Regardless of whether or not they are intentionally spraying, those trails are pollution. It is jet fuel exhaust it is not just water vapor. If you really want to be sure for yourself and base your decision on evidence, than you should wait for a day of heavy persistent contrails and collect the rain water that will surely follow 2 or 3 days after the trails have made the entire sky a dull white-gray haze.

Test that water and you will find absurd amounts of Aluminum, Barium, and stromium. This has been proven over and over again and you should do it for yourself if you don't believe it. Whether or not it's intentional really shouldn't matter. Here's an interview with an MD that has done these kind of tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lW-TGGlk0

Jet fuel exhaust plus water vapour is what makes a contrail, and they are definitely a form of pollution. A chemtrail would be something more sinister, I think.

Soil samples from underneath older houses that have crawl spaces with corresponding soil samples from the outside of the house.

No need to wonder anymore while you contemplate disinfo and propaganda.

That we are being loaded with toxins and chemicals i totally believe. Can i prove to my own satisfaction that these chemicals are coming from spraying?............that is where i have problems. I just don't feel comfortable anymore basing my opinion on the opinions of others without hard proof to back it up. I am sure this man is a good and honest man, but he is still as fallible as the rest of us. But he may well be right, i do not claim otherwise. I just need more solid evidence.

How much is "absurd amounts"? Have you compared the results to the range that has historically been found in rainfall?

Aluminum, Barium, and stromium.

If I remember correctly this was from a particular experiment that has been called into question a few times.

Most importantly is that those elements are already found in trace levels in the soil

*Strontium

I feel like there is something to the idea that they are spraying (there are confirmed technologies like cloud seeding and other things they've tried in the past) but I feel like the current discussion on chemtrails is full of disinfo and hyperbole.

I really have no idea what to think.

Agreed

Things like this bother me. How do you explain that?

It's an aerodynamic contrail. The KC-10 flight crew member who originally took that video posted it to make fun of "chemtrail" believers, then it got picked up and edited by Tankerenemy.

Speculatively, and this is pure speculation based on what is planned and what has been researched and developed in the past but is denied vehemently to occur in the present day, it would be a result of clandestine geo-engineering and SRM (solar radiation management) using stratospheric aerosols added to jet fuel. Well that, and good old fashioned cloud seeding. Unfortunately, you would have a fair amount of normal contrails misidentified as such, and a plethora of crackpot theories surrounding them used to discredit anyone who addresses this type of black / special access project and research.

There seem to be plenty of patents on geoengineering spraying. And plenty of lab tests of rain water collected after spraying.

I know. Those lab tests really cinched it for me. It was only when i looked at the way the tests were carried out and the way the data was mis-represented that i began to question them. But good point.

the way the tests were carried out and the way the data was mis-represented

I'm not really sure how you carry out collecting rain water wrong. Maybe using a dirty cup...As far as mis-representing the data, everywhere I looked had a scan of the actual lab results.

You sound pretty dismissive about that. If you want to know for sure you could reproduce the test under your own guidelines.

Let me clarify. I generally hate (really loathe) debunkers because they tend to be ignorant and dismissive without really doing the research. As such i tend to gloss over or ignore their posts and blogs. But when i read this i HAD to stop and think. Do tell me what your take on it is. I do not mean to be dismissive, i am just working to get to the truth (just like you). https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-shasta-snow-and-water-aluminum-tests.137/

There have been many tests by many people. The debunking site you linked does not account for dissipation. Most tests I have seen are done on rain water following noted heavy trails. This would be the only test method that makes sense.

Could you post a link or two and i will have an open-minded look?

Also, let me remind you that my only point of contention here is whether we are being sprayed by planes. I do not question that we are being poisoned daily. Only where the toxins are coming from.

I'm with you 100% on this one. However, I only made this reply to pat you on the back for a well worded post. If people adopted your approach to posting here this site would be totally different! Thanks for keep'in it real.

Thx :)

OK I'm going to call you out now. What about the wording of the post did it for you? He never said what his position or opinion is. He merely said very generally that he thinks " it is POSSIBLE that we may be wrong on this one" but never said what opinion he had to begin with. There is no opinion. the subject matter is vague. It's all vague and OP doesn't actually say anything or present any evidence of anything at all. What are you agreeing 100% on? Do you even know?

