So, if you have anything to say about it say it here and now. Then we're going to move on

Basically, you're telling us we can say whatever we want, you're going to ignore it.

Really, this sub is a self-parody.

Ignored by the mods, heard by the community.

Just because a select few ignore what you have to say doesn't mean that what you have to say isn't worth saying.

the community has been saying this for literal years now though. nothing changes, sort of like the real world.

Basically, you're telling us we can say whatever we want, you're going to ignore it.

What was your first clue? When they reinstated a mod in a secret vote and then told us about it after the fact?

I was hoping the top comment would actually be someone saying something instead of bitching about being ignored.

Notice the disproportionate amount of up votes compared to every other comment in this thread? Clearly an attempt to rig the comment section.

Oh my god, that is ridiculous.

People really hate free speech.

Please, feel free to leave.

That's likely the goal of all this bullshit.

self-parody.

I don't think that means what you think at means.

Feel free to unsubscribe, stop reading, and most of all stop commenting.

As a community member I'm a little concerned by the whiny baby takeover. Where did this whiny baby army come from? Can you guys fuck off for a minute so we can talk about this like adults?

If you think this sub parodies itself then unsubscribe and don't come back because the last thing any community needs is reactionary idiots like you. ;)

Normal user checking in to agree with this guy.

Fuck this SRD cry baby bullshit. It's a laugh.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/31s30a/the_rconspiracy_podcast_drama_seems_to_have_come/

Look at the time that was posted. They want to make the drama something to talk about.

The shit is as transparent as could be. We're clearly dealing with top minds here.

Its all a game. Realize that and it becomes so much more enjoyable. Hell I have and its so much more entertaining now.

I used to think what I said was important. Then I realized it really wasn't. Just filler for the accountants at reddit mother ship.

Let them be this is how they entertain themselves. I find no harm in it.

Same thing the corporate media does? Not propaganda and consensus management at all, right?

What's a little perception management and social engineering between friends? It's not like reddit is the front page of the internet or anything, I mean come on.

Who knows and who cares? Man I have become the poster child for zoloft when talking about reddit. I deal with lego more. Its the only real topic and sub I care enough about to have a view I will defend if challenged

Mainly cause for the most part its a good sub with good people. Plus playing lego with my (6) years old tommrow son is a fucking blast. Debating the inner workings of reddit or bitching about a person that wants to become a mod for free really isn't.

This sub is full of hate and fucked upness lol. So many are quick to call you a shill or worse as soon as you don't agree with them. You post a link to defend your view and its from a shit site with no creditability to them.

The user base of this sub is what killed it. Not the mods. It was all the people that started posting shit about current news topics that devolved this sub. Used to be like an art bell coast to coast episode in here. I liked that. Then it became like an episode of Rush.

If you participated in the circle jerk you became accepted. I was sucked in too. Then I saw the truth one day and all this sub was about.

Its all a lie. They want you to be upset so you create more content. Happy people don't make for good posters. Everyone wants drama so they can think to them self that they are better then that. Truth is we are not.

Not a fucking one of us on this planet.

So many are quick to call you a shill

In my experience, not true. For every one person like that in this sub there's 6 downvoting him and telling him to shut the fuck up.

Been called one multiple times. No one said anything. But I won't say that's the norm.

I've been called one too, but that's a handful of needles somewhere inside of six acres of engaging conversation haystacks.

I really loathe the constant effort to smear this sub by people who can't even be bothered to participate and make it better.

Used to have the hatred bother me so much. These days I see its just others wanting to start and argument. I have come to think that most of the arguments are created so the reddit higher ups can get a bonus check.

I have resorted to answering messages only when I am working. If I do answer someone then I will be getting paid.

So many are quick to call you a shill or worse as soon as you don't agree with them.

I wonder why that is. Its not like the shills here aren't transparent as glass. Zio, big pharma, vaccine, GMO, holocaust, etc.

Does that effect you if you know about it?

I mean really do you have a savior complex that needs to be such that you have to save the whole of reddit?

Its a game to get you to participate. Generate content do it generate the strife that makes reddit money. Do it for free too ok?

Tag them and be done. That way you know forever. Well till you get shadowbaned, and have to make a new account. Then do it again so you stay busy. Lol.

You don't have to be captain save a hoe for all of us. If the ones that agree with them are so easily swayed fuckem let them munch on that propaganda.

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Third this.

I don't give a fuck what they do, say or believe as long as they don't censor my ability to share news I want to share with the community.

You can see them clearly in this thread, remember their names and now glance through posts made in the last 2 hours and you will notice multiple posts calling for him and the rest of our mods to be removed. This is clearly a brigade attempt to mess up our sub in any way they can. Frankly I would not be mad if Flytape banned these guys.

Mess up the sub because the community doesn't want moderators that ban people for no reason and act like 12 year old girls? How dare we want the moderators of the community to act like adults, instead they throw tantrums, attack members of the community, and ban people who disagree with them.

From a 3 day old account... You guys don't even try to look genuine.

Why would anyone risk their main account if they have seriously critical opinions?

Hell I will. I don't give a fuck. The people I care enough about I know in person.

Are you serious? It's /u/FlyTape, not the fucking NSA.

You know who makes accounts just to bitch about mods? Trolls from /r/subredditdrama, et al. Winy baby army go home.

...and then he deletes his name... way to show standards there buddy.

Because they're a bitch and afraid to stand up.

says 3 day redditor /u/ganjadon75

You guys are pathetic. The sub you undoubtedly crawled out of is the worst about banning dissenting users. Typical of you people, everyone else should have rules you can abuse.

This user here is the voice of reason. Great coment.

Someone's mad that the holocaust is a gross exaggeration full of lies.

Here is my two cents. I felt mr_dong made the appropriate decision after Flytape swung the ban hammer out of spite. I do not think a mod that compromises his ethics of censorship over petty insults should remain a mod. Sorry Fly, but that's my opinion.

However, I do believe that Flytape should be given an opportunity to make his defense, and let the community decide whether he stays or goes. In an open vote.

By open I mean with Yays and Nays, not upvotes. In order for your vote to count you must comment Yay or Nay. In effort to limit trolls, socks, and Tards I suggest we come up with voter standards. My suggestion would be that they must be a contributor (comment or post). Have a minimum account age of at least 3 months, and of course no posts history to anti-conspiracy sub-reddits.

Thoughts?

In my opinion, the huge problem before us here is - now no matter how great Flytape is, he is tainted with so many scandals just having him as a mod creates massive disruption in /r/conspiracy. (as we can all see with our own eyes over the past few days with numerous threads and thousands of comments dedicated to this debacle)

Let's do a summary/ELI5

1) An "official podcast" was released on Friday night by AssuredlyAThrowAway and the first guest was Flytape

• He was wearing a weird mask
• He was smoking a vape-pen
• He had a trippy shifting background animation
• The Podcast lasted a few hours

2) Flytape bans people who are in uproar about this performance

• The users were mad because no one consulted with them properly and timely before the announcement of the podcast

• They were mad that the podcast was being used as an "official" representation of /r/conspiracy by AssuredlyAThrowAway on YouTube

• They thought Flytape was pushing hitler memes

3) Mr_dong comes in later due to UK timezone differential and removes the Podcast sticky due to the community uproar

4) The story feed has multiple threads blowing up discussing the incident

• SRD crossposts the thread and it goes viral
• memes are created by users on reddit "justconspiracythings" with flytape's mask/vape-pen

5) Mr_dong comes back with an announcement that countless users have complained about the situation and he looked into it more.

• He finds that the podcast should not have been "official"

• He finds that Flytape was banning people who did nothing wrong

• He finds that the conflict is so divisive that the only way to resolve it is to remove Flytape for the overall community's benefit, even though some mods disagreed.

6) The next day Flytape posts an apology thread

• He magically appears on mod list again
• He deletes his thread after a poor response by subscribers
• People start posting about the deleted thread and reinstatement

7) SovereignMan posts an announcement thread

• The mods had a vote behind the scenes
• It was an 80% - 20% victory for flytape
• The votes will be kept in secret

8) /r/conspiracy explodes in dissent

• Multiple threads with hundreds of combined comments
• People accusing others of being shills from SRD with no evidence
• People asking for transparency in the vote
• People complaining that Flytape abused his powers too many times

No matter how great Flytape is or can be, he is tainted with so many scandals just having him as a mod creates massive disruption in /r/conspiracy.

This isn't his first chance, right???

But that's just my observation.

Thanks for the recap, I managed to miss all of this.

I never knew that fly tape has gotten into so much shit.

With all of that being stated, I do not think he should be given another chance.

It appears to be that as you said, having him on gives us all a bad name. This sub reddit is a community of people. We cannot let a bad apple spoil the entire bunch.

This shit is pretty funny. It's just manufactured drama.

By flytape.

He was wearing a weird mask He was smoking a vape-pen He had a trippy shifting background animation The Podcast lasted a few hours

I really don't see an issue here.

Fuck it let's have a damn election then. I'll throw my name in the ring. Isn't this how we did it last time? Open mod seat - the community votes. What say you, /u/SovereignMan?

But the mods have already voted. You've been told who won. And even though you aren't allowed to see the actual data, you just have to trust your leaders are doing everything legit.

This entire sub is a microcosm of modern society.

I know. And your last point is both very salient and depressing, as well as correct.

We need an open source power structure.

Fuck the power structure.

but trusting that my leaders are doing everything legit isn't what i do in real life, and is totally opposite of what this sub is about. that makes no sense. this sub really is a microcosm of society, it's seemingly totally corrupt.

Well, you have my vote, for whatever that's worth. You keep a rational balance. The problem with a growing/controversial sub is promoted mods cant be 100% vetted. Noone can really. Politics at every level is an eternal struggle . Everyone has their own personal feelings, agendas, bias etc. One thing I've learned is to take each comment on its own merit. For every Jim cole, there's a rockran or drytruth. It's unfortunate really, but thanks for fighting the good fight.

I appreciate the kind words man. Thank you.

This is illuminatedwax's sub right? Why isn't he here making the decisions?

His absence is probably why this shit is happening in the first place. He needs to get his moderators in line.

I don't think he is active because of the quality of /r/conspiracy.

Sure guys, the mods aren't perfect but the user base of this subreddit really kills it.

You have people posting anti-israeli shit daily, users name calling each other, shill acusations at every turn, reddit-meta-drama shit posts, retarded fucking blog posts without legitimate proof, I mean I don't post here because there is hardly ever anything valuable to talk about. it's the same bullshit all the time.

I lurk Instead. It saves so much trouble.

So wise. I wish I still lurked sometimes.

You have people posting anti-israeli shit daily

Honestly that's to be expected. Their relationship with Palestinians and the U.S. Makes their government look pretty fucking tyrannical. Not speaking for all Israeli ' s of course. I just understand why it's a hot subject here.

Cia probably controls that acc

I'd vote for you.

You have my vote.

Thank you!

I'd vote for you too, but I kinda want to be a mod, myself.

Those who desire to rule tend to do the worst job doing it. Fuck wanting to control other people.

Frankly, I haven't seen much of any benefits from the moderation here to date. Shills still run rampant. Votes are brigaded without any regard. Innocent members are banned. /New is flooded by a small well-defined group of shills, likely to dilute meaningful discovery and discussion here.

Ha! Fair enough. We both know there won't be an election, though.

It would truly be a cold day in he'll before that would take place.

No post history in anti-conspiracy subs? Why?

Let mods decide. Simple as that.

They've been running the show so far and it's been a decent run, sub is at almost 300k, and despite occasional and minor screw-ups, they're all in good standing.

This is a satirical comment, right?

You sound ironically similar to my brainwashed friends when they're defending the NSA or left/right paradigm.

edit: typos from laughing so hard

Thoughts?

That you stop copy pasting this into Flytape threads.

My bad, just looking to get the word out. I would love to see an actual open vote on this sub-reddit, but I guess that's asking too much.

Edit: This isn't the first time I've confronted the mods about the nature of voting around here. I'm not attacking anyone, I am seeking an alternative system.

Not only do I agree with the critiques that you have made previously, I fully commend your insight into this problem. I believe that everyone who frequents this sub and contributes, should have the ability to vote on the moderators, hold elections, through a democratic process, majority winning.

Even though this is not necessarily the best form of voting as there will always be a dissenting opinion (see John Jacques Rousseau on democracy in the Social Contract). I do believe it is the best for the community to have their voices be heard, whether in favor or against.

If the voting is public, can I see who voted for what?

Also can we, the community members, dissolve the current incumbencies and have fresh elections?

The mods votes will be coming out, maybe tonight.

Transparency is key here; leaks forthcoming.

Thanks. Indeed very vital for this sub.

I am not here to attack any mod or other members, but to voice my opinion that we should keep "power positions" in rotation. Let other hardworking contributors also get chance to mod this sub. This will keep everything balanced and hopefully unnecessary extremism can be avoided.

