type people show up to derail the conversation with shame and ridicule, we remove them. Our rules are set up to disallow that behavior.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
Ok.
Well maybe you'll understand this more clearly then.
This is untrue, and you know it frankly... can't be true.
Use me for an example. I have zero... absolutely zero interest in wanting to punish anyone for having ideas of any sort. I think posting them and being utterly unwilling to hear criticism of said idea is retarded sure (as evidenced by my constant laughter at how calling someone a 'shill' imo means said person is a total idiot who can't back up his claims properly). But posting ideas is absolutely fine, within reason obviously. I mean... I hardly think the community wants the front page filled with titles like "The godamn dirt jewbags did nuther crimes in the world"
I've broken zero rules, I've done none of the things you've mentioned in this post about "can't talk about this and that cause of this and that"
So... how does that fit into your idea here, where you clearly implied that a 'free pass' was all that was keeping me from being banned?
If you can understand why your... what amounts to a threat honestly.. doesn't follow your own standard of rules, then you should understand why not everyone who thinks you shouldn't have the power, and can't be throw aside with using your "no true scotsman" argument that "oh those people don't matter cause they aren't in the real group that matters".
1 Flytape 2015-01-26
They don't matter.
Welcome to subredditdrama brigades. They literally don't matter.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
So that's that?
No stance on the actual points made... just sticking with the no true scotsman argument.
Well... fair enough.
I'm on record quite a few times in this sub in telling people to chill out when dealing with the mods here, because I know that there is no change in the future.
No matter what happens, (yes I mean literally no matter what), there will be no change here. Which in itself says something pretty clearly.
I should have taken my own advice and played the game instead of around the game.
The only sad part is that even if you are 100% right, even if 99.9% of all the people who say you shouldn't be mod are trolls and come from /r/conspiritard, The mere fact that your power is untouchable by those you have power over is enough to know that the power shouldn't reside there. I can say that honestly because as we already know you've said "I will not step down as moderator no matter what"
1 Flytape 2015-01-26
Two things, I have no real power on reddit.
And I have a lot of community support. When these threads aren't linked to metareddit, the votes look drastically different. We've seen it time and time again.
3 singlebro 2015-01-26
And as I've said, even if you could somehow prove you were 100% right without using no true scotsman. The main point I made from the very start still stands well above.
-1 Flytape 2015-01-26
Proof
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/2bkina/brosmatter_itself_is_a_conspiracy_it_hides_and/
Here you are showing your true colors 6 months ago. And its reflected in your comments within conspiracy. And I absolutely understand where you formed your opinion about me.
Thanks for playing.
3 singlebro 2015-01-26
You think me making fun of completely unrealistic things is proof of something.
Yeah you sure got me. Lol...
I've already admitted I make fun of total lunatics, and respect my few conspiracies. What is your point?
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Their in lies the problem, If you make fun people that have different ideas that you, you dont belong in r/conspiracy.
This is a place where Ideas can be freely discussed without ridicule. Thats the way we want it, that they way its always been, and that's they way it will continue to be. Let me know when you are done crying about being what appears to be a sort of cognitive dissonance - on the one had you want your views to be heard. But when someone else wants to weigh on on something you dont want to hear it. You shut down by shutting other people down.
2 singlebro 2015-01-26
No, I make fun of people who give creedence to theories that are so insane that they border on something a 4 year old would truly believe if you told it to them.
There is a very big difference between that, and making fun of people with different ideas.
I do not believe 9/11 was totally an inside job, but I do not make fun of those who believe so. It is a valid idea.
You should be able to see the difference otherwise I'm not going to bother. Being so open minded that you will accept complete nonsense is equally as stupid as being so closed minded that you believe nothing.
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Whats wrong with a 4 year old belief?
There is no such thing as nonsense, thats only a label you have applied to blind your self from ideas that run counter to your world view.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
I'm not going to argue with someone who is more or less defending the idea that Santa Claus might actually exist.
This is exactly the type of open mindedness that I was talking about. There's an obvious limit. Intense closed mindedness is stupidity, no different than intense open mindedness is stupidity.
