I think it's time we at /r/conspiracy got to vote on replacing some of the mods here with some fresh faces, and wit people who are active in this community.

9  2015-02-07 by [deleted]

I really believe that those who participate regularly here in this thread should have a greater say in the mods here in this sub.

Just as this sub is very dynamic, and the popularity of subjects changes frequently, mods here should also be dynamic, and reflect the current state of the sub. I've seen a few mods here get voted in as a mod, then completely stop posting content or comments to the channel their supposed to be modding.

For instance, I've gone through the comment and link history for the following mods here:

/u/illuminatedwax

/u/Sarah_Connor

/u/9000Sins (who literally hasn't posted here in a month, despite being active across many other subs)

They all are either not very active on Reddit at all, or their acetone in other subs much more then /r/conspiracy. If thru are going to be watching over this sub and the posts that are made here, I want them to eat, drink, and dream /r/conspiracy.

It is very clear that some of the mods here are no longer active in this sub, and could be replaced by others who ate much more active and familiar with the current dynamics here, leading to a much better experience for ghost who really contribute and view this sub as their number 1 destination for information like I do.

How can we update mods here to ensure that they are current, and contribute to this sub more so then any other sub? It doesn't really make sense for any mod here to post to /r/politics, or /r/worldnews 3 times more then they comment or post to /r/conspiracy

It shouldn't be like the Supreme Court, where you are a mod for life, leaving almost no accountability to these mods after they've been elected, it should be more democratic in narrow nature, where those who are participating here should be able to regularly choose the mods here.

What do you guys think?

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So does this post have anything to do with the other recent shitposts about claimed mod abuse that turned out to be total bullshit? Is this post just coincidentally following that? You guys trying a different angle to get your long-con mole to become a mod here because your other approach didn't work?

I like you.

Definitely taken note that you are joining the circle jerk when I specifically went out of my way to not include you in this list. Even though I don't agree with a lot of things you say, you at least participate in the sub. It has definitely made me think twice about you, and your agenda.

Check my post history, I'm a regular here that only wants the best for this sub. I really have no agenda against any of the mods here, but just call them as I see them.

Which post are you talking about?

Flytape and SovereignMan def need to go.

I don't have a problem with Flytape, personally, but see why some might feel that way considering his at times confrontational approach to moderating, typically in interaction with trolls. Not sure why you'd mention Sovereign, however. Would you care to elaborate on that further?

They are both here to control the thought process of this sub. Whether they realize it or not. They are both heavy handed with the censorship. They feel like it is their duty to decide what can be posted and what cannot based on "what the sub would be interested in". Meaning they get to decide what we are interested in. Their worldbview (both of them) is very limited. That is why they are allowed and encouraged to moderate here. That is why Flytape can get reinstated after a shadowban. Who ever gets unshadowbanned? I'll tell you who. Plants.

I am not suggesting either is being paid. As I said, I am sure they are not even aware of their actions. That is how these things work. They are chosen, and allowed to stay, because whatever it is that drives them, is well aligned with the agenda of TPTB.

Just look at SM's comment history. "Rule 10. Removed", "Rule 6. Removed" etc etc etc.

If it's something they don't personally care for, it's removed. If you argue, you are banned.

That way, this sub becomes a system of control. We are allowed to circlejerk about certain topics, but our boundaries are well defined.

Just last week, SM was removing all the Anti-Vax posts. Him and Flytape were both big vax supporters. Now that enough people have screamed about it, the other mods have taken a stronger Anti-Vax stand. Which now limits FT's and SM's ability to censor it.

No one is ever happy with the entire mod team, that's life. For a while 9000sins was one of the only active mods here and all he got was a shit load of whining assholes as a thank you.

This is a basically an unpaid babysitting job for these people and half the kids are either crazy or they wandered over from the neighbor's house just to stir up drama.

Be thankful that you have active mods who police themselves,shit can be and has been worse here.

