He banned Wide and George over all that? That's a bridge too far IMO, they weren't even the ones driving the controversy. You might wan to check on at least 3rdeyenavigator (I think that's what it was) to see if they were banned too. None of us knew it was done without discussion between the mods first, I would liked to have seen community discussion too, but I honestly don't care that much, some of you are far more hung up on the collective guilt nonsense than I am. From my perspective this all smacked of another contrived controversy to depose mods here, but again I don't buy into the collective guilt trope, so the whole thing didn't offend me like it did others apparently.

Flytape using it as an excuse to ban wideawake and George (again) is offensive to me.

Also that image, it clearly came out in the threads, was this entire image, but the person who likely sent that to you was only sharing a partial, which made it seem even more contrived.

http://i.imgur.com/HDLcuLP.jpg

Are you and pals going to apologize for your antics towards me?

All I want is for us as a community is to be united and represented responsibly — that's why I targeted flytape.

I cannot trust a 1 month old account which has spent most of it's time on this sub calling for a mod witch hunt.

Account age is irrelevant when the up votes loudly and clearly show the community agrees.

I pretty much don't trust votes on reddit as a bellweather for anything.

After all your time here I don't why you would either.

Erm the upvotes on his comment aren't visible yet so which upvotes exactly are you talking about? Any long term users want to add their thoughts?

Erm, I'm talking about the original post, genius. Account age is a strawman. My point is valid, and you can't just write me off because I'm using a new account.

I wasn't talking about you though. Did you forget to change accounts back to the commenter I originally replied to?

Sure, bud.

Well if I'm wrong at least have the decency to explain your previous comment.

My comment:

Account age is irrelevant...

I'm using a 2 month old account. You reply directly to me:

...Any long term users want to add their thoughts?

My reply:

...My point is valid, and you can't just write me off because I'm using a new account.

You:

I wasn't talking about you though.

Me:

Sure, bud.

I see, I didn't look at your account so you can understand my confusion.

Back to the original topic: We at r/conspiracy know that there are accounts and users with the sole purpose of disrupting our community and trying to make us look ridiculous. Therefore account age and more importantly content is the only way we as regulars can tell if the user is serious or not. You can therefore understand why I cannot trust a 1 month old account telling us which mods need to be removed and making so much noise about something that is for the mods to discuss.

If you read the post above — flytape abuses his banning abilities.

That doesn't really fit as an answer to my previous comment.

No, actually you targeted them both, and AATA is one of the best we have here and you are still a new account and I still don't trust you, but like I told you yesterday, when that day comes that I feel like I can, even just a little bit, I will mea culpa. My antics only matched your own buddy.

I have nothing to hide, why don't we become friends and contribute to the community? We could make some great progress if we approached it responsibly and maturely.

Interested in certain AMA guests, if so, list em!

Let's try and work together on this. It's better to bring people together than to drive them apart.

Exactly! It is a great idea and with the insight and input of everyone here I think it can really do a lot of good for this sub.

Divide and conquer is an effective method to weaken those groups that you don't like or agree with. I am a little concerned that is what is happening here. The accounts which have been most vocal about removing mods and posting on this subject were a month old and I cannot help but wonder if this was, if not orchestrated, capitalised upon by people who want to degrade and weaken our sub. Time will tell.

Oldest disruption trick in the book. This reaks.

Fact

I really hope that wasn't the case, and hope I didn't feed into it if it was. I assure you that my opposition was organic and legitimate, but stepping back now and looking at it when I'm not so emotional, I can definitely see how people could think this. I apologize again if I unknowingly assisted in this, and hope we can all move forward together and produce a 1st class podcast we all (at least the real users who care about this sub) can be proud of.

I didnt listen to it for too long, but their conversations were good imo, and another podcast could be in order. Maybe james corbett can do something

I would be surprised if corbett would want to associate himself with anything related to that first video.

Hes already done an ama. Strawman

Ah neat. Not sure what you mean about straw man.

I don't think an ama is quite the same as associating with a podcast that launched like this one did. :/

I like James Corbett and I like the idea of interacting with him, but I am trying to be somewhat realistic here. This video was silly. The mask, the production value, the boring meta-reddit content, the fact that it presented itself as /r/conspiracy's official podcast without engaging the community or even the bulk of the mod team, the banning of the moderator, upvoted allegations that it was intended to make the sub look bad, etc. All of this makes it a series that any smart person would stay away from.

Now maybe if it were done right, either as an official podcast of the subreddit, or an official podcast of the moderator team as a whole, then with some quality episodes/productions then it would be something Corbett would be interested in engaging with. Right now though it is just a debacle, unfortunately.

I could be wrong. I would enjoy the podcast much more if he were in it. Just saying that without changes and considerable increase in quality I don't see it happening with this particular podcast.

Agreed. I'm disappointed my post created division but it had to be done.

You're not going to participate at all in the community going forward. You're here on an alt trying to create a witchhunt. You dont fool anyone dude.

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You did that yesterday, it doesn't reveal anything. Nice witchhunt, congratulations on your success.

No thanks.

I never wanted a moderator who performed poorly. The community agreed he is an irresponsible person with bad judgement.

Stop explaining away this fact and please realize you're just rejecting the the basic truth: flytape was a terrible moderator

Yeah he did actually. I was removed from the mod team.

If dong actually believes in this obvious disinfo troll op, then perhaps it was for the best.

It wasn't just this persons actions, it was banning George and WideAwake, that got FT removed.

About time flytape gets removed from this sub. For all his rhetoric about "free speech" he sure loves banning people that disagree with him. And this is not even getting into all the other controversies he's stirred up over the past years.

Thanks for the post mr_dong.