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
We dont actually know if he exists or not. We have lots of content that tells us he doesn't exist, But in a little kids world he might exist. It doesn't really matter weather its true or not. Being in a dualistic world where the truth is hidden behind what appears to be a false reality one cant really know for sure if anything really exists or not.
There are no limits. The only limits are ones created within ourselves in an attempt to overcome the fear of the unknown which is really all about the fear of death. a psychological attempt at making us feel comfortable in a world of absolute mystery. Thats about as far as we have gotten.
Im sorry that scares you but its the truth.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
Proving my point for me here man.
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Which would only matter if your point had any real purpose. which it doesn't. You dont really know what you are doing, do you?
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
This is one reason my post history looks the way it does. Talking to people like you who think you are somehow ahead of the curve...while all you do is talk incoherently and then equate the fact that most people ignore you, as somehow being too smart or enlightened.
You make no sense worth listening to. That's the truth. Sorry. As I've already said. I'm not going to argue with you about Santa Claus.
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Its not really about being ahead of the curve, its about changing your awareness to one that supports you and the world that you live in -vs- acting from non-awareness diversionary mind set.
Im speaking to the true part of you that knows what I am talking about without ego and on some level you know it, thats all that counts.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
Point proven so hard I could cut diamond with it.
1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Its easy to fall back on lines of thought that do nothing. I was hoping you were going to have something better than that, but I guess you dont have enough personal power to make that possible. Good luck.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
It's like you are trying to make me laugh at your ego at this point.
-3 Flytape 2015-01-26
Yes its proof that you don't have an open mind. If something strikes you as crazy then you automatically want to mock and marginalize the people talking about it.
Not cool "bro".
2 singlebro 2015-01-26
Hah... Yeah you have to be so open minded that retarded things need to be considered in order to be taken seriously? Do you not realize how dumb that is though?
Are you truly telling me that I can make a thread about Santa being real and you'll take me seriously? Good grief man
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Taking someone seriously is all about intent. If you intend not to be taken seriously then you wont. Its not about content, its about intent.
2 singlebro 2015-01-26
That doesn't even make sense.
Unless you are dishonest, the content is what matters in taking someone seriously.
-2 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Intent is all you need to make sense of anything, Content tends to distract from the real truth behind the message. Its like having a lot to say but with the intent of misleading, or not knowing how to say something with the intent of being understood.
Intent is king, because the intent behind message is whats important, not the message itself. You can spend all kinds of energy focusing on content and become mislead, or you can look at the intent behind what is said and derive meaning from that. I choose to focus on intent because it always leads me to the real truth.
3 singlebro 2015-01-26
walks away slowly
-1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
LOL, Its ok you will discover this truth someday on your own :D.
3 singlebro 2015-01-26
Highly unlikely mate. Very...very unlikely.
2 Poiluv 2015-01-26
Just do what everyone else does: Drugs!
/s
1 _dea 2015-01-26
Because remember it is behaviour, not content that /u/Flytape moderates.
(Warning: sarcastic content)
-1 fuzeebear 2015-01-26
Isn't it you that doesn't have an open mind, evidenced by your refusal to accept humor? Did the Jews make you this way?
1 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-01-26
No. I'm not a conspiratard or SRD person. You don't enforce the rules in a consistent manner. You let people whose only intention it is to disrupt slide by after multiple violations and then ban your own users when they push back against them.
That and the fact you act like a condescending jerk and don't do your due diligence doesn't help.
1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Who the fuck cares? I dont care if he is consistently not enforcing the rules, the guy is doing a great job of removing people that attack people who dont conform to popular opinions. Get over it.
1 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-01-26
No he isn't. We see the same people coming here breaking the rules day after day and nothing is done. Do you deny that this happens?
1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
LOL. Motion to dismiss, double negative.
0 Burn-Account 2015-01-26
Selectively choosing what evidence to believe, and what to throw by the wayside does not make you smart or right, it just makes you blind.
