If you make it a habit to tell people that you have a bomb, particularly online, you should expect to have people take you seriously from time to time.

On the other hand should we really be sending police to investgate every post like this online? Seems like a massive waste of resources especially when there is almost 0 chance that the threat is credie. ( hint I it was credible it wouldnt be posted online e)

On the other hand should we really be sending police to investgate every post like this online?

That's not how bureaucracies work. Someone obviously reported OP, leaving police with the option of assuming that it is nothing and leaving it alone, or following up. If they don't follow up and something bad happens, whoever decided to not bother investigating is well and truly fucked. As a consequence, you need to anticipate interaction with the cops if you're going to post stuff like that online.

hint I it was credible it wouldnt be posted online

People talk about all kinds of stupid stuff online, even when it presents a potential risk to their future liberty.

This is part of the problem with today's litigious society. I see countless videos on line of police harassing people for taking pictures and when the guy asks why they are even there since it's not a crime, they always fall back on the excuse "we got a call".

Well fucking fantastic, if you get a call about someone picking their nose would they investigate? No, because it's not a crime.

And neither is posting "i have a dirty bomb on a dead man's switch".

But hey look, I just posted those words and since context apparently means nothing I guess I should be happy if I get a visit tonight.

"...dirty bomb on a dead man's switch"

...Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!

Argh! Take that one to the brig, mates!

I admit that I never read the other posts where OP made these claims and hey, maybe I'm totally off base. Maybe the police should just assume that everyone who purports to be armed with bombs online are just joking around with no malevolent intent. Until then however, I would strongly suggest anticipating a police response to claims regarding bomb possession.

Maybe the police should just assume that everyone who purports to be armed with bombs online are just joking around with no malevolent intent.

Yes, everything is black and white. The police have no ability to use discretion or use the tools available to them to determine the validity of a threat. Showing up and actually asking if they were serious should be the very last thing. Hell, if the guy was serious why would he admit it or even answer the door for the police?

How do you think they should have handled it then?

Also, if people start using this like SWATING it will be bad news. I could just take someone's post who I don't like and report it and they're in for a headache. At least with SWATing there is some urgency so it's understandable that they respond to every call. With this I think they have to be very careful.

That mostly depends on the context. For one they can look at his post history and see if the guy really seems like a threat or if he is most likely joking. They could try to ID him and see if he has a criminal record or the capability of procuring/making a dirty bomb. If I post that I have an ICBM in my yard and have it trained on the capital of England, should they investigate that?

Stuff like that.

Here's a better question though, do you think the way they handled it was effective? It sounds like they came in, acted like they were annoyed they had to do it, and then left without any investigation.

So, had OP actually had a bomb, do you think they would have figured it out? I don't think they would have, which is why I think these house calls are more about covering their own asses (as you pointed out) or to intimidate.

That mostly depends on the context. For one they can look at his post history and see if the guy really seems like a threat or if he is most likely joking. They could try to ID him and see if he has a criminal record or the capability of procuring/making a dirty bomb.

You're assuming they didn't do that and really, making a bomb isn't that hard with access to a hardware store if you were disposed to such behavior. If they had really believed he had a bomb, especially a radiological device, I'm guessing the response would have been different. However, a visit often allows investigators to get a sense of what a person is like and what their motives might be so actually serves as a pretty good middle-ground between a full-scale response and just assuming that there's nothing to worry about.

Haha what do you mean 'particularly online'? The internet is the last place to take anyone seriously.

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Why do you think they wanted to intimidate you? Of course they responded after someone reported you. Imagine the furor if it turned out you did have something like that and did something reprehensible with it and they blew it off, thinking it was just some crazy kid on the internet. that's not how bureaucratic ass-covering works.

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As a person who enjoys and frequently uses dry humor and sarcasm in my day to day life, I find that it often doesnt' translate to text very well. Some of the nuance disappears and the nonverbal cues that indicate sarcasm are often impossible.

Your argument is stupid.

The police did not take this threat seriously. If they had, they would have sent in a bomb squad and OP would be in a jail cell until the matter was cleared up. Although the police have a tendency to be absolute morons, they're not stupid enough to knock on the front door if there's a genuine bomb threat.

It was just a flimsy excuse to intimidate him.

ESPECIALLY since the original comment said it was on a deadman switch.

Canadian Police HQ: "Sir! We've received reports of a dirty bomb threat on a dead man's switch!"