Have /u/WideAwakeNWO and /u/George_Tenet been reinstated as well?

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I'm sure they appreciate it.

I can assure you (from my point if view as someone who missed this whole thing until yesterday afternoon) that this really just paints specific users as being unprofessional, not really a sub-wide issue.

To me (at least) it didn't look like this was something officially sanctioned, and in the scheme of things, the dust will settle on this and in a few weeks you, I, and the rest of the users here can chuckle about what a silly idea it was.

Oh well.

Thank you

I'd like to give a big thank you to Mr. Dong for his leadership on this issue. I also want to apologize publicly to /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway, /u/TheGhostOfDusty, and /u/FlyTape. It really is out of character for me to get so emotional over a post that I start to take it personally, and then start attacking others personally, even when someone disagrees To all of you guys, please accept my sincere apologies.

In terms of the podcast, I really agree with Mr. Dong, that if it is going to have /r/conspiracy in the name, we all should get to have input into the format and content of the podcast, which was really my biggest complaint from the beginning.

If AATA or FlyTape had stickied the post BEFORE the show, with something like: Hey /r/conspiracy I Want to Do a Weekly Podcast, What Would You Guys Like to See in it? Or something to that effect, and allowed everyone to give their insight and ideas into the project first, I really think the end product would have been better for this community.

I was actually quite disturbed that I had been banned without any warning or notification by FlyTape, and again I wanted to say thank you to Mr. Dong for reversing it. I will make it a point to really make sure from this point on not to get so emotional over a post again where it gets to the point of attacking others even if they've attacked me.

If AATA or FlyTape had stickied the post BEFORE the show

Again, they did.

They didn't do it well then because this heap of shit masquerading as a podcast was unexpected by nearly everyone, including their fellow mods.

No, I meant like a week or so before, as in enough time for everyone to comment and contribute. An hour before hand is not really enough time for most people. It's all good though, I hope I didn't offend you in anyway yesterday, I'm truly sorry if I did. I thought we had a pretty good conversation, just don't know if you saw it the same way I did.

...I meant like a week or so before...

If this had been hyped for a week, authoritarians from all over the place would have been in here trolling and witch hunting instead of just the one or two with their multiple accounts.

I'm truly sorry...

Don't worry, you weren't that nasty to me, and I have thick skin. Apology accepted. Did you repeatedly call /u/Flytape a 'Nazi' though? And can you please explain this to me?

I am not certain that it is best to choose a defeatist attitude when trying out a new project like this. Stickying a post asking for topic suggestions and the like might have some bullshit trolls, but the benefit of having potentially more community input outweighs the cost of having some trolls or propagandists in the comments.

I agree with the opposition to witch hunting. When everyone is pointing fingers at other people, it just disrupts shit. Yeah it's plausible that people here are trying to intentionally disrupt stuff, and the best we can do is adopt civil and rational discussion on topics, focusing on the content and arguments rather than getting all rabid every other minute.

Why won't you talk about this?

Because I can't confirm whether the information is legit or not. Honestly it sounds made up from what I can gather at this point.

It was April 1st. Thanks for responding.

thank you for your honesty and candor, mr. dong.

Thank you, /u/mr_dong for stepping up.

There's nothing wrong with someone speaking their mind, but when you attempt to represent a large group of individuals, some collaboration should have taken place.

I don't get into the "meta drama" much. I didn't watch the podcast, didn't read the related threads, so I can't comment on the content.

My main concern here is that this sub has MANY enemies, and no doubt they're celebrating this mess, and DROOLING at the possibility of having an opportunity to insert one of their boys into a mod position here so that they can control the content.

Beware.

and no doubt they're celebrating this mess

Yup, check out the top post on SRD if you dare.

I'm not pleased with how this all went down.

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but I feel the cancer of reddit would of found any reason to shit on /r/conspiracy regardless of the podcast

Exactly, check the users who were complaining the hardest, they were cancer or month old account's on alts linked to cancer.

No they weren't. I was complaining as well and I've been here for close to 5 years. There is no excuse for a mod pinning their own material to the front page when no one else has that power except mods. Flytape has constantly been embroiled in controversy and I have been banned by him myself for simply saying things he didn't like.

You have only had an account for 5 months, does that mean your posts should be considered cancer if I don't agree with them?

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It could have been a brigade for sure but the fact that the podcast was so remarkably bad, I think it could have just as easily been organic.

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I don't know, the whole thing is really cringey, I don't think you'd need to fabricate opposition to it...

Yet they did. Guess they thought the witch hunt needed help getting off the ground.

Witch hunt? These guys spent three hours bitching about the most meta-of-meta crap on Reddit. Three fucking hours of whine. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. So much sand in these dudes' panties, why would anyone need to "witch hunt?"

Good question, why did they feel the need to witch hunt? Why did they spend so much time and energy misleading people into thinking the podcast was supportive of Nazism? Why all the lies and gnashing of teeth?

I also hate Flytape for legitimate reasons (i.e. he was a terrible mod).

No you don't. You hate me because you got banned for acting like a 3 year old.

Water under the bridge.

Or maybe he got banned for violating your white-supremacist BS views? You are one to support holocaust revisionism and protect white genocide criers.

Hahaha. What are you even talking about? This account has never been banned buddy.

I hate you because I spoke to you and other mods specifically about problems I had with trolls in this sub, and you were the only person that acted like an asshole to me about it. I mean, hey, at least you replied, so kudos for that??

This guy is insane, he has persecution fantasies about you.

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This is the sort of rhetoric that makes us look immature and childish. Speak like you would expect to be spoken to, if you disagree with him state why in a normal manner so you can discuss it constructively.