There is such a thing as a valid conspiracy, but most posted here (and reference in your comment) are unfounded, and rather then actually trying to prove such theories, /r/conspiracy ignores the evidence that doesnt match their side of the argument and treats these theories as fact.
0 _dea 2015-01-26
Misguided.
Yeah, that's the word.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
sounds like something the ministry of defense would say
Those people who vocally don't agree with bombing a bunch of brown people? Misguided and not patriots! Terrorist sympathizers!
4 [deleted] 2015-01-26
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0 _dea 2015-01-26
There, you said it. Excellent.
0 ImASharkImAShark 2015-01-26
Good post, but...
Maybe this will change your mind: "September 11 - The New Pearl Harbour" - Perhaps the best documentary on 9/11 so far and goes into great analysis and details from both sides of the arguments.
Most "Holocaust revisionists" don't deny the Holocaust, but think that history regarding the Holocaust was exagerated and has some half-truths in it and whatnot.
There are definitly oligarchs that run the US and else-where, but I would never bet money on them being reptilians. Symbology is often used by the top oligarchs and certain secret societies that certain oligarchs associate with.
1 redditeditard 2015-01-26
Agreed. Good riddance. And let's let this die. We're getting flooded with SRD and 'tards. Shoooooo, with the Fly!
2 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Its not gonna happen. Im sure he will be back, he was a good mod. The only people that don't like him are people that try to derail conversations from my observations.
2 redditeditard 2015-01-26
There are plenty here who disagree, w both assertions you made.
2 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Im not interested in mob rule, im only interested in making /r/conspiracy a place to have real discussions.
2 redditeditard 2015-01-26
Which I would say that the removal of flytape as a mod, we can have better discussions, especially without drawing attention from the two previously mentioned subs. The guy was emotional, power hungry and even antagonistic, at times. None of which are good qualities fir a mod.
But can we agree to disagree? I hate these deeply threaded standoffs.
1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
Sure.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-01-26
He was only this way with people looking to troll the sub, such as folks like this and people like bipolarbear.
Overall he was a great mod, who knew the meta well and defended free flowing information in a quite erudite manner.
This sub is left for the worse in the absence of his knowledge base of reddit trolls; and he will hopefully be able to return at the conclusion of this situation.
4 KingToasty 2015-01-26
Flytape stalked people to different subs and harassed them. Dude was loony toons.
3 know_comment 2015-01-26
I'm surprised he slipped up. Those same guys that are out to get you demodded have been trying to get him banned for years.
I hope you don't make the same mistake (if he even did anything).
9 mr_dong 2015-01-26
No idea. Just logged on now and seen the account status, looks like a clear shadowban. Nothing has been relayed to the mods.
2 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
I'm gonna go ahead and guess for vote manipulation following that /r/SRD thread earlier today
4 mr_dong 2015-01-26
I haven't seen it. I was on this morning and his account was still active so no idea what's gone on over at SRD. Post any relevant links if you have them
8 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
http://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2tq2lr/thread_about_crisis_actors_in_rconspiracy_leads/co1dsxl
He got into it with some people, obviously the comments are gone though.
3 mr_dong 2015-01-26
Thank you. Thought he would have known better. We will have to remove him from the moderators.
5 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
Gl with that, I wasn't fond of the guy to put it lightly
4 mr_dong 2015-01-26
No luck necessary, if he's broken the rules we will remove the account from the mod list.
3 pigly_two 2015-01-26
Account removed from mod list..so he did break the rules then?
2 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
Almost certainly
2 mr_dong 2015-01-26
He must have, as /u/TehAlpacalypse has said it looks like vote manipulation over on SRD.
The link has been posted in this thread for you to have a look.
2 SilverTaint 2015-01-26
I'd be careful to jump to conclusions though. I'm pretty sure recently they've been interpreting following the meta bot to where you were linked as brigading or whatever. Which I think is silly tbh.
3 axolotl_peyotl 2015-01-26
You're absolutely right. I disagree with the rash judgments and decisions that have been made.