Great idea.

I'm here because the antics of certain mods here resulted in Abby Martin and Ben Swann withdrawing their AMA commitments.

These same mods continue to disrupt, distract and discredit by abusing their power.

Gonna expand on that??

Because of the actions and performance by 2 mods (axolotl and flytape) last year around 9/11, Abby Martin decided she would never perform an AMA here. Ben Swann also declared that the toxicity and focus of the place is too risky to be associated with after all the hitler and holocaust stickies.

Right, thanks.

No problem. PM me anytime

Easy there sweetcheeks, this isn't tinder.

j/k ;)

Swipe right plz

I like you Letter, don't be taken by 3rdeye's nonsense!

See my response.

I've known abby and ben personally for years.

You're a liar — you should share what her brother had to say in PM with you today.

Hint: they refused to do an AMA because of your participation in the fake AE9/11 AMA.

Eyes open m8, I am not keen to judge. At least you put effort into keeping this sub active, and for every 5 'meh' stories there is one that is pursuable and dynamite.

I'd never shut my ears to you m8, all the best.

I met with Abby last Friday at her art show and confirmed everything 3rd eye has said. Please site your source

fuck you and your lying mouth.

Lol, you're being a little obvious posting on a 4 month old thread.

haha

yes, i obviously just found it. had no idea they brought you back till then. sad day.

Whoa

I know both of them IRL — axolotl is a liar.

Ask him about the convo he had today in PM.

Oh?

Yep.

Ask flytape why they declined to conduct an AMA here in their private messaging yesterday.

So flytaoe and axomotl rfriends irl?

I don't know nor does it matter.

Axolotl is a liar.

From my point of view this axol guy is lieing. My face to face communication is a better source than him sending an email to Abby's brother and not getting a response. That's not considered being in contact with the person in my opinion.

Good lord where are you coming up with this nonsense?

Abby Martin decided she would never perform an AMA here.

You must be thinking of Karen Hudes! Abby never said that.

In fact I'm currently arranging an AMA with Abby's brother and he may speak with her about possibly participating as well.

Ben Swann also declared that the toxicity and focus of the place is too risky

Where are you getting this?

I started /r/benswann ages ago. The guy questions vaccines and has accused the US government of false flag terror.../r/conspiracy is too risky? Don't make me laugh.

Ben works for RT so if anything they would likely not be down.

Honestly how on earth are you getting upvoted for this drivel?

People are listening to him because they can't trust their mods; which is incredibly annoying in a sub about uncovering the truth.

I've always liked you Axo, but try looking at this whole mess from an outsiders perspective, not from the POV of a mod on the team. Things are getting shady as fuck in this sub.

Can you tell me how many people were involved in the vote for Flytape's reinstatement? I'm going to assume that there were 5 people present with only one voting against Fly's reinstatement.

People are listening to him because they can't trust their mods

That may be true, but my point is that he's lying (or is misinformed) and people are still listening.

For a sub devoted to uncovering the truth, as you say, this is the first huge red flag.

How on earth is he getting upvoted for saying Abby Martin refused to do an AMA here when he clearly is confusing her for Karen Hudes?

Can you tell me how many people were involved in the vote for Flytape's reinstatement?

What I can tell you is that I'm a little confused as to where the 80%-20% came from. Even mr_dong didn't object to Flytape's return. As far as I could tell, no mods unequivocally voted against it, although some expressed hesitance.

Also, we have a few largely inactive mods, so obviously they didn't participate.

Essentially, all the mods that actively participate in this sub supported this decision.

Essentially?

Flytape shouldn't have banned you. We all make mistakes.

Your ban was reversed in hours. Flytape won't be banning anyone anymore. Can we just move on now?

Definitely. This has beentoo big a distraction.

That may be true, but my point is that he's lying (or is misinformed) and people are still listening.

For a sub devoted to uncovering the truth, as you say, this is the first huge red flag.

This is kind of exactly what the guy is talking about. You don't really seem to be looking at it from a sub perspective, only a mod perspective.

You think the huge red flag is a possibly misinformed person, when the INSANELY MASSIVE red flag is that a huge percentage of people here have lost confidence and trust in the moderation team.

Thats the difference between a mod and a sub.

The worst part is that most people only lost confidence in 1 person, but now we've lost it in the whole team for the way they handled that 1 person.

Not that I'm guessing it matters, we all know from past experience the subs don't really matter here. You guys have shown you can do as you want, it'll blow over each time with only a slightly heavier buildup from the last time carrying over.

I'm sorry but, who are you? Redditor for 21 days?

Nice way to prove my point.

Does content also mean nothing to you? As a moderator I would have thought that maybe you'd have the logic to realize content is more important.

Some of us talk about things here we don't want tied to us for our own safety. Thus new accounts afford us such safety.

Not that it matters, all I've seen you do is quote people's post history, and ignore all actual content.

Like you've just done. I'll bet that you can't even recognize any concerns outside of your mod mentality, all you do is go defense mode instead of understanding mode.

Stay the fuck away from Rob

Why?

Your AMAs are junk. The only person who hosted anything legitimate was Orangutan.

I'll bet 9000 dollars he refuses to participate due to your history here, once he finds out.

You're a liar man.

I know both of them. Tell them why they refused an AMA today in PM with you.

Ben Swann is a cancer kike.

In the spirit of transparency, care to post your alts since you are a 1 month account?

Obviously it's only transparency when it benefits certain people.

You know the mods who didn't want him back will post it. They're have to be at least 5 that voted to come back with an 80% reinstate vote.

3rd eye navigator movements are necessary, everything you see in videos is secondary xD

Looks like the sub needs to get rid of 80% of the mods.

mr_dong for benevolent dictator!

or just go to another subreddit, what are you, some sort of concern troll?

The Official R/Conspiracy Podcast was the most embarrassing piece of video ever associated with this subreddit: three hours of FlyVape's fat blob-tits riding underneath a dorkshit "spooky" mask while he sucks on a vape pen and whines about how nobody likes him.

link me, or should i stop by /cringe?

My apologizes for the quality of the podcast, it was my first attempt at going live on a podcast and I have learned a substantial amount in just the few days since that attempt.

I will work harder in the future to create content which is enjoyable, and I will also be moving away from using "official" in the title of the podcast.

My apologizes to anyone in the community whom I may have offended, I got a bit wrapped up in the excitement of doing something new for the subreddit and I did not put out a product which reflected the standard of quality that I would be comfortable upholding as a representation of this sub.

My apologizes for the quality of the podcast, it was my first attempt at going live on a podcast and I have learned a substantial amount in just the few days since that attempt.

It isn't about the technical quality, it's the content.

I'd watch a 5 hour vid of Slavoj Zizek in moonlanding quality if the content is interesting as is always the case with Zizek, but Flytape is making one cringe up to a point where one does not expect more cringing ever even remotely possible.

Well done, it's a classic already.

audio only, keep it short and on topic, don't be retarded.

Odd — you set up this dreadful podcast and should admit you're the main culprit in reinstating flytape.

There was no "main culprit".

Another mod started a thread asking that we vote on flytape's standing on the modteam. We voted and he was reinstated by a wide margin.

And what were those votes and which mod used their power to reinstate?

You speak and act like a politician now.

We deserve the right to know the votes in the interest of transparency. Unless the mods have something to hide...

troutfist

I'm seeing so many regular /r/conspiracy posters and contributors in these threads, it's amazing.

I just got caught up in the momentum. Not part of any coordination though.

Anyway at least you tried something, good for you. Must suck to have the reaction that it did.

Ive come to realize that none of this matters to me anymore and Im sorry I ever got involved. All the points made are valid, but its just so minor to me now. Ive had a sort of revelation recently.

Don't apologize to a 2 month account.

It's cool that you think you can ignore what someone says because of their account age.

Not a logical fallacy or anything.

I didn't even realize, I must be off my game. Thanks for pointing that out.

It's hard to keep track, but most of this drama appears to be coordinated by a handful of accounts (and their alts). I'm really happy about the decision but it's also means the ante has been upped. The wedge to divide has been set.

Are you and Flytape the same person? You know how an undercover police officer is obliged to say "Yes" if they are asked a direct question "Are you police?". Treat your answer with the same honesty.

No, did you listen to us chatting on the podcast? We are two very different people.

I have not listened to the podcast. Its contents is largely irrelevant to this discussion, which is about the principle of whether Flytape should be a mod. But thank you for clearing that up for me.

You know how an undercover police officer is obliged to say "Yes" if they are asked a direct question "Are you police?".

I get what you mean but that's false:

http://www.snopes.com/risque/hookers/cop.asp

/u/Hatesies just because this is a "free speech thread" doesn't mean you can spam it incessantly with filth, so I've removed some of your extra insulting comments.

Just edit one of your remaining comments with what you want to say, don't spam the shit out of this thread.

EDIT: nevermind. Spam away.

Please don't make a liar out of me.

Obviously that's not what I intended. I just assumed that it would make sense to post at most two comments with everything you wanted to say instead of 20 and turning the thread into a clusterfuck.

Besides, everyone needs to see just how low these people will go.

Fair enough again. The answer is bottomless pit.

Didn't say you wouldn't ban them...

Oh, so that's why you're letting people fling shit and namecall? So that we can't have a normal talk about this? No. You want it devolved into a mess of petty squabbling so nobody cares about Flytape anymore. No, everybody here is just a whiny bitch for wanting the corrupt moderator removed.

Very very insiteful view. It makes sence.

Since the evening of the podcast I've been saying this entire thing feels like a bizarre social expirament of sorts.

The entirety of reddit (and the internet in general) is a bizarre social experiment.

No reddit is about money. Fucking lots of it. Be honest and acknowledge that.

It has nothing to do with social experiment or anything other then money... Well right now. Look at top posters. They create strife and bullshit. Users like bipolarbear are admin.

Its clearly to generate talk. They haven't been banned why not?

there is far more powerful about reddit than one's ability to fill his pockets with fiat money

Its all about money....

you are not even curious i knew it...

I don't care. It won't effect me in the slightest. Anyone that can have their view changed by propaganda cause that's what it is can easily be changed again.

Reddit is entertainment for the ADHD generation. Many don't realize this. That's fine trust me you are in no way superior to me because you see it as a platform to sway the consensus of a topic.

Ultimately its all about the money.

you repeat that mantra a lot

They are trying to convince themselves that its true

Its not a mantra. Its a fact that more should realize. A mantra is for self help like AA members do. I am just repeating a statement.

Mantra - noun - a word or phrase that is repeated often or that expresses someone's basic beliefs.

Oh man, it's like not only is your mantra wrong, but you also don't even know the definition of the word, except you do.

I am just repeating a statement.

a word or phrase that is repeated often or that expresses someone's basic beliefs.

You believe reddit is "only about the money" and you repeat this over and over again.

That is the very definition of Mantra, and your ignorance is absolutely astounding.

Ummmm ok. That make you feel better?

Do you now understand what mantra is and how you were repeating one?

Ummmm actually haven't thought about it. Sooooo no. Been more worried about the real world.

But what is the money about? Or are you implying that the money itself is in charge?

If so, I'd ask you what you think the money itself is, considering none of it has any intrinsic value anymore.

Money controls the will and actions of man. Think about it would you work if you didn't get compensated in some way? Right now its money.

Well work for someone else? And if you have your own business do you not accept money?

Yes it is an idea one of the best ever devised. If it don't have value then why can I go to taco bell and get me a taco pizza and enchorito? Yeah I know it isn't good for me and I don't care. I like it.

Yes, but where does the "money" come from (and I put it in quotes because it exists only as a piece of paper and/or as 0's on a computer screen)? What I'm suggesting is that money is an idea invented by man. And not just "man", but men - some specific ones.

Damnit man you making me think.

Money comes from control. Or lack their of at the time it was created. Value in elements or whatever when in practicality they are of little to no use. Take diamonds.

What can you do with a diamond? Or gold. What can you do with it?

Both are useless to man. But somehow it became valuable because of its scarcity. Not because of its use. Well not diamonds they are not rare really. So what someone can cut it to make it sparkly.

I know a place that makes the best tiramsu and that is way more useful then a fucking diamond.

I don't know the answer to your question. It is one that should be answered.

Money comes from control.

But did the control come first or did the money? I've always pondered this myself.

In other words, was there a group of people who controlled another group of people for some other reason and then realized that money would be a way to accomplish the same thing with far less effort and far greater reward? Or did the money come first and a select group somehow take ownership over it and use it to dominate the rest of the people?

What can you do with a diamond? Or gold. What can you do with it?

Well a diamond is used in tool building because of its hardness.

