Illuminatedwax was here at Reddit very early on and actually created most of those subs where he is top mod, including this one. For the most part he's not active unless there's a major problem with the rest of the mods. And by "major" I don't mean the very few people coming here from anti-/r/Conspiracy subs with alt accounts bitching about mods. That's been going on ever since this sub was created.
Illuminatedwax is the top mod here at /r/conspiracy, which means that user has power to remove any mod below him/her, which means that user can do whatever he/she wants to do with this sub.
Whenever we see self posts regarding mod gripes or calls for more leasership, illuminatedwax's name gets tossed around because they aren't very active here, but I argue that it works effectively enough with what this community thrives on - which is usually the least amount of mod presence possible.
He also came up a lot during our AMA debacles including the fake Richard Gage AMA as well as Rob Balsemo's (Rob would not shut up about it).
Ever see Primer? I liken illuminatedwax's inactivity as the final plot point in Primer (no, I won't spoil it). Go watch it on Netflix. Good flick.
First off, I'm not your bud, but asking a simple question. Kay, this person is in top roles of 50+ subs, why and how did that happen? Why does this need to be? Seems to me like he is an admin, who took/was given these roles to control the subs. I'm asking you, why and what do you know. To have one top mod of so many subs, means that who ever this person is, has absolute rule of the sub. Sounds like an admin or insider. Why is this okay? I'm building my own variant of this place. Everything about reddit seems to stink like fresh dog shit. Whatever.
Edit: downvote all you want, but the question remains. Why does one user have mod ship over 50+ subs. Fuck all.
Seems obvious to me - Redditor for 7 years. Reddit exploded in 2010, which means illuminatedwax was here for at least two years before all the plebes jumped in the pool. Like old school chanops on irc. Just because someone's a chan op doesn't mean they're a server op. Knew plenty of people back in the day who got in early and opped a bunch of channels.
First off, I'm not your bud, but asking a simple question.
You did. You asked how you can mod 54 sub's. Make a sub, get in on the ground floor, and boom you're in. First come first serve. Asked and answered.
Kay, this person is in top roles of 50+ subs, why and how did that happen?
Explained above.
Why does this need to be?
It doesn't. It just is.
Seems to me like he is an admin, who took/was given these roles to control the subs.
No proof really, but I can dig it. It's tough to ignore, isn't it?
I'm asking you, why and what do you know.
I know just as much as you.
To have one top mod of so many subs, means that who ever this person is, has absolute rule of the sub. Sounds like an admin or insider.
I agree.
Why is this okay?
It's not, but there's nothing you or I can do about it.
I'm building my own variant of this place. Everything about reddit seems to stink like fresh dog shit. Whatever.
Best of luck.
And reading the above thread again - it comes off like you think I owe you something. I don't owe you shit. Sure, you can expect more, but this is voluntary for me. I can answer your questions any way I want. Sorry for getting uppity - that struck a nerve for some reason and I don't know why.
I choose to respond with larger replies more often than not here to get people to connect some dots and think about things in a slightly different way or vantage point. But I do this because I like it, and feel it's the best use of my bored time. But I'll make sure I don't give you shirt answers any more.
I can vouch for the connect the dots thing. And his response did come off demanding, but I think there's a lot of tension in the sub so he might have thought you were being a condescending you typed "bud". Simple misunderstanding all around. Peace hombres.
Came off a little pushy, my bad. I too have had a long day. I'm just trying to figure this shit out. This doesn't smell right to me. To be on top of 50+ subs all/many major seems of a plant. I'm sorry for the inquisition. Shit got the best of me. It's time for something new, and the door is still open for you. The future is near, and yes, fuck this place. Cheers mate, I just took a shot of whiskey for ya. :)
I have a note book of ideas, I also have 40% code written, by myself. Voat is using reddit code, I'm writing it from the ground up. So any features can be implemented. I'm a dev/designer. I'd love to hear your thoughts.....
They're nothing game-breaking (I don't think...) But I'll give you a nibble to see if you can see where I'm going.
You know how there are some users here who have long, thoughtful comments with links to sources, and while I'm sure they have their own biases and agenda - they can admit they are wrong, are generally polite (I failed that above, and again apologize), and try and present facts and sources in an easy to digest way? Sometimes it reinforces OP, sometimes it counters OP?
I have noticed and tried to model my discourse in that way here lately with solid results. Other users of note include /u/internetpropagandist, /u/shelloilnigeria, /u/strokethekitty, and many others which I apologize for forgetting off the top of my head (been dealing with snow in New England for weeks now and am exhausted.
