All Leftists/Liberals/Democrats Are Communists With an Emotional Child-Like View of the World. Driven By Desire to Change Reality Based on Feelings and Remove From Society All Who Disagree With Their Religious Dogma of 'Equality'
0 2015-04-08 by Na7Soc
They don't believe in free speech, they don't believe in tolerating dissenting opinions.
For example, if you disagree with a leftist, they won't seek to prove you wrong, or to explain the wisdom of their beliefs but instead will try to find your employer to have you fired, have you business boycotted have you harassed, or even send masked thugs to physically harm/murder you.
National Socialists are the only ones who seek honest discussion in order to hammer out what is false and what is true.
"Conservatives" "Neocons" etc. all act just like Communists if the topic is about Israel/Race. The Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh types all basically say "The Communists are right socially! We are all equal! They're just wrong economically!" (But when 'republicans' own both houses/presidency NOTHING CHANGES ECONOMICALLY)
Will YOU (The non-National Socialist reader) find the courage to ABANDON EGO AND IDENTITY and instead deal ONLY WITH FACTS to reach a conclusion in a debate about RACIAL EQUALITY, THE STRATEGIC VALUE OF ALLIANCE WITH ISRAEL, THE FEDERAL RESERVE CENTRAL BANK, AND MASSIVE THIRD WORLD IMMIGRATION/CRIME?
Pretend you've exhausted every single insult and label, pretend you've called us ever name in the book and now your ONLY RECOURSE, is to prove why racial equality is real despite GLARING INEQUALITIES in crime and intelligence/achievement. Explain why Israel is worth ENDLESS TOTAL WAR WITH NO BORDER DEFINED LIMITS AND NO CLEAR DEFINITIONS FOR VICTORY AND NO END IN SIGHT.
209 comments
9 craigdevlin 2015-04-08
You realise it's pretty stupid to say Democrats are Communists, don't you. I mean, their respective names highlight how incredibly different their political ideology is.
It's also ridiculously stupid to say all [insert opposing view] is this/that.
Like saying all right wing voters are neocon, libertarian,corporatists. You have just thrown together words you don't even understand but have been lead blindly to hate.
2 mynamesyow19 2015-04-08
thank you ^
-1 unclescham 2015-04-08
It's all basically words, right? American communists don't vote republican.
5 craigdevlin 2015-04-08
Which is true, but you can also say American nazis don't vote Democrat, it doesn't mean that all Republicans are then Nazis, does it?
-2 unclescham 2015-04-08
We can both recognize the mistake of using all but the progressive march of the center to the left brings communist idealism closer to mainstream. Even the right has moved so far left that it's indistinguishable to a principled over-50 conservative.
-4 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
No it's a matter of reality. Equality, racial equality, open borders, massive government collection of all income and redistributing it to their party comrades.
This is communism, maybe not your personal view of what communism should be but that is something entirely different, more like a psychological disorder.
2 craigdevlin 2015-04-08
So you oppose racial equality on the grounds that it is communist? I actually thought I was going to get at least a half intelligent response, jesus fucking christ.
2 [deleted] 2015-04-08
no, he opposes communism on the grounds that it preaches racial equality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc
-4 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Its not real kid
Cannibals and witch doctors infested with parasitic organisms who cant swat flies off themselves aren't out equals
8 mechamoses3000 2015-04-08
I'm confused about what this post is about.
-6 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
There is one conspiracy that stands above all the rest, and it has to do with all these issues i'm talking about and more.
One could say "It's the globalists" like Alex Jones, or you can look into the names and faces of the globalists and realize it's a gang of talmudic jews.
That is why people go to jail for reaching the truth and questioning the relationship between the western world and the people of Israel and it's dual citizens infesting us.
In America the same thing, you can be a Communist and good for you, but if you say anything about race/alliance with Israel then it is commanded that your employers be harassed into firing you, or your business boycotted and basically your subjugation into the ethnic cleansing of the white race via mass immigration that a high positive birth rate couldn't compete with.
It's the frog boiling in water, just slowly turning up the heat on us until the paradigm shifts and Whites even totally united couldn't vote/maintain our ethnic interests.
Whites ended slavery, secured women's rights, came up with the very concept of human rights, against the backwards despotism you find in third world nations that still have these policies. Yet the Jewish monopoly media says "Whites are privileged and owe the poor people of color a free living and retirement, and if they commit violent crime it's not their fault but yours whitey"
-7 Zeus250BC 2015-04-08
It's about waking up to Tyranny.
3 strokethekitty 2015-04-08
Whjte supremacy, national socialism... Sounds awefully familiar.
The problem with white supremacy is that it is an ideology based on fallacies. Patterns truely exist within racial/ethnic parameters, otherwise stereotypes would all be made up. However, intelligence, achievements, and all the other things you imply whites are supreme at know no color. These attributes are human attributes, disseminated throughout the races. Ethnicity does not intrinsicly prescribe any of those attributes. Rather, these attributes are dependent upon many different variables.
Socialism, on paper, is apparantly a good idea. But thats as far as this pidgeon flies. Whenever you introduce the human element into an idealistic situation, you will end up with errors. With socialism, this error results in despotism. Add white supremacy with socialism and you get something resembling the Nazis.
Throughout history, those who harbored freedoms achieved more, and those who harbored freedom were happier. Those who lived in shackles and under oppression suffered the worst. When the People own the their own sovereignty, the People profit. When any other entity owns the sovereignty of the People, the People suffer.
Those are the facts im interested in. Not the crime/ethnicity statistics.
I disapprove of many of the doings of Israel. But i suspect it is for different reasons than you.
-2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
What fallacies?
The only fallacy I see is the fallacy that every ethnic group and their civilizations are equal.
National Socialism isn't economic socialism, in fact it places entire emphasis on private property and the individual mind/individual effort.
As for "White supremacy" if I am a supremacist for saying the concrete truth that Whites built the western world and it's culture and deserve to dominate in those areas then yes I am a supremacist.
If someone says white nations must inject so many third worlders that whites erode into extinction what does that make them?
National Socialism is freedom for the white race, and in their short time as a free people Germany brought jets, electronic computer, synthetic fuel/biodiesel jet fuel, space faring rockets, nuclear energy (Werner Heisenberg) etc.
Why is it so many people of different nations joined the Waffen SS if the Nazis were so 'supremacist'? Why did Germany have more "non white" allies than Germany's enemies? Why is it vastly more Allies/Comintern personnel defected to Germany and not the other way around?
Jews are the ones who harbor racial animosity and desire an entire world of their own, they project their plans and desires onto Hitler and the National Socialists who sought freedom for their people.
Right now it's Jews enforcing their totalitarian rule throughout the world via democracy spreading (a Jewish Marxist dogma), setting up "hate speech/hate crime" laws and "holocaust denial" laws.
National Socialism has ZERO to do with economic/marxist socialism.
Hitler Speech: March 23 1933
"Great are the tasks of the national Government in the sphere of economic life.
Here all action must be governed by one law: the people does not live for business, and business does not exist for capital; but capital serves business, and business serves the people. In principle, the Government will not protect the economic interests of the German people by the circuitous method of an economic bureaucracy to be organized by the State, but by the utmost furtherance of private initiative and by the recognition of the rights of property....
The Government will systematically avoid currency experiments."
4 strokethekitty 2015-04-08
With brevity in mind, would you care to define "National Socialism"?
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Race and nation
2 strokethekitty 2015-04-08
So ive looked at your history, and one of your subs that you mod (nationalsocialism) and i have a question:
You claim that national socialists are, "We are the ONLY group that truly defends our nation's way of life now reduced to a memory," yet, you advocate for an america of one race (i.e. whites)? Do i get thst right?