"Roger! Send the Special Lemmings Unit to investigate!"

KABOOM

"The bomb has been successfully defused! Outstanding work, gentlemen!"

LOL, not just a "boom" but a KAboom. Yeah, this is the truth.

Can you imagine the amount of fake or sarcastic threats made in text by phone or over the phone, real or not, these guys should have thousands of people driving around the country knocking on doors in order to confirm said threat. Why this time? Why now? Frick, I have seen worse by PM here on reddit!

This kind of thing is not reasonable. We have a problem here.

Added Special Lemmings Unit to head canon.

The police did not take this threat seriously.

They took it as seriously as they thought they needed to, which, in this case, was sending four guys out to sniff sniff at what was going on

It was just a flimsy excuse to intimidate him.

I asked before and I'll ask again. Why do you think the police tried to intimidate him? What were they trying to dissuade OP from doing?

Why do you think the police tried to intimidate him?

Did you even read the original post?

I read the above post, as best as I could anyways, considering the creative use of grammar and spelling.

Then you ought to be capable of answering your own question.

I am just as suspicious of "the man" as the next guy in this subreddit, but if someone reported your comment the police would have to follow up (even if they did think it was bullshit). As a medic in the US I get sent to calls all the time that are bullshit. Let's say someone makes an off/sarcastic comment about suicide... I will be dispatched to investigate that claim. If I can reliably determine that claim was actually made whether or not it may have been sarcastic, then that person will be taken with me for a psych evaluation at the proper facility. I may know the claim was bullshit, as do most others involved in, but due to the litigious nature of society the person must be evaluated. My example is different than yours with the police, but both situations come down to a liability issue. Maybe it is different in Canada but down here we must atleast investigate certain claims. Now as to the cyanide situation - that is the most interesting to me. It would seem to me it was used as bait to land some charges on you after the authorities wasted time on your sarcastic claims.

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Oh I'm not saying it wasn't. I didn't even see the context of the original comment. I'm just saying those guys most certainly had to follow up due to liability because of the person that reported the comment.

I have planted a bomb in every mailbox in the whole world. Please investigate.

If this is true you should crosspost the post that got you visited to /r/canada. I think they'd like to know this.

Are you in the east or west?

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Chemist here too. Sounds like they were seeing if you could be "radicalized" and then set up. This creating and instigating crimes that would otherwise not happen is so fucking ridiculous.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2010/12/06/alarmed-mosque-goers-turn-fbi-informant-over-fbi

"Let's stop terrorism by encouraging people to commit acts of terrorism".

God damn the FBI is fucking stupid.

It's not that they are encouraging them to commit a crime it just they are trying to set them up to seem like they are actually doing their job and stopped a terrorist attack before it happened, but in reality it was all just a staged bust.

Wasn't this sort of the premise of To Catch a Predator with Chris Hansen?

Same concept but from what OP said it sounds like they are trying to find someone who can make a harmful product with certain chemicals without that person actually knowing they are making it to do harm.

Unlike on the show To Catch a Predator those pervs knew exactly what their plans were with someone underage.

I dunno man, any chemist worth their NaCl would have realized (as OP did) that they were being solicited to make a lethal compound. He might not have known the ultimate use of it, but Cyanide is not usually manufactured on the sly for agricultural purposes...

It doesn't work like that at all. They set it up "drug bust/drug sting" style.

It's not like they literally want people out committing terrorism. The method they use is to find someone dumb enough or willing enough to consider it, then giving them everything they think they need to do it, then arresting them for it.

I mean it can be considered bullshit either way but don't sit here and act like they literally want people out committing crime. That's not how these operations wok at all.

then arresting them for it.

Or they set them up and call it a terrorist attack because it justifies their existence: See the underwear bomber.

don't sit here and act like they literally want people out committing crime.

Blatantly false. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

How is "giving them[the potential terrorist] everything[the materials to commit the terrorism] they think they need to do it[the terrorism]" not encouraging terrorism?

They're looking for patsies and useful idiots to serve their agendas, not an actual increase in random acts of terrorism.

Yes they're encouraging terrorism. "Terrorism" that they control and that they can use for their agendas.

I felt like the post I responded to by /u/skunkboy72 which /u/beneaththerainbow responded to was acting like the government literally wants people committing unchecked acts of terrorism in the street.