Well, what I'm getting at is - if I were to leave this place - it would be to a place that encourages that kind of communication, and rewards it (with upvotes, tips (the change tip bot was the genesis for this), and other incentives.
Could you imagine a link aggregator site and community that rewards thought provoking content and debunking of stories? Maybe not something you could quit your day job over, but the incentives would encourage this behavior more-so than now. And that mentality (checking sources, big picture thinking, et cetera) is something we have been missing in the US (at least) for a long time now. What are your thoughts?
FYI... the OP posted this. Just thought you should know that this has been my experience with Flytape also:
We censored him by selectively enforcing (sometimes non-existent) rules until he lost his shit, and then we banned him for not keeping his temper. Our M.O.
That's nothing, there are users who mod hundreds. I suspect that many of these are shared among more than one person or are in some way related to the admins - perhaps a way to track and record the various mod logs, or as a fail safe to nuke the sub/mods if it became necessary. I'm not sure - I do know that i_wax has never made a single action or comment since I've become a mod here. And he/she could remove the rest of the mod team at any time.
He is one of the SJW that ruined 4chan, as discussed in the stickied thread in this sub.
He also has links to the SJWs of Reddit.
He never participates. He does not do any moderating here. All he is here for, is to maintain control of the sub for the SJWs and give them access to the private modmail in this sub.
I am guessing that Flytape is here because he does IW's dirty work with censoring. I think SM also works for IW.
Due to IW's links to the admins, Flytape is allowed to get unshadowbanned.
Thanks for breaking it down, I tried following the other threads and was having a hard time with it. Seems like I'm seeing some of the regulars here, who've always seemed like the leaders of the sub, even if they're not mods, going head to head on mod stuff. I have to wonder how much of it could be to derail the sub and how much we are getting suckered in to it. I obviously don't understand the intricacies of the current mod problem, but from an outsiders perspective this one seems different, seems like more of the recognized names are on different sides of the issue.
It is weird that someone was banned for basically just posting annoying stuff about limited hangouts. I get that it was annoying. And basically everything that he posted about, but maybe that was the kind of thing he cared to post about, there are a lot of users who only post about one thing. And I get how it is annoying to regulars and mods and people like me checking the new tab more frequently than the hot tab, but there are people who only browse /r/conspiracy occasionally and maybe that guy was just pimping out his limited hangout theory hoping to pick up another couple of people that'd maybe end up interested in his stuff.
There's annoying shit to sift through everywhere. I hope he was banned because he was annoying and not because the content, people shouldnt really get banned for content unless it is truly spam stuff (like bots) or hate speech. But then we're left trying to answer the question of, did someone get banned for annoying a mod?
Again, I'm not saying I have this figured out, but this is how the argument is coming across to a regular lurker but someone unfamiliar with the deeper crevices of subreddit drama.
It is weird that someone was banned for basically just posting annoying stuff about limited hangouts.
That's not why he was banned. He was banned for retaliatory personal attacks against people who disagreed with him plus posting what amounted to witch hunts against some of those very same people.
That's just one example of many and not the final one that got him banned (note that I wasn't the mod that finally banned him). Another issue was his constant spamming of links, probably in the hundreds over the past few months, to his own subreddit.
As long as people are civil and follow the rules, we have no problem with discussions about limited hangouts.
The first example is a stretch at anything out of line, there's been a lot worse stuff in here The retaliatory post, yeah, that's definitely a witch hunt type post, but wasn't there a bunch of drama about 911 and the ama that was botched (please disregard if this is unrelated, it is the only reasonable conspiracy to post about between a link between mods with shared responsibilities and whether or not that ama was really a set up)?
The link thing I am totally in support of, ban away when people are shit posting, especially for their own advertisement.
I can understand the ban after all is added up, but there is no rule in the side bar about a bunch of minor offenses eventually leading to a ban so for people who don't see all of GTs stuff all the time, it may seem like the ban came after a petty offense.
No one was advertising anything. He isn't making any money off of page views on his sub. He is just trying to educate people. People who desperately need to be educated about an issue that is important.
We censored him by selectively enforcing (sometimes non-existent) rules until he lost his shit, and then we banned him for not keeping his temper. Our M.O.
I consider myself a regular here and I really have no idea about the mods. All I can say is that from my own experience they've always been upfront and went out of their way to be open more than any sub I've seen.
I see a lot of peple calling BS on this but I have no idea how to judge what they'r saying. I can only go on my own experience.