Because if so, and i dont want to judge you yet until you answer, how do you deal with ghe fact that one of the founding principles of this country is thst all Men are created equal, and has always been a metling pot of immigrants?
I support your right to believe whatever it is thst you believe, no matter if i may disagree. But it feels like your goal is to turn america into something it never was meant to be, while claiming you are turning it into exactly what it was always supposed to be. If this is true, itd be better if you amd your group created your own nation, where only you and your race could live (wherein if any other race resides in, they must be treated as second class when compared you to your race).
But then, wouldnt that make you exactly the same as that which you claim is evil?
Correct me where you think im wrong. Alledgedly, national socialists are proponents of open and honest debate. Lets see...
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Naturalization Act of 1790
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
and?
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Exactly what are you confused about?
This was founded as a white republic
Crystal clear
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
The nation was founded in 1790?
There weren't literally more than a dozen amendments to the constitution and then a further half dozen modifications to the Naturalization act?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
When at any point did I say we were founded 1790?
Why do you have to jew a discussion up just do your downvote and move on
Reducing a discussion to your small minded pettiness is not working anymore
Article 1 Section 2 of U.S Constitution
"Representatives are to be elected by free persons excluding Indians non taxed three fifths of other persons"
The constitution defined racial parameters
The founding fathers didn't want a bunch of garbage crime infested urban wastelands like Detroit is today
Funny how all these problems the "Nazis" called out decades ago.
"Diversity is our strength" - Leftist
"British girls abused on an industrial scale" - UK News
"Its worth it for diversity!" - Marxist sociopath
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
When you said this
Huh?
Nonsequitors and dodging the question
Actually doesn't say that at all.
And the third clause was later amended.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
I said we were founded as a white republic and thats the truth
The constitution codified it and the Naturalization Act even further solidified it
No one wanted the immigration reform act of 1965 except the Anti Defamation League
"non sequitors and dodging the question"
Not really but you deliberately misunderstand simple phrases and come out saying "we be founded in 1790? Shieeeeeet"
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Did it?
Because those were all changed. Unless of course you're trying to pretend that any changes after a convenient date, a date that you've decided, don't matter.
Hearsay.
Which you went on to make the statement of:
and then used an article from 1790 as evidence. That's your misunderstanding, not mine.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Did it?"
Yeah, it did. I'll repeat it for you since you apparently have goldfish memory. Article 1 Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, and the Naturalization Act of 1790. Segregated living space for different races.
The changes to immigration law are two things, 1 unpopular and forced, 2 they are completely detrimental.
There is absolutely nothing positive about mass third world immigration that makes up for the death/crime/rape/drug trafficking/organ trafficking/human trafficking/child grooming.
I'd rather have White America where you could speak your mind, not stress out because you forgot to lock your house/car door, and enjoy a neighborhood community that has a lot in common culturally rather than people working third world wages and live prisoners in their own homes.
"Hearsay"
It's the truth. They tried to change our immigration laws before, but it didn't work because the politicians weren't all blackmailed/controlled/coerced into agreeing.
Ted Kennedy said the ADL worked for "over half a century" to get this immigration law.
"Then used an article from 1790"
You what? An article from 1790? Or our nations' first Immigration law from 1790?
As an inferior Jew your gaping maw keeps seeking to reduce the conversation to these petty misunderstandings on your part.
The irony is hilarious though, you say Germans have no right to German land, but that Khazar converts to Judaism have a right to Palestine. Only an anti semite would disagree!
If you accept the label of anti semite then that's like another 6,000,000 because you rely on people going on the defense instead of saying "yes I am, now how am I wrong?"
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Ammended.
Modified.
More of that hearsay.
Hearsay. I don't think I've seen a single statement of fact from you.
What does that have to do with anything?
Like in Nazi Germany!
I grew up in a minority white neighbourhood and never had these issues. Meh.
A black man threw a bbq for the whole street every year and ran most of the school's volunteer extracurricular activities. Sounds like you are just suffering from having a shit childhood.
Hey I wonder if that has to do with third world wages and absurdly expensive cost of living?
Citation needed. Hart Cellar was quite popular; specifically because it pertained to job-placement ability and familial ties over arbitrary quota.
Everything is a coverup with you people, isn't it?
Not America's first immigration law. Laws regarding immigration didn't start showing up until the 19th century. The 1790 article regarded citizenship.
Show me where I said that?
Huh?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Amended"
Against the will of the people "WE THE PEOPLE"
"Modified"
By a gang of Jews who have absolute hatred for "goyim" (non jews) who they view as livestock/slaves.
"More of that hearsay"
Please juden, show me the seas of Americans protesting and demanding that the third world flood America, and that politicians were responding to the will of the people and not the Anti Defamation League. Please prove me wrong.
"Like in Nazi Germany!"
National Socialist Germany, it would literally kill you to not use a term invented by Communist Jew Konrad Heiden to be derogatory to National Socialism
"I grew up in a minority white neighborhood and never had these issues, le reddit meh"
Now THAT's hearsay. Also, FBI Color of Crime.
"A black man threw a BBQ for the whole street every year"
You know a black man that threw a BBQ, wow, racial equality must be real then based on this! (When did I ever say blacks can't BBQ?)
"Hey I wonder if that has to do with third world wages and absurdly expensive cost of living?"
Thanks Jewish backed Free Trade policies and immigration.
"Citation needed"
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/05/joe-bidens-faux-pas/
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/CofCchap7.pdf
Citation given juden.
"Everything is a coverup with you people isn't it?"
You mean like George Lincoln Rockwell's assassination? General Patton's assassination? Israel's false flag attack on America in Lavon Affair/USS Liberty/September 11? Israel using white phosphorous, Israel's nuclear arsenal. The fact Israel won't sign nuclear non proliferation treaty unlike Iran a peaceful nation.
"Show me where I said that?"
You said Hitler invaded Poland instead of the reality which is he defended Germans from Poland, Rydz Smigley boasted that in two weeks Poland would win and annex all of Prussia.
However, you seem to have the desire to reduce the conversation to tired old talking points of "but churchill and roosevelt didn't start le ww2 XdddDDD, Hitler was out to conquer the universe!11"
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Hearsay.
Hearsay.
Your claim stands in stark contrast to what history shows. So you're going to have to start backing up your moronic assertions
And in Nazi Germany, it probably would literally kill me.
Citations needed.
Doesn't mention Hart Cellar once.
The occidental observer. Really?
Right, Macdonald's paper shows Jewish involvement in shaping immigration policy.
Tell me again how any of that relates to what you were saying that no one wanted the 1965 act?
What does he have to do with anything? Was his murder a coverup?
Yup. Everything is some kinda secret coverup with you people.
What about Israel? I never mentioned Israel.
You sure are eager to bring up Israel at every possible junction
Yes. I said that. I never made any insinuations about Israel.
Yes, by invading Poland.
So? Of course the commander of the Polish army would feel confident in his prowess. Poland was certainly confident in her ability to repulse an attack, or at least, like the rest of the world, underestimated Germany's skill.
I'm not sure you understand what reductionism is, but you've been the only one here doing so.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
It's hearsay to state the fact subversive politicians that didn't run on a campaign of importing third worlders but did it anyway?
It's hearsay to state the fact Americans would have said no?
Yeah....no.
"Citations needed"
This coming from you :D!!!!!
"The occidental observer. Really?
Yeah, that's right kid. What of it? Nothing to add? All you can say is "But dat be nazi an nazi facts don't matter, if a nazi says 2+2=4 then he's still wrong!"
General Patton was assassinated.