Gold is malleable, relatively rare, maintains its composition (never rusts) even after thousands and thousands of years, is fairly heavy and difficult to traffic, etc. So they actually do have some intrinsic value or you can at least see why they might be valued - gold has been used in trading for thousands of years.

For diamonds, the argument becomes more questionable because "diamonds are a girl's best friend" and all that BS was invented in the 19th and 20th centuries.

I don't know the answer to your question. It is one that should be answered.

I agree - in my opinion it's the question. One of them at least.

You missed my question. I asked what you could do with a diamond or gold.

I read about the whole diamond history before. Blew my mind. I always thought they were rare.

I think the influence of use and money came from a easier way to barter for good and services as it was easier to transport then the good sold you know?

You missed my question.

No I didn't?

Me:

Well a diamond is used in tool building because of its hardness. Gold is malleable, relatively rare, maintains its composition (never rusts) even after thousands and thousands of years, is fairly heavy and difficult to traffic, etc. So they actually do have some intrinsic value or you can at least see why they might be valued - gold has been used in trading for thousands of years.

I also didn't even mention the modern uses of gold. It's in almost all computers and even satellites.

Edit: all of the below.

Blew my mind. I always thought they were rare.

Me too. The first time I read up on the history of De Beers I was totally blown away (and let's not even get into the Rhodes Roundtable).

I think the influence of use and money came from a easier way to barter for good and services as it was easier to transport then the good sold you know?

I do agree with this though to some extent, and can see how the idea of money (i.e.: store of value) could be useful. The issue has come with this new idea of debt-based fiat, where every dollar made creates more than a dollar in debt - it's totally unsustainable.

And, almost certainly worst of all, the huge majority of it is held and controlled by an incredibly small number of actual people.

I meant personally like if you had a diamond or a bar of gold what could you do that's useful with it. Not industry but just you.

and let's not even get into the Rhodes Roundtable

Don't know about this. So maybe bedtime reading.

I don't think money was created to be a debt system. More like they didn't know how to value it and soon it just became a monster.

Its an easier reality for me to swollow then just they knew we were fucked from jump.

I meant personally like if you had a diamond or a bar of gold what could you do that's useful with it. Not industry but just you.

Hmm, more interesting question. My answer would be that it's always been mostly used for trade, and in that way I could see it used effectively in the future - for instance currency backed by gold (as it has been for hundreds, in some cases thousands of years).

But what we have now isn't that. What we have now is debt owned by a small number of people who use it to siphon actual wealth from everyone else.

Don't know about this. So maybe bedtime reading.

Not if you don't want to have nightmares...

I'm kidding, but it's an important group and time period to look into. I think a lot of their agendas have had an impact on the present day.

More like they didn't know how to value it and soon it just became a monster.

I don't know man (or should I say guy?), I've seen enough at this point to all but totally convince me that it was an intentional plan executed on a very long timespan.

Its an easier reality for me to swollow then just they knew we were fucked from jump.

Yeah, I'm with you here too in theory. But the curiosity in me has always forced me to search for the bottom of things - and not just "things" but the thing - regardless of how big the pill is.

Haven't quite found it yet though.

Hmm, more interesting question

Exactly my point. We as individuals have no use business and industry do. So its a system for us to gather it and them to buy it. Kinda like when the devil says your soul isnt worth anything then you would say they why do you want it so bad.

These are the questions many don't bother asking.

I don't know man

Could have said mother fucker and I would have laughed its man.

But the curiosity in me has always forced me to search for the bottom of things

I am right there with you. Just don't wanna have my faith in man screwed up. I won't subscribe to the religion thing. I need something to believe in so its the good will of my fellow man.

Call it nieve if you want, but I have witnessed great things. And bad.

We as individuals have no use business and industry do. So its a system for us to gather it and them to buy it.

So now we're back to the chicken and the egg / money or control argument. I wonder which came first ultimately. Or have they both always existed?

I need something to believe in so its the good will of my fellow man.

Couldn't agree with you more. It's my non-fellow men I'm more worried about.

Call it nieve if you want, but I have witnessed great things. And bad.

I'm relatively young but I have too sir, been involved in some as well. Cheers.

Tell me you are an Aussie

Haha no, to be honest I really wish. At the very least I wish I could say I've visited - someday for sure.

I'm from the East coast of the US.

I am from Oklahoma and have lived in Pennsylvania now for three years.

Its sad when you are automatically won't say states for fear of something.

I live in NYC, but I agree. I've never really been too shy about sharing though if someone actually wants to know. Don't really wanna give away my name or address but I'm cool with sharing most stuff. If the NSA knows, why can't you?

Love NYC. I do inspections for all the deicers and shit at JFK, LGA, and hpn.

It has nothing to do with social experiment or anything other then money

Yeah there's no way it could be possible!

That says Facebook... Are we not on reddit?

If not then I need a new phone.

Nope your phone is fine, but clearly you have no idea how to draw parallels. Yeah you're right, Facebook's incident was simply an isolated incident. If they were doing such things, they'd tell us!

Ohhh you mean connect the red string to the yellow thumbtacks and so fourth and so on? No I can't do that as I don't have enough free time between family, house chores, and lego programs.

So what about the Facebook thing. Its free and in the terms of service when you agree I am pretty sure you agreed to it. I didn't care when the story broke.

Dont really care about much else that goes on unless its happening in my backyard... Now the neighbors rabbit that keeps hearding my chickens yeah cause he is eating their food.

The constant blah blah on reddit about privacy not really

It has nothing to do with social experiment or anything other then money.

Sounds like an opinion.

Of course it does. That's what it is.

Is this some kind of weird psy-op? I get that people are pissed with the whole podcast and they have a right to be but this 3rdeye guy is working WAY to hard (obvious to anyone following this) to get him removed for my liking. This is the same behavior we see from the people trying to take this sub down. It all feels weird and shady to me and since we've been dealing with this whole mod censorship bullshit on reddit for a while I'm hesitant to change up our mod team to drastically I guess. He'll I'm even hesitant to comment negatively about thay 3rdeye guy cuz I feel like him and what seems to be a small crew will down vote the shit out of everything.

I guess what I'm saying is when someone complains about mod corruption on other subs I lean towards it being true but when it's done here I'm very suspicious of it and I have trouble believing it's genuine because we've seen them pull this shit time and time again.

but when it's done here I'm very suspicious of it and I have trouble believing it's genuine because we've seen them pull this shit time and time again.

Bingo.

Oh wow man, that's so deep dude.

Hey, how did they convince you to join Team Cancer?

What happened on the podcast? I mean what did this dude do?

IT has nothing to do with the podcast. Flytape banned users for no reason so he lost his moderator privileges. Now he has been given them back for no reason.

Also for some reason there is a handful of users like /u/fakeintel spreading around lies trying to detract from the issue at hand which is mod abuse. Just look threw flytapes post history. You can see him doing everything from attacking members of the community to straight out saying everyone in this community is a bitch. Look threw his post history for yourself and you will see the abuse.

no reason

Oh, I'm sure there's a reason. We're just not important enough to be told what it is.

You're an idiot shill from /r/subreditdrama.

I'm so glad they suspended the rules for this sticky so that I can call you (and your friends) out for being the morons that you are without getting banned by the mods I'm allegedly conspiring with. This is fun - can we do this again sometime?

I have never been there but you constantly bring it up and link to it. are you a member? Why do you keep ignoring the fact that flytapes moderator privileges were removed for abusing them not for making a podcast? Instead of having an actual level headed adult discussion on the topic your only response is personal attacks. Your acting like a child.

So which incident got him removed? The podcast or something else?

flytapes moderator privileges were removed for abusing them not for making a podcast? Stop trolling, your either incredibly stupid to ask a question when the answer is literally right in front of you or your a troll. So I will give you the benifit of the doubt in that you must be a troll because no one would be that stupid.

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Maybe because his moderator powers were not removed because he made a podcast. How do you not understand that? He lost moderator privalage because he banned people for no reason not because he made a podcast.

When did these bans take place?

Your clearly a troll so this is it, just because the recent abuse (out of many cases) happened on a thread that was the podcast doesn't mean the situation is about the podcast. No matter which way you swing it he lost his mod rights for banning people for no reason and abusing his powers.

Thank you for admitting that the podcast is relevant. I've already said multiple times that I don't like /u/flytape and I'm only defending him because you guys are blowing up my shilldar. But yeah I wanted to discuss the podcast which I view as the source of this upsurge in drama about an already controversial mod -- so excuse me.

I am sorry I said I was done responding to you but the last comment was so dumb I just had too.

Thank you for admitting that the podcast is relevant.

Do you even realize I do the exact opposite of that?

just because the recent abuse (out of many cases) happened on a thread that was the podcast doesn't mean the situation is about the podcast.

If I am a shill why have I been a part of this community for twice as long as you and have 4 times your comment score? What exactly in my post history signifies shill? Your account has barely any history and hasn't been on reddit for even a year.

I'm only defending him because you guys are blowing up my shilldar.

Just saying this looks like the pot calling the kettle black when your purposefully detracting from the topic at hand.

So now I will definitely disable my inbox replies this time because I am done feeding the troll.

I just looked through a little. It doesn't seem that bad. Sounds like he's constantly batting off attacks tbh. Hey I dunno. I'm sure you are both right in your own ways.

He would not have had his moderator powers removed several times if this wasn't a problem. If this was the first time he abused it would be a different story. How many times is he gonna be allowed to abuse his powers because his friends keep giving them back? There is a reason the community wasn't given a say in this.

To me it looks like a guy who is heavily invested in this community... did a thing he wanted to be good and it was not I guess. I haven't listened. Dress him down but by the explanation of the mod team I get it. We know fly tapes foibles. He is on watch. Of any community we know what the answer should be to who watches the watchmen? The watched do. That is the only answer. From there I would strongly argue better the devil you know. He should be dressed down severely, and maybe even have a dedicated mod to review his mod actions on occasion, remove a few privileges if possible would be great. But I agree he should stay in some fashion.

No matter my opinion on the matter, I think he cant be a good mod, even if he wanted to. At this point in time flytape cant post without people downvoting just because who he is. He can not effectively be a moderator when the community hates him and he hates much of the community. The right thing for him to do would be to step down. Just look at all his recent post, he is downvoted before his comments are even given thought (not saying this is right just making a point).

There are basically two types of users in this sub(those who comment and those who just skim and vote) and he doesn't have very many fans in either camp as this thread proves. Just look at all the hate and general downvotes. At this point he just cant be effective as a mod. Too much contempt going both ways between the community and the him (unless the European crowd just love him and things change in 12 hours lol). And the further this situation drags out the more distrust builds for the other moderators who gave him back his powers.

Ya it's called drama. An emotional reaction. You ask average Joe a month from now and he won't give a shit or maybe even know who fly tape is.

Mods don't need respect, to do their job. It can be useful, but at the end of the day he weilds the power and is in charge of whatever rule dispute he us policing. And our mods are pretty good at self policing. That's all I see here honestly. They caught him in a rage, calmed his ass down and voted he could stay. I agree 100 percent. He isn't a cop, he is a member of this community, and has been for years.

Mods don't need respect, to do their job.

Until their community ups and leaves because they are sick of the abuse. Or worse children get all worked up and next thing you know people are getting DDoSed. Imagine if 10 or 20 butthurt users got together and decided to hurt this community because the moderators do not care about the will of the community.

Imagine what would happen to the face of this sub if the new queue was manipulated by these said people? The new queue is literally the lifeblood of this community since most people just look at the hot tab. These users could easily control what hits the hot queue by manipulating the new queue. Only posts with 10-15 upvotes even make it to the hot queue so they could keep everything they want suppressed downvoted while upvoting garbage filler. Imagine those users manipulating the hot queue so its all anti-semite, radical home grown terrorist type posts; people would start unsubbing like crazy, reddit would go crazy with drama. It wouldn't be the end of the sub, but damage could be done easily.

My point is the mods are only as powerful as their community allows them to be. Its probably like the whole politics in the US thing though and most people don't give a fuck. This leads to small groups of people being able to manipulate the system (im talking both politics and reddit lol), so is that a good thing? and does any of this even really matter? since the small group currently in control is the moderators and they are clearly doing what they feel is right and not asking for the communities input, and the community is content. Wow this is really a mirror of politics in general.

Sorry addendum : hell in this very post there are comments from accounts oriented to portraying this sub as a racist hell hole. So ya. Nice argument.

Currently our mod ding team is decent at stopping people who attempt to manipulate the queue now. So. If we are effective now as much as I think is reasonable, and by introducing new mods we introduce more people with potential agendas that actually are out to discredit this sub, such a person could contrive events far worse than an emotional ban or twelve from a mod to discredit and ''destroy'' this sub.

