I'm not buying the IS narrative.

22  2015-02-16 by [deleted]

I guess the question I find myself asking is Why? Why would IS kill dozens of hostages when it knows that there will be retaliation? It is clear to me that IS' motives are not to have their prisoners released from foreign governments or to stop airstrikes. If anything IS seems to want more airstrikes and even ground force attacks. There MAY not be some huge conspiracy here but there is definitely more to the story than we are getting. I was wondering what your thoughts are to IS' endgame and goals in their game.

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ISIS is as real as Satam al-Suqami's passport.

Seems kind of hard to believe that they could start up a franchise operation in Libya. Then what's the first thing they do? They do the one thing guaranteed to generate maximum outrage in another country and get that country involved in a war against them.

We saw Yazidis in Iraq. Decapitated hostages from all kinds of countries. Last week it was that Jordanian pilot and this week it's Egyptian Copts. They've pretty much got every country covered now. But there's always next week.

Germany?

Japan before Egypt was a last minute script change to even the spread.

This is what I think.

Look up "Genie Energy" on Wikipedia. Look at the Board of Directors. See any familiar names? Ex-veeps? Banksters? Media owners?

Then google Genie Energy Golan Heights.

Some psychopaths want We The People to send our sons and daughters off to fight/be maimed/die in another war so they can again reap the financial benefit.

Genie previously announced a strategic advisory board whose members provide strategic direction and council. Its members include former Vice President Dick Cheney, Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Rupert Murdoch.

Some of the nastiest humans on Earth intersect in an Israeli energy company. Whodathunkit?

Honestly, I don't think they really exist. We've been fed many names of "different" "Islamic extremists" Al-Qaeda, Taliban, (what ever happened to those two? did they just disband when Bin Laden died? "Well, It's been a good fight guys but the boss is dead. Time to call it quits.") and now ISIS. I wonder what next year's will be. Also, I don't think even the most idiotic, violent group of people would try to stop the "War on Terror" with even more terror. If anything these kinds of groups should just be trying to lay low but, they seem to want to stay in the spotlight which seems very odd to me.

Al-Qaeda, Taliban, (what ever happened to those two? did they just disband when Bin Laden died?

No, they didn't. The Taliban are still in full swing in Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan. And Bin Laden's right hand man, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, is the current leader of Al Qaeda. It's just that the media narrative has moved on to ISIS now. But they still make the headlines every now and then, you just have to monitor different news organisations, preferably not Western ones.

One recent example though would be the Pakistani military school massacre carried out by the Taliban in Pakistan, if you recall?

Yep, makes no sense whatsoever.

According to MSM, Jordan killed thousands of IS fighters after the video. Now Egypt.

It makes no sense that IS wants to get all their fighters killed.

I'd love to know how these countries even know they're killing IS fighters with their airstrikes. If their positions are so easy to find, why hasn't the US Wiped them out already?

More like random civilians are being bombed as they walk down the street.

I'd love to see some media from middle eastern publications on these attacks. What do the locals think about all this? Does anybody have any links?

They can see it for the bullshit that it is.

Is America behind the creation of the Islamic State? The BBC's Suzanne Kianpour, in Beirut, looks at the latest conspiracy theory doing the rounds in Lebanon.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28745990

... the Tehran Times, recently ran a front-page story describing the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria’s (ISIS) June offensive in Iraq as part of a U.S.-backed plot to destabilize the region and protect Israel.

http://time.com/2992269/isis-is-an-american-plot-says-iran/

According to the theory, which appears to have started in Egypt and spread rapidly across the region, ISIS was created by the United States as part of a plot orchestrated by the former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton to replace the region’s autocratic rulers with more pliant Islamist allies.

http://nytimes.com/2014/08/27/world/middleeast/isis-conspiracy-theories-include-a-purported-american-plot.html

Of course the MSM is running damage control; these articles exist only to attempt discredit the theories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Strategy

The fifth phase is the declaration of an Islamic Caliphate, which was projected between 2013 and 2016. In this phase Al Qaeda expected the resistance from Israel to be heavily reduced.

