It won't happen on a physical level first.

That which is above is like that which is below ; and that which below is like that which is above.

You know the meaning of this axiom.

In order for change to occur it must to occur on a a level of consciousness. After that, the dominoes will fall in order, the puzzle will be complete.

As simple as it sounds, it is going to to be difficult. Most people don't want to wake up, because it's tough realizing nearly everything you had thought truth, are either down right lies, or based off of them. It SO much easier to be ignorant. Because you aren't really responsible. For anything or yourself.

Here's the thing. When this event happens, and it will, since human beings are basically receptors for energy, everyone will become awake. What happens if you get shocked and you touch someone? They get shocked too.

Every living thing on earth ATM is linked together on a conscious level, a chemical, an atomic, and a physical one.

It's already happening, though. Like a snowball collecting snow as it rolls down a hill, this energy is gaining momentum.

This will play out in our lifetime. There is no doubt in my mind.

Once people learn the truth on their own terms there will be no other option but to move forward. Ever forward.

Yeah, I kind of agree with this. Sometimes I think the first person to realize this was Eckhart Tolle, when he quit his job as a professor to live as nothing, just to always be in the moment. Now he is a popular pseudo-philosopher and potential spiritual leader.

I wish I knew why the changes in society, good and bad occur. Like why we go from being ok with a dictator to believing we need a full on revolution. Sometimes I wonder if as sensing beings we're incapable of perceiving change on a big scale if it doesn't directly relate to the five senses. In the same way that a fly cannot perceive the glass of a window it's trying to fly through, or the old myth of someone thinking they're on an island when in fact they're on an ancient turtles back. The forces that determine our futures feel like they're moving and changing. But who knows, maybe humanities awareness of how terrible things are is actually causing some kind of global resonance and forcing change for everyone, like you're saying.

Your comment speaks to one thing that I feel like we really need to learn as humans. We think we're super smart because we have self-awareness, but we need to become self-aware as a species and recognize we are all interconnected.

There were ascetics from all sorts of different religions and schools thousands of years before Tolle was even a twinkle in his papa's eye.

Good point, I didn't think about that.

I'll still celebrate tolle though, because he gets a lot of pop-culture recognition. He has done well to get regular folk following his own practices which has the potential to influence an awakening in those participants.

I agree. A conscious shift in thinking for humanity.

Calm down. Relax. Don't panic. Don't forget your towel. Hi, I'm here to help ya through this process, i know it's shocking at first, but we have learnt to manage this situation well concidering all circumstances. Now take a moment to listen to those even wiser than I, and you will see there's no need to be so worked up. We got this =)

Never, ever convince yourself that you know what is going on.

There is always another layer. We must never stop digging.

You mean climbing.

What? "We got this?" Who is "we"? From the looks of this, "we" ain't got shit. Seriously.

I fully agree with and advocate keeping a level head, but we really DO need fire. We really DO need to get our asses up and DO something about the fact that we haven't been doing shit - or at least enough - to keep TPTB from taking us further and further down the shit hole. This is truth.

Me personally? I'm not mad. I'm calm. And I'm very calmly saying "We need to DO something about the fact that we are going down the fucking shitter."

Cannot agree more, sir. Nothing wrong with aggression. Hell, nothing wrong with great rage. The key is to channel that energy constructively toward - among other things - all of us putting down the racism, prejudices, and antagonisms that have had, from birth, brainwashed and indoctrinated into us. We need to put them down and come together as the ONE HUMAN FAMILY which we indeed all are. If we do this and ALL support each other independent of creed, class, race, color, etc, etc, TPTB will not have the power that we currently GIVE them.

facepalm. Very frustrating...

The masses don't want to take full responsibility for themselves and thus actually want a system/government that limits their freedoms.

Exactly this, unfortunately. We don't want to take responsibility for things, and then wonder why those very few who are willing to end up using it to their advantage and our disadvantage. Well, it's because we let them! We let them by handing over the reigns of power to them - reigns that WE OURSELVES need to be responsible enough and disciplined enough to take and guide properly ON OUR OWN.

They are subconsciously looking for parent figures

Exactly this.

it's weird.

Well, the thing is that it DOES take a lot of responsibility to set everything right. With great power comes great responsibility, and setting this entire civilization right is one of the most powerful things that can get done. As such, a lot of just. Don't. Wanna. Work. We don't want to take on that responsibility.

On one level, I can understand this. I'm a lazy bastard in my own way - just like almost all of us are. However, I also know what teamwork can accomplish and am in no way afraid to roll up my sleeves and get to work with everyone toward improving this world if we all but came together. Problem is, we first have to get our MINDS straight before we even have any hope of coming together and getting to work as one species toward the work we would have to do to set this civilization aright.

Lots of steps still needed...

Can I ask that we remove TPTB to TPTW? From Be to Were. I think this would help change the matrix faster. They do the same thing repeat stuff even if it's a lie until it's truth, let's use the same formula.

Can I ask that we remove TPTB to TPTW? From Be to Were.