And is it that sjw are bad, or that they are claiming not to be, but actually are?
(Real question, see I told you it is tough to follow, especially being unfamiliar with the other boards)
Oh. OK. I thought a SJW was softer than that, much less troll-y. I thought a SJW was that stereotypical redditor image of a neck-beard fedora dude who tells the ugly girls on gonewild that they were pretty after someone told them they were overweight, basically just a dbag white knight type thing. TIL. Thanks.
Edit. Went back and read your edit to more specific definition. Lol.
Yeah, some neckbeards are white knight SJWs. Flytape is often SM's white knight. Flytape has been around a little longer, so he protects his little piggy whenever anyone calls her fat.
IlluminatedWax is a straight, balls to the wall, SJW. He doesn't like offensive jokes or any sort of freedom of speech. Which makes it pretty funny that he is a mod of /r/4chan.
Luckily, Illuminated maintains his high position and lack of scrutiny by not overtly censoring anyone. But I believe that is why he keeps people like Flytape and SovereignMan on the team. They do the censoring, and he makes sure they never get shadowbanned or removed from the mod team.
You can delete the names so you don't get banned, if that's possible?, I know who you're talking about after reading through some of the other posts. I don't see those listed mods as being bad mods so it's hard for me to agree with you that they would be pulling shady stuff with other mods, I don't think that's impossible, but I think that the other existing mods here would probably call them out. This is one sub I've seen where the mods work really well together, but also aren't afraid to call each other on bullshit. But again, just because I don't see it doesn't mean that it's happening to some extent.
Oh, not every mod was too pleased with George getting banned. They are def not all in agreement.
There are some mods here who pull quite a bit of bullshit, and def raise the suspicion of other mods. The prob is, the shady mods are backed by the higher ranking mods.
Why does George claim he was banned? What was unfair about it in his opinion? (assuming you know his side of the story). Spamming links and personal attacks are kind of a no brainer, but I guess part of the banning was putting together a witch hunt.
This sub of all subs should be able to post whatever they want and not have someone demand proof of them to keep posting and I think I saw in the other thread someone mentioned that he would only post about Snowden being a LHO but wouldn't provide proof of his claims. That can't be a reason for a ban right, posting a conspiracy, but not being able to prove it?
The SJWs here don't like people saying that Snowden is a Limited Hangout (which he obv is), so they censor his posts, and call it "blow spam", or whatever bullshit excuse they give. So George calls them out on their censorship, because who the fuck are they to censor his posts? If the community thinks its annoying all they have to do is downvote it or hide it. It's no big deal. But the mods here think they are special, and that they know something, and that they get to decide what this community will and won't discuss.
This seems like the most logical approach. Let the content speak for itself, unless it is hate speech. It will create extra sewage to wade through, but that should be a badge of honor for this sub; yeah we have got to find our way through shit, but its worth it for what we find. As passionately as people believe that ES is a LHO, there are people just the same who believe he's a hero, let them all make a case for what they belive and why they belive it. That's what this sub is for, right?
From what sovereign says it was more than just the LHO stuff, and I respect what he says, he's a a solid voice around here, I haven't seen it first hand so I'm stumped at the moment. Color me confused.
You should probably do a little investigating first. Just because you saw a funny comment he made on a thread one time doesn't mean he is worthy of anyone's respect.
Of course he is going to say "It was more than just the Snowden posts". What did you expect him to say? He selectively enforces the rules to suit his own agenda. Open your eyes.
Fair enough, I mean my opinion of respect won't be swayed by telling me to wake up. I respect him as much as I respect you and as much as you can respect someone online, but it boils down to just having a conversation and keeping it going forward, nobody has to agree with anyone else. I'm not saying I think you're wrong or George was wrong, from my vantage point and my collected information, the ban, in my opinion, wasn't warrented, but I'd have a preference to have less banning in general. No bans unless it's a bot or someone bringing message of hate. If people really gets pissed off about a downturn in the quality of content maybe they will login and vote. It blows my mind that there can be so many users on at one time and stories and comments sit at 4 and 5 votes all day. Maybe we really should stop modding so hard, maybe it'd encourage community involvement. If everyone did their part and voted it'd be like a self regulating sub, we wouldn't even need mods....oh...
Be careful about all this "Let's ban hate speech", because then everything becomes hate speech.
Look at what the jews are trying to do right now. They are trying to make any criticism of them considered hate speech and they want it made illegal. Pretty soon you won't be allowed to speak at all in france.
