The debate should be whether we should be "forced" to vaccinate. The debate should be, are our bodies sovereign and do we have ultimate say in what we put in them. People who are pro-abortion say it's the females right to choose. Of course it is, we own our bodies. Same with vaccines, we own our bodies. We choose what we do with them. The gov can not force us to do anything within our own sovereign body. This debate is getting so muddied, and you can see why. Don't fall into the trap.

Fucking hell no, its not a women's right to choose if both parties agreed to have a baby. If she was raped or a one night stand sure. But if we both agreed to have children its both parents joint choice.

My question then becomes if you choose not to vaccinate, why should you be allowed to endanger others with your belief?

Sovereign body, you have much to learn. I agree, a man does have a right for input, but ultimately, it's their body. I'm not opening this can of worms, we shouldn't. That's the point. We are going to face tough issues in the coming days, but she is sovereign just as you are. Endanger your child from what, exactly? I need to shove needles and drugs in my kids for you to "think" your kids are safe? Please...

Sovereign body shit doesn't cut it when both parties agree to have a baby. I as a male contributed to the creation of that child and as such I have every right to equal say.

You are endangering others with your beliefs. Show me any scientific literature that is published that backs up vaccinations are bad. Please because I can't find any.

Sorry bro, you aint carrying that child. Hate to break it to you, she is. That's her body. You do not have equal say. I'm sticking up for each side,which is the right thing to do. It's not about scientific fact (i can provide links), this is where you are mislead, it's about a choice. I'm free to not do it. My god/creator/spaghtetti man in the sky right to do as I wish. You cannot force me or any other to do it. I choose, not you. You are opening a can of worms you cannot defend/nor understand. I pity you...

Ok fine lets not talk about how there's no science to back up claims that vaccines are bad. Let's not talk about the fact that the paper that kicked it all off was deemed incorrect by multiple sources and the "doctor" who wrote it was not only paid and fasified results and had his medical license revoked. Lets not talk about that. Lets just talk about the freedom of it. If you want the freedom to refuse a vaccine, fine you can get a waiver for your children. However a private company can still require you to be vaccinated to work for them (it is their company it's their perogative). A doctor in a private practice can still refuse to treat you. I can still refuse to let your children play with mine. This can all happen and not infringe on your freedoms, on your rights. However other people and their children have the right to life and by not being vaccinated you and yours risk that right. You can be damn sure that if you're the cause of my wife or any of my family's right to life being taken away because of your dumb ass decision to ignore something we've had for a century that I will do everything in my power to ensure that you lose your rights. That's how it works, you take away someone elses rights you lose yours.

Let's change focus now, back to the waivers and what not. If you have a religious (or any personal reason) not to be vaccinated. Fine, then suffer for your beliefs. The Amish are among those who don't get vaccinated based on beliefs so do what they do. Be an isolated community where you and all your non-vaccinated amigos can live in diseased harmony together away from the rest of society. Now everybody wins. You don't get the vaccines and we don't get sick from your dumb ass decisions.

Perfectly fine, as long as we have a choice. The issue is gov mandated vaccination. Most, who aren't vaccinated are homeschooled and/or secluded. Perfect. Get your kids out of that shit. Point being, there should be no mandate. That's all I'm saying. I believe in some vaccinations, which have been tested and proven. But I'm not about to get my kids hooked on some flu vaccine that gives them the flu. It's about choice. You really wanna give that up?

You realize that all vaccines in some way give you the disease right? It's how a vaccine works, you get a weakened form of the virus and your body fights it off like the real thing and now it know how to fight the real thing. As for the flu virus specifically: I get the nasal spray instead of the shot every year (my job requires I get the flu vaccine) which actually uses a live virus instead of the "dead" virus like the shot and the most I've ever gotten is a runny nose. I think your flu shot making you sick was either a fluke (it is a rare but possible side effect) or in your head.

As for the issue of mandating vaccines: I am campaining for the mandated vaccine. That's your choice, you get the vaccine or you go live in an isolated community. I don't want polio, polio sucks I like using my legs and you know not being dead.

Haven't gotten got it yet, nor have I spread it. It's the choice. Give it up homie, and you will be butt fucked. I struggled with illness, mainly bronchitis. Haven't gotten it yet, 8 years down. Don't sell your body out. You are playing with fire.....

Things like the flu vaccine no you probably don't need every year unless there's a huge wave of a new flu virus. However MMR? Fuck yeah that shit's important. Back when polio was still a threat (no longer thanks to vaccines)? Fuck yeah, like I said I enjoy walking and living. Vaccines help us eliminate diseases that don't need to be had that kill far more people than they should. Like I said you want the choice fine you get a choice: Get the vaccines, or go live in your little anti-vax hippie commune away from society and if you have to come to town for any reason wear a bio-hazard suit.

I'm for the major vaccines, I just don't want them mandatory. I think we agree on effectiveness, I just don't want mandatory. This opens a can of worms.... All I'm saying....

I made that child as equally as she did. You clearly don't have children or a wife with a brain.

You have the right to do as you please to yourself. What you don't have the right to do is force that onto others and endanger others.

Please provide me your evidence, I love learning and so far every single anti vaxxer can not provide any scientific published evidence to support their belief.

First off, fuck you. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm pro choice. Second, yeah I had a kid, whom was taken from me because of the mother. Thanks asshole. I understand her thoughts though and I agree. I told you I'm not against it, I'm against mandatory vaccination. Because the science and gov are butt fucking eachother, the science aint there. I'm pro choice.

If I put mine and my wife's house keys into her handbag, she doesn't have the right to do as she pleases with those keys. Its pretty simple.

LOL, you are comparing a human being to keys. Show how retarded you are. Piss off, live life and learn. My keys == my dead daughter. stupid fuck, bye.

Now your trolling as you've been called out. There is no shame in admitting that.

Not trolling you said it first.

If I put mine and my wife's house keys into her handbag, she doesn't have the right to do as she pleases with those keys. Its pretty simple.

Keys == humans to you, do explain. Giving you the chance.

Its called an example. Break a complex issue down to something others might understand.

And no, I don't think humans are keys...

The example is flawed. You broke the equation down to keys, people aren't keys. Your logic is flawed (we cant be broken down that easy). You may think I'm a troll, but I'm not not. Think, for a second what you are spouting...

Your a troll. Terrible one at that.

Call me a troll, but can't back your case? Who is the troll here? one second, dog, this d00d a troll? She pants, you're the troll. Back up your arguments. Self project much?

I have already backed up what I've said. Your now trying to derail the issue by claiming I think humans are keys. Every time you type, you just add another level of stupidity. Please I suggest you stop.

You added nothing. Please show me what you said? Sources, examples. That was a quote from you, dumb ass

I'm ending it here.

No worries, got it screenshot and it's going on imgur. I'll be uploading it to here tomorrow. Dumb fuck. Don't try and troll. nighty nighty

There needs to be a serious backlash against the vaccine industrial complex. Look at all the stunts they have pulled just in the last 6 months.

CDCwhistleblower

Ebola Hoax

Disneyland Measles Hoax

Astro-turf pro-vaccine facebook rant by relative of vaccine industry operative

I dont think anyone should trust the vaccine industry ever again about anything they have to say. There should be consequences for deception, and one of those consequences is losing your credibility and reputation.

CDC whistleblower was testifying using a retracted study. Which means his evidence is no longer valid.

I think all we can do is counter it with articles about forced sterilizations in U.S. history past and vaccination problems like those in Italy. Freedom of Choice concepts and past questions about additives in various vaccines.