Big Pharma apologist: "Yes but 100,001 lives were saved so it's a necessary sacrifice for the greater good."

I just want to know the reason it's not mentioned on almost every top 10 causes of death list. The only place I found it from a "respected" source was an FDA website.

It's the 3rd or 4th leading cause of death.

A lot of sites probably put "died of cancer" rather than "died of cancer that was caused by xxx drug"

I don't think cancer is included in adrs. That would increase the death count if anyone decided to figure out how many cases can be traced directly to medication-induced cancer.

Adrs are typically reactions between two medications, reactions between a med and a disease, and a reaction to a drug based on genetics.

Ah, well they probably catagorize the reaction and not what induced it then.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. -Mark Twain

Check out the cdc website: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

Crazy.

If you actually download the whole chart drug induced deaths sit at 46, 471 deaths. That most likely includes adr and ade but I'm guessing rules out suicide because suicide was it's own category? ADRs are not reactions between 2 medications, that's an ADE. ADRs are essentially side effects ie unintended consequences of a normal dose where as ADEs are overdoses, drug drug interactions etc.

http://www.fda.gov/drugs/developmentapprovalprocess/developmentresources/druginteractionslabeling/ucm110632.htm

However, other studies conducted on hospitalized patient populations have placed much higher estimates on the overall incidence of serious ADRs. These studies estimate that 6.7% of hospitalized patients have a serious adverse drug reaction with a fatality rate of 0.32%.2 If these estimates are correct, then there are more than 2,216,000 serious ADRs in hospitalized patients, causing over 106,000 deaths annually. If true, then ADRs are the 4th leading cause of death—ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents, and automobile deaths.

" The Institute of Medicine reported in January of 2000 that from 44,000 to 98,000 deaths occur annually from medical errors.1 Of this total, an estimated 7,000 deaths occur due to ADRs."

It says that right below the slide that says ADRs are responsible for 100k+ deaths annually. Thought that was strange.

Also it's difficult to argue ADR vs ADE since one encompasses the other. For example, in the "drug information handbook" put out by lexicomp, adverse drug reactions are listed completely separately than drug interactions. But the way the power point you linked is using the statistics (saying 100k died from adr then says 7k of 98k medical errors) it almost seems as if they are using the 2 phrases synonymously.

I included another source in my original post. It's between 100 and 200 thousand deaths.

And as for the FDA website claiming two numbers- that's because they are talking about more than one source of data. If you find any reason to doubt the higher estimates, I'd be more than happy to consider it.

Died of chemotherapy (ftfy)

Similarly, in the world of sociology, we refer to this phenomenon as iatrogenesis, which is any negative result caused by following medical advice, including medication

That's because the drugs saved far more lives than the reactions. Its a meaningless statistic.

Assuming that all of the drugs that caused the deaths actually "save lives" - which would be a false assumption, as many of these killer drugs do not "save lives" (e.g. NSAIDS / acetaminophen, etc) but merely improve quality of life.

And we need to talk about why the cdc and many others are deliberately fooling the public by not mentioning it.

Sigh. Ok, I'm not going to argue about all this stuff. I'm actually a very interested member of this sub, but I make a point to keep myself in check and look at things objectively and because I know better, I'm not going to get into this. I really like you guys, and love the trajectories information here sends me on, but I also see so much blanket negativity here that it keeps me from posting. I'm convinced there's a certain.. trajectory, or idealism.. not sure of the right word... that some people here go on that makes them only focus on the negativity of things and only sees things like this some kind of corrupt conspiracy to fuck us over. I know it's not that, but no matter what information I share with you it won't change your mind. There's zero chance. So arguing will only reinforce your preconceptions.