Everyone should be able to say whatever the fuck they want. Any rules against it will inevitably be used to censor any dissenters.
Everyone should be able to say whatever the fuck they want.
I guess I disagree with you here. There has to be a line. But that line can be way off in the distance, around death threats, and stocking/doxing, and maybe a few other places. I think most everything else should be fair game, I mean if it can be said on Call of Duty by a 7year old with crap bags for parents, it should be allowed to be said here. Why don't we just change the rules of the sub to 18+ only, how many people would that really impact?
I don't think FlyTape is a social justice warrior, he banned me and accused me of being one not too long ago. But I'm sure you know this already, eh?
Also, shouldn't that be a good thing? What's wrong with wanting social justice? Shouldn't that be something we all aspire to?
Alsox2, who effing cares? Why is the sub all of a sudden flooded with all this stupid meta-wah-i-want-new-mods-and-I'm-scared-of-wimmens talk? I have to go to /r/highstrangeness to read anything interesting lately.
SJWs have nothing to do with actual social justice. It's more about being a special snowflake and taking offense to the least offensive thing in order to prove how progressive, special, and sensitive they are.
Flytape is primarily a SJW on behalf of the Jews. Any talk of jews is racist and grounds for a ban. He's a good goy.
I don't know Flytape's deal for sure, but I have noticed that he allows certain posters to continue here that clearly break the rules every single day and do nothing but defend government narratives while continually insulting the entire sub. When he is called out for this behavior, he rule #10s the person and bans them instead.
His inconsistent behavior and crass attitude lead me to not trust him.
(I'll probably get rule #10'd for this, so I'll see you guys on the next throwaway account.)
Yeah, the mod team is full of cancer because of this. Don't see any way to wrestle it away from him either. He's obviously well connected with the admins.
I think it's cute how sovereignman defends him though.
He also has a lot of pretend fights with the /r/conspiratards where he is shadowbanned for an hour and then unshadowbanned.
Then we can all say "Gee, Flytape is really willing to go to war for us", but it's all just a sham. That is how he is able to censor things and not get scrutinized.
I also believe he is just a puppet for IW. IW can't risk anything, being the top mod, but he can make sure his buddies do his work for him, and he can keep them unbanned.
It's all a crock of shit. The sub has been dead for a long time. Time to move on to voat.co
To be honest, I think the top three should be heavily investigated, and probably removed.
Came off a little pushy, my bad. I too have had a long day. I'm just trying to figure this shit out. This doesn't smell right to me. To be on top of 50+ subs all/many major seems of a plant. I'm sorry for the inquisition. Shit got the best of me. It's time for something new, and the door is still open for you. The future is near, and yes, fuck this place. Cheers mate, I just took a shot of whiskey for ya. :)
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4 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
Out of curiosity, how can you possibly be a moderator of 54 subs?
2 SovereignMan 2015-02-10
Illuminatedwax was here at Reddit very early on and actually created most of those subs where he is top mod, including this one. For the most part he's not active unless there's a major problem with the rest of the mods. And by "major" I don't mean the very few people coming here from anti-/r/Conspiracy subs with alt accounts bitching about mods. That's been going on ever since this sub was created.
-5 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Nice try. Every single complaint about you and flytrap has been from regular users here. Until they get banned.
And not too surprising that you had to come in and defend the SJW clown /u/illuminatedwax
Not too surprising at all.
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
You can't.
2 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
So.... What does that mean? How is this account a mod of 54 subs?
0 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
First come first serve man.
2 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
Not following, who is illuminatedwax? What are you trying to say....
6 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
Top mod.
-3 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
I expect more from you James, you seem like a good dude. Care to explain, rather than give me one answer responses.
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
Sorry bud.
Illuminatedwax is the top mod here at /r/conspiracy, which means that user has power to remove any mod below him/her, which means that user can do whatever he/she wants to do with this sub.
Whenever we see self posts regarding mod gripes or calls for more leasership, illuminatedwax's name gets tossed around because they aren't very active here, but I argue that it works effectively enough with what this community thrives on - which is usually the least amount of mod presence possible.
He also came up a lot during our AMA debacles including the fake Richard Gage AMA as well as Rob Balsemo's (Rob would not shut up about it).
Ever see Primer? I liken illuminatedwax's inactivity as the final plot point in Primer (no, I won't spoil it). Go watch it on Netflix. Good flick.
He also had a kickstarter detailed here.