People who manipulate like that tend to get the banhammer, that is the whole point. No it is not a democracy, it's a forum with a list of rules, first few years online? I learned this shit in the 90s. But guess what, organic from a small number and carefully you can manta in pretty sane and stable online communities. The fact there is no ''head mod'' actually makes this one of the absolute most democratic social grouping systems I have used online. Corruption happens, weird people happen, that is humanity. Any change in the people in charge is a roll of the dice. So we rolled a 17 on the nodding of this sub so far. Care to speed up the timeline until we need to roll again by witch hunting dedicated mods that have been around forever?

Prove it? I promise the mods do not do as good of job as you think. That is just like the NSA or the DOD claiming they have been stopping all these terror plots. You have no proof that they are doing anything. I bet it is a hell of a lot easier to manipulate posts here then you think.

The weekends are best, and they are stemming some of the tide.

I don't believe a mod ding revolution or some shit will help. It will be the end.

Suspiciously invested in the community

The same aspersions could be cast on literally any of the regulars here.

By 5% of those regulars, you mean.

He just made a really shitty, 3 hour long podcast along with another mod and now trolls from /r/subredditdrama are capitalizing on the (admittedly embarassing) event to fracture the community and possibly even the mod team.

It should be noted that /u/flytape and /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway pursued this project unilaterally, and did not ask for feedback from community members or mods before posting their shitty podcast as a sticky. That's what's alleged, anyway. I could be wrong.

All I know is that podcast was shit, and SRD trolls are also shit. Combine the two and it's no surprise that this whole drama is just a big pile of stinking shit.

did not ask for feedback from community members or mods before posting

This is true as far as I know, though admittedly I've never visited the IRC channel if it was discussed there beforehand or something.

though admittedly I've never visited the IRC channel if it was discussed there beforehand or something.

I've never visited there either but that is irrelevant.

The IRC channel is not /r/conspiracy, thus you can not plan "official" events on the IRC channel because that is not /r/conspiracy where all of the members of /r/conspiracy go for /r/conspiracy news.

You're right, but I still think there'd be a difference between having discussed it in the IRC chat with a few other users beforehand and never announcing it at all to anyone. But that's neither here nor there though since I don't know if it was or not, this whole thing has just been really strange and a good reminder not to take reddit too seriously.

not to take reddit too seriously.

Why wouldn't you? It's serious business, as it is a literal business.

People being able to view information without it being biased or distorted is important.

I mean in the sense that it isn't worth getting upset over. At the end of the day it's just a website, despite whatever good we've done or are doing, and if the power went out tomorrow then it would be as if this site never even existed.

I'm not saying there isn't value here or that it isn't worth trying to make the site better, I'm just saying that I acknowledge it's been on a steady decline for years and will probably only get worse.

Is it really worth getting angry and bent out of shape because of something some anonymous stranger on the internet said? Is bickering over meta drama really a valuable way to spend one's time? To me it isn't. Acknowledging and discussing issues with the site is fine but to me dwelling on them is a distraction from talking about things that actually matter.

Well not everyone can be Howard Stern (which is something he would love since he trashes any podcast). If its just that the podcast was a bit pants then does it really matter. So some other dudes are making fun of it. If he was trashing subscribers or mocking this sub then I would think its a bit strange, but hey leave them to it.

Yeah it doesn't matter. At all. I was pointing out their mistake in acting unilaterally because if they'd asked for feedback before posting it they would have known it sucked. Its pretty lame to publish it as the "official" podcast when it fucking blows because you didn't ask your associates what they think, you know?

The next step, historically, is for a gaggle of "random people" to nominate a "random person" as a mod.

Not to be a dick, but I've never heard of any of these people and I post/lurk in this sub all the time, every day.

He wore a mask and banned users who called him out.

It went viral on reddit making this place look psychotic.

mr_dong removed him for abusing power and then the next day there was a secret vote by mods and they reinstated him without any announcement. Flytape's thread was deleted but luckily the community forced them to sticky an official announcement about their secret vote.

The podcast isn't what matters. Flytape has abused his mod powers in recent bannings that only he decided, and has done so before as well. He's been demodded and reinstated two times before this.

I wore a mask to hide my face.

On a podcast? What kind of mask?

a plague doctor mask.

I couldn't watch the podcast because of the goddamn fade with the background. Reminded me of so stupid ass James bond villan type shit.

The mask was meh.

bizarre social expirament of sorts

Agreed.

Moderator's agenda comes before the will of the community. This sub is a joke and the moderators are corrupt POS.

obvious alt is obvious /u/ganjadon75

Maybe mix up your themes a bit next time?

doesn't change the content of his message.

What do they owe you? I mean really what is it that makes you think you deserve anything?

Bet its really reddit that owes you. Be mad at reddit for the money you are giving them for content.

This isnt about monetizing content, it is about a shit mod who gets chance after chance.

So what? Really what does it matter?

Why does it matter what they do. If they ban you come back with a new name change your narritve and say it again.

Do you have any idea who flytape or anyone else that mods here? Do you know them as a person. They act different then they do IRL I bet. Probably a group you would let come over and fuck your sister if you have one.

Point is that realize reddit is entertainment. It isn't something that should matter to you or anyone else. Be you and don't worry about acceptance for your own ideas and values.

I'll throw a high 5 to that sentiment.

So they could fuck your sister?

Grow up, i dont have a sister.

WHY SO SERIOUS?

Calm down. Have a laugh read what I said in the comment.

Don't see how someone that has clearly abused their position on more than one occasion is "best for the entirety of the sub" but alrighty then. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

We realize that there are a select few subscribers

LOL. You talk like a politician, making an effort to marginalize a group of objectors.

Well we're just a bunch of nutjob conspiracy theorists, anyway. Obviously your derisive tactics are just the best choice.

I wish we put half as much effort into real world reform as we do moderating this subreddit.

Why are you posting multiple suspiciously upvoted comments in one thread? Weird.

Looks like even mr_dong removed a few of your comments lately, including this one:

I am the guy who is going to follow you around and downvote you on every sub because you posted fiction to /r/conspiracy.

and this lovely one:

I don't really care where you post it, because it's crap. Do not post it here, because it's crap.

It's not an issue that you can't find any place to post this. It is a problem that you posted it here. I will be watching your posts.

and this:

You're basically an idiot with denialist blogs that lack references as your sources. Open your eyes, dummy.

and

This is false. The reason I write "false" on your posts is that you are a liar with an agenda.

and:

It gets exhausting dealing with people at your level, which is low like the floor.

That's just after browsing your comments for 10 seconds.

You're the type of user that makes the rest of the sub look bad, and you're also the type that will likely eventually be banned for resorting to puerile insults instead of engaging in rational discussion.

You're the type of user that makes the rest of the sub look bad

Ironic in a thread about Flytape and mod cliques.

Why are you posting multiple suspiciously upvoted comments in one thread? Weird.

Bwahahah. If those upvotes are "suspicious" it's because you don't like them. That's remarkable, that you turn an actual consensus into a fantasy conspiracy.

As for my comment history, look at the context. If it's crap that belongs in a sci-fi subreddit, I say so quite firmly. I was correct in every case. The truth is, I should be a moderator here -- and apparently you shouldn't.

This sub is full of ridiculous nonsense, and would be nicely served by moderators who did something about that. As things stand, if it weren't for rude subscribers, there would be no negative feedback to the remarkably crazy posters that wander through.

That is exactly the kind of ridiculous f* **** attitude that makes me side with fly tape axoytlyl and the 80 percent. This sub is not the place to ''filter nonsense'' and it never has been.

This sub is Camelot from Monty python. It is a truly silly place, but that is, in my opinion it's value. Cruise through and ignore the stuff you think is garbage, don't go in the comments. If you do you could find the thread that agrees with your logic and assessments and understanding and work constructively off that, rather than having a mind to dig up the entire garden to make more space for YOUR specific favourite flower.

Really, your personality is more prone to power abuses than fly tapes seeming ideology which is to push his ideas out whilst also tending the garden.

Fly tape should stay if only to ward off the necessity of needing to bring more mods on again and risking having someone like YOU ''infiltrating the modding clique''

You're not part of any "80%" don't fool yourself because you aren't fooling anybody else.

I mean if I had a vote I would vote to keep flytape. In the apparent vote hence the statement.

Oh. Being part of that 80% isn't what I thought you meant, obviously. It just did not occur to me that anybody would appeal to that particular "authority."

Blah blah blah.

Your points and observations are pedantic and meaningless to the discussion.

You really think there are "clique" moderators?

I ask cause I am curious.

There are mods that are friends, social circles form. These are humans. As to how insular those groups are it probably varies. Not like highschool though more like an office. They all work together. And gossip. Etc. Ah life.

So if they are friends would they so much as have a agenda? It makes you wonder if its just a group of friends then why would there be so many odd happenings.

... no it really makes perfect sense to me the happenings as you call them in that context. Some may indeed have nefarious agendas, but flytapes personality and motives fit better with an idealist who can be dragged down emotionally to making mistakes. That is a flaw common to idealists of any stripe, and many pragmatists and others as well. I don't see his actions totalling to a nefarious plot, quite the opposite. I have viewed flytape as a known quantity for a while now. One that I don't see as always agreeable on the topics he supports, but he is not misaligned with the spirit of this sub.

Sooooo basicly he is an emotional bag of fucked?

Mm. .. no. Human. Everyone can be overly emotional, as much of the community is being at this exact moment.

Edit : the power of the position and the nature of the volunteer position and really the nature of the multi layer review able moderation for recourse letting him stay is an easy choice. The system is working despite a vocal minorities protestations. He is known and IMO doesn't make this sub any worse overall. He contributes to the moderation, and isn't against

I really don't think its so much actual members of the community as those that wish to fuck with others for karma. Its so easy to push peoples buttons in here.

Because there are raids that happen here by kids looking for a little fuckery fun and then a nice layer of actual real honest to god shills in the wild, so when the fun runners go trolling on moderation (a pretty tight moderation group at that) there will be reaction from the community too. Because it's hard to tell friend from foe from naive and gullible asshats looking for a laugh at someone's expense in a world filled with them.

Stop baiting people into bans.

Stop violating the very rules you enforce.

This guy again!

He's the head of this dull spear.

Nice analogy.

There would be a much bigger controversy if i was a mod here, i'd be banning all of these fucking babies lol

Same. I would have shit canned this entire SRD scumbag brigade the minute it reared it's ugly head. None of these people are posters, contributors and I highly doubt they lurk here either, they are here for one reason and one reason only.

Too bad some of the admins are in on it, i remember cupcake used to post there all buddy buddy with them about how much she despised r/conspiracy

You're the type of user that makes the rest of the sub look bad,

Thanks for blowing my irony meter into thousands of tiny little pieces.

Good grief... have you no sense of self awareness?

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Let's look at two of my "rude" comments that you mention, the first two.

I am the guy who is going to follow you around and downvote you on every sub because you posted fiction to /r/conspiracy.

and

I don't really care where you post it, because it's crap. Do not post it here, because it's crap. It's not an issue that you can't find any place to post this. It is a problem that you posted it here. I will be watching your posts.

They are in response to this post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/30zyn2/andromeda_council_sonic_beam_destroys_reptilian/

Frankly, this is an obvious case in which I am right and the moderation in this sub is wrong. Posts such as that which got me riled up should be deleted for being ridiculously insane.

It's a shame Mr. Dong thought it was a problem that I was giving /u/thegr8rambino13 grief. If I were the mod, that user would be banned for such a post, and I would be given a pat on the back.

You are doing it wrong, and the upvotes to my comments are evidence of that. You can call them "suspicious" and make yourself look retarded, it doesn't change the fact that apparently many subscribers agree with me that you're doing it wrong.

No one is forcing you to look at my submissions or to review the authenticity of them. You have no right to "follow me around every sub and downvote my posts" either. In no way do my posts affect you, or your karma. So no, I think the mod was perfectly correct.

Of course you do. You're the jerk devaluing what should be a credible and useful sub by posting insane science fiction as if it were fact. My right to stalk you and downvote nonsense stems from my right to self defense. Your behavior is dangerous to everybody. You're effectively part of the NWO. Each of us is either part of the problem or part of the solution. You're the former and I am the latter.

yea, right, im dangerous to everybody cuz im posting things that i find interesting and want other people to know about...do you even know what ur talking about? You haven't even posted anything and your criticizing just one of my posts, and your comments don't seem to be doing all that well either, at the same time accusing me of being part of the NWO. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Unless your a mod, tell me, what exactly would you say your doing here?

You are diluting credible conversation because you want attention. That's narcissistic personality disorder.

Hahah wow exactly how am I diluting credible conversation? You haven't posted anything to r/conspiracy and you're trying to make me feel bad about one of mine. Just think about that for a minute. If anyone's got a problem, its you buddy

Your contribution, which consisted of ridiculous science fiction presented as if it were factual, was worse by far than if you had made no post at all. I realize you don't get that, but it's true. You are a net negative here and your post should have been deleted. If only this sub had good mods.