The sixth phase is described as the declaration of an "Islamic Army" and a "fight between believers and non-believers", also called "total confrontation".

You dont get it because it makes no sense. ISIS is just a fabrication to get americans riled up and ready for the inevitable war in Syria and Iran. Sadly it seems to be working.

They want to encourage retaliation because they are engaged in political judo. It's the same as what Osama Bin Laden did, piss off a powerful enemy and draw them into your country. The powerful enemy bombs the hell out of everything which kills civilians thus swelling ISIS ranks with the angry relatives of those killed.

Thats not what Bin Laden did. All he wanted in life was for the US to LEAVE the middle east.

Another reason why the notion that he would poke the beast is rediculous.

Poking the beast is ridiculous? He killed thousands of Communist Russian troops, he ordered planes to be flown into the twin towers. Say what you like about Bin Laden but he proved himself to be perfectly onboard with attacking an opponent of any size and strength.

Please post evidence of his involvement in 9/11.

Hahaha. Thats your evidence? That would not get a common thief in prison for stealing an apple.

Do you know how many American soldiers have died fighting in the middle east over the last 14 years? How many trillions of dollars wasted that could have been spent improving America? And this is your acceptable evidence?

Disgusting.

Ok. Where is your evidence to the contrary?

I'm not saying the correct response to 9/11 was to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, I never said that. I don't really know why you brought that up.

Because its people like you, blindly accepting that Osama Bin Laden carried out the attacks because the media told you that as the attacks were happening, despite there being NIL evidence as admitted by the FBI, that these wars are allowed to happen!

Thank you! Keep fighting the good fight, brother!

Why are you so reluctant to provide evidence as to who was actually responsible for 9/11? Just point me in the general direction.

Whats that got to do with whether Bin Laden was involved?

I dont know who did it. By definition, a government coverup means the evidence has been covered up, meaning we dont have access to that information.

Are you saying that because we dont have solid evidence of who was actually to blame, that it means it must have been Bin Laden?

Well there is a lot of evidence that the Saudi's were heavily involved. And the prominent Saudi leader of an international terrorist organization who hates the West does seem to be a good candidate for the 9/11 bombings.

I seriously hope you are never present on any jury.

Haha. Look man I just try to go off the evidence I find. If you can show me anything that would change my mind, great. What I find futile is the mindset that nothing is as it seems, that believing the "official story" is automatically stupid simply because it's the official story and asserting something different because the absence of evidence is used as proof of a coverup. That seems like a dead end to me.

That's not to say everything shouldn't be questioned and examined, but not everything is a conspiracy.

Wow.

The US government has provided no evidence that Osama Bin Laden was involved in 9/11.

No evidence he was involved.

Do you understand?

You think I am stupid for questioning a story on which no evidence has been provided.

Imagine you're on a jury. Someone has been stabbed. A suspect is brought in who happens to own a lot of valuable stuff that the police would love to seize. There is no evidence he did it, but the police say he did. You notice both this guys arms have been amputated. The house the guy broke into to do the stabbing had the worlds best security system, that mysteriously did not work that night. Only the police had the ability to disable the system.

On what you're saying, you would imprison this man.

So what you are saying is that the US government needed an enemy because it wanted a pretext to invade Afghanistan/Iraq and so they allowed or orchestrated 9/11?

Do you think the US government planned and executed the Twin Towers bombings or do you think they knew it was coming and just let it happen?

Also, why would they use Bin Laden as the scapegoat? It doesn't seem like a great idea to me to pick a Saudi national to go after because Saudi Arabia is one of America's closest allies in the region. If they were just creating these enemies out of whole cloth why not an Iraqi or Afghan national?

No. I'm saying there is no evidence Osama Bin Laden was involved in 9/11.

How long are you going to carry on?

Well your little police analogy heavily implied it but you're quite reticent with what you actually do believe. That's fine.

Dear lord.

I dont need to provide an alternative theory. It doesnt matter what I believe.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS INVOLVED.

Do you understand?

The jury here, would throw the case out, and demand that the police provide sufficient evidence of what happened. Its not the jurys job to provide the evidence.

Calm down fella, I'm not as slow on the uptake as you seem to think.