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/17/new-evidence-surfacing-us-assassinated-general-patton/
http://fathersmanifesto.net/bazata.htm
Douglas Bazata ADMITTED assassin of Patton.
"So? Of course the commander of the polish army would feel confident in his prowess! As a Jew I'm also going to ignore the fact you mentioned his desire to take German territory including Prussia and focus instead on some bullshit about confidence!"
Jewwwwwwwwwwwws ladies and gentlemen
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
What? Huh? It's nonsense to state "it was against the will of the people" or somesuch
it's hearsay to state that the changes to the various naturalization acts were done "By a gang of Jews who have absolute hatred for "goyim" (non jews) who they view as livestock/slaves."
Op-ed pieces don't really count as citation regardless of whatever goofy internet rag they take place on
Same goes for...whatever those crazy links are.
who? So some loonie bin can just claim something and it's suddenly true?
Yes, the statement you referred to about taking Prussia doesn't really have much to do with Germany's own aggression. This statement (if such a statement is indeed factual, something that your whole truthseeker copypasta doesn't sourc) is quite clearly in response to the possibility of German aggression. That's the whole point of such a boast.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
It was against the will of the people, Americans even today are vastly opposed to any kind of amnesty and want an end to illegal immigration, but the Jew run Federal Government sues states for enforcing Federal law and sides against Americans for disease/parasite infested illegal alien scum.
"It's hearsay to state that changes to naturalization acts"
No it's not, the Anti Defamation League of Bnai Brith had tried as Ted Kennedy Said "For over half a century" when the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 was done.
Not just in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
But in Europe as this video shows, Jews are the driving force and leadership self admitted to ethnically cleansing whites via suicidal immigration, which is interesting considering that Israel deports third worlders and even sterilizes some.
"That doesn't count, something something goofy internet rag"
Thankfully these conversations are more for the silent observer than a Jew who only wants to poison discussion with superfluous trash.
"Whatever those crazy links are"
That's all you can do bud isn't it? Disagree for the sake of disagreeing and just claiming that nothing counts because you "feeeeeel" like it doesn't.
"I know you've given me these sources on these facts....but...I FEEEEEL this way!!"
"The statement you made about Poland's aggression doesn't have to do with Germany's aggression! Germany doesn't have a right to defend itself/it's people only Israel does!" - You the Jew
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Yes. Most people are in favour of reducing illegal anything. So now this is about illegal immigration?
clever
And? What does that have to do with the statement you made?
It doesn't.
If the "silent observer" wants to take in a poorly written tabloid as fact that's their prerogative.
The historical community generally doesn't accept unsourced, anonymous webpages.
If you want to create some kind of precedent for what's acceptable based on that metric, I can easily pull up any number of paranoid geocities websites with all kinds of claims and use them as reasonable evidence.
You haven't really provided anything. One single paper with any kind of academic practice.
I don't remember saying that.
Can you quote where I said that? You sure have an obsession with Israel.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/august_2014/voters_strongly_oppose_obama_s_amnesty_plan_for_illegal_immigrants
"Unsubstantiated claim" and this is present time America.
In 1965 Americans would have said HELL NO, to the Immigration Reform Act of 1965.
No politician ran on a campaign of "I will change America's culture by importing millions of third worlders!"
"You haven't really provided anything"
Translation, "I will not accept what you provide because of my dogma!"
"Can you quote where I said that?"
You said that by saying Germans don't have the right to reunify with Germany and instead must be forced to live under foreign occupation.
It reveals your philosophy without any room for misinterpretation.
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
You're all over the place with this. You reply to one statement with something completely different. I never mentioned anything about "amnesty for illegal immigrants". You're replying to yourself.
Unsubstantiated hearsay.
That's correct
No, because geocities websites don't count.
And where did I say anything, just one thing about Israel?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"You're all over the place with this"
k
"unsubstantiated history"
Convincing yourself I have no problem with, if you were able to somehow use facts to convince others that would be a response I wouldn't just laugh at.
"geocities websites don't count"
thankfully people can scroll up and just say "Oh ok that Jew was just throwing shit hoping it sticks to the wall"
"Where did I say anything, just one thing about Israel"
Whining about Jews is the same thing as whining about the Jewish state, they are one in the same.
Jews have their tribal mentality of pushing communism in the west yet those same jews will be ultra nationalistic for Israel.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
I don't remember saying anything about jews. That was you doing the whining.
Hey more nonsequitors about Israel
Israel Israel Israel.
There, I finally mentioned Israel for you.
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Fortunately, we don't base our entire culture or contemporary value system on the past. While "us whites" built something (most often directly on the backs of others), that doesn't mean in any way there's reason for it to stay that way. Just because something was done a certain way in the past doesn't mean it was the best way- only that it occurred as such.
Fortunately what we've learned in our permissive libtarded communist society is that skill and capability is not determined by skin colour. Nothing is given based on some arbitrary quality.
What about all those white Germans killed or imprisoned?
Allied Jet aircraft had been in development since the 1930s.
Computer systems were all considerably more advanced in both the US and England.
The Germans employed remarkably complex Dehomag analog systems for codebreaking.
Zuse, who developed one of the fist programming languages in Germany was not, interestingly enough, ever a member of the NSDAP. The German government also didn't show much interest in supporting him, either.
Self-Guided missiles were first developed by the US Navy.
Navigation systems, ground mapping, radar ferrets and electronic warfare packages, computerized fire control packages were all done first or done better by those libtarded socialist scum freedom hating allies.
Yes, the V2 was the first man made object in space. However, both rocket technology and "space programs" existed before the NSDAP took power inside and outside of germany.
Soviet Russia for some time also had the most advanced technology in regards to rocketry and space flight. So what? What is that an indicator of? I'm not sure who in their right mind sees that as an acceptable justification for well... Soviet Russia.
Who had been conducting good research well before the Nazis took power.
Otto Hahn (not a Nazi, was public about his criticism of the Nazi party) discovered fission in 1938; which of course was built on piles and piles of research conducted by scientists from other nations- some of whom actually had to flee german persecution. It was replicated (and later perfected) a few months later in the US.
I think that's pretty clear.
Well mainly, they didn't.
Also untrue. Hugely untrue.
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"built on the backs of others"
Sorry bud no matter how many times you lash a slave they
Won't build space faring rockets or discover DNA
Your logic is just Jewish talking points
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
That actually does nothing to address the point. Slaves were never employed by Nasa or Celera afaik- at least not in direct capacity.
That's the whole thing about slaves. You whip them and keep them uneducated so they never will.
Translation "I'm too lazy, uneducated or full of shit to bother speaking to any of them"
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Serve the will to do what?
Build an advanced western civilization?
Who are you kidding?
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
huh? what?
Doing anything is really quite difficult when enslaved.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
What were they doing before slavery? Being hunter gatherers
Pretty much the same as today
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Eh not really.
There aren't many hunter gatherer societies left in the world- much less in North America.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Eh not really"
But yeah, really though, despite you saying eh not really.
They are hunter gatherers, they form gangs and go out to hunt for iphones/white people's wallets and lives/steal food and swisher sweets from 7/11.
I mean they'll risk their lives to gunfight over a pair of new Air Jordans.
I'll send you a link to a shootout in Detroit over who makes better kool aid.
They are so equal! Clearly diversity is so wonderful! Anyone who disagrees MUST secretly want to exterminate alllllll the jews using gas!
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Very substantiative.
I see.
Quality retort. Even using that goofy metric, hunter-gatherer isn't even a correct definition. But I'll give you a pass on this one and assume that's just your propensity for non-sequitors and hyperbole and not simply your gross misunderstanding of anthropology.