...is that better ;)
0 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
First off, I'm not your bud, but asking a simple question. Kay, this person is in top roles of 50+ subs, why and how did that happen? Why does this need to be? Seems to me like he is an admin, who took/was given these roles to control the subs. I'm asking you, why and what do you know. To have one top mod of so many subs, means that who ever this person is, has absolute rule of the sub. Sounds like an admin or insider. Why is this okay? I'm building my own variant of this place. Everything about reddit seems to stink like fresh dog shit. Whatever.
Edit: downvote all you want, but the question remains. Why does one user have mod ship over 50+ subs. Fuck all.
3 dejenerate 2015-02-10
Seems obvious to me - Redditor for 7 years. Reddit exploded in 2010, which means illuminatedwax was here for at least two years before all the plebes jumped in the pool. Like old school chanops on irc. Just because someone's a chan op doesn't mean they're a server op. Knew plenty of people back in the day who got in early and opped a bunch of channels.
3 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
You did. You asked how you can mod 54 sub's. Make a sub, get in on the ground floor, and boom you're in. First come first serve. Asked and answered.
Explained above.
It doesn't. It just is.
No proof really, but I can dig it. It's tough to ignore, isn't it?
I know just as much as you.
I agree.
It's not, but there's nothing you or I can do about it.
Best of luck.
And reading the above thread again - it comes off like you think I owe you something. I don't owe you shit. Sure, you can expect more, but this is voluntary for me. I can answer your questions any way I want. Sorry for getting uppity - that struck a nerve for some reason and I don't know why.
I choose to respond with larger replies more often than not here to get people to connect some dots and think about things in a slightly different way or vantage point. But I do this because I like it, and feel it's the best use of my bored time. But I'll make sure I don't give you shirt answers any more.
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
I can vouch for the connect the dots thing. And his response did come off demanding, but I think there's a lot of tension in the sub so he might have thought you were being a condescending you typed "bud". Simple misunderstanding all around. Peace hombres.
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
Long days & pleasant nights.
-1 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
Maybe it was cuz I saw you as a cool dude to enlist in a top position at the place I'm creating. Guess not, bye.
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
I'd love to help man, as I see this place as a sinking ship.
My apologies for earlier - just had a long day. Didn't mean to take it out on you.
2 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
Came off a little pushy, my bad. I too have had a long day. I'm just trying to figure this shit out. This doesn't smell right to me. To be on top of 50+ subs all/many major seems of a plant. I'm sorry for the inquisition. Shit got the best of me. It's time for something new, and the door is still open for you. The future is near, and yes, fuck this place. Cheers mate, I just took a shot of whiskey for ya. :)
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
Sounds good. Let me know what I can do - I have a few wacky ideas.
2 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
I have a note book of ideas, I also have 40% code written, by myself. Voat is using reddit code, I'm writing it from the ground up. So any features can be implemented. I'm a dev/designer. I'd love to hear your thoughts.....
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
They're nothing game-breaking (I don't think...) But I'll give you a nibble to see if you can see where I'm going.
You know how there are some users here who have long, thoughtful comments with links to sources, and while I'm sure they have their own biases and agenda - they can admit they are wrong, are generally polite (I failed that above, and again apologize), and try and present facts and sources in an easy to digest way? Sometimes it reinforces OP, sometimes it counters OP?
I have noticed and tried to model my discourse in that way here lately with solid results. Other users of note include /u/internetpropagandist, /u/shelloilnigeria, /u/strokethekitty, and many others which I apologize for forgetting off the top of my head (been dealing with snow in New England for weeks now and am exhausted.
Well, what I'm getting at is - if I were to leave this place - it would be to a place that encourages that kind of communication, and rewards it (with upvotes, tips (the change tip bot was the genesis for this), and other incentives.
Could you imagine a link aggregator site and community that rewards thought provoking content and debunking of stories? Maybe not something you could quit your day job over, but the incentives would encourage this behavior more-so than now. And that mentality (checking sources, big picture thinking, et cetera) is something we have been missing in the US (at least) for a long time now. What are your thoughts?
1 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
Not sure if you saw my response in a line of your convo but wanted to draw your attention to it above. Respect to both you guys, we can all get along.
-1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Very good.
There are a few power users who wield a LOT of control over what is allowed to be discussed on this website.
This mod is responsible for people like Flytape and SovereignMan being mods here.
0 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
You fail to mention IW's SJW stance on everything, his moderating of /r/Funny, /r/4Chan, /r/Scientology, along with a bunch of cancer subs.
And most importantly, why does he never participate or contribute anything, anywhere.