For a while u/9000sins was one of the only active mods here and all he got was a shit load of whining assholes as a thank you.

Big time lurker here of 2 years. Do you know something that I dont?

In the 12 months that u/9000sins has been mod, u/axolotl_peyoti and u/assuredlyathrowaway have been highly visible moderators. During the same 12 months, some users who would go on to become mods, were participating more than 9000sins.

The only activity I have noticed from 9000sins is the username moving as i scroll down the page. I could be wrong since I am not here 24/7 but I am here enough to call out bullshit when I see it. I could provide links but I'm a too lazy a fuck to find them.

I don't want to rehash old drama, but a lot of bullshit went down and I think he just chose to keep a low profile afterwards.

This post urged me to view our mod page. The recent changes going back a month went unnoticed by myself. Guess I was not here for that. What's up with u/flytape going down the list?

SovereignMan was gone but now is back? Must of been gone for that one. It's cool to see him back, considering many nominated him the last mod vote we saw but did not get chosen. I think he/she declined.

Wideawakenwo, each time something like this has been proposed, a circus follows. Fuck that circus dawg. I don't even like clowns.

Lets do it. Kick them out or get 3 new mods to replace the ones who are inactive.

What's up with u/flytape going down the list?

Flytape evaded a ban in SRD with an alt and was mass reported until the admins shadowbanned his main account (which is interesting, because when I have reported ban evaders from this sub in the past (ky1e as an example) only their alt account was shadowbanned.

That said, while flytape was shadowbanned we removed him from the modlist, and when the admins lifted the ban (with a mandate that he no longer partcipate in srd) we readded him to the mod list.

The recent changes going back a month went unnoticed by myself. Guess I was not here for that.

We did indeed have a round of mod nominations, and the canidates were announced here after the voting concluded.

SovereignMan was gone but now is back? Must of been gone for that one. It's cool to see him back, considering many nominated him the last mod vote we saw but did not get chosen. I think he/she declined.

SovereignMan did indeed decline his nomination during the last addition of mods, but he was kind enough to take up a mod spot after taking some time to consider the matter.

Kick them out or get 3 new mods to replace the ones who are inactive

We recently did remove one inactive mod (/u/three_letter_agency, who is busy writing a book); but we are actually doing quite well in terms of mod activity at the moment. As I mentioned in another comment, the modqueue is always at zero, the spam filter is constantly cleared out, and we are able to reply to modmail messages with 5-10 minutes for the most part.

If we do another round of mod nominations it will likely be with the same qualifications as last time; one mod vouch required for a nomination to be considered and the thread will be put in contest mode to prevent certain meta subs from manipulating the voting.

We recently did remove one inactive mod (/u/three_letter_agency, who is busy writing a book); but we are actually doing quite well in terms of mod activity at the moment.

I thought they stepped down. Who cares, I'm not here to argue semantics. If yall did remove them, what were the criteria used?

Can it be used to remove the mods that op mentions?

Can it be used to remove the mods that op mentions?

Mods cannot remove any other mods that are above them on the mod list.

Quantumcipher was also removed due to illness. (S)he had my nomination in that mod vote. I made a post here about 2 months ago questioning the inactivity of both TLA and Quantum. My post was downvoted. Both accounts went without reddit activity for more than a month after daily use. I also messaged mods and got responses. I think we should consider 900 sins and what exactly that mod does or doesn't do here. The last thing I recall was 900 sins posting an old supposed "illuminati" video where a scantily clad woman was dancing provocatively on a stage in front of men in suits and 900 sins was asking folks to ID the men. That stood out to me as quite odd for an inactive mod.

It's he, and yeah.. I was removed as a mod after an extended period (few months) of inactivity, a result of prolonged illness which I am happy to say is mostly no longer an issue at this point.

I'm overall neutral on being a mod here. If the other mods were to need help, I'd be more than willing to lend a hand. If the users here were to nominate me again, I'd certainly oblige and try not to disappoint them.