2 JustHereForTheMemes 2015-01-26
I doubt it, we have users back brigading all the time. If that rule was put in place half the moderators on reddit would be shadowbanned. I'd bet a months shill salary it was vote manipulation if he has multiple active accounts.
1 SilverTaint 2015-01-26
Check the citizen prime thread in the drama subreddit. A few users talk about how they've been banned for it. Citizen prime is the user by the way. Titles something about unwritten rules.
0 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
Rushing to judgement, no?
Better to wait until he has his day, don''t you think?
2 mr_dong 2015-01-26
If Flytape straightens this out with the admins there is no reason he cannot moderate again but as it stands now his account is gone.
Something similar happened with another one of our moderators some months ago, there was a mistake, he got his account back and he was reinstated to the mod team.
0 Poiluv 2015-01-26
He's had a bad history of following drama and shooting off his mouth. Guess the admins have had enough.
-4 axolotl_peyotl 2015-01-26
No he doesn't, and no they don't. Your comment is very suspect, especially considering your questionable history in this sub.
1 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
Report that user for ban-evasion. It's pretty obvious.
4 Balthanos 2015-01-26
That thread is really cringy.
4 JamesColesPardon 2015-01-26
I would like to do a little horn tooting and say that I CALLED THIS SHIT AS IT WAS HAPPENING (sorry for yelling):
Comment
Here's a link to a comment OP made admitting it was bullshit and an attempt to discredit the sub:
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Screenshot for prosperity
Maybe Flytape shouldn't have acted the way he did, but he got caught up in the drama that was specifically manufactured to discredit and rile up the sub. Does he pay an ultimate price? That's up to the community. But let's not let SRD influence the politic of this sub if possible, please.
6 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
Heh!
/u/deadbossthrowaway sounds a LOT like "I did a drunken experiment" /u/BipolarBear0 - who ADMITTED to trolling this sub with anti-Semitic posts (and no doubt brigading them for upvotes from his minions) for the specific purpose of attacking/destroying this sub.
Is /u/deadbossthrowaway an alt account of /u/bipolarBear0? or just one of his shitty lick-spittles?
HEY ADMINS!!!
Maybe you'd better track down the users that UPVOTE the shit posts that are meant to SHUT THIS SUB UP.
No?
Or would that be contrary to the Conde Nast agenda?
5 dpfagent 2015-01-26
their obsession with subreddits designed to mock and discredit others as well geopolitics and news (or other "serious" subreddits) combined with their dedication (almost like a full time job) is suspicious to say the LEAST
1 PostNationalism 2015-01-26
i got banned from all bipolarbear0's subs
3 JamesColesPardon 2015-01-26
I dunno if you can throw CN into this.. Plenty of bored dudes who love to troll.
I (a regular user) typically ignore most meme/top posts because they are obviously gamed/bought and paid for/used as distractions.
This is something that we as a community cannot combat (or at least I cannot figure out a solution).
However, it looks like these types of shitposts can apparently be weaponized, and Flytape (regardless of your opinion of his mod style/policies) may have been a casualty.
0 Yodaddysbelt 2015-01-26
Reddit hasn't been owned by Conde Nast in 4 years and now functions more independently. Check up on your facts to see if they are outdated before spouting "agenda" bullshit. Goddamn
2 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
LOL!
You're right. Reddit is NOT owned by Conde Nast.
Reddit is owned by Advance Publications - which ALSO owns Conde Nast.
Advance Publications is owned by Donald Newhouse and S.I. Newhouse, Jr.
So the same two brothers that own Conde Nast own Reddit.
In other words, the cow doesn't own the pig, rather, both the cow and the pig are owned by the same "farmers".
Now, did you have a point?
0 Yodaddysbelt 2015-01-26
Yeah, its not a "Conde Nast Agenda" nor any parent agenda as Reddit operates mostly independently. Also I dont think "HEY ADMINS" works like a bat signal to call them, you might have better luck messaging them if a rule was actually broken. And drop the "SHUT THIS SUB UP" schtick, you sound like a typical tin-foil hatter which is why this sub is a laughing stock on reddit.