He is ultimately in control of this sub. The people and subs he is connected to should speak volumes.
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
I "failed" to mention it because it's plastered everywhere else in this thread.
No idea.
I agree.
2 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-02-10
FYI... the OP posted this. Just thought you should know that this has been my experience with Flytape also:
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-02-10
That's nothing, there are users who mod hundreds. I suspect that many of these are shared among more than one person or are in some way related to the admins - perhaps a way to track and record the various mod logs, or as a fail safe to nuke the sub/mods if it became necessary. I'm not sure - I do know that i_wax has never made a single action or comment since I've become a mod here. And he/she could remove the rest of the mod team at any time.
-1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
That's what happens when you want a small group of people controlling what a lot of people think and believe.
3 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
I don't get it, what aspect of it makes a mole?
3 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
the top mod spot of /r/con is occupied by a poweruser, who mods subs like /r/Funny, /r/Tumblr, /r/Scientology, /r/4chan along with about 100 others.
He is one of the SJW that ruined 4chan, as discussed in the stickied thread in this sub.
He also has links to the SJWs of Reddit.
He never participates. He does not do any moderating here. All he is here for, is to maintain control of the sub for the SJWs and give them access to the private modmail in this sub.
I am guessing that Flytape is here because he does IW's dirty work with censoring. I think SM also works for IW.
Due to IW's links to the admins, Flytape is allowed to get unshadowbanned.
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
Thanks for breaking it down, I tried following the other threads and was having a hard time with it. Seems like I'm seeing some of the regulars here, who've always seemed like the leaders of the sub, even if they're not mods, going head to head on mod stuff. I have to wonder how much of it could be to derail the sub and how much we are getting suckered in to it. I obviously don't understand the intricacies of the current mod problem, but from an outsiders perspective this one seems different, seems like more of the recognized names are on different sides of the issue.
It is weird that someone was banned for basically just posting annoying stuff about limited hangouts. I get that it was annoying. And basically everything that he posted about, but maybe that was the kind of thing he cared to post about, there are a lot of users who only post about one thing. And I get how it is annoying to regulars and mods and people like me checking the new tab more frequently than the hot tab, but there are people who only browse /r/conspiracy occasionally and maybe that guy was just pimping out his limited hangout theory hoping to pick up another couple of people that'd maybe end up interested in his stuff.
There's annoying shit to sift through everywhere. I hope he was banned because he was annoying and not because the content, people shouldnt really get banned for content unless it is truly spam stuff (like bots) or hate speech. But then we're left trying to answer the question of, did someone get banned for annoying a mod?
Again, I'm not saying I have this figured out, but this is how the argument is coming across to a regular lurker but someone unfamiliar with the deeper crevices of subreddit drama.
3 SovereignMan 2015-02-10
That's not why he was banned. He was banned for retaliatory personal attacks against people who disagreed with him plus posting what amounted to witch hunts against some of those very same people.
One example: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2uh57i/any_post_about_snowden_being_limited_hangout_or/co8dewo followed up by George_Tenet with http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2umcp8/sovereignman_is_mod_not_only_this_sub_but_911/
That's just one example of many and not the final one that got him banned (note that I wasn't the mod that finally banned him). Another issue was his constant spamming of links, probably in the hundreds over the past few months, to his own subreddit.
As long as people are civil and follow the rules, we have no problem with discussions about limited hangouts.
6 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
The first example is a stretch at anything out of line, there's been a lot worse stuff in here The retaliatory post, yeah, that's definitely a witch hunt type post, but wasn't there a bunch of drama about 911 and the ama that was botched (please disregard if this is unrelated, it is the only reasonable conspiracy to post about between a link between mods with shared responsibilities and whether or not that ama was really a set up)? The link thing I am totally in support of, ban away when people are shit posting, especially for their own advertisement.
I can understand the ban after all is added up, but there is no rule in the side bar about a bunch of minor offenses eventually leading to a ban so for people who don't see all of GTs stuff all the time, it may seem like the ban came after a petty offense.
1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Yeah, no.
No one was advertising anything. He isn't making any money off of page views on his sub. He is just trying to educate people. People who desperately need to be educated about an issue that is important.
-2 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Translation:
We censored him by selectively enforcing (sometimes non-existent) rules until he lost his shit, and then we banned him for not keeping his temper. Our M.O.
1 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-02-10
This is the pattern that I have seen also.
1 shadowofashadow 2015-02-10
I consider myself a regular here and I really have no idea about the mods. All I can say is that from my own experience they've always been upfront and went out of their way to be open more than any sub I've seen.