YOU HAVENT EVEN POSTED ANYTHING! The whole point of this sub is to talk about things, whether or not they are true. You imply that I was posting it as if it was 100% truth. So many links on here can have their authenticity or source questioned. That's what this whole sub is about, to talk about something. And you're acting as if I'm the only one who posts things like that. My comments here have gained far more points than yours have, so no, I think I'm a net POSITIVE here and YOU are the net negative. Obviously people here like what I have to say, not everything, but most/some things.

"We are reinstating this mongrel idiot, we know everyone thinks we're asses so enjoy this free speech zone while we continue to vote in secret and manage the slow and controlled demolition of this sub"

Vaguely off-topic but if you wanted to do a podcast why the fuck not keep it audio only? It could be an interesting format, but no cringe, no hyperbole and more investigative and informative learning about views than persuasion and rhetoric.

Idk if I care about this drama, seems all pretty fucking retarded.

Idk if I care about this drama, seems all pretty fucking retarded manufactured.

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FYI nu_censorship is a bot.

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i like when you say shill its an underused term

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He's spot on. The sub is infested with tards with pitchforks. I would probably say the same thing.

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What are our best interests? This sub is the most attacked sub in reddit, and he was a great defender.

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Yes, more. Conspiracy has deep roots here, much longer than redpill and it has many offshoots & counter attack subs.

Flytape was good at spotting shills, so he was targeted.

Or the one attacking under different user names and IP's pretending to thwart the attacks. This is the conspiracy sub. Would be right without throwing that in the arguement.

I would respectfully suggest that Flytape be stripped of his ability to ban people unless he has first obtained the agreement of the majority of the other mods.

He obviously has the support of the majority of the mods.

He should not be able to take unilateral action which bans people. If he has to consult the other mods there is just a chance that the to-be-banned person gets a chance to defend themselves first.

I can't believe you would deny him his unique gift of spotting embedded detractors from his escapades in other meta clique-subs. Where I come from we have a word for these types: Chismoso.

He needs to be removed as moderator period.

Tag that user as Reddit cancer ^

Almost all of your posts in this thread are not contributing, but derogatory insults. Nobody here recognizes you. Where did you come from, and why are you not being banned or warned for your insults despite repeated flagging?

Yeah, but, any more concerns though?

/u/OnSpeakerCrab is reddit cancer, please all that care, tag it as much

What happened to you?

Well we can just call him a shill, this thread only though.

Why would you even call me a shill? Shills have agendas. Look at what I post, read my comments. The only agenda I have is getting rid of a moderator who has proven multiple times in the past that he can't be trusted with the power he has.

But hey, if nobody gave a shit this thread wouldn't be sitting at 0, would it?

Flytape will not be banning anyone anymore.

Then what's the point?

He probably won't but so what if he does. Did that person deserve it from your perspective? If so then who cares.

Really who fucking cares. Admin banned the mods of srd then sporkacide unbanned them for the lukz. Reddit don't matter in any aspect of anynfacet of day to day. If it does then you need to grow up.

What do you owe a goddamn person here man.... Really who compensated you or any other mods of this sub for your time? You are working for free. You are working for reddit for free.

Think about that. Do you have a real job? If so think about the time you work there for the time you also work here and do the math.

Do what you want and the rest of mods here.... Ban everyone if you want. Hell I do in sub's that I mod. They piss me off boom you are gone.

Ban everyone if you want. Hell I do in sub's that I mod. They piss me off boom you are gone.

I BELIEVE YOU!

I just looked at the 2 subs you mod - r/legocharity and r/LegoSales, and you have a total of 17 users and 5 threads between them.

You must be one strict motherfucker, /u/oldguynewname.

Badass!

Actually I mod three. One is secret...shhh but on my shadow banned account I mod 2 and on my /u/ashitloadoflego account I mod a few others.

Don't have many subscribers to the ones you listed cause the legosales one was created by someone everyone hated more then me. He and I get along.

The legocharity one is new. We don't really have many people asking for lego. If we did then we would help as many as we could.

Now the secret one is very important.

I totally agree with what you said up until the the word people. After that you started speaking a language I cant comprehend.

I love the fact that the controversy arose just as the sub is about to hit 300k.

It must be a real pain in the ass for a lot of people that mod team can not be penetrated and that there's a steady inflow of 300+ subs a day (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/about/traffic).

It must be a real pain in the ass for a lot of people that mod team can not be penetrated

Precisely what drives a large amount of the drama on this sub and if you want proof you need look no further than logs like this, which show just how much planning certain folks put into undermining the relationship that exists between the userbase and modteam of this sub.

logs like this

Context.

Seriously, how hard is it for anyone to see that the same users in that pastebin log plotting to stir shit up or take advantage of a situation here, are the same that coalesce at SRD to 'laugh' about all the 'drama' that they manufactured afterward.

Well done, do you feel that flytape was duped into this whole thing?

Into doing the podcast? nah he did it willingly, we were talking about it for at least a few days beforehand in the IRC from the sidebar, assuredly had the idea, and Flytape agreed to be the guest.

This was their first time making one and it's unfortunate that hardly anyone is taking that into account when considering the quality.

I know flytape is a big target, I've seen him targeted time and time again so I'm curious who is roping him into controversy. He has a wicked relaxed stance towards non kosher conspiracies and that makes him high priority.

I mean I don't wish to speak for the man, but I'm sure he did it on his own volition.

The negative attention the podcast received was in my opinion, a little over the top regardless of how controversial it was. I think the 'controversy' is being blown out of proportion tbh.

He has a wicked relaxed stance towards non kosher conspiracies and that makes him high priority.

Indeed it does, And truth be told, I think he takes that into account often as he can. People are going to find any reason they can to fuck with him.

He has been and gone 3 times now since I have been on reddit. The inconsistencies with reasons is fucking retarded. Just leave him or fucking don't. You other mods will do whatever you please anyways.

The podcast, fucking up an iama, and reinstating a mod. This isn't a democracy. This is you telling us what you are going to do any fucking way.

Personally flytape has never done me wrong. I like the guy. So what about his views. Didn't like the podcast when they were saying it was the oppion of the user base in this sub. Oh well he learned from that I hope.

Just do what you want mods its clearly a totalitarian system on reddit. Admin, mods, and others are using this site as a platform to further their own agendas. You all are no different.

Its for entertainment people let let it be that. There never was nor will there ever be free speech on reddit. You can't say what you want without being criticized. So to hell with dreaming about it. Accept you won't have it and vow to change the status quo or let it continue.

Moving to whoaverse or voat... Whatever akto wants to call it. Won't change these people are going to he there too. Be an adult and say fuckem. They do this to encourage you so you will post more. Therefore making more content for free.

It all generates revenue for reddit. Realize that your time is their money. So if it is something you are going to say to a user then send them a message instead. Make reddit completely bare of content.

Really make the difference and fuck them up. You won't do that cause you can't. You mind wants you to defend yourself.

Just try it and see what happens.

You other mods will do whatever you please anyways.

Have a tissue and dry you eyes mate!

Any more concerns you want to air?

Just that you are creating content. Since I am at work wasting time I will reply.

I was expressing the fact they they are in a position to do as they please. What we want shouldn't matter. We didn't elect them or pay them. What we get as to what we want is entirely seperate.

You want anything then pay them. Just pay them. But you can't cause reddit says no. So they are doing the best they can for free. So realize that.

Sorry, i actually sort of agree with everything you said in your post i replied to, my only defense is that i was on my phone and being lazy.

Um ok. Its whatever. Don't seem like you did before. Lol.

Because he doesn't. Read the rest of his comments and report him. He's trolling this thread up and down. We're crying because we want our moderators to be fair? Do you see how ridiculous what's going on right now is?

Honesly no I didn't cause I don't care enough about it. I have nothing vested in this discussion. Also to report him. He has made it clear enough for you to point it out.

Sounds like all this is is a place to put all the posts the mods want to ignore in one place.

So, if you have anything to say about it say it here and now. Then we're going to move on...

I guess the only good thing is is that this is a conspiracy so this topic will be gladly accepted on this sub now and the future.... right?

Then we're going to move on and continue to try to make this sub what it was intended to be... discussions about conspiracies, actual or theoretical, real or imagined and, as always, controversial.

Looks like we got a perfect subject for this entire sub, not just in this one topic. Mods just opened up the conspiracies to themselves. Might be time to start seeing this sub in /r/undelete

Is it true then, does absolute power corrupt even those with noble intentions?

BINGO.

Kinda eerie

By the events I'd say more a defensive anger over something he was excited about getting shat upon. I would be mad too... I don't see what is so hard to understand about this whole situation from a rational perspective.

from a rational perspective.

Well see that's your mistake.

Ikr?

Well would you look at this SRD circlejerk! These people are probably the most pathetic human beings on the planet.

the most pathetic human being on the planet

Let me get this straight

1) An "official podcast" was released on Friday night by AssuredlyAThrowAway and the first guest was Flytape

• He was wearing a weird mask
• He was smoking a vape-pen
• He had a trippy shifting background animation
• The Podcast lasted a few hours

2) Flytape bans people who are in uproar about this performance

• The users were mad because no one consulted with them properly and timely before the announcement of the podcast

• They were mad that the podcast was being used as an "official" representation of /r/conspiracy by AssuredlyAThrowAway on YouTube

• They thought Flytape was pushing hitler memes

3) Mr_dong comes in later due to UK timezone differential and removes the Podcast sticky due to the community uproar

4) The story feed has multiple threads blowing up discussing the incident

• SRD crossposts the thread and it goes viral
• memes are created by users on reddit "justconspiracythings" with flytape's mask/vape-pen

5) Mr_dong comes back with an announcement that countless users have complained about the situation and he looked into it more.

• He finds that the podcast should not have been "official"

• He finds that Flytape was banning people who did nothing wrong

• He finds that the conflict is so divisive that the only way to resolve it is to remove Flytape for the overall community's benefit, even though some mods disagreed.

6) The next day Flytape posts an apology thread

• He magically appears on mod list again
• He deletes his thread after a poor response by subscribers
• People start posting about the deleted thread and reinstatement

7) SovereignMan posts an announcement thread

• The mods had a vote behind the scenes
• It was an 80% - 20% victory for flytape
• The votes will be kept in secret

8) /r/conspiracy explodes in dissent

• Multiple threads with hundreds of combined comments
• People accusing others of being shills from SRD with no evidence
• People asking for transparency in the vote
• People complaining that Flytape abused his powers too many times

In my opinion, the huge problem before us here is - now no matter how great Flytape is, he is tainted with so many scandals just having him as a mod creates massive disruption in /r/conspiracy. This alone should result in removal from moderation powers + the fact that he abused his powers by banning people for no reason

This isn't his first chance, right?

But that's just my observation.

Let someone else be a mod. Don't bring back mods that have a sketchy past. We don't need distractions. There is bad shit going down in the world and this crap is just drama to distract.
MODS are you trying to push people away from reddit? Because it is working.

This will be an absolute free speech thread

This an odd (and worrisome) thing to say in a subreddit devoted to conspiracy.

"Our intentions are aimed towards a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone."

Is transparency possible without completely free speech? I wonder.

Does anyone have a link to the original podcast? I need to check this out and see if it's as bad as everyone says it is. Either way it's hilarious that there is so much pent-up, ball-shriveling rage over a failed podcast.

I mean really guys.

It isn't about the podcast, He has been constantly abusing his power, attacking members of our community, and banning people for no other reason other then they disagree with him. He is a known neo nazi who in the past has panted nazi propaganda all over the sub making us look like a bunch of ignorant bigots.

Well I personally believe that Hitler was a decent guy and the holocaust was atrocity propaganda made up by the Allied powers working in association with Zionist Jews.

That's why I fucking subscribed to this sub. Lol. I guess I must be in the wrong place since the mods themselves aren't allowed to hold any non-mainstream views?

Difference is, you aren't allowed to ban people who disagree with you. I support your right to say what you believe, although I think you are an appalling person to think that way. But as long as you don't stray into hate speech and appeals to violence I will read what you have to say.

Why do you find him appalling for having a different opinion to you?

He didn't say "the Jews deserved it", or "the holocaust was awesome", he doubts the the fact that it happened and views it as propoganda.

Reminds me of feminist logic where if you don't believe someone was raped, you are supporting rape and are a rapist etc.

So again, why so appalled?

http://youtu.be/xvlGGXiBIaY

Thanks dude.

...Holy shit this is THREE HOURS LONG. I hate to say this but it's pretty much as bad as people say it is. Lol wow. Guys nobody here is interested in THREE HOURS of subreddit drama.

They could have at least talked about their favorite conspiracies or something? Maybe they did, but I didn't listen to all THREE HOURS of it.