THE JEWS CONTROL REDDIT AND CHEMTRAILS!
2 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
LOL!
It seems pretty clear that many of the members of Flytape's "fan club" have SOMETHING in common.
Here's an archive of the SRD "celebration thread" about the demise of Flytape.
https://archive.today/3SBZc
Just for fun, press cntrl+F and type in the word "jew". See how many hits you get in the text.
0 Yodaddysbelt 2015-01-26
A lot cause /r/conspiracy is hilarious
2 shadowofashadow 2015-01-26
I knew that topic was rigged. I was wondering all day why it kept getting upvotes when your comment was getting more upvotes than anything.
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-01-26
I know. Sometimes a comment like that can stop a post in it's tracks, but that one just kept going.
Seems obvious that there was a conspiratard brigade of some kind.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-01-26
Seems a little fishy to be honest, and very abrupt. Hopefully flytape offers an explanation at some point.
1 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
We will probably see an admin message before too long
1 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
Maybe you should help them write the "message"?
Just to be sure, you know...
-1 urban__sombrero 2015-01-26
His moderation skills will be missed.
2 [deleted] 2015-01-26
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2 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
I never had much interaction with /u/flytape, but I certainly had no complaints against him.
He did stand up for me one time long ago: The notorious /u/BipolarBear0 had banned me from every sub he mods for what he called "racism" (he pretended not to understand the idiom "The squeaky wheel gets the grease")... I had never heard of /u/BipolarBear0, and had posted in maybe 1 or 2 of the subs he mods... and the post was NOT in one of those subs.
Anyway, I made a self-post on /r/conspiracy bitching about /u/BipolarBear0's heavy-handed and unjustified actions, and the thread went viral - at one point, another mod "disappeared" the thread, and /u/flytape stepped in to put it back up (THANKS, /u/flytape!).
The issue of the asshat /u/BipolarBear0 blew up - even attracting attention from news media outside Reddit. Opened up a big can of worms regarding censorship on Reddit. LOL!
Anyway, the asshat /u/BipolarBear0 is a DARLING of subs that HATE /r/conspiracy, such as SRD and Tard Island, and while I'm not very familiar with /u/flytape's activities aside from the occasional times I have seen him in this sub, I know that he is HATED by the TardyBoys, the Klown Krew at SRD, and a couple of other subs that I decline to mention due to nausea, but that have their stated goal as DESTROYING /r/conspiracy.
V for Vendetta
Again, I don't know what caused /u/flytape's ban, or what he does in other subs, but I do know that he has long been incessantly HOUNDED by some of the most lying, vicious, vindictive, villainous scum that has ever slithered out of the darkest, dankest cracks in the floor of Reddit's sub-basement - so he must have been doing SOMETHING right.
Right?
Also, is it just my dementia, or are many of those "celebrating" /u/flytape's demise in this thread total strangers to this sub?
Mark, 15:14
Yeah, y'all go ahead.
Personally, I can find no fault with this man.
/And no, I'm NOT religious - it just seemed fitting
3 JamesColesPardon 2015-01-26
I agree with ya bud. He may have stepped over the line... But this whole thing stinks.
2 damndirtylies 2015-01-26
Well the last highly-upvoted and ridiculous attack against a mod was posted a couple of weeks ago, so it was about time for another.
3 dpfagent 2015-01-26
what's up with emr and bipolarbear? Are there more people like them who obviously have a hidden agenda contrary to free flow of information?
Those guys are shady as fuck and it's increasingly obviously that they are attempting to stiffle dissent and kill this subreddit
2 PostNationalism 2015-01-26
he did the same to me, and i have 2000 link karma in /r/restorethefourth ..
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
Fuck man,
Thank you, I'm not Jesus or anything close to it but thank you.
0 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
Welcome back, sir!
There's going to be a LOT of WEEPING and GNASHING of TEETH in /r/SubredditDrama.
0 Flytape 2015-01-26
The funny thing is how much money they spent guilding each other's comments when my ban was easily reversed.