Hell no, bro. If anything, they are The Powers That ARE - TPTA. I wish it weren't true, but denying it gives them even more power because then we're ignoring their global influence.

I think this would help change the matrix faster.

I think what would help is simply our acknowledging that we are ONE as a people and species and acting upon that.

They do the same thing repeat stuff even if it's a lie until it's truth, let's use the same formula.

Well, what would be even better, however, is to repeat the TRUTH until we all realize we've been told a lie.

WE ARE ONE.

WE ARE ONE.

That's what needs to be repeated and imbued.

Then TPTB will turn into TPTW and it wouldn't be a lie.

And as we are all one, they too are one with us. We all fear the death of our ego; our limited perspective from which we view the world. Thinking that it will be diminished if we accept that we are one when in reality it's the exact opposite. If we realise we are all one, then we realise that we can never truly die, then we can come to realise that TPTB are there for us, because it affords us the opportunity to have this experience and to recover the power that allows you the ability to create new realities through your actions.

And as we are all one, they too are one with us.

This is correct, profound, and true.

We all fear the death of our ego; our limited perspective from which we view the world.

I bow to your saying this. It is true.

Thinking that it will be diminished if we accept that we are one when in reality it's the exact opposite.

It is only the opposite because of our ignorance and the manipulation around us, however. The more a people acknowledge they are one and work together as such, the stronger they are. Very simple.

If we realise we are all one, then we realise that we can never truly die, then we can come to realise that TPTB are there for us, because it affords us the opportunity to have this experience and to recover the power that allows you the ability to create new realities through your actions.

You are talking about post graduate level theoretical physics here, however, when the vast majority of the human race only understand elementary level arithmetic. I'm trying to take things one step at a time as per the level of development that many of us are at.

That being said, your thoughts are pretty thoroughly imbued in many of the ideas, concepts, and theories/philosophies discussed here.

You are talking about post graduate level theoretical physics here, however, when the vast majority of the human race only understand elementary level arithmetic. I'm trying to take things one step at a time as per the level of development that many of us are in.

I dunno. I think when the truth is told, it can be understood by even a child.

There is only one being. If that being was static, it would have no frame of reference to view any change as being relative to, and subsequently would have no experience. It is only through creating movement towards two polarities that you can allow for the infinite expansion of experience in between. That is what is represented with the Merkabah.

The vibrations of this expansion harmonise at scalar octaves from the macro to the micro, repeating similar patterns in a fractal form. This is the idea behind the saying "as above, so below".

If you think of a Mandelbrot set, imagine the human experience is at the far end of one of the tendrils. We feel extremely removed from the architecture of the whole. We see super structures above us and minuscule structures below us, yet because of how far we are out on the tendril, we are under the illusion that we are separate from the whole. As we understand more, and unify the above and below, we come to realise that although we appear far from the whole, we are undeniably part of it and actually find ourselves blessed to be able to experience such degree of individuality.

So it is that we begin to realise that all elements of the whole are expressed at all points in the geometry. Through that we begin to realise that mind is similarly expressed in the whorls of the fractal. The higher vibrational octaves are expressed, albeit infinitesimally at all points, and by steadying our perspective enough we can access these dimensions within ourself.

So it is that the same expansive force, that drove us outwards towards the illusion of individuality, is the same force that affords us the opportunity to have that relativistic experience of realising just how great this show all is.

Now that's not really in terms that a child could understand as I feel I'm somewhat constrained by attempting to articulate this through text but I hope you get the point.

I think when the truth is told, it can be understood by even a child.

This is what I very much feel as well…and yet, I find that the truth still flies over many people’s heads all the same.

There is only one being.

This is true.

It is only through creating movement towards two polarities that you can allow for the infinite expansion of experience in between.

This seems true too.

The vibrations of this expansion harmonise at scalar octaves from the macro to the micro, repeating similar patterns in a fractal form.

Similar to the concept of the holographic universe.

If you think of a Mandelbrot set, imagine the human experience is at the far end of one of the tendrils.

There is no “far end of one of the tendrils”, for they are all the same depending upon one’s perspective.

We feel extremely removed from the architecture of the whole.

…never realizing that we are one with it.

As we understand more, and unify the above and below, we come to realise that although we appear far from the whole, we are undeniably part of it and actually find ourselves blessed to be able to experience such degree of individuality.

That has one level of significant validity. Another level involves one area of the fractal pushing against another in exertion of a particular will. This is where we seem to find ourselves now. While I do not doubt that this existence is but a tiny spark coming out of the Great Fire, and it will ultimately soon be absorbed back into it, it seems better to make the effort to help that spark shine as brightly and effectively as possible instead of stifling and manipulating it.

It can all be said to be ultimately for naught, however, as it doesn’t matter if one end manipulates another end of The Great Fire. Every end is ultimately going right back into It and becoming one with It eventually anyway.