The manner in which he asked. The attitude... not arrogant or pompous or argumentative. Thats it. Why you read anything negative or devious or even ignorant in my complement is beyond me.

Well you're right, it wasn't pompous or argumentative but he basically threw in the towel, said he was wrong... but not what he was wrong about. It was such a general proclamation I'm surprised it got anyone's support at all.

Haha this is funny, I have also been a confirmed conspiracy theorist for years, but I've never believed in chemtrails. I've seen the lines in the sky before but never really paid any attention. Only last week did I come around to the idea. I woke up to an absolutely beautiful clear blue sky, and I decided to go run some errands. On the drive to the grocery store, I noticed a plane flying overhead with a fine, thick line of 'exhaust' coming out its rear. Over the course of the five minute trip, this 'contrail' spread out into a perfect ribbon of mist. It kind of piqued my interest. I parked and went into the store, and was in there for maybe half an hour. When I came out, there were literally a dozen plus new ribbons crisscrossing the sky. The realization that these were chemtrails kind of stunned me. It was like having cold water splashed on my face. I actually took a picture of a couple of the trails, and caught one of the planes circling back around:

http://i.imgur.com/OHSKZj0.jpg?1

It's hard to tell in tell in the picture, but it's not a jet and it's not a passenger plane; it's a cargo plane. I went home and made lunch, and within about an hour, the beautiful crystal clear sky had been completely overtaken by a thin haze. Not clouds. Haze. I'm convinced. I don't know what exactly they are spraying, but they are spraying something.

I could be totally wrong (or could have been right when i believed in them). I was just blown away when i really examined the evidence. Imho none of it stands up to scrutiny. You may well be right.

Check out this video.

On July 15th, 2014, citizens from Northern California rallied to create the largest attendance ever at the Shasta County Supervisors chambers (400+, chairman Les Baugh confirmed this attendance record at the start of the meeting). The primary purpose of this meeting was to present information that proves there is a very dire heavy metal contamination and UV radiation issue across the Shasta County region (and the world). A list of 10 experts presented data to the board to confirm the legitimacy of the concerns being addressed. At the end of the presentation, the board voted unanimously to investigate the heavy metal contamination and passed resolutions accordingly.

Evidence for what exactly?

Cloud seeding is not a secret nor are radio-boosting sprays.

Is there something very specific you don't believe or do you truly think these technologies are fictional?

I dont understand why, because some planes left contrails, you suddenly think these are chemtrails?

Did you look the aircraft up on any free flight tracking app? Its clearly not a military plane, you can easily identify what aircraft it is and what it does. So what if its a cargo plane? Do you know how many cargo aircraft there are transporting mail etc? I'd like to see you guys doing the slightest bit of research and telling us the flight or tail number of these aircraft! Its very easy!

The fact that this was enough to convince you, shows what a shoddy conspiracy theory this truly is.

To me, this is the same thing as building 7. You can tell me what I'm supposed to see all you want, but I trust my own eyes. I know what a contrail looks like, and these aren't contrails. As I said, I don't know what they're spraying, but they're spraying something.

Well, you don't know what a contrail looks like under every condition. Thats like saying you know what a cloud looks like. I know I see interesting and different formations of clouds frequently.

You can tell me what I'm supposed to see all you want, but I trust my own eyes

Exactly, That's why I don't listen to those dirty shills who say things like "Oh science tells us the earth revolves around the sun" or "Whales evolved from land mammals!". Bullshit! The sun rises and falls around us and whales live in the goddamn water. I trust my own eyes!

They say things like "a single persons perspective is inherently flawed and subject to their bias and amount of knowledge" and that I should "understand that scientific progress comes from a deeper analysis of cumulative knowledge that sometimes defies initial perception". That's shill talk! The only true path to truth is stubbornly rejecting any evidence that contradicts your initial perceptions.

Wow. Masterful sarcasm and straw man in a single comment. Well done.

Dude, I'm on your side! Those dirty shills can't trick us with their "science". I look at the sky and say "those clouds look bad". I know I'm right, those science-dicks can't tell me otherwise.