They literally do sometimes. That is so that populations remain fearful of each other and divided and do not unite to overthrow the elites. Like I told you before, it is a part of a strategy of tension that has been employed for at least hundreds of years through governments and probably thousands of years through relgions.

The following is a passage from Howard Zinn's "A People's History..."

Bacon's Rebellion brought together groups from the lower classes. White frontiersmen started the uprising because they were angry about the way the colony was being run. Then white servants and black slaves joined the rebel­ lion. They were angry, too-mostly about the huge gap between rich and poor in Virginia.

The greatest fear of wealthy southern planters was that black slaves and poor whites would combine in another uprising like Bacon's Rebellion. One tool to keep blacks and whites from uniting was racism. Edmund Morgan , a historian of slavery in Virginia , wrote in his American Slavery, American Freedom that racism was not a "natural" feeling about the differ­ences between black and white. Instead, white leaders encouraged a negative view of blacks. If poor whites felt contempt for African Americans, they were less likely to join with them in rebellion.

It's the same strategy gone global. And now that we have instant global communication, they can't just lie about it in the newspaper and trick everyone. They have to actually act it out or find patsies to act it out for them.

I have no response to that. Thank you for awaring me.

Fucked up times we live in.

Yeah man. All of these "terrorist attacks" in Europe now, for instance?

So you saw that video off the Charlie Hebdo thing, right? Here is what I saw. I'm no expert, but I have been putting in a lot of time into reading and learning how these operations work:

I saw a couple of professionals work smoothly and cleanly. They had a very well-planned out attack and made a nice escape. It certainly did not look like a couple of guys who have never seen action and suddenly self-radicalized. Even if you have trained, unless you have seen a lot of action and can control yourself, then you are going to be panicked and scattered. Those guys were smooth and in control.

Not only that, but the big tip-off to me was the leaving behind of the ID cards. This always conveniently happens. Oswald's wallet, James Earl Ray's "bundle of evidence", and even the passports that miraculously showed up at 9/11. It's a common tactic because it works so well on the general population and spin control through their agents in the media can discredit those who point out the absurdity.

Now what happened the next day?

Well, a couple of guys took some hostages in a bakery or something. This is where those agents who try to find people willing to become radicals come in. If you had to make something like this happen, what do you do? You probably show them that you can get them money and weapons. You probably use your knowledge of other fake acts by other agents to show them that you are connected to the terrorists. Then you tell them, "The signal is coming. There will be an attack today, then muslims like us everywhere across Europe will stage a coordinated attack. Your mission will be to hold hostages in this bakery!" Then they see the attack happen and believe that it is real. These aren't ever really bright people to begin with so they never figure out they are being set up. The reality is those poor patsies would have probably never had a vector to do anything at all if these agencies had never enabled them. Do you think they got those guns by themselves?

Seriously... this is how those types of things operate. You have to create an illusion like a magician. If you go and look at those JTRIG slides, that's exactly what they talk about. These guys love to compare themselves to magicians that create false realities.

I know it sounds like madness, but we have some really famous quotes to back it up:

William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." —Unnamed White House aide[1] The quote is now widely attributed to Karl Rove

This is what Karl Rove meant by "we are history's actor's". They are literally creating a reality of their own choosing (that of course serves themselves) for the masses to move them to the actions that they want them to.

It's madness, but if we want to be, we have to deal with reality and be history's actors and end this nonsense.

Sickening but 100% true.

I knew the Charlie Hebdo shit was bullshit when I saw the ID thing. Who the fuck brings their ID when they go to kill people?! Also LOL at the black boxes in the planes used in 9/11 being decimated, but one of the hijackers ID's goes though a plane crash, explosions, fires, and rubble to fall down thousands of feet onto the ground. What a goddamn joke.

Like you said, calm, very professional, very smooth. Even with my military training I couldn't pull that off.

Also when the shit went down the next day and they talked about the guy that supplied those hostage takers with weapons all I could think of was INTELLIGENCE AGENT. He was their "handler" and set them up.

Within the week france was enacting anti-freedom/anti-terrorism laws and arresting people for criticizing Jews and questioning the narrative.

We live in the Matrix. It doesn't sound like madness at all. Television, movies, are all mind control. It's magick. They use symbols and lies to incapacitate us. They call them television programs because they're programming the public.