Hey Flytape, I can't help but feel this was somehow orchestrated. Can you let me know who's idea the podcast was and how it came about? I really think you were the fall guy in this situation since you were a long time /r/consipratard target.

month old account's

Less than 3 months old, and they all had the highest upvotes bitching about the podcast. It's pretty obvious they are just engaging in concern trolling.

Account age is an age-old (pun intended) strawman. This account is 2 months old, but I've been an /r/conspiracy regular for 5 ish years. I can assure you I was not 'concern trolling'. The fact that the podcast purported to speak for this sub aside, it was shitty, poorly executed and embarrassing in its own right. 90% of the top posts here in the last month have been decrying mod abuse; that those 2 mods would pull this shit and then downplay the outrage of the community is fucked up. Mods are supposed to be trusted stewards of their subreddits, and represent the views of the subscribers. I liken this debacle to a crooked politician saying one thing to get elected and then doing whatever the fuck they want once in office. We can champion free speech all we like, but the reality is, if we aim to 'wake people up', then we need to be aware of how we present ourselves. Hitler snoo and a fucking dick-nosed gimp mask are not helpful. This was a stunt, pure and simple, and it's about fucking time /u/Flytape was sent packing. How the fuck are we supposed to be taken seriously as a sub when our own mods are trolling us? If there's one thing I despise, it's smugness, and the attitude of /u/Flytape in particular was exactly that: smug. Thank you, /u/mr_dong, for doing right by the users of this sub.

You're a very intelligent individual.

Thanks for voicing your opinion.

I was complaining pretty hard, would you say I am cancer? I don't agree with you, and think there was some legitimate people with legitimate concerns there, but oh well, it's over now.

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Ok cool, thanks for clarifying that for me. I try hard not to be a rabble rouser here as much as I possibly can, and I definitely got a little too emotional yesterday and let me anger seep out. I just want to be sure that I'm not viewed as a cancer here.

I second Nerf_Gun_Hero.

I disagree: I think by default this sub should not have a podcast/voice that is any way "official". Regardless of the specifics of this attempt, the nature of 'conspiracy' cannot support a single voice and therefore all content should be unofficial submissions. ANY attempts to create/curate a singular "r/conspiracy podcast" would SURELY result in infighting and make us vulnerable to divide-and-conquer.

We are our own worst enemy in situations like this, so we shouldn't put ourselves in them.

I meant I second him for mod

I think you would be a good mod nerf

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nah diplomatic mods are the best kind. Its the loose cannons who create drama.

Do you realize that the image you're referring to here has been edited by those that are always trying to cause trouble in this sub? This is the original which was discussed a bit here. It was actually an image pointing to the Hitlerian attitudes of those at the #modtalk IRC channel.

I agree with the idea that the podcast should have been at least discussed with the mod team prior to posting it. It most certainly should have either been posted as regular link without being stickied or gotten the mod team's approval.

By the same token, you should have discussed Flytape's removal with the mod team. What's good for the goose...

I wholeheartedly disagree with removing Flytape as a mod. If it weren't for him we'd be completely overrun with the anti-/r/Conspiracy group. There are only a few of them but they've got so many alt accounts that they make it look like there's way more of them than there actually are. Flytape is probably the best mod we have at spotting and removing those alts. It's the same group that's been trying to get mods removed ever since I've been here and, sadly, they've been successful in a few cases. Luckily, they haven't been successful in getting one of their own group installed as a mod... yet.

I have no problem with calling out Flytape and AATA and possibly even censuring them with a reduction in mod abilities for a period of time. I do have a problem with removing either of them.

Once again, I'm quite disappointed that you've fallen for the tactics of those that wish to subvert this sub. I'm also a bit disappointed that some of our better, regular subscribers have fallen for them too.

Finally, this sub is likely the most controversial Reddit sub. We're used to it and we should embrace it. Controversy is good for this sub. It's probably one of the biggest reasons for our growth over the years.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Thanks for this SM, well said.

why hasnt /u/flytape been reinstated? i dont always agree with him but i think you need someone like him in the team. i feel that outside pressure has had too much influence in this situation. out of all the shit that SRD and TMOR do & think, you pick this as an emergency?? fuck me dead, i could think of 12 other things that are more important. this shit shouldve been sorted out behind the scenes, out of the public eye, then screencapped and shared in a sticky. this public trial is fucking bullshit.

You're a moderator of 911tuth yet passionately defend and support flytape?

I am so disappointed.

You're a moderator of 911tuth yet passionately defend and support flytape?

I'm passionately defending /r/Conspiracy. I've always defended all of its mods against attacks (except for one that actually went into r/conspiratard and asked for advice on how to run our sub) The fact that other mods and I disagree on some things is irrelevant.

This is the problem with fascists. They cannot tolerate opposing views.

Maybe in the future just submit this sort of thing as if it was a regular user submission instead of stickying it. On projects like these the first attempts are usually pretty rough, so the quality doesn't bother me as much as the fact that it was stickied (even submitting with a mod highlight is kind of sketchy). Just submit it and let the community upvote it as we see fit.

Thank you.

Luckily we still have the video.

Memories........

I don't understand how people can't get past the birdman mask. I truly enjoyed it while at the same time I didn't agree with quite everything they said. I guess people couldn't do the same? Don't understand all the hate but that tends to happen when people don't get what they want.

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I guess my point is if you cant get over a mask and background for anonymity how seriously are you taking this sub reddit to begin with? I feel like you're trying to discredit the podcast by attacking the mask and background and NONE of the actual content. Your gripe is with the presentation and not the content which boarders trolling.

No, I'm saying that if you wear a clown outfit, people are going to think you're a clown.

What content was there? Can you tell me what information was presented to community? The only thing I heard was a persecution complex and further bitching about Reddit.

What was the point of the video in the first place?