I see a contrail slowly turn into a cloud. Obviously this is evidence that the NWO is finally coming for us. But then some asshole says "actually, contrails can work as an unintentional means of encouraging cloud formation, as supercooled water vapour in the atmosphere requires a trigger (engine exhaust) to freeze. Which is why contrails can spread into clouds resembling Cirrus or Cirrostratus from time to time, when the conditions are right". We both know that's mumbo-jumbo. I mean, meteorologists are all a bunch of shills. Every single one of them. When I talk about the criss-crossing patterns, they brush it off with "because planes go different directions and try to stay out of each-others contrails" and then go on about how chemtrails theories require the cooperation of millions of people around the entire planet with no whistleblowers to speak of. Good thing we see through their crap.

And with building 7, I obviously know it was a controlled demolition. You know how? Because I watched hundreds of controlled demolitions and every. single. building. fell down. What happened to building 7? It Fucking Fell Down. Any further analysis is evidence of a cover-up. Sure, there were no sounds of explosives and no access to structural columns before hand, but we all know that it fell because of those charges that I saw on season 2 of Breaking Bad.

Oh, wow. I'm starting to sweat here. Um...The Pentagon was hit by a missile, not a plane. 3...2...1... Go!

Um...The Pentagon was hit by a missile, not a plane. 3...2...1... Go!

Well, obviously. Just as yourself this simple question... who has missiles?

That's Right

Fuck. They told me this sub was chock full of anti-Semites; I should have listened.

I knew you were a shill. I hope the price you got for your soul was worth it.

Well, if I don't keep my shill game tight they stop overlooking all those, ahem, 'dark web' sites I allegedly accessed when I was stationed at Eglin AFB. So...

Its very sad it seems shill are traid in psychological manipulation. Yahweh is the truth. For instance when the messiah told the apostles that if a poisonous viper bit them they would not be harmed. If the truth is in you, false doctrine and lies will not fool you.

I haven't seen anything that's convinced me, thus far, that the chemtrail conspiracy is a real phenomenon, and in the absence of hard evidence, I am inclined to think that the cost, logistics (and risks) that would be necessary for widespread chemtrailing by commercial airlines, don't seem to confer obvious benefits to those airlines, their employees, or any other specific group (eg the global elite). After all, we breathe the same air and eat the same agricultural products.

There are much more cost-effective and better targeted ways of poisoning populations, if that is your objective.

At the same time, I acknowledge that this is not an issue I am particularly engaged in, and so I haven't looked into it as deeply as many other conspiracy theories. I am therefore keeping an open mind.

I truly don't follow this subject and have no evidence one way or another, so take this FWIW.

What are they spraying? I assume some sort of liquid? How much would be required to be effective? That's a lot of extra weight on takeoff, something airlines hate. Because every pound consumes more expensive fuel.

Where is it being injected? The jet engines? Aircraft engineers are not absolutely perfect but they certainly are obsessive about reliability. An extra system which did not help generate thrust, and could potentially foul the engine, would be pretty much a non-starter.

I would think airplane mechanics would be discussing such systems. They're in airports all over the world. I can't imaging that every single one of them has been successfully sworn to silence. There are plenty of cynical mechanics out there, with plenty of stories about fucked up systems and work performed by other... less-skilled... mechanics. If there were superfluous systems tacked onto jet engines I can only imagine they would have snarked about it by now.

I'm not saying yea or nay on the subject, just speculating about the likelihood.

Nice answer

One of the most fascinating fact was from a PBS Nova about pollution in the atmosphere interfering with weather pattern, it was called "The Dimming Sun". They had a part about the days after 9/11 and noticed that since there was no-planes flying they saw an increase 2 or 3 degrees in temperature. This is what made me realize what they really intended with chemtrails. I came to the conclusion that they are trying to mask the effect of global warming. I came to the US in 95 and I remember this was the first time I had seen a chemtrail as I thought the airplane was in distress.

So you think geo engineering is a lie?

No, i think that there are thousands of scientists out there who are terrified of global warming/climate change dying to spray us, and would and could do it at the drop of a hat. But can i prove to another person with any credible evidence that the trails we are seeing now are chemicals being sprayed ? No.

Trying to tie the really serious issue of geoengineering with so-called 'chemtrails' is as pathetic as it is deceptive. Geoengineering trials are taking place every day and none of the chemtrail believers are interested in stopping it. They sit there posting photos of the sky and agreeing it's "Disgusting" while the dangers of geoengineering go on unchallenged because they are all looking in the wrong fucking place. Geoengineering, with the barium and the sulphides and stuff, is being experimented on in the Stratosphere at 80,000 feet where you can't see it. That's why it's called Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal. It's only experimental at the moment; small payloads of reflectants carried up by balloons and rockets. But there are people who want to seriously mess with the weather. Any attempt to mess with the atmosphere will have serious and unexpected consequences. Forget about Chemtrails, THAT is where the threat to the planet is happening. Contrails coming off airliners - so-called 'Chemtrails' - happen at half the altitude of Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal at 25 - 40,000 feet in the Troposphere. They are not part of any geoengineering scheme and they've been happening ever since man was claver enough to fly high enough, in 1922.