I appreciate you taking the time to have this conversation. I think it was good for both of us. I enjoy tightening up my presentation of these ideas on reddit. It's kinda too bad good conversations like this always come after a thread's popularity has died down and people don't get to see them.

Take care.

Likewise.

They have never had the intention of stopping terrorism. USA needs terror to justify their oppressive laws to control and to abuse their population. So, no, the FBI isn't stupid, they are working with the system.

It's not stupid. People generally only believe what "authorities" tell them. They create terrorism to justify their rights grabs.

Post it to /r/CanadaPolitics, watch as it's nuked by /u/Issachar or /u/AmnesiaJune for 'unfounded conspiracy theory'; then wonder in amazement as they continue to ignore the rules themselves while selectively enforcing them against those who are critical of the Tories.

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Childish response.

It's in line with their general character.

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Mockery is all they have when their opponents are right.

You'd think that a moderator with such a strict opinion on what constitutes a conspiracy theory that they conflate presumption of there existing support for party policy with a conspiracy theory would be a little less casual about tossing their own unfounded conspiracy theories about.

FWIW, I think you're an idiot; not a shill.

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You're like the guy caught cheating by his wife that just sits in the corner repeating, 'okay..' Over and over while getting shamed to fuck

I really don't care. If someone wants to drag me into a random thread and complain about me for no reason, all they're gonna get is this gif

"No reason,"?

Well this is interesting to say the least. Wonder if I should be expecting a visit some time.

I am wondering if the purpose of the police visit was primarily so the authorities could establish your identity, since this was unclear from your shared IP. The subsequent "dressing down" was just a smokescreen to hide the fact that they had other plans for you.

Certainly, that cyanide episode sounds like a classic patsy set-up. The FBI manual from the 1993 WTC bombings must have found its way north of the border.

Thing is, how could they be sure you would answer the craigslist ad, though? They must have built up a pretty accurate profile of you.

Thing is, how could they be sure you would answer the craigslist ad, though? They must have built up a pretty accurate profile of you.

Or ... he's completely wrong about it being a set-up.

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Did somebody send the link to you? Otherwise the idea that it was meant for you is far-fetched.

I googled on her name. I'm omitting it here so that friends and family of hers won't find this if they search her name.

I found this tweet on McGill University's twitter: "The University Flag is lowered today March 20, 2015, in memory of R___ N_____, student in the Faculty of Arts". I also found a mention of a moment of silence for her, "who passed away recently," and a notice in January that student organization needing a replacement officer since she "is not currently at McGill University for the Winter 2015 due to reasons of poor personal health." I found an interview with her from last October where she says that she is running for that post, and says what town she's from. I found a school newsletter from 2005 for an elementary school in that town that says that she was in a play. There are also a few slide presentations on a web site that look like they were done by her for a high school class. One mentions a museum in her home town.

There are a handful of tweets from friends about her death and a FaceBook page.

Some details and links omitted because of Reddit policy, but they're not hard to find if you search.

It looks to me like she was a real person who died.

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if this was an honeypot set up for you, they may have marked you as an "extremist" in their databases and in their patners (FiveEyes) for the rest of your life!.

If youre lucky this has no consequences, if not you can prepare yourself on getting "random" inspections when crossing borders, being spied on in the internet or in RL, not being able to aquire certain jobs(pilot, @Nationol Security Agencys) or not being able to buy firearms .

I would keep digging to find out what is going on, because being targeted by a a national security agency is everything but fun.

Stay thight dude.

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Why pour money and resources into huge projects that work against themselves? It's short sighted and a huge waste. A very wrong move IMO.

Because the only thing these agencys are interested in is power, and how do they get power?

By catching "terrorists" and saying they need more rights to foil their plans earlier or by not catching terrorists , suffering a terrorist attack and say they need more power to prevent those in the future.

Its makes totally sense from their perspective, because there are no drawbacks when catching false-positive "terrorists".

Nearly all of the highest-profile domestic terrorism plots in the United States since 9/11 featured the "direct involvement" of government agents or informants, a new report says.

-The Guardian

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Wouldn't they be concerned with losing power when it becomes obvious that their efforts are ineffective and even counterproductive?

by being ineffective they can GET MORE POWER!

how do they get power?

By catching "terrorists" and saying they need more rights to foil their plans earlier OR by not catching terrorists , suffering a terrorist attack and say they need more power to prevent those in the future.

EDIT: In a perfect world people wouldnt accept that those agencies are violating their constitutional right etc, but in the world we are living in, most dont give a damn.