Poverty is a bitch
It's unfortunate you have such a cartoonish, binary view of the world
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Very substantive"
That holds so much water with your ironclad record of "and?" and "But that doesn't matter to me!"
lol
Did you just learn the word non-sequitor today?
"Gross misunderstanding of anthropology"
Yeah, that coming from someone who thinks third world immigration is all good and no bad is pretty hilarious.
"We'z bez equal krakka now gimme yo wallet an yo bitch!" - Equal upstanding hustla
Poverty doesn't make blacks beat 7 year old girls in Sebring Florida to death, poverty doesn't make blacks/mexicans kidnap and torture girls for days pouring bleach down their throat and setting them on fire alive.
But....we're all the same! Skin color is clearly all that separates us! Nothing inside is different! Yep! Heh!?
Please, make your next post about Jared Diamond and guns germs and steel, that would be the cherry on top of this pitiful discussion.
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Pretty much. You can't just drop one liners and rely on insinuation.
See, there you go. Didn't really ever say that.
Well, it appears it may.
Well, it appears that it does.
Why? Jared Diamond makes a few good points wrapped in some very poor understanding of history. What does that have to do with anything?
To his credit; he appears a lot more intelligent and understanding of societal changes through time than you. So sure-
Jared Diamond's work is a flawed and simplistic view of the evolution of power and civilization but provides a good starting point to understand how conflicts resolve themselves over large timescales.
Of course, all the criticism I've ever encountered about Diamond comes from Historians and Anthropologists who question some of his basic understanding of mesoamerican politics and his general eurocentrism. I haven't yet come across a single neo-nazi with anything resembling a reasonable refutation or even synopsis of Diamond or even Mcneil's work.
But I didn't mention Diamond. You did.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
I can drop one liners if they're the truth. The subs on /r/NationalSocialism increase everyday and the messages I get from people waking up to the cause of social/economic decay prove it's working.
The time of Eastern Jewish Bolshevism and Western Jewish Capitalism is coming to an end like all corrupt empires.
3 canihaveahint 2015-04-08
Left of where? My left? Your left? Is left and right really a thing?
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
The left wants to increase equality at the expense of freedom
The right wants to increase freedom at the expense of equality
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1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Buddy if this is all you've got you're not swaying anyone.
This is just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing (Flailing about against something you cannot or will not understand)
3 Terex80 2015-04-08
Leftists will have your "businesses boycotted" for disagreeing with their beliefs. Firstly as you seem to be classing everyone left of Nazi as communist then surely there wouldn't be private business? Also have you ever heard of Kristalnacht? Or any of the early nazi things against the Jews (such as boycotts).
I do believe in free speech and I am fairly left wing. Your turn
-1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
What was bad about Kristalnacht?
Boycott in response to Jewish boycott and a Jewish declaration of war against Germany all over press in 1933
-1 Terex80 2015-04-08
Declaration of war?
Hundreds of Jews murdered 30k sent to concentration camps, synagogues destroyed Jewish businesses looted and destroyed.
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Hundreds of Jews murdered"
According to steven spielberg maybe.
Even still your story sounds like child's play compared to what the Jewish East Indian Company and Federal Reserve are doing. Or the endless total war for Israel with no defined borders or definition for victory.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
I don't believe he has made a film about it. According to every reputable historian you mean
Well I didn't even mention the thousands of years of discrimination suffered by the Jews. I agree that israel is shitty but they have come very close to peace and it is very difficult now with Netanyahu and Hamas
So are the Jews some hive mind or are they sub human? Standard logical fallacy for nazis
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"every reputable historian"
Reputable to whom? Why not lose the adjectives and stick to concrete facts.
"Thousands of years of discrimination suffered by the Jews"
Yes, I know, it must be so hard to be welcomed into host nations, plunder their poorest and most ignorant people and be exiled.
Clearly the entire world, the entirety of humanity all throughout history just suffer some inexplicable psychological condition that just makes you "Hate jews for no reason!"
The only logical fallacy here is your presentation.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Give me names of historians who deny hundreds of Jews being murdered.
Are Jews subhuman or planning world domination?
Also how do they plunder the poorest and most ignorant? They are discriminated against because they are a different religion, banked and had a different culture
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
You know there are historians and even heads of state today who deny the holocaust fraud
"they're all just anti semite!"
k
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Answer my question.
The holocaust did happen, even if the exact numbers are wrong it was still a terrible crime. Not the worst crime during WW2 but it would have been had the nazis conquered the soviet union
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
If the National Socialists conquered the USSR there would be Russia and no cold war, no communist china and Mao's "Great leap forward to 40+ million dead". No Communist occupation of Eastern Europe which was mostly sympathetic to Hitler.
The Holocaust is wartime propaganda to distract from Soviet/Allied actions of war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
There would be more than 40 million dead. Genocide of the Jews came about because the nazis were losing the war. They wanted to murder millions of Slavs (eastern Europeans and Russians). Heard of the hunger plan? Planned to wipe out 1/3 of soviet union pop in one winter.
So you really think that Germany would have not made nukes and had another cold war?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Look at this made up crap with zero basis.
If Germany made nukes first then Britain would have finally agreed to a peace as if war didn't happen
In the choice between the rise of National Socialists or Bolsheviks you choose the side of gulag slavery and death
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Germany was actually close to the nuke at the end of the war. Many nuclear scientists were Germans (our germans vs their Germans was commonly said about this)
The nazis would have killed millions, more than stalin or mao and also done all of it intentionally
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
This is just conjecture based on nothing real
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
What part? The nazis viewed the slavs as complete untermenshen
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Yet then there was the German backed Russian Liberation Army led by Andrei Vlasov and the Cossacks/Ukrainians
Millions of Russian people collaborated unlike vice versa
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
The states under the soviet union hated the soviet union and there is a decent argument that if the nazis had come as liberators then the manpower could have tipped the balance.
The hunger plan was written down by the nazis. They wanted to turn the Slavs into a slave race and settle Germans in the east (the whole idea of lebensraum)
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Except they didn't and supported the RLA and Russians kept defecting to Germany.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Because they needed to win the war, after they would have turned. Quite funny how I know more about the nazis then a new nazi
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"After they would have turned"
No? The Bolshevik Jews are the ones that turned on the Russians and killed tens of millions of their own. Germany was a gag reflex to this poison.
The allies were the ones that turned on the RLA and those Russians who didn't want to be Stalin's gulag slaves. Operation Keelhaul.
You project onto Germany what international Jews are.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
How did Bolshevik Jews turn in the Russians?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Even Putin said the first Soviet gov't was over 80% Jewish. Jews are the force in Communism.
Ilya Ehrenberg, Lavrenti Beria, Lazar Kaganovich, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Marx, Solomon Morel
http://www.darkmoon.me/2015/stalins-willing-executioners-jews-hostile-elite-ussr/
American Newspapers during the Communist takeover of Russia ran an article that said "Jews face annihilation as soviet power wanes"
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9900E3DB1731EF33A25753C2A9619C946095D6CF
If the Tsar and the White Russians had won, they would have rightly revenged against these people who incited an ethnic massacre against Russians while crying Holocaust about Hitler.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Stalin was a raging anti semite.
Also how is soviet power waning if they are coming to power?
I shouldn't even try to argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you on experience (though you aren't beating me)
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Why don't you stick to facts, all you've done is read what I post and just do this thing where you disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
"Bring you down to their level"
I'm actually far above you since I post more than opinion and conjecture that goes beyond fetishizing about comic book style nazi supervillain futures.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Anyone who believes in sub humans cannot claim any moral high ground
What "Nazi supervillain futures"
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Talking about how the German government would just turn on Russians and just start slaughtering them or something in peace time.
You said "turn on" them, when in reality the Russians were already betrayed and needed to be liberated.
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
Well I have already given an example of their plan. Also the nazis did go back on allies and betrayed, nazi soviet pact? Saying they wouldn't expand further?
Well it doesn't make sense at all then why the Russians fought so fiercely against the nazis does it. Also the first poison gas trials were on Russian PoWs
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
You didn't give an example of their plan, you gave an opinion backed by nothing.
The Russians betrayed the Nazi Soviet Pact by occupying Baltic States/Invading Finland/Occupying part of Romania. Stalin was building up his army to attack the Axis on July 7 1941, and Hitler beat him to the punch in June 22 1941.
Do you realize how lunatic it is for a state like the USSR to exist doing what it does, killing who it does, and supporting world revolution like it does and NOT develop a position like Hitler did?
It would be completely negligent not to stop the Bolsheviks who were clearly planning to "liberate" all of Europe with their miserable system.
Get some facts under your belt instead of just throwing out conjecture hoping something will stick
1 Terex80 2015-04-08
The hunger plan is well documented. As is trying poison gas in POWs.
I don't understand your third paragraph at all
The soviets were bad yes. However the nazis I believe we're worse
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Thats because you are callous towards the plight of anyone not Jewish apparently since a fraud six million is nothing to what communists did
1 Terex80 2015-04-08
I am not. I know that more were killed by communists however those were not industrial slaughter and had the nazis won they would have killed many more.
On the other hand you have no compassion towards Jews and seem to think that anyone left wing is evil (even though benefits stop people starving)
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
What's that? You say killings of Jews matters more?
Sick mentality
Also the six million claim is false just like the dozens of other newspapers since 1915 I brought up
What about benefits? Besides gross mismanagement of taxpayers money and a bigger gap between the poor and rich
1 Terex80 2015-04-08
No. I am saying that how it was so systematic makes it awful. The other crimes by Mao and Stalin are terrible too
Says the person who thinks the nazis were great guys
6million, 3million still more people than I could possibly imagine. Let me guess you deny gas chambers?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
do you think communism killed around 60+ million not systemically?
You are doing the whole jew argument where nothing except jew deaths mean anything even if its a fraud backed by thought crime laws
1 Terex80 2015-04-08
No I am not. I also do know that not all the deaths in the holocaust were Jewish deaths and am much more grounded in reality not in some fantasy land were npthe nazis did nothing wrong.
Can I just ask how much of a nazi you are? You seem to missed the main hatred of Slavs, obsessing over Jews
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Where is the evidence that the National Socialist government issued any kind of mass murder orders?
It doesn't exist.
"You seem to missed the main hatred of..."
Who is the National Socialist here, me or you? Sounds like YOU missed something there partner.
2 Terex80 2015-04-08
The camps. Firing squad, gassing, starvation.
What did I miss?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
people weren't gassed There is zero evidence
Also Berlin was surrounded and Europa carpet bombed with phosphorous. No food or medicine could move anywhere
If the west negotiated peace they could have let National Socialists and Communists fight but instead they starved European cities and bombed everything
They created the conditions for skinny camp inmates
This is all so very obvious.
2 Terex80 2015-04-08
Not true. There were gassings.
Yes but remember Leningrad? How is that better?
The west didn't want the soviet union to get too far west.
Yes supply lines were damaged but they were starving before that. They weren't fed enough.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Not true, there were gassings"
Because you insist? Sorry not good enough.
"Yes but remember Leningrad? How is that better?"
Because the Soviets had a choice, they could have left no military presence there, or even evacuated the civilian population (which Stalin refused to do for Stalingrad).
Germany offered peace over a dozen times, the western allies insisted on making total war on civilian areas and refugee cities that has no military presence.
"The west didn't want the soviet union to get too far west"
Not according to General Patton. Eisenhower took his fuel away and gave it to British General Montgomery in order to make sure Soviets would occupy Eastern Germany. So many military and army intelligence services confirmed this, as well as congressional investigations on the Communist infiltration of Franklin Roosevelts "New Deal" administration.
The Institute of Pacific Relations etc were all working in concert to further communist objectives at our expense. FDR even sent Stalin about half of our uranium supplies.
The only reason the USSR was capable of fighting a war is because FDR set up unlimited aid to the USSR in his first year of office.
"Yes supply lines were damaged but they were starving before that"
More unbacked conjecture. You never list any sources at all. I can show you pictures of fat chubby people at camp "liberation"
When Jews and others were asked if they wanted to stay and be "liberated" by the Red Army or retreat with the Germans, they chose to retreat with their "exterminators"
This is it though, your entire argument justifying Communist expansion and wiping out Europe is the "six million" fraud.
It's the keystone holding together your lunacy.
2 Terex80 2015-04-08
Ok proof that they were starving in camps? 'The man who broke into Auschwitz' Dennis aver, fantastic book well worth the read. Show me those pictures.
Yes the west allowed the soviets to take Berlin because they knew it would be a horrible battle.
Inmates at concentration camps were taken on death marches and the ill were left behind.
When do I justify communist expansion? I think the soviets were terrible
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
I didn't ask for that
Your reading comprehension is willfully trash to waste time and distraction
Holocaust eyewitnesses are tall tale frauds like Elie Wiesel and Simon wiesenthal
Proof is not the word of a lying jew
Prove that the national Socialists gave orders to exterminated exterminate anyone.
First you say we tried to stop the Soviets from going west now youre making up stuff about how Berlin would have been hard and other unbacked conjecture
2 Terex80 2015-04-08
well Dennis Avey was not a Jew so well done.
Action T4 euthanasia campaign. Ensatzgruppen.
Make stuff up? No I am not the west allowed the Russians to take Berlin them selves and look at the fight for berlin. It was brutal. Stalin wanted the west to open another front for a long time around 25 million soviets died in WW2
Do you, as a ardent believer in racism, and nazism believe in Eugenics and race theory?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
There is absolutely nothing here that shows evidence of an extermination plan. You're grasping at straws and just throwing out buzzwords hoping it will stick.
"Ensatzgruppen"
Okay, and the British SAS. Now what?
"Look at the fight for Berlin, it was brutal"
Because the west refused to negotiate peace with Germany. The West declared total war on Germany, and mass bombed civilian areas first.
Eugenics is a fact, you can breed out genetic disease, and race "theory" isn't a theory at all, racial equality is not real.
Six Million Jews, in Newspapers since 1915
Germany was ready to negotiate peace at any time with the west. The brutality/length of the war is their fault for their goal of spreading Communism.
2 Terex80 2015-04-08
Einsatzgrupppen helped to organise pogroms, mass shootings, weeding out hiding Jews. And what about Aktion t4? You denying that as well?
Germany had stepped a line, it couldnt be like WW1 total defeat was needed.
Eugenics is not fact. It was based on the assumption that the reason poor people were shorter was because of their genetics when in fact it was their diet.
How is race equality not real?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"How is race equality not real?"
Science
1 Terex80 2015-04-08
What is that you just did? Ignored all my points and had an unfounded statement. Tut tut
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Youre the one that Ignores every point
You make it your sole effort to lower the discussion level to petty nonsenese and things you make up
0 Terex80 2015-04-08
No I have not. Answer my points
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2 SovereignMan 2015-04-08
Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Its okay if its true
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
So do you have anything to add to the discussion? I hear a deafening silence from the entire subreddit save for these jews who follow my posts around and link to every post I make outside of /r/NationalSocialism
Does the /r/Conspiracy moderation team do anything to keep shilling in check?
2 SovereignMan 2015-04-08
We have no rules against "shilling". Nor does any other sub that I'm aware of.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
The SAS were a roughly regiment sized military group of special forces which focused on high value targets and materiel.
The Einsatzgruppen were a paramilitary group which were tasked with extrajudicial killing and the murder of civilians and was composed of a half dozen battalion strength groups.
Germany pioneered the bombing of civilians during the Spanish Civil war and were the first to employ it, again, against civilians during WW2
Sure they were. They were ready for the West to leave them alone to their affairs while they invaded and killed without repercussion. Wanting peace and wanting to be left along while you kill people aren't the same.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Civilians?
No they were partisan fighters
Spanish civil war now? Whats wrong cant stick to the discussion? Franco handled that bud
Germany wanted peace it was Jewish Media and finance that wouldn't allow it.
"ininvaded and killed without repercussion"
That would be colonial Britain and France bud.
Germany Fought Jewish dominated world powers
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Einsatzgruppen generally did not handle anti-partisan duty. This was handled by the regular police and by either the Wehrmacht or SS though many reprisal killings were carried out by the Einsatzgruppen.
Germany using terror-bombing in this context is directly relevant.
With Germany providing the pilots and aircraft which would do the civilian bombing.
Germany wanted people to leave them alone.
Well we're not talking about colonial Britain or France.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=68
Evidence given about Einsatzgruppen is laughable. The pictures the scribbled notes on scratch paper that are supposedly orders etc.
"Germany used terror bombing"
Compared to what the allies care bombing and love nukes?
Communists use civilian partisans not helpless idiots that would waste ammo and give away position
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Okay, and? What does this have to do Einsatzgruppen killing civilians?
This particular document and the resulting discussion only concerns a single particular instance; not whether or not Einsatgruppen killed civilians and whether or not they were in charge of anti-partisan activity.
I never made any comparisons. However, you made this incorrect statement, which is what I replied to:
"The West declared total war on Germany, and mass bombed civilian areas first."
Huh?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Learn to read i guess if youre so confused
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
u got rekt m8
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
You respond with confoundment or "..and?"
FDR built up Russia from a backwards torn agrarian state into and industrial power with gulag slaves and kidnapped American engineers
You just respond with confusion and move to a different deflection
The reality is Einsatzgruppen were am anti partisan (today called terrorist) force
Germany negotiated honorable peace with every nation that came to the table. Germany would have then stabilized Russia and safeguard Europe from the mass immigration forced by jewish organizations lobbying and funding far left groups like Soros
All allied soldiers commmit mass looting and rape while the Germans did nothing like this. Churchill bombed civilian cities first he declared war first ostensibly to defend Poland but instead had it handed to Stalin at Tehran and Yalta Conference.
All American aid.to Stalin during FDRs first years went to support Mao also
Half truth speaking media in America much like you ignored the Soviet presence and armor in China supporting Maos guerrilla and assassin campaign. Harry Dexter White and Morgenthau helped fix precious metal rates and destroyed Chiangs economy doing everything they could using operatives like Solomon Adler rousing the Chinese against Chiang Kai Chek.
Japans Greeter East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere was liberating Asia toward a cultural and national awakening thst would have restored unity and real technology progress in Asia just like in Europe under The National Socialists
Instead we got diversity bankruptcy technological stagnation and a sea of radical identity politics of everyone wanting a slice of us.
Trash Judeo Bolshevism
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Because you keep responding with nonsequitors.
No he didn't. Collectivization, which was aided in part by a brief foreign trade boom, was only the beginning of stalinist policies aimed at returning russian industrial output to number seen in previous years.
You haven't demonstrated this to be true. The majority of anti-partisan duty was handled by other organizations. One can read this in Gerlach, Blobel, Edeiken and Stalecker.
Yes. She wanted a carte blanche- to be left alone to do whatever she wanted. Peace and freedom from repercussion are not the same.
You'll have to find a source, even a single source, to back up anything even approaching this moronic claim.
Germans were implicated in a large number of war crimes and their behaviour in occupied territory was considerably worse than any of the western allies.
Germany invented civilian terror bombing and was also the first to employ it during the war.
So by your logic, Germany has a right to invade other countries to "protect people", but others can't do the same?
By 1933-1934, the US' economic activity was roughly half what it was the year before. FDR's recognition of the Soviet state was not nearly as successful economically as some had hoped. Not that none of this was in the form of "aid" but legitimate two-way economic activity and investment extending from the NEP system.
I didn't ignore it. It's not relevant to the einsatzgruppen and civilian terror bombing.
More nonsequitors. What does that have to do with anything?
Lol. "Liberating". Nazis and fascists sure love that term. Don't worry, we're not executing anyone- we're liberating them!
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"No he didn't"
Yet he did and congressional investigations reveal just how much aid and intelligence was given to the USSR
http://np.reddit.com/r/WhiteRights/comments/2soar3/the_decline_and_fall_of_the_united_states_details/
There I listed just how much was given to the lunatic soviet state.
You keep calling answers to your questions non sequitors
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Following NEP, Russia would see effective foreign trade. That's correct. FDR was not responsible for Russia's economic changes despite however FDR felt about stalin.
Great, some unsourced copypasta from who knows where. Even just skimming it I can see it's pretty poorly researched and full of a lot of goofy assumptions and power words.
The dates for numbers given change all throughout. I never made reference to "the total amount given between the first five year plan and the end of the second world war". The only one to make any such declarations was you; and they were in reference to FDR's first year in office- which you were wrong about. That would be called changing the goalposts, and it's the same slimy tactic you continually employ whenever one of your points is debunked.
I posed no questions.
Responding to a statement with a completely irrelevant anecdote would be considered a nonsequitor. That's evidenced by some fault statements about the einsatzgruppen and germany's bombing campaign repeatedly being met by statements about Mao Zedong. I'm actually surprised you haven't mentioned israel yet.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
It's not unsourced, you're just a liar.
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Yes. It doesn't have a single citation. That's the definition of unsourced. Similarly, many of the phrases contained therein are directly plagiarized from other sources which aren't cited.
You can't just call someone a liar without responding, just stating something doesn't make it true- and you certainly then can't go posting copypasta from plagiarized, unsourced material from a self published "expert" as some kind of evidence.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
its not unsourced youre a liar
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
You got rekt and can't accept it.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Are you trying to convince yourself now? Just like how the book I brought up in the link is "unsourced" because you say so?
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
No, it's unsourced because there are no sources
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Its from The Decline and Fall of the United States by Lt Col Anthony Masse Army Intelligence
The sources are all listed.
Stay mad trying to reduce the discussion to your miniscule lie
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Yes, and as I said, you didn't list any sources and Masse plagiarized many sentences without citation but I wouldn't expect you to understand how legitimate academic research is conducted. Someone who sits there with their fingers in their ears going "YOU'RE A LIAR" isn't interested in being held to the same standards and rigours as the rest of the world.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Now youre going to make up bs about Lt Col Anthony Masse? Really?
What craziness makes you think your word alone on these distracting accusations enough?
Just face it. You had no idea how FDR was the lifeline for Stalin and in turn Mao
You tried to narrow it to lend lease but got rekt
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
I didn't make anything up
Huh?
Actually I acknowledged foreign investment in soviet russia quite early on.
You (and Masse) don't seem to understand how economics work by conflating "aid" with bilateral trade and diplomacy. This is seen in one of your earlier responses which was typical posting of spam nonsequitors as a result of being corrected on a number of points.