I see a lot of peple calling BS on this but I have no idea how to judge what they'r saying. I can only go on my own experience.
-1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Some content is not allowed to be freely discussed here. That content is censored.
The three mods mentioned are also SJWs.
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
And is it that sjw are bad, or that they are claiming not to be, but actually are? (Real question, see I told you it is tough to follow, especially being unfamiliar with the other boards)
1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW
Definition #3 is probably most accurate.
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
Oh. OK. I thought a SJW was softer than that, much less troll-y. I thought a SJW was that stereotypical redditor image of a neck-beard fedora dude who tells the ugly girls on gonewild that they were pretty after someone told them they were overweight, basically just a dbag white knight type thing. TIL. Thanks.
Edit. Went back and read your edit to more specific definition. Lol.
1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Yeah, some neckbeards are white knight SJWs. Flytape is often SM's white knight. Flytape has been around a little longer, so he protects his little piggy whenever anyone calls her fat.
IlluminatedWax is a straight, balls to the wall, SJW. He doesn't like offensive jokes or any sort of freedom of speech. Which makes it pretty funny that he is a mod of /r/4chan.
Luckily, Illuminated maintains his high position and lack of scrutiny by not overtly censoring anyone. But I believe that is why he keeps people like Flytape and SovereignMan on the team. They do the censoring, and he makes sure they never get shadowbanned or removed from the mod team.
inb4 banned for attacking mods
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
You can delete the names so you don't get banned, if that's possible?, I know who you're talking about after reading through some of the other posts. I don't see those listed mods as being bad mods so it's hard for me to agree with you that they would be pulling shady stuff with other mods, I don't think that's impossible, but I think that the other existing mods here would probably call them out. This is one sub I've seen where the mods work really well together, but also aren't afraid to call each other on bullshit. But again, just because I don't see it doesn't mean that it's happening to some extent.
1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Oh, not every mod was too pleased with George getting banned. They are def not all in agreement.
There are some mods here who pull quite a bit of bullshit, and def raise the suspicion of other mods. The prob is, the shady mods are backed by the higher ranking mods.
1 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
Why does George claim he was banned? What was unfair about it in his opinion? (assuming you know his side of the story). Spamming links and personal attacks are kind of a no brainer, but I guess part of the banning was putting together a witch hunt.
This sub of all subs should be able to post whatever they want and not have someone demand proof of them to keep posting and I think I saw in the other thread someone mentioned that he would only post about Snowden being a LHO but wouldn't provide proof of his claims. That can't be a reason for a ban right, posting a conspiracy, but not being able to prove it?
-2 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
The SJWs here don't like people saying that Snowden is a Limited Hangout (which he obv is), so they censor his posts, and call it "blow spam", or whatever bullshit excuse they give. So George calls them out on their censorship, because who the fuck are they to censor his posts? If the community thinks its annoying all they have to do is downvote it or hide it. It's no big deal. But the mods here think they are special, and that they know something, and that they get to decide what this community will and won't discuss.
So when George called them out, he got banned.
They do it to a lot of people.
There are other mods that do not like it at all.
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
This seems like the most logical approach. Let the content speak for itself, unless it is hate speech. It will create extra sewage to wade through, but that should be a badge of honor for this sub; yeah we have got to find our way through shit, but its worth it for what we find. As passionately as people believe that ES is a LHO, there are people just the same who believe he's a hero, let them all make a case for what they belive and why they belive it. That's what this sub is for, right?
From what sovereign says it was more than just the LHO stuff, and I respect what he says, he's a a solid voice around here, I haven't seen it first hand so I'm stumped at the moment. Color me confused.
-2 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
You should probably do a little investigating first. Just because you saw a funny comment he made on a thread one time doesn't mean he is worthy of anyone's respect.
Of course he is going to say "It was more than just the Snowden posts". What did you expect him to say? He selectively enforces the rules to suit his own agenda. Open your eyes.
0 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
Fair enough, I mean my opinion of respect won't be swayed by telling me to wake up. I respect him as much as I respect you and as much as you can respect someone online, but it boils down to just having a conversation and keeping it going forward, nobody has to agree with anyone else. I'm not saying I think you're wrong or George was wrong, from my vantage point and my collected information, the ban, in my opinion, wasn't warrented, but I'd have a preference to have less banning in general. No bans unless it's a bot or someone bringing message of hate. If people really gets pissed off about a downturn in the quality of content maybe they will login and vote. It blows my mind that there can be so many users on at one time and stories and comments sit at 4 and 5 votes all day. Maybe we really should stop modding so hard, maybe it'd encourage community involvement. If everyone did their part and voted it'd be like a self regulating sub, we wouldn't even need mods....oh...