The subsequent "dressing down" was just a smokescreen to hide the fact that they had other plans for you.

Yeah, like putting him on a watchlist where he clearly fucking belongs.

They are testing the waters to gauge the public outcry from these types of escalations... there will be more.

Ooh, can I post a crazy story on the internet and provide no evidence whatsoever to back myself up (badge numbers, craigslist posting, email transcripts, etc.) and then be lauded as the Hero of /r/conspiracy for the day?

If I was a cop and I read your post, I'd be coming to visit as well. Dumbass.

I delete my reddit account every month or two and start afresh. Sounds like I should start using anonymizing browsers, too.

A small digression: doing so appears to rather annoy the moderators at /r/CanadaPolitics, as having no care for your Internet Points completely invalidates their power.

Yep. But it means you beat them at the game going in, because they value pointless rules. They are playing a 0-sum-game and you are actually on a path to enriching the world through the virtue of honest discourse.

Exactly!

Thank-you for the kind acknowledgement.

"This is a new account. Did you create this account to shill? You're a shill. You have a new account."

Yup. Been hearing that alot lately.

I'd like it if we all stuck to the AnonymousCowardNNN format, in a nod to the days of Slashdot. It would indicate that we are those who disbelieve in internet points, and reduce the complaints of shilling.

You could join me as a janitor, but the third floor is mine.

I'll take the basement.

So you're a chemist who posted you have a dirty bomb on the Internet?

Breaking Bomb

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This is a weird story. First off you're a moron. You're especially a moron if you don't get that such a phrase will bring attention. Secondly your story about the chick is just odd, where was the add Craigslist? (re read yep it was). I love how at no point did you seem the slightest bit concerned about who the cyanide was for. Some poor suicidal chick?? Nope it's a honeypot just for you.

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Are you surprised its Craig's list.

/u/reputable_opinion, My immediate family is scared shitless of this exact sort of situation due to Bill C-51, and won't even discuss anything remotely political online as a result.

Imagine their reaction to your story corroborating that this Government is willing to act on such a weak justification. Despite them having nothing illegal within the household, or any means or motivation to commit an act of violence, they still fear even the potential for such a 'visit'.

Now imagine how many other Canadians may feel this way. That is fucking scary to me.

My immediate family is scared shitless of this exact sort of situation due to Bill C-51, and won't even discuss anything remotely political online as a result.

Terrorism works, folks.

Indeed it does. Especially when exercised by the state.

Fills me with anger...

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Milgram experiment results are fucking scary.

You weren't kidding:

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.

I only found some articles in Peru newspapers that a Canadian had committed suicide using a veteranary product near Machu Pichu.

What resource did you use to find the "articles"?

Edit: 16 hours and still no reply. I'm calling bullshit.

First off get a lawyer after that initial bit of business you had with the police you should get one in case anything more comes from it.

I'm not to sure about the Craig's list stuff. If your normal pattern is you use it very regularly or mentioned it on other social media then possibly maybe. Its shady for sure and not worth it but if you contacted them most likely not anything entrapment wise just regular everyday craigs list shady. It's understandable to be rattled by a visit to from the cops but if you weren't contacted directly about a job then I'd be fairly confident it's nothing like that.

Be lawful and be lawyered and all will be well.

Report the person who wants to make cyanide to your local news station. Do it now.

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Dox the dead person, follow the leads on their facebook and get the real story.

This reeks of an entrapment plot. While probably "legal" if you're a squirmy wormy scumbag, these tactics they use often fall into the "illegal" category very easily. Follow every lead you can, document the entire thing with as much detail as possible. Make sure to keep the documentation visible, share it with people.

What did the news agency say they actually did? Could they have hit a dead end and are just dismissing you as a "crazy conspiracy theorist" or as someone who just wants attention? That will be your first hurdle.

Details, phone records from your phones [was this person contacting you from south america? Probably not. This was a cover story, and easily pulled threads]

You can do a few hours of work and confirm the death record and the date yourself. Find out if the person even spoke english. If you can get enough evidence to prove that the person who was trying to recruit you wasn't the dead end lead, you will have proof that someone was trying to game you. From a newspaper or news person's perspective, that person could still be actively trying to create poison. This should be treated as a serious threat, even though you and I know it was a honeypot by some bored fed types with no useful leads. It could even be as simple as they have to do due diligence and this was the scummy way they went about it.