Has anybody tested the actual vapors in the trails? Like, have they sent up a balloon to capture the actual samples and run it through a spectrometer (or whatever device would be best for testing)? This wouldn't be very hard or expensive. Until that is done by an independent lab and peer reviewed I'm not going to buy into any of it.

Just went to Costa Rica and did not see one trail of any kind for two weeks. Flying back to the states saw an aircraft exhaust come on then go off. atmospheric conditions?

According to pilots, yes. They do know a ton about atmospheric conditions, but they could also be wrong. I, on the other hand, am just struggling to get to the bottom of it.

I was a air traffic controller in the Air Force and we had to learn when the contrails would show up and usually contrails were above 25k feet. they would show up and then dissipate, not become big fat clouds

...but they are cloud. And if its windy they will spread out, like clouds do.

Why exactly would these 'chemicals' be any different to water vapour that would cause them to spread out and water to not.

Then how do you explain all of the old books, articles, and other documents that say that contrails can persist for hours? Such as this report from 1961 that states "Contraiis consisting of ice particles, the more common situation, will persist for hours if environmental conditions exceed ice saturation i. e., exceed ambient relative humidities of approximately 60 to 70%."

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/692117.pdf

I was in Germany

I was in Germany

Na und?

Now THAT is interesting. Thanks. Why the hell do experienced pilots the claim they are normal? I don't get it. So you are convinced they are spraying?

Sheeps come in all different shapes and professions. That's why you have to be your own expert sometimes. Tiring, but you learn something new!

I was on a plane at cruising altitude. No trails from the passenger plane I was on. And at a distance saw a different looking plane leaving a thickish undeniable trail. Why did another one leave a trail and mine did not? Different engines? Weirded me out.

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Thank you for diving in and posting. I, for one, appreciate your input. It is valid and interesting, at least to me. Maybe through little tid-bits of information like this we can put together a picture of what is really going on.

Chemtrailz is a buzzword. Geoengineering is real.

http://lae.mit.edu/geoengineering-seminars/

I was not debating semantics. But thanks.

Sorry, was just being short. I'm not convinced it's necessarily mixed into jet fuel, or even visible, or in full deployment. I think that climate change has a lot more to do with solar rather than manmade activity, and reflective aerosols are being looked at because as our magnetosphere shrinks, solar irradiance increases. I'm also of the opinion that we are about to head into a grand solar minimum because of this.

Killer answer. Thank you so much for taking the time to rectify. Means so much when there are so many trolls out there. I am impressed.

It's not a theory anymore, it's a fact: http://news.yahoo.com/fed-report-time-examine-purposely-cooling-planet-idea-160034780.html

See, that sort of thing convinced me too, but upon careful reading i note that they are talking about an idea, something they could, might, want to do. Not what they are doing now. There are so many articles like this being touted as proof that they are spraying, and yet none of them actually do (or none which can be proven). Once again, i could well be wrong. That's why i write it here. To see your guys' responses.

Bang on. I've never put stock in contrails. A lot of the conspiracies posted here are fake, or just play on the laypersons lack of understanding around certain topics.

For a community that prides itself on 'being aware' I tend to find more 'sheeple' here there anywhere else. I was well into all the conspiracies (and I still think 9/11 was a false flag because... Well obviously) but as soon as you start to actually look at the research and think about it logically you realise how much of it is bullshit.

As both a pilot and a meteorology minor, I have always had a really hard time with the whole chem-trail thing. I'm not saying it is impossible, but honestly I just don't see a ton of evidence for it. Who knows though, maybe I'm wrong...

Perfectly said. Exactly how i feel. Thanks.

Why is it that every commercial plane, the ones with the big logos on them, that i see go by never leave a contail but the plain white ones or flat dark ones do and at times what they spray makes a "falling trail". You say planes make contrails then how come only specific ones do.