I'm not a racist.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Breath HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA thanks for that laugh..

Conspiratard, SRD, circlejerker from Snoonet.

Defamation is disgusting. Shame on you.

Shame you caught your breath, go choke your way back to /r/isrconspiracyracist and whine and bitch about how your feelings are hurt.

Aww are you mad bro...

Thanks for this post. I do think that podcasts are a cool idea, but we should organize them individually, without claiming to represent the whole sub.

/u/mr_dong , I appreciate your actions and find them entirely appropriate and correct based on the actions displayed by these individuals.

You know I'm diehard against alien theories, but that is why I respect you, because you don't push your own personal agenda by manipulating content or any other nefarious means.

I am a mod of 8 other very inactive subs, have been a member of reddit for 6 years, and have been active here for at least 4.

Once again, as I have stated in the past, I would be more than glad to lend a hand where I can as a mod.

I may have missed this answer somewhere, but is there a reason that FlyTape is banned for banning users unilaterally without due cause, but AssuredlyAThrowAway gets to stick around even though he was an equal part of this failed podcast and even unilaterally over turned the actions of a mod higher on the list? Sounds like that guy needs to get the boot as well for the sake of this community.

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I think it's hilarious that these faux-outrage trolls are sooo concerned about the credibility of this subreddit, and then they go and appeal to you who have an alien head flair. It's so obvious that you're being played Mr Dong.

LOL, are you really trying to compare an alien to Hitler? That's not even close to being an equal comparison.

This sub will surely be a lot better off without FlyTape, and again I would refer you to the overwhelmingly positive support Mr. Dong has received from this community after doing it to prove my point.

This sub will surely be a lot better off without FlyTape

I don't agree with his decision to ban you, but we've all made mistakes, and I'm certainly no exception. We just peoples.

I rarely ban users (maybe 3 or 4 ever), and a few times I've banned folks that in retrospect was not the correct call and I admitted my error in judgment.

As someone who has incurred the wrath of the cancerous subs like SRD and conspiratard many times in the past, things can get really rough when these type of storms are a brewing.

That being said, only /r/conspiracy mods can see the sheer amount of work that actually goes on behind the scenes to make this place what it is (whether you like what "it is" or not).

Flytape worked his butt off for this sub, and I've really seen it over the last couple years.

Just because we don't always see eye to eye doesn't mean I don't respect the work he's put into this place.

This entire incident has played precisely into the hands of those who get their shits and giggles out of sowing discord amongst the legitimately inquisitive and intelligent folks that actually do frequent this sub.

the overwhelmingly positive support Mr. Dong has received from this community

See I'm actually not convinced by this.

Some very suspicious users very vocally jumped on this bandwagon, and I'm extremely suspicious of the way the voting has gone in all of these threads, especially compared to "regular" /r/conspiracy threads. It's likely that an unprecedented amount of brigading has taken place.

I'm sorry you were (very) temporarily banned, but I hope you realize that one moderator's mistake doesn't reflect the entire mod team (and the sub in general).

I also hope you realize that we should be allowed to make mistakes, as long as we learn from them.

If every /r/conspiracy mod was ousted after each mistake, we would never learn anything and the mod team would be full of inexperience.

I've made quite a few mistakes in my time as a mod here, but I've never made the same mistake twice.

We're all in this together.

Don't let them drive a wedge between us.

Sorry I missed this post earlier. I do want to be absolutely clear that I did not in any way ask for the removal of FlyTape as a mod in my message to Mr_dong, only that he reinstate me. This was his decision entirely.

I can certainly understand the hard work he's put in here, but I think if you look at FlyTape's comments, you'll see that even before this episode, he had already lost the confidence of this sub, and his comments were consistently was down voted, and not just a little. Also his comment to other mods calling those who objected to it as "A bunch of uptight bitches" proves he is completely close-minded on anyone who disagrees with his point of view, which is absolutely not who I want as a mod here.

Whether that was caused organically or not, I don't have any way of knowing. Also I'll ask you the same question I asked him, which was by him being a moderator here, and going on the premiere podcast of the sub in mask, did he really think that this would help the sub, or hurt it? The Hitler snoov, did he think that flashing that was going to help this sub, or hurt the sub? Did the Richard Gage AMA fiasco help this sub, or hurt this sub? There's a very clear and convincing pattern of him doing impulsive things which end up hurting the image of this sub. Again, whether this is entirely organic or not, I don't know.

I also think the fact that he banned 3 different users in a single day, which as you've stated you've banned on 3 or 4 ever, indicates to me that he was abusing his power as a mod and punishing those who didn't agree with him. If you saw George_Tenet comment which got him banned, I can't imagine you not agreeing. I certainly went overboard in my comment, but he could have just deleted it, and issued me a warning like any other responsible mod would have done, who wasn't looking to retaliate.

This entire incident has played precisely into the hands of those who get their shits and giggles out of sowing discord amongst the legitimately inquisitive and intelligent folks that actually do frequent this sub.

I too saw the usual suspects laughing and carrying on about this, and this is truly unfortunate, however it is to be expected from that crowd. This is the entire purpose is to be a reactionary sub to /r/conspiracy. They have always done this, and they will always continue to do this. I would much rather see these guys talking and laughing amongst themselves, then I would seeing a Washington Post journalist write a hit piece on this sub with a picture of one of the moderators in a mask flashing a Hitler snoov.

I'm sorry you were (very) temporarily banned, but I hope you realize that one moderator's mistake doesn't reflect the entire mod team (and the sub in general).

No absolutely not. I think very highly of all the current mods here, and in the very few times which I've interacted with any of the mods, you guys have always been very professional in the way you handle things. In fact, before that post, I can't remember ever having an interaction with FlyTape, either good or bad.