Dishonorable tactics indeed.

and then come back and update us, if you don't reply soon I will blow up the moon with my dead man switch dirty bomb KAPOW

Did you get badge numbers? Screen shot of the craigslist ad after you became suspicious? Anything at all to back up your story?

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If you don't get their badge numbers you can't confirm if they are real police.

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People impersonate cops. It's a crime.

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Never trust anyone.

Doesn't surprise me someone would alert someone when you produce phrases like that without any other connection, the IP would be investigated and cops sent to their house. Police would come under heavy fire if it was discovered that a conspiratard threatened bombs online and followed through without them getting involved at all. Thing is, nobody can see into your head, whether this is your level of "funny" or whether you're a dead serious threat is simply unanswered. I would send 2 units myself just to be sure. It's nice, if not a little egoistic, how you're reading into it further, but it's quite unlikely you're an interest to anyone past what was suspected, making phrases like that and ending up with what seems like just another cop interview they had to do doesn't strike me as nothing more than wishing to star in an action movie on your end. You love this situation, don't you?

edit: Thinking of it further, I would likely keep you on a possible threat list for good with such a phrase, definitely not off the radar, that would be very unsafe to do. You would get visited and kept "eye on", but not for the reasons you would wish for. It's just that nobody wants maniacs running into the crowd with dirty bombs, which you presented yourself as.

These cops make $100,000 a year and more

Which cops are these, now? Cops in my state average half that.

All the overtime.. In Canada being a cop is the easiest job.. Drive around.. Cell phone tickets to drivers.. Tim Hortons coffee.. Do some. Steroids

The blind will lead the blind

I would have asked for ricin from castor beans.

KNOCK KNOCK

Sorry, this door is broken. Please use the one on your goddamn right.

fuckin' hippy...

oh wait, I'm thinking of strychnine. Neeeeeevermiiiiiiind.

I know I'm late in the thread here and chocked this mostly up to mere coincidence, but since I became active here I've been pulled over 3 times and have had to pay $200 in bullshit fines (which I OK with for now, admit fault, and am luckily financially stable enough to take the hit, although a new vehicle will be purchased soon.

Unfortunate OP that you've had to deal with this and I am sorry.

If there's one thing I've been preaching here lately - is yes, **there are problems in society, and especially in America, and I am not including the general populousness fault for this. It was more me being side tracked by shit here and there and not playing by the rules you agree to in America by using state and federal roads.

I do think it is interesting after my 4k/karma multiple gilded post that the next weekend I got pulled over for an expired inspection sticker (yeah, I know, but I just don't care) and was, for once, treated with respect and dignity.

Not all cops are assholes and are just doing their job. Work with them - remember - in this shitty Matrix analogy they are just like you, just they have life experiences that have conditioned them (I would argue on purpose) to think you are they enemy.

It is our job to treat with everyone with respect. You will not win anyone over with fancy words and pictures of the Pentagon at 11:34 AM on 9/11.

Take it slow, take care of you and yours, and be ready. Because change is coming and it won't work without you.

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Haven't won me over - but before you can win them over you need to treat them with respect and kindness too - you know - that whole Golden Rule thing? That's all I mean.

But muh principles! Being rude to police officers in any encounter is definitely a tactical mistake and a strategic barrier to winning the long war for liberty. Attitudes like that alienate some of the badasses on our side, like the Oath Keepers, and just make their jobs harder.

Same goes for any group. For example I happen to be a Nazi sympathizer -- I like what Hitler had to say and what he did, and believe the holocaust never happened -- but I'm always friendly to Jewish people I meet. Why not? Some of them are holocaust deniers too! And even if they aren't - I like getting along with people.

Divide and conquer, man.

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I take offense that you'd assume I'd treat another person without such respect.

Never said that! Just stating my approach, is all.

If anything, I take slight offense that you think just because I advocate using respect and kindness in the fave of adversity that I am somehow a police mouthpiece or sympathizer. That's a logical jump, for sure.

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Obviously.

Granted, that post using some naughty keywords was not a clever idea.

Your handling of the possible set-up ended up quite well for you. Perhaps a newspaper could be interested in digging about this suicide, check the facts on this possible non-real identity? Mh, no, that would involve spending resources on investigation and possibly pissing off some agency, so guess that won't be happening soon.