It likely seems that way to you because if they're close enough for you to make out the logos, they're not high up enough to be leaving contrails.

I use binoculars also....Btw the planes whith logos on them are evident no matter how high they are because of the colors.. If you cant notice a united airline plane over head looking like superman all red and blue...maybe you're color blind..? Is it really the new motis operandi to just give a slide responce to someone noting the difference of planes that they cant be sure of their eyes....

Hey, you're the one who said you couldn't see planes with commercial livery leaving trails. Other people don't seem to have the same problem. Planespotters sometimes use telephoto lenses to capture nice pictures of them, for example:

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Here in Nevada its white planes and military looking cargo planes i can share a vid yesterday me and my wife were walking and i recorded a fat trail being layed but one with a substance that created a falling pattern crazy shit the plane did a big circle and swooped right over ours and the babys heads litterally hella low, we started joging away it was really creepy....

After going back and forth on this issue, I think I've come down on the spraying taking place, but it is being done to stabilize the climate and bolster the atmosphere's ability to shield us from solar radiation.

I think the nuke tests of the 50's and 60's punched more holes in the ionosphere than were sustainable, and they didn't resolve themselves at the speed that was expected. I think the ionosphere is too high up to work appropriately, so instead the lower atmosphere is being seeded to create a higher albedo level.

I believe this is why the revelations showing up even in the MSM (briefly) about the spraying that is going on; anyone else notice that the MSM seemed to reverse it's position about chemtrails once it was revealed that the sun is actually entering a period of quiet instead of the expected CME heavy solar maximum?

I think that data predicing a solar maximum has been around for some time and an action plan was created and funded to passively counteract the expected effects of one massive or several smaller earth facing CME's.

A very well thought out and well explained opinion. You may well be right but i hope you aren't. It would have been a very poor decision imho.

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You seriously just dismissed GMO as something that camt be proven....

You seriously just dismissed GMO as something that camt be proven....

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How is GMO not as evident as JFK??? Im with you when it comes to Greys(the alistor Crowley demon represented as an alien now...) Lizard people and such things. Since when does the entity involved in the conspiracy have to come out and validate it. Have some faith an ad not like a christian because the bible says "Faith is the EVIDENCE of things yet to be seen and the substance of things hoped for" If you have Evidence then your faith is real.

This is theory I ignore for the most part just because it's almost impossible to prove and doesn't have a large amount of political ramifications

Fair enough.

I've never really got into the chem-trail thing. There seems to be several points of view on it too, between, pollution, government poisoning, and geo-engineering, it seems like a blanket of several conspiracies. None of which interested me too much to look into them very deep.

What you call chemtrails I call geoengineering, for which there is no room to debate. As noted there is a fair bit to it, however why should you be so quick to dismiss it? Do you not want to know what chemicals they're using to manipulate the weather? If this isn't a bad thing, why can't we know what chemicals they are using to do it, or to what extent. Why is the formula used a "matter of national security" when FOIA'd.

As per the acknowledged side effects: Side effects

The techniques themselves may cause significant foreseen or unforeseen harm. For example, the use of reflective balloons may result in significant litter,[65] which may be harmful to wildlife.

Ozone depletion is a risk of some geoengineering techniques, notably those involving sulfur delivery into the stratosphere.[66]

The active nature of geoengineering may in some cases create a clear division between winners and losers. Most of the proposed interventions are regional, such as albedo modification in the Arctic.[67]

There may be unintended climatic consequences, such as changes to the hydrological cycle[68] including droughts[69] or floods, caused by the geoengineering techniques, but possibly not predicted by the models used to plan them.[70] Such effects may be cumulative or chaotic in nature, making prediction and control very difficult.[71]

Not all side effects are negative, and an increase in agricultural productivity has been predicted by some studies.[72]

You're dismissing an issue because of a weaponized term, and that's... well ignorant.

There is always room to debate.

Then show how you came to your conclusions that chemtrails aren't a thing, when science says that it's part of geoengineering and weather manipulation.

'Chemtrails the conspiracy theory' is a pretty loose concept, when it's an actual pursuit.

All of those things you pasted from the Wiki page have to do with the potential effects of proposed, future geoengineering. It does not say that it's happening now.

Uhh... It's has been happening for decades...

But don't take my word for it.