While we're on the subject of improving this sub, I think we should seriously think about imposing a limit on the number of posts a single user can submit in a day. There are several users that make dozens of submissions per day.

If you exempt self-posts I think I might agree with this.

I think you would have to include self-posts, because a dedicated spammer will just post their shitty link in the body of a self-post.

I cannot support this measure.

Doesn't reddit already throttle submissions/comments?

Not really. Check the /new queue every now and then. There are one or two users who manage an absurd amount of posts in a short period. One of them has no comments in their entire history!

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Man I hate that.

hmmm i guess i must read faster or something, i find it slow as hell

Yea. Welcome to r/conspiracy buddy. Been here for 2 years and this has been an ongoing issue. If you're a regular here, as most mods are, then this is something you should be capable of overlooking. Sometimes, those submissions you are talking about, are a quality read. Vote.Comment. Reply.

There are several problems with your reply to OP.

  1. You do not answer their question.
  2. if you have time to figure out there are users that are submitting multiple posts per day, then you should have enough time to read some of their submissions.
  3. The number of posts reddit allows a user to make in a day should be better left to their discretion.
  4. You can present your evidence to the Conspiracy Mod Tribunal.

I agree

No one will get /u/illuminatedwax away from here. That mod is 4chan inner circle and DigitalCartel.

what is DigitalCartel?

It's an online community.

I dont like the notion of replacing. That infers that the number of mods would remain the same. I believe that there should be a greater number of mods, to increase the ration if representatives vs the represented.

With that said, i do like the idea of a rotationary seating. Maybe even callbit term limits. But, the mods here have the most experience, and this shouldnt be abandoned. Some even maintain the bots, as well, which is helpful. Also helpful is their technical skills as far as site design and the computet lsnguage of reddit. This cannot be abandoned by average "citizens" of this sub.

Also, i like the rules, here. I also like how they are enforced, although it does have a negative side of things that allow some users to abuse this.

I am a firm bekiever in moderator transparency, making each ban public with an explanation a priority. How do we insure this will happen eith fresh personslities coming in all the time?

These are serious questions, and there are more, thst we as a community need to address and consider. Knee jerk decisions are to be avoided, and with over a quarter million subscribers, it is importsnt that we keep to our ways in regards to the rules and the enforcement thereof.

These are just things to think about, imo...

Nuts.

We should vote for an advisory committee to appoint moderators and set policy, rather than for moderators directly. Moderators should act in their role as policemen, enforcing the policy of the board, which would protect them from some unjust criticism and we would have a way to investigate mods who violate the policy.

You're at least rocking 2 downvotes in 5 minutes on /r/conspiracy on a Friday night (EST), so you're on to something.

Edit: despite the Owl, I am not a mod here (some people think I am).

Anyone who is reading and voting on this post on a Friday night is on my top list of people who should be made mods.

Anyone who is reading and voting on this post on a Friday night is on my top list of people who should be made mods.

Oooh! Oooh! I'm reading and voting. Make me a mod. Make me a mod.

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Sure. He's a reasonable person.

I'd vouch for him :).

what exactly do mods do, just curious? a shame they tried to throw ap under the bus, he's one of the best here imo. certainly seems like this sub is under attack.

what exactly do mods do

For the most part we enforce the sidebar rules.

We also monitor comment sections for admin shadowbanned users (who'se comments are sent directly into the site wide spam filter) in order to approve those comments and alert the user to their shadowbanned status.

It is also the case that we monitor the spam filter of the subreddit to approve submissions/comments which contain certain domains that the admins have banned site wide. Infowars, for example, is on the list; which means that we have to manually approve every comment which links to that domain.

We also strive to protect the free flow of information on the sub by keeping an eye on various "meta subreddits" which continually invade and attack this sub. To that end, we keep out nefarious manipulators who attempt to get on the mod list, report and ban people like bipolarbear who spam the sub with racist trash, and make sure admins are notified when other subs/snoonet channels engage in "raids" on the userbase of this sub.