I also hope you realize that we should be allowed to make mistakes, as long as we learn from them. If every /r/conspiracy mod was ousted after each mistake, we would never learn anything and the mod team would be full of inexperience.

I completely agree with you, and had I have been the senior mod who handled this instead of Mr_Dong, I probably would have handled it internally myself, but I am not, and again I want to be absolutely clear that I did not in any way ask for him to ban FlyTape, warn him, or punish him in anyway. My message to him was simply appealing my ban, and asking him to reinstate me.

You're responsible for a fake AE9/11 AMA.

Your credibility is null.

LOL, are you really trying to compare an alien to Hitler?

I'm having a hard time beleiving that you're really this dense. Satire is NOT supportive. Why do you keep pretending that he supports Hitler?

This sub will surely be a lot better off without FlyTape

This sub will be a trollfest, like it was when he left briefly a while ago.

again I would refer you to the overwhelmingly positive support ... from this community

You seem to have no idea how public perception manipulation works.

• https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations By Glenn Greenwald

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6QR_w_QnaQ

Well I'm not sure how it happened, but I feel this was a psyop from the get go to get rid of flytape. He has long been a target and I guess job well done.

I don't really see how a video flytape was voluntarily part of would be part of an operation to have him demodded. I'd rate this is as a class-2 conspiracy theory at best.

I do, he was on a hitlist from conspiratard for years. His relaxed stance towards non kosher conspiracies has made him a target.

I would like to know who coached him into this podcast and who did the editing.

hmm. I suppose that is plausible. My impression of this whole thing is that flytape is either intentionally trying to provide ammunition to lob at "conspiracy theorists" or that he is just kind of out of touch with reality.

If it's the latter, then i suppose it's a possibility... this would mean whoever else was involved in this process, whether it is the other moderator or someone else who convinced flytape to wear the mask and be video recorded, intended for it to look asinine. If flytape signed off on the finished product, which it seemed like he did, that consent includes the background stuff, the weird video effects.

But I suppose if he is as naive as I am supposing, then he may have accepted that it wouldn't be a big deal, that those effects were cool, and its about the discussion and topics and that those are what is important.

I really wish that we could get on top of the idea that appearances matter. We all seem to accept that propaganda and public relations are controlling people, and that it affects people's perceptions of conspiracy theories and criticism of the status quo, but time and again there is stuff like this that just says "fuck it, they're going to treat me like I'm crazy anyways so I'll just go ahead and look crazy, and hope that my message still gets to those who need to hear it"

I dunno. Either way, I think it may be for the best for the subreddit that he was removed. I wish that there were some changes in place to prevent this sort of debacle from happening in the future.

edit: for the record, I'd be comfortable amending my assessment of it from a class-2 theory to a class-3.

I find it silly and unprofessional that you state your personal opinion in a such a official post. Since this is the only answer from the mods on the podcast it looks unproffesional for us normal r/conspiracy redditors to see a personal attack on the podcast's format and content.

Being a moderator isn't a job, grow up.

I can't thank you enough for understanding the severity of the situation. I want to reiterate to the community that my approach was transparent and in no way was I ever accusing Flytape of being a shill. He and his friends constantly harassed me rather than addressing the issues everyone else was angry about.

Instead they took it out on me with constant threats in Private messaging, calling me a troll, shill, and a even going as far as saying I'm manipulating all the votes. The worst part was one of the harassers was a moderator here, and he constantly accused me of being a paid government shill while attempting to bait me into a ban.

I'm glad the community's voice was heard and I hope we become more understanding and aware how important credibility and execution are when spreading our ideas and that moderators represent the community as a whole.

Flytape was irresponsible and aggressive. That's why I created the thread PSA for /r/Conspiracy: Last night a controversial mod here performed a major disservice to the community as a whole. Luckily my voice was heard and it was quickly removed. You may have missed what happened — check it out and let's come up with a solution together. [Serious]

I did my best to entitle it responsibly but I do apologize for being very aggressive. I took it personally as a subversive act and felt like "civil disobedience" was in order.

Edit: do not become divided and I hope there isn't any retaliation against me personally. Peace out and happy egg-bunny-zombie Jesus day! Mimosa time.

Job well done agent provocateur.

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Stop harassing me

/u/SovereignMan

He's violated rules falsely accusing me and has been harassing me for days

You are harassing me.

/u/AssuredlyAThrowAway

And you've repeatedly attacked me since I responded in defense of the podcast in the original thread. What kind of hypocritical person are you?

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You seem to post more frequently to /r/conspiritard then you do here, and are likely trolling this post.

Heaven forbid I believe in sarcasm or satire..

Horrible move. The podcast was actually a nice insight into the mod cliques by 2 people who have seen it firsthand. The trolls yesterday were indeed, disinfo trolls who were trying to witchhunt flytape. This was an extremely idiotic decision by you.

Nice try. Hitler lover is done, deal with it.

The hitler snoovatar was made as an inside joke towards the snoonet mods who don't let conspiracy members into modtalk. This has already been explained a thousand times, yet your fuzzy little brain still can't get it.

Aww aren't you cute going to bat for a guy on the internet. Bye!

Nice job ignoring the point. Yeah, you're not disingenuous at all.

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He's a racist? Citation needed.

You seriously have never seen him shut down people for calling out the racists? Really? Oh wait, maybe it's cuz you have only been here for 12 days. Sorry man.

Oh, as opposed to your 1 month? It's called shadowbans, just like I'm sure has happened to you. I've been around for pretty much every "flytape drama", and almost every time it's been withhunting losers like you who take a bunch of shit out of context and carry the pitchforks.