The Great Fire, it seems, posed a question to Itself: Is it better to remain The Great Fire only and that’s it? or might it not be a bad idea to splinter myself off into countless little sparks all struggling amongst each other in a wilds and often ignorant play toward eventual Oneness? sparks that can slowly develop and evolve from ignorance to an awareness and understanding of what they always were in the first place - The One Great Fire?

If you look at things from the perspective of The Great Fire, then, it ultimately matters not what happens to any one, individual spark created. If you look at it from the perspective of any one, individual spark, however, then one might not mind continuing the charade of separation and continuing on growing in brightness until it eventually know itself as The One Great Fire.

So it is that we begin to realise that all elements of the whole are expressed at all points in the geometry.

Indeed. The cosmos is nonlocal and holographic.

The higher vibrational octaves are expressed, albeit infinitesimally at all points, and by steadying our perspective enough we can access these dimensions within ourself.

This is, again, correct.

I hope you get the point.

There is ultimately nothing you said that I am in disagreement with, sir.

(I almost feel like I was having a conversation with myself, actually. Very strange and refreshing I found it, to find someone with as similar a perspective as my own.)

I almost feel like I was having a conversation with myself, actually.

You are ;)

Yes. Well-said. I meant this in more than just the Cosmic Oneness sense, however. I meant it in more of a physical, third dimensional one. :)

Yeah I know. It was just there ripe for the picking.

The more we share these ideas, the easier they will become for other people to access them. The simple act of us thinking these thoughts, creates some artifactual harmonisation within the field which will then allow others to access these memes from the collective subconscious.

I find it is becoming increasingly easier to share these ideas and that people from all different backgrounds and experiences are able to find some element of truth in them. That in turn creates a feedforward mechanism which accelerates the process further. I don't know what kind of critical mass needs to be achieved but I'd imagine it's some kind of exponential function and not simply the 51% tipping point of a see-saw.

The more we share these ideas, the easier they will become for other people to access them.

…prodding on the collective unconscious toward greater, deeper understanding.

The simple act of us thinking these thoughts, creates some artifactual harmonisation within the field which will then allow others to access these memes from the collective subconscious.

Agreed…saying similar things again.

That in turn creates a feedforward mechanism which accelerates the process further.

A “feedbackforward” loop. I like it.

I don't know what kind of critical mass needs to be achieved but I'd imagine it's some kind of exponential function and not simply the 51% tipping point of a see-saw.

“Exponential functions” whooshed over me here, but I would agree that things are indeed a bit more complicated than the 51% tipping point analogy. :)

“Exponential functions” whooshed over me here, but I would agree that things are indeed a bit more complicated than the 51% tipping point analogy. :)

I guess because the lower consciousnesses contain less force than those operating at a higher vibration, they shouldn't be related at a 1:1 equivalency. It's more likely that rather than a straight line (which would create the see-saw), it's an exponential relationship (log10) or something in which 10x3D:1x4D or 100x3D:10x4D:1x5D. In that sense it would only require 10% of the population to achieve critical mass for 4D to become dominant or 1 5D being to raise 100 3D up. They're just random numbers but I hope you get the gist.

A friend showed me a guy Ken Wilber the other day. He talks along a similar line in his integrative theory, citing a figure of ~10%.

I guess because the lower consciousnesses contain less force than those operating at a higher vibration, they shouldn't be related at a 1:1 equivalency.

The force of one, powerful, concentrated entity can do the work of 100 lesser-concentrated souls.

Have known about Wilber for quite a very long time, but must admit that I have only studied him sparingly. I've gravitated more toward the East - Tagore and Vivekananda, among others - than the West.

I only just got made aware of him the other day through a friend. I kind of already knew what he was saying in a way though. I've been piecing my stuff together from an eclectic mix of sources like channeling, Terence, Watts, deep rabbit hole religious/alien stuff rather than anyone in particular.

Never read those guys. Will have to check them out.

Good chat :)

Namaste,

We can only act in large numbers.

The majority of society needs to be motivated to act, but the majority of people are not easy to coax into action. This is a good thing, because once a system is in place humanity and civilization have stability, but it can turn bad quickly once corruption sets in.

I get the feeling there are a large amount of people that want the world to change, but they can't because of the majority. It's like going to work in the morning and having an old car that won't start. You can't get to work until your car is started so you can drive there. There can't be a revolution until the modern average man are motivated into action. They need something to get them there. Just like your car needs a little step on the gas to get started.

The point is, how do we 'step on the gas,' so to speak, in this situation? How do we motivate the masses?

We can only act in large numbers.

I believe what you meant to say is that we can only make large scale (city/state/global) CHANGE in large numbers. We can definitely act in small numbers. We can even act as individuals and, as a matter of fact, SHOULD absolutely act as individuals.

The majority of society needs to be motivated to act

This is agreed.

but the majority of people are not easy to coax into action.

This...is agreed with also.

This is a good thing, because once a system is in place humanity and civilization have stability, but it can turn bad quickly once corruption sets in.

And corruption has most definitely set in. Heck, I'm not sure the system didn't start from a foundation based on corruption actually.