You're welcome reddit, enjoy the money.
1 trinsic-paridiom 2015-01-26
are you back to your mod position yet?
1 Flytape 2015-01-26
Yes sir.
0 Amos_Quito 2015-01-26
LOL!
Reddit's Customer Service counter must have a huge line of people demanding refunds!
The Popcorn bubble has popped. Time to invest in Kleenexes.
2 quicksilvereagle 2015-01-26
Pops the champagne!!!
1 TehAlpacalypse 2015-01-26
Seems to be that way
0 JamesColesPardon 2015-01-26
Interesting. A mod opportunity just opened up I guess?
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
Unlikely
-1 a9sdd8nas90 2015-01-26
go for it!
0 FireFoxG 2015-01-26
http://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2trc7t/rconspiracy_mod_uflytape_has_been_shadowbanned/
https://np.reddit.com/r/longtail/comments/2trodn/610128120_rconspiracy_mod_uflytape_has_been/
edit, opps forgot NP
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0 DiscoLollipop 2015-01-26
I think this stinks just a bit... I'm fairly new here and I've talked with Flytape before and he seemed like a genuine guy. He was trying to standup and help out someone with severe mental issues that the conspiratards had been harassing, I think they were trying to push him to do something crazy so they could have some lolz.
We all get pissed off and say stupid shit. I'm a bit saddened by this.
But should a new mod spot open up I think /u/JamesColesPardon would probably make a very good mod! Or if Flytape returns they could both be mods :)
1 Flytape 2015-01-26
I 2nd this mod suggestion.
1 DiscoLollipop 2015-01-26
Welcome back! :)
-1 quicksilvereagle 2015-01-26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
-2 yyhhggt 2015-01-26
Reddit is censorship.
9 Canadian_POG 2015-01-26
In Flytape's absence, I expect to see a lot of accounts like his in our future.
Hold on to your butts.
-3 quicksilvereagle 2015-01-26
If you think that means anything, especially with flycock banning everyone who isnt racist, then you are pretty stupid.
3 CHOCOBAM 2015-01-26
Because I have spent moee time in this sub than I care to admit.
1 singlebro 2015-01-26
Ok.
Well maybe you'll understand this more clearly then.
This is untrue, and you know it frankly... can't be true.
Use me for an example. I have zero... absolutely zero interest in wanting to punish anyone for having ideas of any sort. I think posting them and being utterly unwilling to hear criticism of said idea is retarded sure (as evidenced by my constant laughter at how calling someone a 'shill' imo means said person is a total idiot who can't back up his claims properly). But posting ideas is absolutely fine, within reason obviously. I mean... I hardly think the community wants the front page filled with titles like "The godamn dirt jewbags did nuther crimes in the world"
I've broken zero rules, I've done none of the things you've mentioned in this post about "can't talk about this and that cause of this and that"
So... how does that fit into your idea here, where you clearly implied that a 'free pass' was all that was keeping me from being banned?
If you can understand why your... what amounts to a threat honestly.. doesn't follow your own standard of rules, then you should understand why not everyone who thinks you shouldn't have the power, and can't be throw aside with using your "no true scotsman" argument that "oh those people don't matter cause they aren't in the real group that matters".
1 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-01-26
No. I'm not a conspiratard or SRD person. You don't enforce the rules in a consistent manner. You let people whose only intention it is to disrupt slide by after multiple violations and then ban your own users when they push back against them.
That and the fact you act like a condescending jerk and don't do your due diligence doesn't help.
3 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-01-26
He's a ban evader.
Someone report him to admins!
0 Burn-Account 2015-01-26
Selectively choosing what evidence to believe, and what to throw by the wayside does not make you smart or right, it just makes you blind.
There is such a thing as a valid conspiracy, but most posted here (and reference in your comment) are unfounded, and rather then actually trying to prove such theories, /r/conspiracy ignores the evidence that doesnt match their side of the argument and treats these theories as fact.
0 Strich-9 2015-01-26
wait, but isnt flytape unbanned? so it isn't?