But more importantly, I didn't mention lend-lease even once.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
k well its interesting how now you know all about masses book when I brought it up
Or you make up accusations that are generic and disagree for the sake of disagreeing
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
No, it's just easy to find sources. And I've been reading the crap you people have been using as "fact" for years so I'm pretty familiar with most of the copypasta that pops up.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Sorry, that's bs.
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Patton had a tendency to disregard logistics and push forward at an unsustainable pace. He generally demanded a massive chunk of supplies to push a dangerous and unsupported salient.
Moreover, Montgomery suing Eisenhower for a direct push to Berlin as they were in posture to do so. Pattons army was looking to tear through the Lorraine and the Saar pretty much on their own. Ike didn't really "take" anyone's fuel away. He was stuck between supplying the British and American groups; they were an allied army and neither a 40 division thrust through the Ruhr nor Third Army's assault through the Saar could exist, successfully in a vacuum.
The USSR had been receiving allied aid since before the 1941 agreement, and while the amount received was considerable, the lion's share of LL materiel was not received in Russia until well after the dice had been cast in the East. Only one lend-lease protocol was drawn up prior to Stalingrad while another three occurred after. After 1941 russia had only received ~2% of the total amount of LL she would receive across the course of the war. Trains weren't even shipped out until 1944. Lend-lease sped the Soviet advance but did not turn the German attack away, nor did was it the source for soviet victory in the east.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Thanks for making up stuff about Patton and all this unsupported conjecture
You can only throw feces hoping something sticks
You refuse to recognize anything I say about FDRs aid to Communism and try and narrow it down to just lend lease
Lend lease was just one of the many things FDR gave to Stalin
Eastern Europe and Asia among others
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
which did I make up? That Patton was to drive through lorraine?
Lend lease is the only thing you brought up in reference to FDR and the soviets.
FDR didn't give any of these things to Stalin.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
During the first Soviet Five Year Plan, 1929-1933, Americans provided concessions, technical assistance and trade with the Soviet Union; that is, American companies consulted, shared patents and personnel to assist in the economic development of Russia. . By the mid-1920s, American business and industry supplied more than 25 percent of all of Russia’s imports—a figure which declined as the depression increased. In 1929, more than 2,000 American industrial and agricultural experts, engineers and mechanics worked in the Soviet Union. During the 1930s, hundreds of Soviet students and engineers studied in America and returned to the Soviet Union
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Yes, and? What does this have to do with anything? Secondly, that copypasta is a load of shit; links to some website without a single citation. Stalin's Five Year Plans increased America's hesitation at trade with Russia, which peaked in 1930. Collectivization pushed foreign investment away and Stalin himself cut foreign imports considerably. Her grain exports were abysmal and couldn't generate much to buy with. The period of economic stimulation which accompanied the first five year plan saw considerably increased trade between Russia and America. So what? America was trading with everybody.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Yes and?"
Confirmed for being full of shit
-2 shmusko01 2015-04-08
The thing about boycotts is they are perfectly legal, reasonable, even rational things to do. Of course, that's ignoring the state sponsored anti-semitism which had been occurring already for some time.
Nothing about the circumstance you are referring to as "all over the press", wasn't. It wasn't all over the press by any stretch. As if a sensationalized title in a newsrag is any kind of substantiated, accurate description of anything. Moreover, there wasn't any monumental state of Judea with which to declare war.
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Yet jews managed to start both world wars and even make the peace agreements.
They also got their haven from international law (Israel)
Looks like your words dont make up for how things are going here in reality where talking points dont work
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
As far as I know Hitler wasn't a Jew.
Nor was Hirohito, Truman, Stalin or Churchill. Nor were Princip, Kaiser Wilhelm, Asquith...
Yes. Some things happen as a result of other things.
I'm not even sure what this sentence is supposed to say.
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
You never mentioned Warburg and Rothschild
Please kid these regurgitated talking points...
Just nauseating
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
I never mentioned Warburg and Rothschild.
That's right.
But those aren't really relevant.
To the
topic
at hand.
Instead you just
post non-sequitors
and dodge the question
instead of actually
addressing the points
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
oh only what you the jew says matters...
Why dont you just downvote and move on?
I mean Hitler starter world war 2?
He never declared war on Britain or France.
Germans arent obligated to live under polish and Czech occupation in their ancestral homes just because a gang of Rothschild Jews behind the Versailles Treaty says so.
Unification of German lands was the way to peace and ending bloodshed.
Forcing an intolerable situation to get worse while having a Jewish monopolized media conceal polish and communist aggression while highlighting "German expansionism" (into German land ironically)
Germany was a rising advanced nation with many products and inventions the world wanted access too so they cooked up a bullshit war.
Just like Saddams WMDS in Tikrit no one found
Where are the six zillion bodies!
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Of course. You haven't provided anything.
Yeah pretty much.
Of course. Because Hitler invaded Poland, among other things.
And Germany isn't obliged to go invading other countries.
Invading is the...way..to... huh?
There weren't many jews left in any kind of powerul media positions in Germany after they were all sacked in the middle of the 1930s.
Lithuania, the Sudetenland, Poland and Austria were not "German Land unironically". Nor was Germany within their right to invade without repercussion.
Too bad Hitler and his cronies had to bugger it all up.
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"You haven't provided anything"
Except I have and you say "That doesn't matter" or "and?"
This doesn't just cancel out what I've posted just to let you know.
"Because Hitler invaded Poland"
Poland should have stopped brutalizing Germans even children in the Danzig corridor and come to terms to let them be German again. Poland doesn't have the right to claim ancestral German cities just because a gang of Rothschild Jews and their Versailles Treaty says so.
Do you think America would care if Britain objected to us taking Texas back from Mexico? Funny how Israel today occupies Golan Heights, Gaza/West Bank and all we here is "Israel has a right to defend itself....but not Germans"
Worst part is that actually is German land that owes it's development to German people.
"Jews" today are just eastern khazars that claim to be hebrews with no real ancestral right to Palestine.
Once again you deliberately confuse the discussion with an attempt to narrow it to German media when I in fact was talking about ALL media (UK, France, USA) Not only did media conceal Polish atrocities against Germans which caused the Danzig crisis and Hitler's intervention, they also lied and said Hitler said he had no more goals after the Treaty of Munich when Hitler in fact said after the situation with Poland was resolved Germany would have no more goals.
Just like the media concealed the fact that the Chinese Civil War was backed by Moscow and their puppet warlord Mao Tse Tung. Completely concealing the Russian presence helping Mao attack Japanese Manchuria and instead painting a picture of "Japanese aggression"
This is why I brought up the Saddam WMD story.
The lies told about the Axis nations are even more ridiculous. "Six million jews died! Hitler was going to take over the entire Earth! All non blue eyed/blonde hair people will become slaves!"
Are we talking history or a comic book supervillain?
"Lithuania, the Sudetenland, Poland and Austria were not "German Land unironically". Nor was Germany within their right to invade without repercussion. "
Danzig corridor in "Poland" was German, Lithuania was annexed by the USSR so I guess you just got lost in your head, Sudentanland was German though, and so was Austria (which voted 99% to unify with Germany, what do you have to say about that?) Did Germany "invade" Austria? For an "Invasion" it seems odd for seas of people to come hail and salute Hitler who came in an open car convoy and walked around without fear of violence unlike every politician today.
Nothing you say stands up against reality. You know this but as a Jew you can't help but come disagree for the sake of disagreeing. It's in your nature to be greasy and underhanded.
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
You've provided single words or phrases that are either wrong, irrelevant or empty assumptions. You can't live your life on insinuation.
Danzig was a free city and had no obligation to "Become German" and Germany had no right to invade to do so.