I get the feeling there are a large amount of people that want the world to change, but they can't because of the majority. It's like going to work in the morning and having an old car that won't start. You can't get to work until your car is started so you can drive there. There can't be a revolution until the modern average man are motivated into action.

I feel I understand the sentiment in this statement, and I think that it's definitely a valid one. However, I also feel that if that percentage that really WANT change all got together and acted, then the sheer size of it would motivate many of those who are too scared or lazy, and those people would get up and possibly join in. In other words, what seems needed isn't so much the majority moving forward, but simply a large enough swath of the minority doing so.

They need something to get them there.

And I think the possibility of seeing enough of their brothers and sisters all coming together and doing something might be enough to motivate them.

Just like your car needs a little step on the gas to get started.

Yes. "Motivation", as it were. The OWS movement that literally swept the planet for a spell shows at least an aspect of the very thing I'm talking about. That was a trial run. I know we can do better as a people and citizenry, however.

The point is, how do we 'step on the gas,' so to speak, in this situation?

Those of us who ARE awake and aware and willing to move forward intelligently need to get together and organize intelligent, non-violent but strong-willed demonstrations.

How do we motivate the masses?

By coming together and demonstrating intelligently. I was kind of talking about the importance of demonstrating in an intelligent manner just the other day.

I have a tendency to be unclear and vague in my communication, so thank you for fixing that for me. I enjoyed reading your response.

Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if in fact the united states was founded on corruption. Slavery is a good example that our founding fathers' motives may have been totally unclear. Murals in the capitol of DC are another. Maybe ideas of grandeur? All sorts of behavior relating to narcissistic and self-serving tendencies.

I feel I understand the sentiment in this statement, and I think that it's definitely a valid one. However, I also feel that if that percentage that really WANT change all got together and acted, then the sheer size of it would motivate many of those who are too scared or lazy, and those people would get up and possibly join in. In other words, what seems needed isn't so much the majority moving forward, but simply a large enough swath of the minority doing so.

I like your sentiment better because it's focused on increasing the acceleration of change rather than thinking about how to initiate it. I say that because you're right, the change has already begun with the smaller groups and I really shouldn't downplay them.

I guess my only argument against everything is, "what's the plan?" and that's a hard answer to muster. With limited resources and funding to get a message out, and force people to pay attention, the solution to the problems of influence require a lot of creativity. I don't doubt that it's possible, but I do see the size of the task at hand. Our society is structured in such a way to allow the government to mystify people, and encourage them to support the systems that encourage this. The education system in the united states does a great job to remove people's ability to critically think, unless the person has a natural inclination to on his own. These are systems that have been established over the course of 60 years. They're airtight.

Sometimes I fear our only recourse is to continue questioning everything, and hope that either the corrupted run themselves into the ground, or people start waking up.

EDIT::: I think after reading a bit more of this thread I realize that it's not good to be doubtful of a cause that only aims to improve regardless of the 'how'... so I think you've already responded to my argument about how to proceed. Just gotta keep movin'. Keep workin'.

Although, now I wonder about my idea of 'needing a plan.' Stay with me here, I might be thinking out loud and I'm not sure if this is gonna come off clearly. Is the idea of 'needing a plan' propaganda? Like it's an implied necessity from our respected 'leaders' to be successful, but all it does is prevent people from thinking they can live without a structured government because our government is supposed to create those plans for us. Have people forgotton that they can act without a plan? It might be a bad idea in some instances, but not always. But if that's what the majority of people think deep down inside, then it would explain why those that feel helpless feel that way, they've forgotten it's possible to think on their own.

I have a tendency to be unclear and vague in my communication

Well, at least you acknowledged it here, sir. That’s a sign of awareness, and awareness paves the road toward understanding, development, and growth.

Slavery is a good example that our founding fathers' motives may have been totally unclear.

Correct. Many so often shower our “founding fathers” with such adulation and nostalgic praise, and my response tends to usually be “Um…excuse me, but do you remember what these ‘founding fathers’ actually did? They slaughtered the millions of indigenous people already on the land, and then went to Africa and enslaved more millions there!” wtf? smh

Murals in the capitol of DC are another. Maybe ideas of grandeur? All sorts of behavior relating to narcissistic and self-serving tendencies.

Are they similar to the craziness in the murals at the Colorado airport?

I like your sentiment better because it's focused on increasing the acceleration of change rather than thinking about how to initiate it.

Yes. I wouldn’t necessarily want us to act “Only when we’re 1000% absolutely ready.” because if that’s the case, then we may never likely ever act and we’ll be waiting for that “perfect moment” all the way to internment/death camps.

We should wait until we’re ready enough…and I think we’re really not too far from that, if not almost upon that time already.

I guess my only argument against everything is, "what's the plan?" and that's a hard answer to muster.

I personally think it’s an extremely easy answer to muster and come up with. It’s that it’s apparently not easy to actually execute for many, unfortunately. And what’s the answer? The answer, as I’ve stated before, is for each and every one of us to put away the petty, indoctrinated racism and prejudices that have been brainwashed into us from birth, and come together as the ONE HUMAN FAMILY which we indeed all are. We need support and cooperation between and amongst one another. We get that, and we don’t need the enslaving paradigm of money and fiat currency that keeps us as a species beholden to those who create money these abstract nothings that we most definitely do NOT NEED in order to survive and thrive. Indeed money is one of the main things that actually gets in the way of our thriving like we could and should.

With limited resources and funding to get a message out, and force people to pay attention, the solution to the problems of influence require a lot of creativity.

And we have more creativity by far than all the money in the world. The money is nothing. The creativity and willingness to act and move forward is everything.

I don't doubt that it's possible, but I do see the size of the task at hand.

It’s certainly a large and formidable one. Bit by bit, I feel we could definitely and absolutely conquer it.

Our society is structured in such a way to allow the government to mystify people, and encourage them to support the systems that encourage this.

This is 100% true, unfortunately. We have come to depend on it - not on each other.

These are systems that have been established over the course of 60 years many, many generations. They're airtight.

ftfy

Sometimes I fear our only recourse is to continue questioning everything, and hope that either the corrupted run themselves into the ground, or people start waking up.

I think questioning is certainly part of it, but I also feel that each and every one of us as individuals taking at least baby steps toward doing whatever we can to BE part of the change we wish to see in the world is a pretty good step in the right direction too. Eventually, as more and more of us all continue to simply act on our own to do good and be good, there will be a point upon which this general modus operandi amongst the citizens reaches a point of critical mass, and a significant enough portion of the society will at that point all be moving in the proper direction and acting together toward the goal of improvement, etc.

This is all good and well, but what I just described above is, admittedly, a passive approach that TPTB themselves see happening, and they work diligently to covertly manipulate and sway this movement away from evolving. This is the reason why we as a citizenry need to take this slow, percolating, natural progression toward evolving, and become more conscious of it - quicken it, so to speak - so that we can begin to take a greater hold of that evolving energy that TPTB continue to bend back toward darkness and enslavement.

I think you've already responded to my argument about how to proceed. Just gotta keep movin'. Keep workin'.

Yes sir. Indeed. That’s definitely part of it.

Is the idea of 'needing a plan' propaganda? Like it's an implied necessity from our respected 'leaders' to be successful, but all it does is prevent people from thinking they can live without a structured government because our government is supposed to create those plans for us.

Exactly. Very well said, sir! And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a pretty darn clear example of a person who is showing some serious critical thinking skills!

Ultimately, and as per what you just said here, it seems that it’s not a bad idea for everyone as individuals to simply do as MUCH as they can to, again, be the change they wish to see in the world. You want this world to be harmonious, and balanced, and “free” and just? Then YOU need to work hard at being harmonious and balanced and free and just. You think there’s too much racism in the world? Then YOU need to make sure that when you think and talk and walk the streets everyday, etc, that you treat and react to your fellow human beings as the brothers and sisters that you complain others don’t see one another as being.

BE the change you wish to see in the world. Simple as that.

As we all start imbuing this ideology more and more into our lives, then, like I said above, a critical mass awakening will continue (as is, perhaps, already slowly beginning to happen a bit).

Have people forgotton that they can act without a [structured, organized, and collective] plan?

Yes. Many of us have. Many of us have indeed thought that - ”Well, if we’re not ALL doing it together, then I as an individual don’t need to do shit”.

Wrong. It’s almost the opposite of that to an extent. Whatever plan that might exist collectively almost can’t even get off the ground en mass until each and every individual begins as thinking about what they can do to help this new paradigm move forward.

All very, very good thoughts you imparted here, sir. Thank you.

Cheers,

If you can't see we got this, then you can't see me o.o; Ppl here and abroad are doing something everyday. How many woke up to the cia's "simulation" that mimiced 9/11 this week? See? I did something, I helped 50 ppl min see a lil more clearly. We're doing something, but this beast we face isn't brought down in a day. Rome wasn't built, nor did she fall, in a day.

dved for off topic, no doubt e.e How do my fans ever sleep? >.>

If you can't see we got this, then you can't see me

And well...I can't see you - literally or metaphorically actually.

Ppl here and abroad are doing something everyday.

Certainly - as am I as well.

None of it has been anywhere near enough, however. Not for millennia.

How many woke up to the cia's "simulation" that mimiced 9/11 this week?

Sorry, man. Don't know what you're talking about w/that one. You'll have to ELI5 on it, cuz that one whooshed over me. (no /s).

See? I did something, I helped 50 ppl min see a lil more clearly.

Oh and that's a wonderful thing, to be sure. No doubt and most definitely. However, it's one thing for you and/or me and/or others to help people "see a little more clearly" and quite another for all of us to come together in the way we will all need to in order to put a stop to the machine.

We're doing something, but this beast we face isn't brought down in a day.

Yes. Absolutely. Agreed. I certainly understand that. However, DO NOT count your chickens before they're hatched! It's no "certainty" whatsoever that "we got this". Hell, we may NOT "got this". We haven't "gotten this" in the entire known history of the human race. We've been a ruled and subjugated species from day one. To just "know" that "we got this" is not by any means living in the reality that's taken place for us here on this planet.

Rome wasn't built, nor did she fall, in a day.

Yeah, but when Rome DID fall, then America was built up...and look where we are now. So when America falls, will we all celebrate only to end up having another Rome or America come up after it soon enough?

The issues and problems on this planet are cyclical and endemic.

I don't mean to sound harsh or like I'm fighting with you per se because I'm not. We are definitely on the same team, I feel. I'm just saying that - as much as we both seem to be about improvement and helping us as a species, etc - I think taking a "Don't worry, it'll all be okay" attitude won't necessarily help us move toward a better civilization than the very draconian, manipulative one we have now.

I took it as he was saying "welcome to the club", like, breathe and relax before going ape shit and buying survival/gold and planning your escape to South America. The only way we can do this, is if we do it together. Change it.

I took it as he was saying "welcome to the club", like, breathe and relax before going ape shit and buying survival/gold and planning your escape to South America.

If that's what he was saying, then it was kind of stupid because A) I'm very calm, as I told him initially, and B) I'm not thinking about getting any sort of "bug out bag".

The only way we can do this, is if we do it together. Change it.

Correct and agreed. Don't know why you got downvoted for saying that. Wasn't me.

Dude I wholeheartedly one million percent agree with you! I try to be a kind, reasonable person everyday, tackling challenges and exposing truths. But I also love to indulge in the pleasures of life from all the grim reality this sub and the real news tells us. I also try to be healthy and eat organic or home cooked food whenever I can. But once in a while fast food or something doesn't hurt lol. The most important thing is to find what you love to do and can do to change the world and just dive right into it. Don't get too angry or depressed from the news, because a lot of it we really have no control over, other than just spreading awareness/information. Best of luck and success!

What are you doing to create change?

can't help others if you can;t even care for yourself, so that's a good move. Congrats, you're already a step ahead of most.

How long would it take to better yourself to a sufficient degree?

Once that's done, what will you do to create change?

But the change you're looking for is quite large. It would require drastic measures, not just being a bit more positive in your day to day.

The longest journey begins with a single step - old chinese proverb

Don't you see the absurdity of telling people we can change the world, only when questioned to say you're going to try live your life a little better?

I see the self-improvement as an immunization against an engineered culture that's designed to split and isolate us. If you're less racist, you won't be sucked in by race-baiters. Less sexist, they can't control you on gender issues. That sort of thing. You're removing the hooks by which the system can control you.

There are also things you can do to help your game. Judo or BJJ will get/keep you in shape (out of the medical system) and will teach you tactics, useful in interpreting propaganda and determining countermoves. I think they help with personal courage, too. Or chess or RTS games can help tactics without the physical demands. The key is to learn to think several moves ahead, rather than stay in a reactive mode.

And you can reduce your attachment to the machine, plan ahead for you and your friends/family, etc.

So all that is good, but it's just preparation. It hasn't translated to any action yet. I don't buy the New Age bullshit that says "Just imagine a better world and it will happen. :)" No, we need to get off our asses and do work. Even if it means quitting your job or whatever -- money can facilitate good work, but what good is money when you're dead?

We are in a fight for our survival as a sovereign species. If we fail, our children and grandchildren will be slaves.

I just say be looking for an opportunity to help however you can. Might be organizing groups, printing tshirts, making art... Just keep your eyes open for where you can make a difference.

Intense. Great conversation.

no. i thik ppl trying to live a better life is always a good step, and therefore i worry less about the why, and support the spirit so they do make positive change. To damper such a new flame is never my style.

Don't you see the absurdity of asking someone "What are you doing to change things?" when you yourself aren't doing shit?

Nah, as long as I don't start making speeches like Op's, then there's no absurdity.

There is much, MUCH worse "absurdity" than what you are here calling such.

What are YOU doing? I don't mean this in more more antagonistic a manner than I'm assuming you meant it, by the way.

when i answered you i got dved, kinda felt antagonistic to me. are you here to discus solutions or argue no one is finding them for you? mic drop

when i answered you i got dved, kinda felt antagonistic to me. are you here to discus solutions or argue no one is finding them for you? mic drop

Wut? lol. Dude, you're not even forming proper intelligible sentences...and you're going to say something like "mic drop" as if you've just said something "cool" when in fact you haven't even formed an actual discernible thought? Seriously? Come on, man.

facepalm. smh

Nothing. To put it simply.

Fair enough, and well enough that you answered it honestly. Why pose the question that you did then in the first place though? If a person talks, and talks, and talks about what we need to do, but themselves is doing exactly ZERO about what they're suggesting, then does that somehow make the suggestions any less valid or needed or sound? Does it make it any less the case that we SHOULD all indeed come together and do something about the draconian manipulation we are most definitely subject to?

It doesn't. Truth is truth regardless of who utters it or the circumstances under which they're uttered.

As such, the "What are you doing about it?" question that is so often posed on here by people is, at the end, really nothing but an antagonistic query borne from some personal need to be disruptive and/or a guilt and self-consciousness over the fact that the questioner themselves is doing absolutely nothing about the situation and, therefore, attempts to knock down the individual who is at least trying to make suggestions. They do this instead of realizing and understanding that - yes - we SHOULD all come together and work together to do something about these absolutely shitty circumstances so many of us most definitely find ourselves in.

It's a bad, nothing statement that serves to disrupt any attempt at forward movement; it's being part of the problem - not the solution.

Why pose the question that you did then in the first place though?

To see how much thought he put into it, if he had a plan, what he thought could be done in the short or long term.

then does that somehow make the suggestions any less valid or needed or sound?

It means they don't have a plan. Every time I see posts like this of people trying to rally others to change the world - They never have a plan of how to do it.

They're also preaching to the wrong crowd.

To see how much thought he put into it, if he had a plan, what he thought could be done in the short or long term.

That’s a very good reason for asking that question - so good, as a matter of fact, that I feel it might have perhaps been even better posed if you would have asked the question in the manner that you formulated right here instead of the manner that you initially phrased it. What you said right here seems quite a bit more level-headed, while the manner you initially phrased things didn’t send the kind of message and meaning you explained here. The manner you initially phrased it used words that are pretty unanimously looked upon as confrontational, antagonistic, and simply contrarian.

Every time I see posts like this of people trying to rally others to change the world - They never have a plan of how to do it.

You just applied an unqualified universal comment here. This means that either you’ve come across only a very few occasions like you just described, or you haven’t been paying too much attention to the occasions when suggestions have been given - or at least you’ve certainly never read any of my posts on this subject.

Regardless of this, however, the fact of the matter is that I’d rather have 10 people attempting to rally without having a plan than 100 shiftless neckbeards who’ve already given up hope and aren’t doing anything at all.

They're also preaching to the wrong crowd.

I wouldn’t go that far because, for as many of us as there are in this sub that have an idea that things are wrong (way wrong), even many of us in this sub don’t seem to be leading any movements toward real action and are, more than anything, simply your average reddit keyboard warrior. Therefore, perhaps he’s NOT preaching to the wrong crowd. If THIS crowd doesn’t react affirmatively to this idea (and, if you’re any indication, there are some who obviously are not), then what crowd actually would?

I agree with everything you just said.

Honestly, not to shit on your thread OP, but wow. Ever since I read this theory it's just been more and more obvious that there's truth in it. The theory says, basically, conspiracies are happening out in the open on purpose, in order to make people try and "wake up" in response, so that they expand their consciousnesses and delve into the mysteries. And straight up, it's practically textbook, I would swear this is exactly what's happening, it's uncanny. Worth looking into for sure though either way.

no. i thik ppl trying to live a better life is always a good step, and therefore i worry less about the why, and support the spirit so they do make positive change. To damper such a new flame is never my style.

I see the self-improvement as an immunization against an engineered culture that's designed to split and isolate us. If you're less racist, you won't be sucked in by race-baiters. Less sexist, they can't control you on gender issues. That sort of thing. You're removing the hooks by which the system can control you.

There are also things you can do to help your game. Judo or BJJ will get/keep you in shape (out of the medical system) and will teach you tactics, useful in interpreting propaganda and determining countermoves. I think they help with personal courage, too. Or chess or RTS games can help tactics without the physical demands. The key is to learn to think several moves ahead, rather than stay in a reactive mode.

And you can reduce your attachment to the machine, plan ahead for you and your friends/family, etc.

So all that is good, but it's just preparation. It hasn't translated to any action yet. I don't buy the New Age bullshit that says "Just imagine a better world and it will happen. :)" No, we need to get off our asses and do work. Even if it means quitting your job or whatever -- money can facilitate good work, but what good is money when you're dead?

We are in a fight for our survival as a sovereign species. If we fail, our children and grandchildren will be slaves.

I just say be looking for an opportunity to help however you can. Might be organizing groups, printing tshirts, making art... Just keep your eyes open for where you can make a difference.

Don't you see the absurdity of asking someone "What are you doing to change things?" when you yourself aren't doing shit?

There is much, MUCH worse "absurdity" than what you are here calling such.

I have a tendency to be unclear and vague in my communication

Well, at least you acknowledged it here, sir. That’s a sign of awareness, and awareness paves the road toward understanding, development, and growth.

Slavery is a good example that our founding fathers' motives may have been totally unclear.

Correct. Many so often shower our “founding fathers” with such adulation and nostalgic praise, and my response tends to usually be “Um…excuse me, but do you remember what these ‘founding fathers’ actually did? They slaughtered the millions of indigenous people already on the land, and then went to Africa and enslaved more millions there!” wtf? smh

Murals in the capitol of DC are another. Maybe ideas of grandeur? All sorts of behavior relating to narcissistic and self-serving tendencies.

Are they similar to the craziness in the murals at the Colorado airport?

I like your sentiment better because it's focused on increasing the acceleration of change rather than thinking about how to initiate it.

Yes. I wouldn’t necessarily want us to act “Only when we’re 1000% absolutely ready.” because if that’s the case, then we may never likely ever act and we’ll be waiting for that “perfect moment” all the way to internment/death camps.

We should wait until we’re ready enough…and I think we’re really not too far from that, if not almost upon that time already.

I guess my only argument against everything is, "what's the plan?" and that's a hard answer to muster.

I personally think it’s an extremely easy answer to muster and come up with. It’s that it’s apparently not easy to actually execute for many, unfortunately. And what’s the answer? The answer, as I’ve stated before, is for each and every one of us to put away the petty, indoctrinated racism and prejudices that have been brainwashed into us from birth, and come together as the ONE HUMAN FAMILY which we indeed all are. We need support and cooperation between and amongst one another. We get that, and we don’t need the enslaving paradigm of money and fiat currency that keeps us as a species beholden to those who create money these abstract nothings that we most definitely do NOT NEED in order to survive and thrive. Indeed money is one of the main things that actually gets in the way of our thriving like we could and should.

With limited resources and funding to get a message out, and force people to pay attention, the solution to the problems of influence require a lot of creativity.

And we have more creativity by far than all the money in the world. The money is nothing. The creativity and willingness to act and move forward is everything.

I don't doubt that it's possible, but I do see the size of the task at hand.

It’s certainly a large and formidable one. Bit by bit, I feel we could definitely and absolutely conquer it.

Our society is structured in such a way to allow the government to mystify people, and encourage them to support the systems that encourage this.

This is 100% true, unfortunately. We have come to depend on it - not on each other.

These are systems that have been established over the course of 60 years many, many generations. They're airtight.

ftfy

Sometimes I fear our only recourse is to continue questioning everything, and hope that either the corrupted run themselves into the ground, or people start waking up.

I think questioning is certainly part of it, but I also feel that each and every one of us as individuals taking at least baby steps toward doing whatever we can to BE part of the change we wish to see in the world is a pretty good step in the right direction too. Eventually, as more and more of us all continue to simply act on our own to do good and be good, there will be a point upon which this general modus operandi amongst the citizens reaches a point of critical mass, and a significant enough portion of the society will at that point all be moving in the proper direction and acting together toward the goal of improvement, etc.

This is all good and well, but what I just described above is, admittedly, a passive approach that TPTB themselves see happening, and they work diligently to covertly manipulate and sway this movement away from evolving. This is the reason why we as a citizenry need to take this slow, percolating, natural progression toward evolving, and become more conscious of it - quicken it, so to speak - so that we can begin to take a greater hold of that evolving energy that TPTB continue to bend back toward darkness and enslavement.

I think you've already responded to my argument about how to proceed. Just gotta keep movin'. Keep workin'.

Yes sir. Indeed. That’s definitely part of it.

Is the idea of 'needing a plan' propaganda? Like it's an implied necessity from our respected 'leaders' to be successful, but all it does is prevent people from thinking they can live without a structured government because our government is supposed to create those plans for us.

Exactly. Very well said, sir! And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a pretty darn clear example of a person who is showing some serious critical thinking skills!

Ultimately, and as per what you just said here, it seems that it’s not a bad idea for everyone as individuals to simply do as MUCH as they can to, again, be the change they wish to see in the world. You want this world to be harmonious, and balanced, and “free” and just? Then YOU need to work hard at being harmonious and balanced and free and just. You think there’s too much racism in the world? Then YOU need to make sure that when you think and talk and walk the streets everyday, etc, that you treat and react to your fellow human beings as the brothers and sisters that you complain others don’t see one another as being.

BE the change you wish to see in the world. Simple as that.

As we all start imbuing this ideology more and more into our lives, then, like I said above, a critical mass awakening will continue (as is, perhaps, already slowly beginning to happen a bit).

Have people forgotton that they can act without a [structured, organized, and collective] plan?

Yes. Many of us have. Many of us have indeed thought that - ”Well, if we’re not ALL doing it together, then I as an individual don’t need to do shit”.

Wrong. It’s almost the opposite of that to an extent. Whatever plan that might exist collectively almost can’t even get off the ground en mass until each and every individual begins as thinking about what they can do to help this new paradigm move forward.

All very, very good thoughts you imparted here, sir. Thank you.

Cheers,

I almost feel like I was having a conversation with myself, actually.

You are ;)

I only just got made aware of him the other day through a friend. I kind of already knew what he was saying in a way though. I've been piecing my stuff together from an eclectic mix of sources like channeling, Terence, Watts, deep rabbit hole religious/alien stuff rather than anyone in particular.

Never read those guys. Will have to check them out.

Good chat :)