-1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Be careful about all this "Let's ban hate speech", because then everything becomes hate speech.
Look at what the jews are trying to do right now. They are trying to make any criticism of them considered hate speech and they want it made illegal. Pretty soon you won't be allowed to speak at all in france.
Everyone should be able to say whatever the fuck they want. Any rules against it will inevitably be used to censor any dissenters.
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-02-10
I guess I disagree with you here. There has to be a line. But that line can be way off in the distance, around death threats, and stocking/doxing, and maybe a few other places. I think most everything else should be fair game, I mean if it can be said on Call of Duty by a 7year old with crap bags for parents, it should be allowed to be said here. Why don't we just change the rules of the sub to 18+ only, how many people would that really impact?
-2 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Rules are only good for censorship. Nothing else.
1 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-02-10
I see no reason that /u/illuminatedwax belongs on that moderator list. None at all.
0 dejenerate 2015-02-10
I don't think FlyTape is a social justice warrior, he banned me and accused me of being one not too long ago. But I'm sure you know this already, eh?
Also, shouldn't that be a good thing? What's wrong with wanting social justice? Shouldn't that be something we all aspire to?
Alsox2, who effing cares? Why is the sub all of a sudden flooded with all this stupid meta-wah-i-want-new-mods-and-I'm-scared-of-wimmens talk? I have to go to /r/highstrangeness to read anything interesting lately.
1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
SJWs have nothing to do with actual social justice. It's more about being a special snowflake and taking offense to the least offensive thing in order to prove how progressive, special, and sensitive they are.
Flytape is primarily a SJW on behalf of the Jews. Any talk of jews is racist and grounds for a ban. He's a good goy.
3 dejenerate 2015-02-10
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about with that guy. Too funny.
I say post some good conspiracy topics or gtfo, your whiny baby bs is clogging up my feed.
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1 dejenerate 2015-02-10
This is why you are an idiot - I am NOT a supporter of flytape. At All. And if you knew anything of what you were speaking about, you'd know that.
You really need to go back to intrigue school here, because you are highlarious. :)
0 SovereignMan 2015-02-10
Rule 10. Stop with the personal attacks. 1st warning.
-1 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
1 BeneathTheRainbow 2015-02-10
I don't know Flytape's deal for sure, but I have noticed that he allows certain posters to continue here that clearly break the rules every single day and do nothing but defend government narratives while continually insulting the entire sub. When he is called out for this behavior, he rule #10s the person and bans them instead.
His inconsistent behavior and crass attitude lead me to not trust him.
(I'll probably get rule #10'd for this, so I'll see you guys on the next throwaway account.)
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-02-10
Leave Stephen alone, man.
0 GaseForHC 2015-02-10
Not surprised at all.
0 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
Yeah, the mod team is full of cancer because of this. Don't see any way to wrestle it away from him either. He's obviously well connected with the admins.
I think it's cute how sovereignman defends him though.
0 GaseForHC 2015-02-10
So do you think flytape is really in on this though? He has been very anti-sjw in the past, guess it could have been a false flag.
-2 AlphamaxHD 2015-02-10
He also has a lot of pretend fights with the /r/conspiratards where he is shadowbanned for an hour and then unshadowbanned.
Then we can all say "Gee, Flytape is really willing to go to war for us", but it's all just a sham. That is how he is able to censor things and not get scrutinized.
I also believe he is just a puppet for IW. IW can't risk anything, being the top mod, but he can make sure his buddies do his work for him, and he can keep them unbanned.
It's all a crock of shit. The sub has been dead for a long time. Time to move on to voat.co
To be honest, I think the top three should be heavily investigated, and probably removed.
-1 dejenerate 2015-02-10
You're missing a comma. I for one am thankful that one of our mods is a human being that doesn't just lurrrrv the rape jokes.
Jaysus, man, what's your major malfunction?
2 IlluminatedSnickers 2015-02-10
Came off a little pushy, my bad. I too have had a long day. I'm just trying to figure this shit out. This doesn't smell right to me. To be on top of 50+ subs all/many major seems of a plant. I'm sorry for the inquisition. Shit got the best of me. It's time for something new, and the door is still open for you. The future is near, and yes, fuck this place. Cheers mate, I just took a shot of whiskey for ya. :)