The ethos of organically curated content/free speech on this subreddit is a thorn in the side to certain groups on this site who would prefer a moratorium on discussions of certain topics. For example, at one point in this sub's history there was a user who infiltrated the modteam and attempted to ban all discussion of reddit censorship.

We are, in essence, one of the last large subreddits which truly upholds the principle of free flowing information that this site's true founder (Aaron Swartz) worked tirelessly to inculcate.

Keep in mind that the direction reddit has taken, as a result of people like Alexis Ohanian and Erik Martin, is diametrically opposed to the organic curation of content. That means this mod team is up against not only certain groups within the "reddit meta", but the admin team as well.

To that end, we are quite careful with who we add to the mod team (for our most recent round of mod nominations we required that a mod already on the team vouch for any potential nominations); and it is precisely because we are one of the the only 250,000+ subs that actually holds mod elections via a user voting process that we have to take certain precautions to prevent someone like EMR1028 or bipolarbear from getting an alt account on the mod list.

The top mod here, illuminatedwax, is not active; but he serves an important role in as much as if any mod were to "go rogue" (which did happen at one point in the subs history) he would be able to step in and revert any malicious changes.

That said, we have a very active mod team at the moment; I believe our response time to modmail inquiries is usually no longer than 5-10 minutes and we always keep the spam filter and modqueue entirely cleared out.

wow, I had no idea it was that extensive. this really is a haven for the free flow of information, critical thought that goes against the grain of mainstream cultural narratives, and I believe a very important place on the internet. thank you for all you and the team do here.

Thanks for the post bud. It's nice to have other see the work that goes into this.

And now that you mention it, illuminatedwax kinda sounds like that last super secret box in Primer. I love it.

And now I have to watch Primer again tonight.

Sorry, I was in an AA meeting. :/

Proud of you.

I wouldn't really want to do it if you were paying, the mods here get so much shit from other subs and entities wishing to hide the truth that it probably gets pretty tiring putting up with abuse and death threats from throwaway accounts and endless complaints from the users too. JMO.

Are you just hoping to be a head mod or something? I don't see why being utterly consumed with /r/conspiracy is a prerequisite to being a mod. I would find it rather suspicious if someone didn't appear to sleep or go to work. Seriously, what would you think if you realized their entire life was just this sub. Surely they have bills to pay, friends to hang out; a life to live outside of this forum. So, if they did this like it was their job, I would wonder. I prefer a more Laissez-Faire approach to the handling of this sub, anyways. I know I'm not really a poster or much of a commenter, but I see no reason to disband the already existing mods other than your feeling that they aren't about this life enough.

I'm not saying that posting to Reddit all day every day is a prerequisite, I'm saying that if someone, like the mods listed above, are regularly posting to other subs aside from /r/conspiracy, and neglecting the sub their a mod of entirely, what good is it doing for /r/conspiracy? How are they adding to this sub if they are more active in other subs beside this one?

They might still be doing stuff like approving your posts in the modqueue behind the scenes but don't need the drama in their lives.

I would hope that by posting in other subs they're encouraging others to think more critically. Honestly, I've never had an issue. You may have. I'm just skeptical of anyone that seeks to take control of or to put others in control of this sub. The last thing I want to see is this place turned into a conspiracy circle jerk.

I'd like to take this opportunity- like I do every time one of these threads gets posted- to remind everyone that I am the mod this subreddit needs, the Champion of the People. As you all know- I am credible, accessible, and a great supporter of the sub across all of Reddit. And I am willing to take on the responsibility.

So how long until the drones start flying?

I'd vouch for him :).

It's he, and yeah.. I was removed as a mod after an extended period (few months) of inactivity, a result of prolonged illness which I am happy to say is mostly no longer an issue at this point.

I'm overall neutral on being a mod here. If the other mods were to need help, I'd be more than willing to lend a hand. If the users here were to nominate me again, I'd certainly oblige and try not to disappoint them.