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So, you're here on one of your alts, which is a spongebob worthy offense, jsut to circlejerk your flytape hate. Outstanding. Head back to SRD and conspiratard.

If you take the time to look thru my entire comment history, you'll see I have no posts in either of those subs. Yes, I am here to dance on his old mod parking spot. Fair enough, got me there.

Yeah but you just admitted you've been banned by him before, so this is an obvious alt of yours.

We're both on alts. Who cares? My main was unbanned last time Flytape lost his spot. He quickly rebanned me as soon as he got back into position. For no reason. So yes, again, I am here to dance all over the place watching him get the fuck out for good. I'm not here to get into petty back n forths, Im here to party.

No, this is my new account, since my other account is SB'ed and rendered useless. You were just banned from conspiracy, not the admins. You're highly suspicious, have offered no proof of your slander or libel, so I'm gonna tag you as SRD and conspiratard and wish you a good day.

So you didn't bother to check my history? Just gonna make an assumption based on no evidence, even tho the evidence is readily available? Is this a joke?

I was banned by an ex mod with a shit rep, you got SB for violating site wide rules, LOL. Come on man.

That's right, because you did nothing but beat the "le racist leterally hitler" drum without offering any evidence.

You're trolling right?

So.....no evidence? Good day.

Evidence of what? The obvious? what do you expect me to have? Troll on bro. Happy easter!

edit: yay being brigaded in this thread. well played, dudes.

Well this is clearly bullshit. mr_dong has always been suspect with his agenda. Very interesting. This whole things stinks of manipulated drama.

Yep. It was all just a witchhunt and taking everything out of context for disinfo.

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Not as interesting as your spam and your die hard support for censorship. You don't fool everyone OWNtheNWO copycat.

Hahaha OWNtheNWO copycat? You really don't know how much of a compliment that is to me. I am honored to be mentioned in the same sentence as them.

Jesus.

The longer the post is stickied the uglier it is going to get. I've already noticed the tone of the thread change pretty drastically.

Agreed, I've unstickied it.

Another unilateral decision, woohoo. So good to see a team working together.

The fact that this thing has blown up and made such a mess should kind of demonstrate that unstickying it is a conservative and wise choice.

So actually the opposite is true.

The rule is we need at least a 3-mod consensus before a sticky is made.

This post being stickied broke the rule, as only one mod made the decision to sticky.

I was actually doing the right thing, for the team, by removing this.

If that's how you need to look at it, then by all means.

/u/Mr_Dong

Whoa whoa whoa what the fuck is going on.

You're removing this from the front page without consulting the other mods? This is exactly what /u/Mr_Dong was talking about — in the very thread you're removing

This is repulsive.

You're removing this from the front page without consulting the other mods?

Nope. I unstickied it, and when I did it was #12 on the front page, and it continued to rise organically.

Our rule is that 3 mods need to approve of a sticky. This didn't take place in this instance, and I did the right thing by unstickying.

mr_dong himself deleted this post...I had nothing to do with it.

Take your misguided outrage elsewhere.

The irony

Get rid of /u/assuredlyathrowaway too and everything will be great.

Nah, he's normally a very good mod who has added a lot to this sub, Id definitely want him to stay around. The podcast is actually a really great idea and I hope he doesn't let this deter him from continuing the podcasts.

I second this ^

Why is the getting spam down voted? I'm genuinely curious as to why flytape was removed but not assuredlyathrowaway?

Because AATA didn't try and unjustly ban people. In 3 years you have 2 posts and 3 comments here I'm genuinely curious why you are so genuinely curious.

Ahhh that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up! The removal was due to power abuse, not the podcast. Got it.

Good on you for removing flytape. He banned me before for extremely specious reasons and was indignant and rude when I appealed it. He was definitely not a good fit here.

That being said, I would like to nominate myself as a new mod to take flytapes place. I am embarrassingly in tune with the meta discussion in this sub and I have had many posts that have been stickied and catalyzed much discussion, including the post that got solidwhetstone booted for asking /r/conspiratard advice on how to moderate this sub. I understand and respect the authority a mod has and would never abuse that authority to promote my own material. I spend way too much time in here and I think I could be an asset to the moderation team.

I am embarrassingly in tune with the meta discussion in this sub

I feel this is precisely why Flytape has been outed as a mod.

Maybe we will see less SRD posts... only time can tell.

Yeah, you can be embarrassingly in tune with the meta but completely out of touch with it at the same time. It's clear that Flytape thought that Nazi sympathizing was a sentiment that was shared by the majority in this community and he was wrong.

I understand the importance of never imposing what you think the community wants as a mod. This is a community and one person does not dictate the tone of discussion, the community does.

Flytape thought that Nazi sympathizing was a sentiment that was shared by the majority in this community and he was wrong.

IMHO misguidedly defending racism in the name of the first amendment, banning people left and right who did not agree with /u/Flytape and the rather pompous search for "cancer" was turning this once great sub into a shadow of its former self.

Let's hope the good times will return.

I'm extremely disappointed with this sticky, Mr. Dong.

I am also disgusted that your removed /u/flytape as a moderator without putting that decision to a vote of the modteam. That type of unilateral action is dangerous and makes me seriously consider the way in which this mod team is currently structured.

I think that there were certainly some valid concerns (and some very helpful suggestions) provided about the podcast (and flytape's choice of background screens) but I am hard pressed to believe that those gripes are enough for you, Mr. Dong, to buy into the concern trolling spearheaded by the digitalcartel of all people.

There was a clear (and quite organized) artificial opposition to the podcast in an attempt to undermine any attempt to expand the media presence of this sub.