It's the exact same tactic that is used to dilute the impact of /New. Can't ban the discussion of the truth? Just make it next to impossible to access through all the garbage.

You saying the podcast is part of that tactic or the ball-shriveling rage? In my opinion the podcast was truly awful but the temper tantrum over it is the real distraction.

Either/or. Just bury the truly useful bits. This whole thing reaks.

I know right. The podcast was so fucking bad that it does make me question their motives a little bit.

Got through about 30 minutes of it, wanted to headbutt a kitchen knife. Awful.

Nope, that was done away with. Cover up nearly complete.

Why was he taken off in the first place? I'm out of the loop

Because he banned people without speaking to the other mods about it, and on his own personal feelings. Not because they were breaking rules. He's done it before too.

FlyTape and AATA spent 3 hours talking while Flytape vaped while wearing a bird mask. Mr Dong saw that as one of the reasons as to why FlyVape should be removed as a mod, but that changed toda6.

I'm not quite sure when /r/conspiracy became /r/fellatingflytape, but it's not a good look. Pretty embarrassing stuff.

Edit: Oh my. I was just joking about /r/fellatingflytape...turns out it's a real sub. Kind of on-topic: any regs want to pull together to buy some kneepads for some of our friends doing overtime in these threads? Bloody knees all over the place, gonna draw sharks.

I don't really care if flytape is a mod, but my fine-tuned bullshit detector was set off here and I couldn't resist:

He has a unique ability to spot the embedded detractors of this sub.

Unverifiable as a fact and untestable as a hypothesis. If he is the only one who can tell, how can other mods concur? How is it known that he is correct if there is no alternative metric other than his opinion?

Did the rest of the mod team actually believe this when they told themselves it or is there perhaps another reason for keeping him such as the amount of time he dedicates to detractors rather than some special powers which make him better at it?

Or perhaps and even more sinister reason? (dramatic music)

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I'm afraid we may be working from two differing definitions of the word "unique".

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I'm not certain I am understanding this statement correctly for reasons previously outlined.

This should be top comment. If the mods really believe in flytape's unique superpowers I've got a couple bridges for sale.

And I've got some ocean front property in Arizona.

He probably is the embedded detractors. Problem reaction solution. He causes the problems, he knows how to spot them, he must be the solution. Really ?

"select few"

Way to diminish the people against this move.

Hahahahahahahahaahahahaahaha... Oh boy I called this. Called it on my old account and called it recently on this account.

The subs here have no power, nothing you can do to the mods here. They will walk all over you because they simply have all power, and you have zero.

Zero.

Just watch. There will be another flytape incident in a month, the mods will mock all of you again, and spit in your face again.

Then it'll happen again a month from then again....the same as it's happened for the last year.

And nothing will change.

I guarantee the mod stance on this topic is 'let's just do it, it'll blow over in a week cause it does literally every single time'

Just you watch.

The only way it will change is if someone takes reddit to court over false advertising. Free speech is not protected, but the all mighty dollar is. If some one organizes everyone who has spent money here via reddit gold, ad space, or purchaed based on the ads here, than that might get thier attention.

Reddit on their wiki page boasts about the "culture of free speech" and what they built their user base on said enviornment, (or valuable list of potential buyers that draws money from advertisers.)

The fact they have put a disclaimer on this

"Please consider this post a free-for-all. This will be an absolute free speech thread. Say anything you like. NO RULES WILL BE ENFORCED (except Reddit's sitewide rules of course)."

tells you they are not as advertised, and people can say they misrepresented their service, and wouldn't have spent any money here (advertisers or users) if reddit hadn't done so.

And per http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Advertising the meet the conditions of the law or the violating of the law, with the injury being money spent under reddit misrepresenting them selves.

Honestly who gives a fuck.

What's with all the drama?

It appears to me that some outsiders are using a video that was made (unfortunately using sub "cred" without sub approval) as an excuse to cause disruption and general havoc. Many people slamming /u/flytape have recently-created accounts, although there are a few here who seem to harbor a grudge against him for being quick to draw his ban-hammer; I would probably be pissed about that if it happened to me, and depending on the circumstances, I might carry a grudge myself. However, I don't see the video as an impeachable act. If it hadn't been attached to the sub, none of this bee ess would've gotten traction. No biggie. Just don't release another vid in our name w/o our approval (and we've already been assured that won't happen).

A big shout-out to all our friends from Israel!

My issue is the ban hammer thing. Someone with that type of mentallity has no business having the authority to ban or delete someone. None.

Everyone has new accounts, because their old accounts get banned by /u/flytape the /r/conspiratard troll.

That's a bit over the top don't you think?

it's tard and SRD fake drama

http://mentalfloss.com/article/23998/7-creative-uses-poop very relevant.

They voted in secret.. How very democratic of them.. I wonder if that goes against what this sub is for?

Concern troll detected.

Not a concern troll - this one just slithered out of the Duck Pond.

Say hi to Duckvimes_ for me, /u/derptwo!

The votes are coming out tonight, unless my warnings about it force their hand to announce them.

Why don't you go vote for new admins? Oh right, this isn't a democracy after all.

Have any more of them concerns?

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He smells like shit and once you got him, you're stuck with him.

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He's a mod who has abused his power several times. Most recently he got mad when people criticised his appearance on the "Official" /r/conspiracy podcast and started banning people for it. He was removed as a mod because of him abusing his mod powers and now the other mods have decided to fully reinstate him without consulting the userbase.

Flytape is a fucking loser who claimed he "had shit to do in real life" but couldn't last three fucking days without his pathetic little internet pretend mall cop position.

Why are multiple users writing multiple comments in one thread? Why couldn't you just write one comment?

I love how 75000_Tokkul, ever vigilant, is already sending the SRD contingent this way.

So hm let's see what kind of person you are:

But don't worry, your little account is safe, you protected it with your cowardice. (comment removed by a /r/conspiracy mod)

About someone who made a cake for their 2 year old:

"Not perfect?" Did you frost it with your feet?

If somebody gave me that cake I'd probably kill myself.

and:

There is nothing in this topic that is not a complete failure on every level.

and:

I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

Curious, what do you think the room Flytape was broadcasting from smells like? I'm thinking stale french fries and foot sweat.

You've contributed nothing of value, whatsoever, to /r/conspiracy.

It baffles me why your opinion matters on this subject, and it's equally suspicious that you're writing multiple insulting comments, with no substance, and you're getting upvoted.

Shameful, folks.

Stop baiting people into a ban.

Your assumptions are unfounded and if any of us posted this, it would result in deletion.

Now now, do me. Stalk my history and paint another picture. Cheers.

Naw, you're not trying to stir up shit nor or you pretending to be a contributing member of this sub.

That being said, you did post an insane amount during this whole Flytape ordeal, why are you so invested?

Flytape is not a good person or a good moderator. Why are you protecting him?

Because of how much work he's done that I've witnessed during my time as moderator. Simple as that.

Here ya go. I will do me. Cause honesty on reddit is fun as hell.

I don't believe that 6 million Jewish people were killed in the holocaust. I do however believe that if you add up all the homosexuals, jahovas witness, mentally ill, deformed, retarded, anyone else the Nazi party didn't like and then the Jewish then maybe.

I think the gulf wars are about heroin and money from sub contractors. Not about freedom and the betterment of society there.

I also think that Isis and all that terrorist shit is made up for us to praise our protectors of freedom.

That TSA is a fucking joke. I work with airports all the time. When you go out to the tarmac its usually rent a cops from a third world country that can't speak English.

I have many more views but this is my main account let anyone else try to change my view or discredit me in the sub's I participate in. Fuck all of you that think any of this shit matters here.

*drinks my GMO laden with yellow dye number 5 my dew with (real) sugar.

Because of what he has done in the past.

LOL you spend time cyberstalking people who said mean things about your Nazi online boyfriend. That's fucking hilarious.

If by "spend time" you mean briefly browse the only 20 or so comments that you've ever written on reddit with this user name, which I'm assuming is an alt.

You've contributed nothing of value, whatsoever, to /r/conspiracy.

That's pretty interesting since you cited a comment from another sub. Its almost like you're trying to conduct a smear campaign or something.

But here you are trying to besmirch him, you have literally taken precious time out of your own life to write how he is a loser, do you see the irony here?

Idiot.

I know for a fact they hate his guts over at conspiritard. If he's hated there he probably has plenty of redeeming qualities.

And SRD...which is why this thread is full of asshollery. They apparently can brigade to their hearts content and nothing is done about it.

So let me get this straight.

A sub that has dedicated sites whose sole purposes are disruption and ridicule suddenly cares that there is a controversy?

Here is what I want from the Mods-- -An environment where I can discuss topics of interest. A place where anything against the mainstream will not immediately down voted to oblivion. -I do not want to read the press release put out by the very offending party stated and reinforced as fact. -I do not want the best, most engaging comments down voted so they cannot be seen.

I can get the alternative, what this place is turning into, literally anywhere. I do not care what Flytape did and honestly I don't care if he is a Mod or not as long as he does his job. His job is to make r/Conspiracy a place for Conspiracies.

Now watch as the offending groups down vote this and continue to execute the 'Divide and Conquer' strategy to perfection.

It's funny how mods are just like the government.

They do all kinds of shady shit and no matter what they come right back and keep on doing it, and no matter how much people raise their voice against it, it just gets ignored until it simmers down and goes away.

It's interesting to see how much damage a couple of corrupt mods and users that have nothing better to do than literally conspire to seed drama and conflict for fun.

Makes you wonder what someone can do when they are on a payroll.

Now I don't really have an opinion on Flytape, but anyone can smell the stink from miles away, and we have all seen it a hundred times already.

We realize that there are a select few subscribers here that will be vehemently against this move

No, the overwhelming majority of the sub is against. Pool your subscribers instead of pooling the mods, AKA Flytape friends.

We realize that there are a select few subscribers here that will be vehemently against this move but we feel that it's best for the entirety of the sub in light of the value he brings to the mod team and in spite of his penchant for inciting controversy.

Not a "select few", but the vast majority of this sub.

You mods are creating big drama on purpose.

This sub deserves better.

Wait.

He has a unique ability to spot the embedded detractors of this sub and spends a lot of time in other subs as a means to that end.

did /u/Flytape just become the head of the /r/conspiracy Stasi?

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

Nietzsche was right.

no rules?

ok, fuck the mods here. they're always abusing their powers. i've been here for the better part of 4 years (this is version 2) and I remember Flytape always surrounded by drama. I cant say I'm surprised at all by any of this, unfortunately

While I don't understand this shitnado, I would agree with the opinion to have a review on the 'full permissions' of each mod.

But then again, I don't have mod experience and don't know the work that goes into it. This type of drama just seems to come up biannually.

Anyone that didn't see this coming would have to be blind.

Good, literally every post I read that bashed the podcast was about the mask and background, not the discussion.

That is not what any of this is about. Flytape banned users who simply disagreed with him, this isn't the first time he has abused his powers either. No one in the community wanted him back, no where will you find a thread on this community where peoople are begging for his reinstatement. He is abusive, and is gonna continue to abuse like he does EVERYTIME he is reinstated he abuses EVERYTIME. Yet the moderators keep bringing him back why? If this was the first time it happened this wouldn't be a big deal, but he is a racist fascist who constantly abuses his powers as moderator. Just look threw his post history, should a moderator of a community attack members of said community? Or should they act like an adult and not throw tantrums like children?

How can the mods expect us to have any sort of respect for flytape, or the mods who reinstated him?

They don't care, nobody seems to understand that.

Why should they possibly care at all what you respect or think? You hold no power here. Literally none.

If subscribers had zero power, why all the drama from the mods, then? They could just do whatever they wanted without having little sockpuppets running around insulting those of us going, "Give me a break, guys." Why spend so much time/effort to steer the opinion of subscribers? (Not doing a good job of it, from what i can see, but they're expending no little effort to manufacture drama and infighting amongst subscribers in defense of a guy who isn't really all that into conspiracies unless it's Reddit gossip-type stuff.)

The only power subs have is the power to leave. That's all.

I don't believe they have sock puppet accounts running around doing all that anyway.

They are just sitting back, ignoring everything, because they know here in about 2 days, maybe a week tops. Everyone will have forgotten and moved on.

Guess how I know that?

I'll answer! It's because that is literally, exactly what has happened half a dozen times in the last year alone.

Mostly with Flytape.

Respect was always important in my family. It was instilled in us at an early age. I dont know if its because my family immigrated from Sicily to Chacago in the 1920's, but for whatever reason, I have always had the old school mentality of respect being the most important thing to convey. I give it until i'm shown otherwise. This is otherwise.

I couldn't get past the presentation to get to the discussion. So honestley I couldn't tell you. What I can tell you is that dealing with controvercial topics, people are looking for anything to discredit what your saying, do I need to say anymore?