Weather modification (i.e. cloud seeding) has been going on for decades. But cloud seeding doesn't cause those trails in the sky, and it's not equivalent to geoengineering. It involves the release of materials (usually silver iodide) into existing storm clouds to induce or enhance precipitation.

Not exclusively. Consider the method the Chinese used in the '40s. They'd fire the aluminum and silver oxide artillery rounds into a clear sky, and cause cloud formation.

That method is inefficient. The method of chemtrailing is more effective, in that if you've ever noticed, some contrails become fluffy, hazy clouds. That's not normal, if you actually watch contrails regularly, as I do. Living so close to THE busiest passenger airport(at least as of 1998), a major USAF ARB, and 4 smaller airports, you start to notice which contrails dissipate and which do not.

Also: If you actually watch flight radars, you start to notice there is no small number of passenger airlines with "restricted" for the information, which indicates they aren't civil.

Chinese used in the '40s. They'd fire the aluminum and silver oxide artillery rounds into a clear sky, and cause cloud formation.

Do you have a source for this? It's not in the GSW page you linked.

The method of chemtrailing is more effective, in that if you've ever noticed, some contrails become fluffy, hazy clouds. That's not normal, if you actually watch contrails regularly, as I do.

But it is normal, if you look into historical documentation. It's been documented for as long as there has been high-altitude air travel, in everything from books and pictures to the scientific literature.

The GEW page cites mostly American innovations, sadly. Also, excuse me, 1958

For your consideration:

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The GEW page cites mostly American innovations, sadly. Also, excuse me, 1958

That link also does not contain any information about China using artillery rounds to create clouds in clear skies, or using aluminum in their weather mod activities. It describes the sort of activities I talked about earlier, none of which are equivalent to geoengineering.

Geoengineering is defined as "the deliberate and large-scale intervention in the Earth’s climatic system with the aim of reducing global warming." That's not the same thing as cloud seeding for local weather modification.

The Chinese used cloud seeding extensively during the Beijing Olympics to try to clear the smog. It's a well-known technique that involves spraying substances like silver iodide and common builders cement into rain clouds. It was first developed by the Americans during the Vietnam War as a way to hamper the communists by extending the monsoons and flooding the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Yes, I know about cloud seeding (see my earlier post above). It actually predates the Vietnam War by a couple of decades. But Xizithei claims that the Chinese had a technique where they would "fire the aluminum and silver oxide artillery rounds into a clear sky, and cause cloud formation." That would be quite different.

It is impossible, if you think about it, to prove that something doesn't exist. Only possible to prove it does. All i stated was that i am unable to find solid proof that we are being sprayed with what are commonly called "chemtrails". Science does NOT say that we are being sprayed with these chemicals. I did not argue that geoengineering does not exist. I am not talking about cloud seeding. I am talking about the almost daily spraying of chemicals from planes over populated areas. As i used to do, you are not reading the material before using it. It does not say that this is happening.

science says that it's part of geoengineering

No it doesn't. Science says contrails are simply ice crystals. Geoengineering is real, but none of the patents and projects for it involve laying 200-mile-long trails of stuff in criss cross pasterns across clear blue skies.

There is always room to debate.

Well you're right, it wasn't pompous or argumentative but he basically threw in the towel, said he was wrong... but not what he was wrong about. It was such a general proclamation I'm surprised it got anyone's support at all.

Well, you don't know what a contrail looks like under every condition. Thats like saying you know what a cloud looks like. I know I see interesting and different formations of clouds frequently.

You can tell me what I'm supposed to see all you want, but I trust my own eyes

Exactly, That's why I don't listen to those dirty shills who say things like "Oh science tells us the earth revolves around the sun" or "Whales evolved from land mammals!". Bullshit! The sun rises and falls around us and whales live in the goddamn water. I trust my own eyes!

They say things like "a single persons perspective is inherently flawed and subject to their bias and amount of knowledge" and that I should "understand that scientific progress comes from a deeper analysis of cumulative knowledge that sometimes defies initial perception". That's shill talk! The only true path to truth is stubbornly rejecting any evidence that contradicts your initial perceptions.

How is GMO not as evident as JFK??? Im with you when it comes to Greys(the alistor Crowley demon represented as an alien now...) Lizard people and such things. Since when does the entity involved in the conspiracy have to come out and validate it. Have some faith an ad not like a christian because the bible says "Faith is the EVIDENCE of things yet to be seen and the substance of things hoped for" If you have Evidence then your faith is real.