That you would buy into that nonsense (after seeing some of the usernames behind the "complaints") is astounding and I would remind you that I spend nearly every waking hour working to make this subreddit better (modmail response time, having automod approve shadowbanned users, flairing reddit censorship, issues warnings for rule violations, etc), and to receive this type of disrespect for something that is in alpha (from one of our top mods as a sticky no less) is quite insulting.

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Yes, I apologize for my failure to properly go about introducing the podcast to the community.

I very much appreciate /u/WideAwakeNWO's sentiments regarding how a post could have been made (before the podtcast) asking for community input or questions, which would have allowed the discussion to more properly reflect the userbase of the subreddit. Perhaps, if the community will allow it, I will consider doing something like that in the future with a different guest.

The most disappointing aspect as i have said is the lack of communication with the rest of the mods, see if from everyone else's POV, how the fuck are supposed to know what you're going to do next?

It's a project I speardheaded and got quite involved with; and I do apologize for not keeping the rest of the mods in the loop.

For the record, if a user had PM'd the modmail with a request to sticky a similar podcast I would have been just as amicable (if not more so) to that idea.

My mistake I thought we had a standard of conduct here which includes not calling people a Nazi in response to every comment they make.

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You really removed him for banning people that were repeatedly lobbing defamatory attacks?

What are the agendas and hidden ideas you reference? Please share.

EDIT: *CRICKETS*

Repeatedly?source?

That's you

There was a clear (and quite organized) artificial opposition to the podcast in an attempt to undermine any attempt to expand the media presence of this sub.

Take it from a /r/topmindsofreddit and /r/conspiratard regular - I would love nothing absolutely nothing more than for you and /u/flytape to continue to embarrass yourselves, and I thought your podcast was the best thing to happen on reddit in recent months. I, too, am extremely disappointed with /u/mr_dong

Why do you associate yourself with hate groups?

It's a good laugh. When you have people who are at the same time arrogant and ignorant, it makes for fun viewing. Usually I don't browse there much, but every once in a while something like /r/conspiracy putting that Hitler documentary in the sidebar will just make my day, so it's worth keeping subscribed. I really was hoping for more podcast episodes with /u/flytape, but alas, a star that shines twice as bright fades twice as fast.

You claim it's all just lighthearted schadenfreude?

Look at the comment sections of any random posts in those hate groups you like so much. You'll see vitriol, anger, libel, denigration, faux-antisemitism, calls for death, etc.

I'm saying it's lighthearted shadeunfraude for me. Whether it is or not for others doesn't concern me. I mean, you are trying pretty hard to feel persecuted by a group a fraction of the size of /r/conspiracy, and your claims are ridiculous, but that's beside the point. For me it's entertainment, even if it veers into frustrating at times.

How in the fuck can you be mad at Mr. Dong for making a unilateral decision and removing Flytape if he was punishing Flytape for a history of unilateral decisions? And you make unilateral decisions all the time - this podcast being a perfect example! Can you please wake up and see your own hypocrisy for once?

I don't think anyone was questioning your motives in producing a podcast, or your dedication to this sub, you have always been one of the mods I have respected the most BECAUSE of your clear dedication to making this sub better on a daily basis.

I only questioned the execution of the new podcast series, and the fact that everyone, including your fellow mods apparently, were blindsided by the video and had absolutely 0 input into it. Do you really think if you would have put the idea of hosting FlyTape as your guest in the premier of the podcast to this sub before doing it, they would have approved of this idea?

I really respect you and what you have done here to this sub to make it better, and I want you to please know that I was not mad at you or the fact that you wanted to expand this subs media presence, quite the contrary actually. I was only upset because you didn't consult with anyone else about it before you did it, and had you have done so, we all could have helped you with it to make it better.

It's also a little insulting to me that you are writing off my opposition to this as an organized concern trolling by the digital cartel. I can't speak for anyone else but myself when I say I have never posted or had a single discussion with any users in digital cartel, let alone conspired with them to try and prevent this sub from expanding, and that my opposition to this podcast was strictly organic and completely legitimate.

Honestly, selfishness on my end probably had some part in it as well. I really like the idea, a lot, and know that I could have helped you and added a lot to it, in post production editing if nothing else. I was rather upset that I didn't have an opportunity to play a role in it, let alone even know it was happening until it was over.

I also think it's a bit ironic that you are upset that Mr. Dong didn't put removing FlyTape from a mod position without having a vote on it, while you and FlyTape created a new media channel representing all the conspiracy mods without telling them, let alone letting them vote on it.

Let's stop bickering about it though, and let's use all of the awesome users we have here to create a 1st class podcast which everyone here can proud of. Don't let the digitalcartel win if there truly is an attempt to silence you from expanding this subs media, let's keep it moving forward and learn from this incident.

In fact, I like the idea so much that I'm willing to fund some of the expenses with my own money, that's how much I believe in it. I think a new stickied post (which maybe replaces this one? ) is in order to brainstorm and gather ideas is in order. This is your idea and you should still be the one making the final decisions on it, I'm not interested in calling the shots but just helping where I can.

I was only upset because you didn't consult with anyone else about it before you did it, and had you have done so, we all could have helped you with it to make it better.

I entirely understand this sentiment, and I apologize for failing to more properly prepare for the trial podcast. Again, I am learning things along the way, and I cannot thank the community enough for their constructive feedback (setting aside the jokers out only to rile up the user base against the mods) which I hope will lead to a more productive, successful and professional series of podcasts in the future.

Honestly, selfishness on my end probably had some part in it as well. I really like the idea, a lot, and know that I could have helped you and added a lot to it, in post production editing if nothing else. I was rather upset that I didn't have an opportunity to play a role in it, let alone even know it was happening until it was over.

Well I hope you take this opportunity to join us on our open irc chat and furnish any suggestion you may have. We would also be honored to have you involved in post production.

I think a new stickied post (which maybe replaces this one? ) is in order to brainstorm and gather ideas is in order.

I certainly agree that this is the way to move forward with this. No reason to leave up this inflamtory sticky. What do you think of the idea suggested here by wideawarkenwo, /u/mr_dong?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Well, that's fine.

I'm tired of modding anyway. For what its worth wideawake was spamming personal attacks while I tried to explain to him the snitler image. I'm not a Nazi and he just kept repeating the same attack. George tenant was doing the same thing, DEA is and always has been a troll here.

This community is like a kindergarten full of entitled brats, everyone (minus about 20 normal people) wants the people they disagree with to follow the rules while they pester the fuck out of everyone else.

The concept that this community reflects on them personally and that for those reasons they need to limit what is acceptable to discuss here is stupid. We are all individuals on the internet and this subreddit is a catch-all.

This community will suffer with me gone from here but that's fine with me, I've got shit2do IRL.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/31folf/uflytape_is_a_member_of_a_secret_4chan_pedophile/cq1g1ot?context=3

Here is wide awake calling me a nazi , and the post deleted below is his emotional blowout that got him banned. I guess by Mr. Dongs standards I'm supposed to let people break the rules repeatedly after trying to talk sense into them.

Pretty shit move Mr. Dong.

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You are intelligent Flytape

You watched the video right?

i don't buy half of what i read about you

Good lord dude. Don't buy anything you read without sources and links proving it. Witch hunts don't need to be given the benefit of the doubt, ever, much less half the time. Shame.

Periodic internet reminder: "Person X said Terrible Thing Y" - unaccompanied by links or quotes - is often a lie.

• https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/584121464640540673

My message box has been inundated over the last 24

Because one witch hunter with multiple accounts kept spamming your username mention over and over. How do you not see that? Click 'context'.

everyone (minus about 20 normal people) wants the people they disagree with to follow the rules while they pester the fuck out of everyone else.

You advocated "muzzling" a group of people who disagree with you, and were well known to warn and ban people who had the audacity to call out racists for saying racist shit. All the while, you completely ignored rule breaking shill accusations happening daily.

Glass houses.

(minus about 20 normal people)

Those are the 20 that agree with him.

2 Month account

Good observation! Look at you, all perceptive. Do you enjoy reminding people of the age of their account? An odd hobby, I must say.

Spamming personal attacks? Try just one comment which hardly counts as spamming. In fact after I wrote it, I stopped posting all together and took a break because I didn't want to escalate it any further. The adult thing to do would have been to give me a warning first, but clearly that would be asking too much from you.

Why did you ban /u/George_Tenet who simply agreed with me? You are very quick to throw out the 1st Amendment when someone questions you, but quick to ban anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with you.

I'm actually going to leave now as just seeing your childish and immature responses have raised my blood pressure again. No need to respond, I'm out. Have a nice life dude....drops the mic.

Unfounded claims is your specialty. Go watch more Alex Jones

You need to chill out man. Stop harassing people and be cordial with us in conversation.

You have a tremendous history of banning people who politely speak out against the nazi element here, even when they break no rules. Then you go and put up the hitler bot for "lulz" on the podcast. Good riddance.

2 month account talking about history. The only history is flytape being assaulted by new accounts like yourself.

LOL, not sure if serious, or paid to show up and defend. His history speaks for itself. His vote tally speaks for itself. Peace.

Later dude

Edit: Hahaha, reading this response by you just solidified the fact that you were and always will be a terrible moderator. Some people can't handle it because their personal antics discredit and disrupt the overall community.

You sound incredibly immature and mentally unstable.

So Flytape violates the rules that he bans other users for and now this pathetic attempt at whining over Mr. Dong.

but I feel the cancer of reddit would of found any reason to shit on /r/conspiracy regardless of the podcast

Exactly, check the users who were complaining the hardest, they were cancer or month old account's on alts linked to cancer.

It could have been a brigade for sure but the fact that the podcast was so remarkably bad, I think it could have just as easily been organic.

I second Nerf_Gun_Hero.

I don't know, the whole thing is really cringey, I don't think you'd need to fabricate opposition to it...

I guess my point is if you cant get over a mask and background for anonymity how seriously are you taking this sub reddit to begin with? I feel like you're trying to discredit the podcast by attacking the mask and background and NONE of the actual content. Your gripe is with the presentation and not the content which boarders trolling.

I'm not a racist.

Ok cool, thanks for clarifying that for me. I try hard not to be a rabble rouser here as much as I possibly can, and I definitely got a little too emotional yesterday and let me anger seep out. I just want to be sure that I'm not viewed as a cancer here.

You seriously have never seen him shut down people for calling out the racists? Really? Oh wait, maybe it's cuz you have only been here for 12 days. Sorry man.

Yeah but you just admitted you've been banned by him before, so this is an obvious alt of yours.

No, this is my new account, since my other account is SB'ed and rendered useless. You were just banned from conspiracy, not the admins. You're highly suspicious, have offered no proof of your slander or libel, so I'm gonna tag you as SRD and conspiratard and wish you a good day.

Repeatedly?source?

Evidence of what? The obvious? what do you expect me to have? Troll on bro. Happy easter!

edit: yay being brigaded in this thread. well played, dudes.

Sure, bud.

That's you

I didnt listen to it for too long, but their conversations were good imo, and another podcast could be in order. Maybe james corbett can do something

I think you would be a good mod nerf

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You did that yesterday, it doesn't reveal anything. Nice witchhunt, congratulations on your success.

I would be surprised if corbett would want to associate himself with anything related to that first video.

Because I can't confirm whether the information is legit or not. Honestly it sounds made up from what I can gather at this point.