I wrote a message to the mods giving them some honest feedback from the perspective of someone who has experience in audio/visual production.

Maybe someone here is interested in reading it -- does anyone else here agree that expanding the media presence of this sub is a great idea? Just because /u/flytape and /u/assuredlyathrowaway fucked it up doesn't mean it shouldn't be pursued.

For what it's worth I've been around under many names for many years. So I actually really liked the idea of having a podcast series run by power users or mods -- whether it's 'officially sanctioned' or not. /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway made the point that he was just trying to expand the media presence of this sub -- which is fair. And it is a good idea: imagine, for example, capitalizing on /u/axolotl_peyotl's knowledge and research and presenting it in a multimedia format that reaches an audience of thousands.

That's the real shit. Do any of you guys have a background in marketing or audio/visual production? I do and would gladly assist any way I can if you guys decide to pursue something like this in the future. We have the talent and the means to create compelling content -- have you guys ever seriously considered creating a sanctioned YouTube channel?

Anyway you guys see where you went wrong, right? Speaking specifically to /u/flytape and /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway: You made a THREE HOUR LONG podcast about subreddit drama and /u/flytape's related anecdotes. That is not compelling content.

If your content had been interesting then the users would have forgiven you for your atrocious presentation. But it's just bad. Even for an alpha. Don't be fucking lazy. Seriously. I wouldn't turn this shit into a high school level media production class and expect to pass. Would you?

It's kind of astounding that you guys didn't pursue advice from your circle before publishing this -- let alone as a sticky and an 'official' podcast. I assume you didn't because any half-impartial observer would have told you that you're out of your mind, scrap it and come up with something better. Maybe your mistake was born from arrogance and the unilateral actions you took?

Something better could have been easily achieved. Just scrap the creepy, stupid, blurry ass mask/background combination and replace it with something sensible -- even a black screen with text would be preferable. Then, shorten it to about 45 minutes to an hour, because this is a test run for a podcast, not a fucking SEMINAR. Finally, talk about something interesting or compelling related to /r/conspiracy. Do you know how many big stories have launched from /r/conspiracy and gone viral? How about the SLC Daycare story? That weird video of those two kids who claimed satanic ritual abuse? What are your thoughts on police brutality? On the holocaust? Any cool new conspiracies you've been reading about? What's your favorite conspiracy? Do you believe in aliens? Any of those subjects would have worked, but instead you guys jerked each other off for 3 hours and nobody wants to see that.

Are any of you willing to do something like this again? If you are -- and you really should -- then it needs to be done right. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has experience in this field and could help you guys put together something compelling.

Why not make a sticky thread and ask the community about their thoughts on this sub expanding its media presence? Maybe casually poll for some talent or willing contributors? Would be a great way to reengage the community on a positive note, instead of leaving hanging on this fiasco.

This isn't about the podcast. Flytape has been abusing his powers as a moderator by banning people for simply disagreeing with him. It is about whether or not the community whats to continued to be attacked by a fascist bigot. No one in the community was asking for flytape back. The moderators did it to further their own agenda.

Fascist bigot? Don't be a bitch. And I just made it about the podcast so shaddap.

I called flytape a fascist bigot. Are you admitting to being flytapes alternate account or are you just here to troll? Because it is clear your not here to have an actual discussion, your not even comprehending the posts your replying to. You just attack anyone who disagrees with you and you have no proof to back up your claims. Anyone can look at flytapes post history and see he calls the members of this sub everything from bitches to brats. You have done nothing but attack anyone who disagrees with you or flytape, why is that? Why are you detracting from the point of moderator abuse and trying to make it about a podcast?

Yes, I am flytape's alt. AMA.

You have done nothing but attack anyone who disagrees with you or flytape, why is that? Why are you detracting from the point of moderator abuse and trying to make it about a podcast?

I'm not trying to make it about the podcast. It is about the podcast so again -- shaddap.

No it is not, that is just the picture you and a small handfull of people are trying to paint. Flytape didn't loose his moderator privileges because he made a podcast, he lost them because he abused them by banning people for no reason.

Do they pay us in shekels, too? Because I know you SRD faggots get paid in shekels.

You have done nothing but attack anyone who disagrees with you or flytape, why is that? Why are you detracting from the point of moderator abuse and trying to make it about a podcast?

You, a select group of moderators and users are the only ones with an agenda. answer the questions instead of trying to attack people. Why are you trying to manipulate public opinion? Flytape lost his privileges because he banned people for no reason, why are you trying to make it about a podcast?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to shadowban you.

No your just a troll with no leg to stand on that is why you cant answer the questions.

It's nice to see the zio squad show up in full force in this thread

Weirdest thread I've ever seen. Some folks are having fun, that's for sure.

You should have been here the last time drama was manufactured to install a new compromised mod.

I promise by this time next week, Fly will be gone and someone you've never heard of will be a mod in his place.

Oh, I was here for that last time. Tbh, I just kinda tune it out after a minute. This thread was exceptionally annoying or I wouldn't have even bothered to comment. Buried in all the garbage, I still manage to find what I'm looking for here, regardless of the drama.

Nay

The fact this has been sticky posted for over 8 hours now and sitting at a solid 0 should give the mods the pulse of the sub, and the opinion of the community. No one here can respect flytape, and if the mods want to back him, they run the risk of having the same loss of respect for them.

If that is the case, who ever wanted to turn this sub into a joke, have succeded. Most people here are serious in their beliefs, and the activity from the mods totally undercuts them.

For those of you that believe the claims that Flytape banned users "unreasonably" for "simply disagreeing", look what I found:

• One made a post that accused Flytape of being a pedophile. User shadowbanned.

• One called Flytape a Nazi in that same post.

• One called Flytape a Nazi propagandist.

• One has been trolling /r/Conspiracy for the past 3 months and accused Flytape of being obsessed with Hitler.

If you can't follow the rules here then don't complain about the consequences and don't lie about the circumstances of your bans.

http://uneddit.com/

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Proof?

Oh, for fucks sake. Well, it was fun.

Boy am I glad that I took a few days off from reddit.

same here

You say that 80 percent of the mods are pro-Flytape. How about you set up a SurveyMonkey survey for the rest of us to vote on whether we think Flytape should remain a mod?

Is he paying you or what?

Oh the fuckin irony

/r/shitpost

(what on earth were you thinking?)

Here's a conspiracy for you. I am thinking this mod drama bs that keeps happening every few months is actually contrived by the mods. It's too often. It is silly and nonsensical. Stop it.

But that one time, who was it again 9000sins? that pulled the "All your subreddit are belong me now!". That was funny I got a kick out of that one.

Flytape is a Nazi apologist, and so is axolotl_peyotl while we're on the topic. The BS both of them spewed during that Hitler Did Nothing Wrong sidebar movie debacle is reprehensible. It's no surprise that this sub has lately been overrun by holocaust deniers when people like that are running the show. For me, investigating conspiracies is about fighting fascism, not promoting it. Sack them both.

lol, you're calling a /r/conspiratard jew a nazi apologist.

I think you need to pay closer attention, kiddo.

Good.

i really am confused by the outcry here on /r/conspiracy about this "moderator" being "reinstated"...

lets run thru the checklist of the events at hand as i understand them:

the so-called "flytape" did something that pissed someone off...check

this person may have/did break stated rules that have been in effect for a long time...check

this person is abusive, manipulative, is a little tyrant in his/her capacity as a reddit functionary...check

other reddit "mods" voted him back in, despite the aforementioned facts...check

question...why does any of this surprise any of you people? its typical bullshit that goes on everyday everywhere in the world with people in positions of power - even in a trite, meaningless power position like this "flytape" individual - lie, cheat, conspire, manipulate, rig games/votes to get ahead, and they get away with it!

to wit...hillary clinton destroyed federal government documents contrary to black letter law and policy, and will never see the inside of a courtroom for it!

barack obama and eric holder intentionally allowed assault rifles to be sold to mexican narcoterrorists in a nefarious effort to destroy FFL holders' ability to sell to american citizens!

a major faction of british government and english elites have been engaging in an apparently industrialized kiddie raping operation, and they have been aided and abetted by other powerful people!

why does this ridiculous flytape crap surprise any of you? as a whole, folks on this subreddit dont seem to be that naive, but the amplitude of the hue and cry here about this moronic situation amazes me.

a goofy website like reddit is not immune from any of this horseshit...if anything, it is more prone to it because you have simpletons and half-wits who arent smart enough to gain manipulative power, so they end up as a "mod" on some trivial website.

i think you guys need to re-evaluate your priorities with this whole thing.

The only user complaining is one that got banned by FlyTape a month ago.

Does anyone have a link to the podcast? I guess I've been out of the loop as I missed this whole thang.

bring back /u/OWNtheNWO

Hi?

I was never a mod here.

Bad decision. Thanks for proving you guys don't give a shit about the community.

WHAT THE FUCK. When did all this go down? I was on last night and earlier today and didn't see any of this shit??

But by viewing the comments and gaining a little insight into this, this whole fiasco seems highly suspect. I feel like someone is digging a pickax into r/conspiracy to further divide us. Be suspicious yall.

does anyone need any more proof that racist shitheads run this place?

reddit's pretty weird. it's like a concrete canvas that random people smash their face against.

the mods of random popular subs are super-weird. They have their own motivations for organizing the blood and snot that sticks. I'd say a defining attribute of these fellas is that they just can't let shit go.

They, from time to time, say to themselves in the quiet of their mind that they moderate a section of the internet. The same way someone might say they run their local boys and girls club or animal shelter. they say it like they're a positive contributor to a community.

tomorrow I'll wake up. do some laundry. clean my bathroom. but while I do that some mod will think that he has influence in my life.

you can't actually prevent me from thinking what i think. you can delete comments but i can repost them. you can delete accounts but i can remake them. you can get admins to ban/poison my IP but i know what tor is and other services/programs/tricks.

mods can't truly moderate anything. I wonder how many of them know this.

Good.

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For those that missed the video, this is basically it.

Makes no sense. Only reason to reinstate is he is a stooge for somebody, sent back to a post he doesn't want by a supervisor. What a waste of everyone's time. What a shame for this sub. I maintain that Reddit was gutted because of what this sub generated interest wise around the Boston Bombing and Sandy Hook false flags. Somebody must still be paid to watch us, if just to make sure we don't have too much influence on the Reddit community because of pariahs economic impact to investors or because the government did get pissed we called out their fake events.

Well I hope he shapes up and asks the other mods before going on a tangent of self willed idiocrisy. Now i think a podcast would be great if the entire mod team put it together and it was not a goddamn video cast, you know since a podcast does not ever contain video...Does not even compute why it was called a podcast.. Anyways I am not sure about this decision but time will tell.

George_T, is this you?

No, but I would like to know why you think so. o.o

Wow I'm so glad I missed all of this

Get flytape outta here enough is enough. Yeah he does some good but he should continue that good in a position that doesn't have control over the sub. Tell him to take that mask with him to

He has a unique ability to spot the embedded detractors of this sub and spends a lot of time in other subs as a means to that end.

ah, good to know this sub has it's own little version of the NSA. fucking despicable. shame on the mods who voted in favor of this, bunch of fucking shills.

Glad Mr Dong realized he got trolled by conspiratard fuckers and admitted his mistake.

Huh? Conspiratard put on the podcast? Conspiratard made Flytape a sad man? Explain.

Edit: id bet mr dong voted against btw

No, conspiratard are the ones who were shitposting about the incident, and you're probably one of them.

What was the incident? His utter failure as a community leader? No argument here.

No, the incident was the podcast. You're an alt from conspiratard/SRD, disabling inbox replies now/

My history says otherwise. Goodbye, FT.

So you disabled inbox, but I see u can still vote.

Tell me this exchange isnt full of vote manipulation, /u/Assuredlyathrowaway

The irony in this would be hilarious if it wasn't so ridiculous.

The mods, in secret, and without the community's input, reinstated a mod who:

Flytape has abused his banning powers for years.

Flytape single handled made this subreddit look literally retarded.

Flytape was involved in the fake richard Gage AMA along with the embarrassing David Cole AMA.

Flytape is disliked across reddit - just use a search engine and you'll see his absurd track record.

Supporting flytape is irresponsible and now it's to the point of absurdity.

Tag this user as Reddit cancer and or a concern troll

Tagging you as someone who doesn't bother to see tgings from a different perspective in a sub that is literally about alternate viewpoints.

K.

So firstly this threads comment section is mostly a complete clusterfuck of derogatory comments posted by users I have never seen here before.

Secondly I think voting on this is a better way of sorting this out than an instant ban regardless of the actions causing it. Flytape has always been fair to me and while he obviously feels strongly about certain things I have not seen anything that warranted his immediate ban.

That being said the podcast was a bit strange and made me uncomfortable when I watched it not due to the content so much but the atmosphere it created.