The goal of surveillance and intimidation is of course self-censoring. They are doing quite a good job.

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Google Translate:

According to preliminary information, Nadeem called his mom and would have said that his dream was to meet Machu Picchu and then fulfill it would commit suicide. Given this warning, his family contacted the embassy of Peru and their representatives with the Tourism Police.

Holy shit. So that's why she wanted the substance? That would be hell of a coincidence, though.

that's nuts

And fake.

Maybe you shouldn't be such a bratty little cunt on the internet...

You should never talk to the police! If they come back make sure you video it. I wouldn't even answer the door though. If they have a warrant they will just come in anyway, might as well not make it easy for them. Again don't ever talk to them!

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I understand you don't want your door broken down, but if they do break it down without a warrant, because of a reddit comment, you should have an easy lawsuit.

I have no reason not to cooperate with them.

You should really watch this video, as should everyone. You have every reason in the world not to cooperate with them. Especially if you've done nothing wrong.

https://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc

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Trust me I know in the heat of the moment it's much easier just to give in to their unlawful threats (especially if you don't like conflict, like myself) When you consent to letting them in your house, they can use any "evidence" they find against you though. If they come in without your consent (or a warrant) any "evidence" they find should be thrown out if it were to go to court.

I'm only trying to help incase it happens again. Please watch the video I linked when you have the time.(it's a must watch) It will clearly explain why the chances of being 'set up' go through the roof if you cooperate with the police, even if you have nothing to hide. Especially if they are really trying to make you out as a terrorist because of a reddit comment.

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they deemed it an 'exigent threat' at which point I conceded.

They lied to you and tricked you, which they are allowed to do. Some Reddit comments do not deem an exigent threat.

Of course if I really had such a device it would be very dumb for police to knock and find out if it was true.. they knew it wasn't.

You even admitted that they knew the comments weren't true.

Anyways I'll leave you alone. If you have really watched that video and still think it's in your best interest to talk to police without a lawyer (when they are trying to set you no less) by all means please do.

do you have any proof any of this happened besides we just taking your word?

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Surprise surprise, Top Tards of Reddit are fellating eachother about this.

Not surprising for a group that jacks eachother off to Abu Ghraib torture pictures.

I guess they ran out of puppies to torture and cop boots to lick.

It's only a matter of time till they brigade this post then eh

Maybe I should knock off the shit I do. I make racist comments to rile people and laugh when they comment.

costra rica is where i am headed...F*** the west...

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My god, the fbi is so fucking stupid.

You're brave, my friend. Sounds like you dealt with it well. It's important for people to know that the government can and will subpoena your IP if they want to fuck with you. Not trying to scare anyone into self-censorship, just don't leave yourself open to it.

I work for an ISP, tier 1 tech support. I got a call from a DHS agent wanting to be connected to legal because they had a suspicious IP they wanted more info on. That was interesting.

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Where could possibly be more free than Canada? I mean, I know we have our faults.

I'm just being realistic here.

Most of the world has varying levels of freedom, you would be surprised the amount of freedom you are given in Europe (or even South America) as opposed to North America. Of course you lose some in certain aspects, while you gain in other aspects.

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Costa Rica it is then. Good luck, there are more of us everyday.

Interesting. Police state... Banks run the world.they really really want to control dissent

daddy boob?

dodgy bomb?

You can't be suicided. You either commit suicide or you died.

"death by apparent suicide, but suspected to be homicide" is way too long to type out over and over.

On the other hand should we really be sending police to investgate every post like this online?

That's not how bureaucracies work. Someone obviously reported OP, leaving police with the option of assuming that it is nothing and leaving it alone, or following up. If they don't follow up and something bad happens, whoever decided to not bother investigating is well and truly fucked. As a consequence, you need to anticipate interaction with the cops if you're going to post stuff like that online.

hint I it was credible it wouldnt be posted online

People talk about all kinds of stupid stuff online, even when it presents a potential risk to their future liberty.

All the overtime.. In Canada being a cop is the easiest job.. Drive around.. Cell phone tickets to drivers.. Tim Hortons coffee.. Do some. Steroids

I understand you don't want your door broken down, but if they do break it down without a warrant, because of a reddit comment, you should have an easy lawsuit.

I have no reason not to cooperate with them.

You should really watch this video, as should everyone. You have every reason in the world not to cooperate with them. Especially if you've done nothing wrong.

https://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc