One theory has it that by convincing the world that manmade climate change is a thing, they subsequently make bookoos amount of money. It follows, that they pass legislation, setting up a carbon credit exchange. Companies that do not comply with the new set of emissions rules get charged a penalty. Companies that meet or exceed those limits receive these carbon credits, relative to how much they exceeded the expectations. The "good" companies can then trade those credits theyve received for tax credits via the exchange. The "bad" companies that have not met the limits can purchase credits ffrom the exchanges. And as a lot of money would be flowing through the exchange, whoever runs the exchsnges take some percentage of profit.

I do not know the verifiability of any of this, whether it is a thing or not, or if it was all made up. I havent invested enough research into this particular theory to come to any real conclusion myself.

As for the question of anthropogenic climate change, i believe we are jumping the gun. It is too soon to tell for sure. Yes, we have a correlating set of data that relates carbon dioxide with warming temperatures. But what we do not have is a control set.

We have data from ice cores that show us further correlation between carbon dioxide levels and global temperatures, but again, correlation does not prove causation.

There is an argument for ACC that claims the global temps have risen since the beginning of the industrial revolution, and they use this to support their statement that humans thusly are causing CC. Yet, we have data that goes far beyond the industrial revolution that shows global climate is cyclical, to an extent, and that CO2 levels naturally rise and fall.

Next, we come to another fork in the road, as water vapor makes up the vast majority of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Although a certain amount of water vapor can only remain in the atmosphere for a relatively short period of time (whereas CO2 remains much longer), the volumes we are talking about, in terms of water vapor at any given moment vs CO2, are dramatically one sided, in that at any given moment water vapor is the vast majority of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

IIRC, water vapor accounts for about 3/4 of the greenhouse gases. CO2 is somewhere around 1-2%, of which humans are not fully accountable for.

So, for brevity, humans only account for roughly less than one full percent of attributabke greenhouses gases, when compared to natural sources.

I find it difficukt to believe that we can really affect the entire globe at these ratios.

Furthermore, i dont really see any proponents of ACC talk about water vapors role, despite it being the majority player. The ones that mention it downplay its role without offering any real explanation.

Then theres the correlation to CO2 and water vapor. This seems to be the closest argument ive found in ACC, wherein the increase of CO2 due to human activity has subsequently caused a large increase in water vapors role. Yet i have not seen any evidence set forth to prove or disprove this idea.

When it comes down to it, i am not a climatologist, and the complexities of global climate is convoluted even for the "experts."

Thus, my only position is that we do not know for sure. Hence, i do not believe it is ethical nor moral to install broad regulations based on data that is not conclusive, in which the lives of each individual on the planet may be affected.

My question is if trying to prove man caused climate change is a conspiracy what would be the motive of such a conspiracy?

Money. Carbon taxes, green technology, subsidies for green industries etc.

There is huge money in the climate change industry whether it's legitimate or not.

It pales in comparison to the money in the status quo (Big Oil, Coal, etc).

Probably, but that market is pretty saturated and everyone needs a buck ;) I think I recently heard the climate change industry is a billion dollar industry, so it's not chump change.

For the record I'm pretty sure climate change is a real issue and that man does have an impact on it, even if it's tiny.

I'm not sure the solutions offered by the government are the right ones though. And, as people who have enjoyed the benefits of living in the first world, who are we to tell industrial nations what they can do?

Just for reference Exxon Mobil earned $32.5 billion last year. One company!

Yep, doesn't change anything I said. There is a lot of money to be made selling climate change solutions.

That's why I'm investing in the future of energy with renewables.

Big Oil and Coal will stay in the business looting as much as possible for as long as possible, and pissing on anyone else who tries to make an alternative, getting rid of competitors and also keeping their market value under-priced.

Then, the second it looks like the prices are going to become uncompetitive, they'll instantly liquidise all their assets and buy up every alternative power site, research lab, specialised personnel and continue to run the Big Energy show.

Most energy companies are already investing heavily in renewables so that they can hold parents and corner the market when it explodes.

It's somewhat depressing when I think that these immoral companies will get to still control energy, and additionally call themselves "green" in the future too.

Oil makes billions a year, the carbon market will make trillions a year.

Got any links to that info?

Forcing every business in the country to buy into a market system. Come on, think a little. You don't think that will make trillions? Also think of the control that will give them over all business.....

to increase the power of the state.

HAARP and chemtrails

shut me up and prove me wrong, all you have is poor excuses to the contrary by the same people doing it. You havent seen the clear blue sky uninterrupted in years and you know it.

Hell yes its man made. You know why? The planets getting warmer because hell is getting full. Unless these degenerates repent the fate of the climate on this planet is doomed.

At least that is JC's threory on the Art Bell show.

JC was one of my favorites. Still don't know if he was for real or not, but he difinetly had his entertainment value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGSNyz3Wuc4

Gotta love the sign on the you tube best of JC. Its on the reader board of the First Baptist Church.

It reads: YOU CANT TWERK SITTING IN CHURCH !!! - JC WEBSTER

"..."Their agenda is conversion. They are trying to homosexualise the population"

"Have you seen those shows the have on TV? They got those queer guys, with their eyes on the straight guys." - more of the best of JC.

My question is if trying to prove man caused climate change is a conspiracy what would be the motive of such a conspiracy?

As in there is a conspiracy to change the climate?

Or

There is a conspiracy to make people think we are changing the climate on accident?

The motivation is power (global government, global authority over sovereignty of nation states) money (taxation that is enforced globally) and who knows what else.

Something something carbon tax scam or agenda 21.

What wouldnt be the motive???

Im so sick of the sky looking like shit everyday. I cant even remember the last time Ive seen it pure blue without that bullshit haze. Them robbing me of a sunny day is what pisses me off more than anything else.

Downvoting doesnt make it go away. Im not wrong, you people are in denial. The sky is compromised and this is the one thing people refuse to accept yet the one conspiracy that is in your face. Look at the sky every once in a while ffs. The shooting hoaxes, gmo food, kid fuckers, israel, all of that shit is believable but them literally spraying the sky in front of your face is the one you deny. Lunacy.

Ah, but it does. They spray an area where they'd like the pressure to drop so that they can steer the jetstream. Look into project skyfold indigo for more detailed information. This isnt everyday jet exhaust, they spray areas that arent high traffic areas, they spray everywhere they need to. It puts a barrier between us and the sun and it needs to stop.

Where is that?

Are you talking about contrails?

Because contrails do what Im seeing across the sky everyday. Im losing my patience with people... How fucking retarded do you have to be bro? How old are you? Are we really at the point where some people are too young to remember what the goddamned sky is supposed to look like?

Because contrails do what Im seeing across the sky everyday.

Right. As air traffic has increased year after year, we should have expected more contrails. Not sure why it's surprising.

Contrails dissapear, chemtrails dissipate. Plain and simple.. I dont know what your fucking problem is but youre not doing yourself any favors taking untrustworthy people's weak excuses for gospel. I'll ask again, how old are you?

Contrails dissapear, chemtrails dissipate.

Can you explain why? I've never heard a straight answer to why this is.

wator vapor vs coal ash

What?

Coal ash is so hot now in the chemtrail community.

Just like how they all used to be deadly toxins, but then no one died, so they had to change it to "geo-engineering" which is much vaguer, but also sounds cooler.

So the coal ash dissipates quickly but water vapor doesn't?

wat

the water vapor dissapears, the coal ash dissipates slowly

the water vapor disappears

Or it accumulates, right? Aren't clouds water vapor?

clouds converge, chemtrails dissipate.

So how do clouds dissipate?

Not by gradually falling to the surface, which is what those chemtrails do. Chemtrails dont rain like clouds eventually do. It just spreads and falls. Your shit isnt going to work on me, youre wasting your time. I have eyes and common sense.

So why do you think contrails are really coal ash?

OK so the evidence seems to be mounting that there has at least been some bias in the reporting of both the causes and magnitude of man caused climate change.

False. The disinformation is mounting, and you are confused.

There has been some sound science indicating that the fluctuation we are seeing is climate both during periods of apparent warming and periods of apparent cooling are normal and not being caused by the activities of men.

False.

It gets exhausting dealing with people at your level, which is low like the floor.

For one thing, you are referring to "models" which is a grandiose way of saying "computer program simulations of physical reality."

Take a look at physical reality. Everywhere on the planet, the weather is extreme and the wind is strong. Storms have more energy in them, ocean currents and winds have more kinetic energy in them, and the iciest parts of the planet are melting.

So here's a fact: the climate is getting extreme. Or, as Bruce Sterling wrote, we are experiencing heavy weather.

On the flip side of that, you have the activities of man. Man has quadrupled the CO2 in the atmosphere. Go find the number on total amount of oil man has pumped. Then go calculate what fraction of that is burned. The answer is around 0.6T barrels.

Once you realize the stoichiometry of that situation, you either know global warming is true, or you're crazy.

Go read Heavy Weather by Bruce Sterling and get a clue. Meanwhile, the rest of us will watch the Clathrate Gun go off this summer while actual warming in 2015 is what was projected for 2100.

See other comment for more info.

That is what I mean by "your level." You actually live on the planet but don't understand what you see.

Furthermore it has been revealed that historic temperature data has been tampered with to make it seem that warming has been occurrin

This is false. The reason I write "false" on your posts is that you are a liar with an agenda. There isn't much more to say about what you write than to say that you are spreading falsehoods.

The recent "revelations" are meaningless, the changes to records are not sinister and do not refute global warming when reverted. The fact is that weather stations have to be replaced, repaired, and sometimes moved. The corrections to measurements you refer to were done carefully, by comparing new machine to old over time, and do not invalidate the science.

Meanwhile, the best thermometer for the earth's temperature you could ask for would be the earth itself. Both poles are melting. Greenland, Alaska, and Siberia are melting.

The ocean floor clathrates are out-gassing at ocean-saturating rates in the North Atlantic, NW of the Bering Straight. The tundra is releasing methane from underground high-pressure reserves.

The amount of methane released from melting clathrates last summer is on the order tens of megatons.

THOSE are the real revelations you should be paying attention to.

The "revelations" you speak of are hogwash and if you keep talking about them I will consider you a liar with an agenda who comes here to spread disinformation.

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The nicest thing about the heavy weather is that people such as yourself will mostly be extinct in not too long. Good day to you, too.

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