As long as we (the users) are informed of the outcome of votes and why they are taking place I don't see a problem.

Context:

The First Official /r/Conspiracy Podcast is Now Live, With Flytape as Our First Guest

My apologies conspiracy, for the dreadful podcast.

It isnt the crime, but the cover up.

The video was unwatchabe for its appearence alone. I couldn't get past the first 2 minutes to get to the message. When dealing in controversy, like this sub often does, people look for any reason to discredit the messenger, and the message at that point. Why help them do that?

How you could think looking like that would let anyone take the message you were trying to convey seriously, is piss poor judgement imo.

It was worse judgement to not review the video and post it.

Even worse than that would be to have reviewed it, and still think it came off as something that would represent the 300k people here.

With that being said, i dont think he should have been removed as a mod for that.

The retalation in banning users here on his part was the exact reason he should have been banned. There should be no place for that type of behavior here.

That action in itself should have told the mods that flytape does not posses the maturity to be a mod, nor the responsibility to have banning priveldges for any sub.

He should not be anywhere near a position of authority. That is the exact thing that has been giving this site a black eye, and has done so again.

I thought the initial reaction from the mods here was correct and gave me hope that maybe they are finally getting it here. Almost restored a little faith in this site.

Turns out, instead of fighting the fire that has been going on here for a while, there was gas in the bucket instead of water.

How can any mod vote to reinstate his mod priviledges, when he clearly showed he does not have the maturity to be trusted as a hall moniter in an elementary school, let alone the ability to be able to censor or delete the posts of 300k free thinking adults that are supposed to be his piers or to kiss his ass like some mods expect.

Mods have to be respected. How can you expect anyone to have respect for flytape at this point?

What is he going to do when someone throws it in his face that he acted like a punk ass kid that didn't get his way and took the ball and went home?

He changed overnight? Please. He has done things like that before and will do it again.

In effect by reinstatiing him you are telling adults that are twice his age and maturity to respect someone who showed to the 300k people here that he doesn't have the respect for them. Or himself by the video he put out.

Again, its not the video, (even though that was bad) but the reaction to opinions on it where he banned the user.

Even Tricky Dick Richard Nixon had the decency to resign. If flytape doesn't, he should be removed.

If this isn't nipped in the butt right now, you can expect people to show him the respect he showed the users he banned because he was butt hurt. In turn, he will pull the same shit and start banning them.

For anyone to think other wise, mod or subscriber are fools. How can anyone respect him? Or the mods who voted to reinstate him? How can anyone expect him to not react like a 4 year old?

With all due respect to the OP, how you think that it is a benifit to the people in this sub rewarding him for doing what cuased the majority of people to split time between this site and another.

Im not saying ban him from posting, but it is in nobodys benifit that he has mod prividleges.

Finally, shouldnt all posts be considered a free for all outside of Reddits sitewide rules? Espically in this sub, and the "culture of free speech" reddit advertises it self to have on its wiki page.

The fact you had to put that disclaimer in says alot about the way things are here, and are a far cry from the "culture of free speech" that reddit has prided and built itself on.

Do you see the flaw in this website yet?

This post is sticked and pinned to the top of the subreddit. I am seeing a post of a guy who was suspended, be reinstated. This is a moderator who has the ability to online mute or ban someone, seriously?

get - a - life

I'm sure it's just a coincidence this is all happening at the same time the Boston "trial" results are happening.

I came here to see /r/conspiracy 's take on the trial and all I got was petty drama weird, masks and "smoking" vapes

The irony of conspiracy happening within /r/conspiracy. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I demand to be made a mod of this sub because I have a very large penis and my farts smell like fresh baked bread. I will assume that any disapproval of this request means that all of the mods are being paid by Obama to keep me from my rightful place as overlord of this sub.

My large penis demands immediate and swift action.

my farts smell like fresh baked bread

You might have a yeast infection.

Good grief. This sub has now become more about prima donna mods than actual conspiracies.

This will be an absolute free speech thread.

So r/conspiracy isn't always about free speech? Great job admitting that you're hypocrites.

Also, fuck FlyVape.

This is good news, the shills and well known trolls, utterly despise him, which makes him the perfect person to mod conspiracy.

I have only ever had good interactions with Flytape, actually, the only people who dislike him are the drama subs like SRD, SRS and the late (before the admins muzzled it) conspiratard.

I know my account is not old but I have been here a long time. Just remember that we are all humans and have emotions. We are not rational when emotional. There was really no actual harm done, other than some butthurt, and familiarity has a quality all of its own. Flytape is not the most shining example of the pinnacle of a moderator, but at worst I would judge him as mostly harmless. I get the frustration and anger... weigh the pros and cons. People are not going to leave in the thousands because a couple people were very temporarily banned. The sub is however placed somewhat more at risk whenever it requires more moderators.

If you are banning someone who doesn't violate sitewide rules based on their beliefs or they disagree with you, you have no business being a mod. Period.

No you mismatch the consequence and punishment in light of the review process. They are not cops. They volunteer moderators ffs

It doesnt matter if they were a voluenteer at the local YMCA, you put a kid in time out because you dont agree with them or they tell you your fly is open, (and it was) then you have no business with that authority over anyone. You have to have a thick skin, and be willing to accept scrutiny of other adults without being butt hurt and banning them to be able to effictively moderate anything.

He should have said I respectfully disagree with you, or apologised like he originally had posted, then deleted.

My issue was not with the video, but the banning of the users who called it what it was. It speaks to the maturity level of the person who does that. That is what has been giving this site the black eye it has.

I'm good with it, fwiw.

Thanks friend!

All I ask is that you stop posting virulent anti-Israel material... actually I don't give a shit, free speech and all, so I'm willing to look past it. However, holocaust denial should be where the line is drawn IMO. It hurts the sub more than it helps it, and if you're going to harp on about free speech and a hearth for alternative ideas, then realize those few users who decide to leave the sub because they can't have their little holohoax circle jerk, is better for everyone, including the appearance and legitimacy of the sub.

Welcome back /u/Flytape. All this blowback from people I have never seen before in this sub seems to prove you are the right man for the job. Good luck!

Doesn't it though?

Stop having fake conversations with your alts. It's embarrassing.

Really? The new reddit app showes 5 people voted up or down on the story yet there are 456 comments. That vote isn't manipulated. Hang on, I have to catch the monkey that just flew out of my butt.

R/Conspiracy's Mod Staff Sez: "It bothers us that you have time and again used r/Conspiracy to promote a rabidly anti-semitic, white supremacist agenda, even creating a podcast to promote images which advertise r/conspiracy as pro-nazi. LOL just kidding, here's your modship back. Heil Hitler, bro!"

"I have a job and a relationship with a female, and I have time to spend three hours on camera wearing a halloween mask and snivelling about how Reddit doesn't like me" said nobody ever.

Youre sitting here getting all worked up over a fucking reddit mod decision, whining and bitching like a little girl over internet drama, making multiple posts in this thread...and you actually have the audacity to mock someone else's social/personal life?? Fucking LOL.

Modding has been excellent the last few months, %1000 improvement over the last couple years or so.

So since FlyVape is back, when will the second episode of Official R/Conspiracy Podcast: How to Never, Ever, Ever Get Laid be released?

FlyVape lost his modship, said "I have shit to do IRL," realized that wasn't true, and then cried until he got his modship back. This is what is known as "being a gigantic bitch."

I should be a mod.

"Okay, when I said 'I have shit to do in real life,' it turns out I only had about one afternoon's worth of shit to do. My life is fucking empty. So can I have my modship back?" said CryVape Flytape

Did Flytape have his way with your asshole and then "forget" to call you in the morning or something?

Just trying to understand the magnitude of butthurt you feel towards him, to the point it has driven you to post the same lame comments over and over and over and over...

Whatever it is he did to you, it certainly left your asshole raw and bleeding. Have you considered trying Preparation H? That might be a little more soothing than following him around online and crying about what a "loser" he is. Maybe some of your pals in /r/conspiratard can rub a little bit of it on your swollen hole tonight.

Hey Flytape this guy just called you a faggot

You gonna take that shit Flytape?

That would assume you have a penis. I don't think anyone is making that assumption. That would be something that even /r/conspiracy would have a difficult time believing.

R/CONSPIRACY FUNNIES!!!

Q: Who has bigger jugs, FlyVape or his girlfriend?

A: LOL he doesn't have a girlfriend. FlyVape spends 16 hours a day being a pretend leader on the internet. Also women find him loathsome, because he smells like menthol vapor and feet sweat.

Is this a joke? Wow. Tight life, crybaby. So much shit to do IRL, like bawl your eyes out?

I hope you all get diarrhea.

Fuck yeah! First I would like to thank all the little people I stepped on to get where I am today (if someone could tell me where that was, I would appreciate it).

That said, I don't have a clue who Flytape is.. But I imagine I will make many friends by proclaiming that I think that was an AWESOME decision. Things just weren't the same without him.

<3 to all, haters, debaters, rear-gaters. Even the weird people.

This is illegal.

He smells like shit and once you got him, you're stuck with him.

You other mods will do whatever you please anyways.

Have a tissue and dry you eyes mate!

Any more concerns you want to air?

Not only do I agree with the critiques that you have made previously, I fully commend your insight into this problem. I believe that everyone who frequents this sub and contributes, should have the ability to vote on the moderators, hold elections, through a democratic process, majority winning.

Even though this is not necessarily the best form of voting as there will always be a dissenting opinion (see John Jacques Rousseau on democracy in the Social Contract). I do believe it is the best for the community to have their voices be heard, whether in favor or against.

Yeah, but, any more concerns though?

/u/OnSpeakerCrab is reddit cancer, please all that care, tag it as much

WHY SO SERIOUS?

Calm down. Have a laugh read what I said in the comment.

Tagging you as someone who doesn't bother to see tgings from a different perspective in a sub that is literally about alternate viewpoints.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/31s30a/the_rconspiracy_podcast_drama_seems_to_have_come/

Look at the time that was posted. They want to make the drama something to talk about.

Its not a mantra. Its a fact that more should realize. A mantra is for self help like AA members do. I am just repeating a statement.

This isn't about the podcast. Flytape has been abusing his powers as a moderator by banning people for simply disagreeing with him. It is about whether or not the community whats to continued to be attacked by a fascist bigot. No one in the community was asking for flytape back. The moderators did it to further their own agenda.

They are trying to convince themselves that its true

So many are quick to call you a shill or worse as soon as you don't agree with them.

I wonder why that is. Its not like the shills here aren't transparent as glass. Zio, big pharma, vaccine, GMO, holocaust, etc.

Because of the actions and performance by 2 mods (axolotl and flytape) last year around 9/11, Abby Martin decided she would never perform an AMA here. Ben Swann also declared that the toxicity and focus of the place is too risky to be associated with after all the hitler and holocaust stickies.

Yeah it doesn't matter. At all. I was pointing out their mistake in acting unilaterally because if they'd asked for feedback before posting it they would have known it sucked. Its pretty lame to publish it as the "official" podcast when it fucking blows because you didn't ask your associates what they think, you know?

Thank you for admitting that the podcast is relevant. I've already said multiple times that I don't like /u/flytape and I'm only defending him because you guys are blowing up my shilldar. But yeah I wanted to discuss the podcast which I view as the source of this upsurge in drama about an already controversial mod -- so excuse me.

I'm not certain I am understanding this statement correctly for reasons previously outlined.

I am sorry I said I was done responding to you but the last comment was so dumb I just had too.

Thank you for admitting that the podcast is relevant.

Do you even realize I do the exact opposite of that?

just because the recent abuse (out of many cases) happened on a thread that was the podcast doesn't mean the situation is about the podcast.

If I am a shill why have I been a part of this community for twice as long as you and have 4 times your comment score? What exactly in my post history signifies shill? Your account has barely any history and hasn't been on reddit for even a year.

I'm only defending him because you guys are blowing up my shilldar.

Just saying this looks like the pot calling the kettle black when your purposefully detracting from the topic at hand.

So now I will definitely disable my inbox replies this time because I am done feeding the troll.

Into doing the podcast? nah he did it willingly, we were talking about it for at least a few days beforehand in the IRC from the sidebar, assuredly had the idea, and Flytape agreed to be the guest.

This was their first time making one and it's unfortunate that hardly anyone is taking that into account when considering the quality.

You are diluting credible conversation because you want attention. That's narcissistic personality disorder.

So many are quick to call you a shill

In my experience, not true. For every one person like that in this sub there's 6 downvoting him and telling him to shut the fuck up.

Been called one multiple times. No one said anything. But I won't say that's the norm.

Third this.

I don't give a fuck what they do, say or believe as long as they don't censor my ability to share news I want to share with the community.

troutfist

I'm seeing so many regular /r/conspiracy posters and contributors in these threads, it's amazing.