Nobody does.
But frankly, as far as ancestors go, it was just as historically Polish as German, if not moreso.
Zero relevance. No one made any statements towards Israel.
Yeah. German people. Including German Jews.
Non sequitor.
No I didn't. The statement with regards to Germany was contextual as it related to the "rest of the world" and their apparently "false" narrative about Germany's aggression.
Which of course have been greatly exaggerated by revisionists.
But- even assuming the claim were true, doesn't really give Germany any kind of right to invade.
The Danzig crisis was caused by Hitler wanting the Danzig corridor and Poland. That's what caused that.
Huh? What?
Hm. Probably could have been all those other aggressive things they did.. like.. Invading manchuria...
But no instead somehow it was Mao...
Oh yeah... that whole "lie"..right..
Not really sure of anybody who's actually read a book or two in their life thinks this.
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Danzig was a free city.
It was not part of the Soviet Union until after the war.
Klaepida was annexed by the Germans in 1938.
Of course, according the the Nazis.
After violence, a handful of failed nazi-sponsored coups, and then finally under continual threat of invasion, Austria agreed to join with Germany. By this point, troops had already mobilized.
Once the Germans were handed power and were marching around Austria, killing and jailing opposition and dissenters- then there was a vote. Amazingly they claimed it was 99% in favour.
3 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
The occupation of the Baltic states refers to the military occupation of the three Baltic states—Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania—by the Soviet Union under the auspices of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on 14 June 1940[1][2] followed by their incorporation into the USSR as constituent republics, unrecognised internationally by most countries.[3] On 22 June 1941 Nazi Germany attacked the USSR and within weeks occupied the Baltic territories
So you're telling lies again. Stay classy Jew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1985-083-10,_Anschluss_%C3%96sterreich,_Wien.jpg
Here are all the oppressed invaded Austrians setting up a parade for Hitler and all of them of course know snipers are ready to shoot anyone not appearing happy!
Buddy, Sudentan and Austria are Germany, let's just say far more German than Palestine is Eastern Khazarian err I mean "Ancient hebrews" (not).
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Who said anything about this? Not me, that's for sure.
Klaipeda was annexed by Germany in 1939.
Oh boy.
Of course, after Hitler declared them to be and then invaded.
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
So let me get this straight, do you think because world war 1 ended and borders were changed, that the people in the changing borders magically morphed into polish people/czech/slovak people?
Entire cities just changed in history and ethnicity?
"Oh boy"
Yeah, oh boy with your history channel supervillain description of Germany's foreign policy.
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
The Sudetenland was never German. It was Austro-Hungarian after being separately Hungarian and Czech; etc. Under Austro-Hungary, things were looking like Czechoslovakia might become a thing, then the war. Yadda yadda yadda. Germany took it upon herself to invade to take territory- it was never their right to do so. Of course only a short while after "freeing" their German bretheren they marched into the rest of Czechoslovakia.
Danzig was free city, Germany also had no right to invade. Nor did Poland have any obligation to cede it to anyone.
Etc.
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Danzig was a German city.
The sudetenland was recognized as German in treaty of Munich. If Hitler was a hostile invader why did oceans of people come to greet the National Socialists?
I also love that tidbit about the USSR and the Baltic States
You got busted being full of shit just admit it.
"b but it was just a military occupation followed by annexation later! That counts pleaase believe me!"
Germany defended Europe from a Communist threat which is why all European nations had volunteers fight for Germany.
Spain France Norway Netherlands Belgium Russian Volunteers
National Socialism is better than democracy or communism especially for white nations who are only hurt by third world immigration
Your argument is the Jewish one that at any cost Germans must not reunite with Germany. That they should be forced to live under foreign occupation based on the Rothschild Versailles Treaty as if Jewish will is law.
You're mistaken though which is why people like me keep popping up. The ideas people like you put forth are social and economic failures with a self serving interest.
"Poland had no obligation to cease brutalizing Germans in occupied German territories! A treaty magically changed the cities and people into Poles and Germany has no rights!"
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Danzig at the time was an autonomous, free city which was neither Polish nor German. Prior to this it was Prussian, before that it was Polish.
Yes, because people didn't want war with Hitler.
You'll find idiots everywhere. It's one of the few universal constants.
Amd, as you stated- there were German people and people sympathetic to the Nazis.
Which tidbit exactly? The one where you didn't know what you were talking about?
What is this childish hyperbole in response to?
What relevance does this have to anything?
It doesn't. You're looking for justification.
Great. Good for them. I don't think I ever made any statements about the Nazis not being popular.
National Socialism took an emerging nation and reduced it and its people to ashes. Nice work Nazis.
You know you can be a democratic nation and practice very controlled immigration policies, right?
Huh? What? Your mastery of grammar and sentence structure is almost as adept as your ability to format reddit replies.
As far as I know Germany wasn't ever occupied until after the war.
And Germany had no right to invade, especially based on some trumped up pre-text.
Danzig was never German. Prior to 1918, it was Prussian territory which was won from Poland. During much of the late middle ages it was a self-governing autonomous city state. If you're wishing to invoke some kind of historical precedent, control of Danzig has far greater claim to being called Polish than German. However, I don't really care about invoking some dumb pre-Napoleonic precedent. Germany continually bullied Poland in attempt to cede the territory; when it wasn't, Hitler didn't just take Danzing but invaded Poland. That's a far cry from really worrying about the state of Danzigers. Attempts at "peacefully" resolving the conflict were used the same as they were elsewhere- a pretext for invasion, trumped up justification and threat under violence- "give us this peacefully or we will invade" is not diplomacy.
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Neither polish nor german"
I'll say this one more time for your thick talmudic head.
Just because WW1 ended, and borders changed, didn't magically change cities/people into Poles/Slovaks/Czechs. They were Germans forced to live under foreign occupation
"Yes because people didn't want war with Hitler"
Citation needed
"You'll find idiots everywhere"
Yeah so your basis for judging someone as an idiot is someone that disagrees with you? lol....
"What relevance does this have to anything?" The fact that German wasn't an aggressive expansionist power under Hitler. The Waffen SS was a large international force of people seeking to free their nations from Jewish finance and Jewish Communists. After ww2 ended Jews dominated Communist Warsaw Pact nations. (Ana Pauker, Matyas Rakosi, Erno Gero, Moshe Pijade, and so on) For a "holocaust" there sure was no shortage of Jews to be chairman of communist parties of X countries.
"Great good for them..."
Classy response.
"National Socialism took an emerging nation and reduced it and it's people to ashes"
No, National Socialism eliminated unemployment and brought about an economic/technological spring a new European renaissance. It was those who declared war on Germany who reduced it to rubble and even still Germans rebuilt to become a large economic force again because of their racial stock being better than Jewish finance.
"You know you can be a democratic nation and practice very controlled immigration policies, right?"
Democracy is trash, I'll take my American White Republic back. Mob rule is a failure, different parties all fighting and tearing down each others work over building their own unique vision. National Socialism gets you the best leader with the best policies not based on a certain economic dogma and will go with what works unlike crony EU and crony USA economics. (Too big to fail goyim, give us jew banks free billions so we can still make you pay mortgage that the government bailed us out for!)
"As far as I know Germany wasn't ever occupied until after the war"
Danzig Corridor, Sudeten etc. Just because ww1 ended with a Jewish peace deal, didn't magically change German cities/people into poles/czechs. It's so simple yet you deliberately misrepresent the situation because your narrative is wax paper thin.
"Danzig was never german, it was Prussian territory"
Prussia founded Germany and the leadership was Prussian. This is just retarded grasping at straws.
"Hitler didn't just take Danzig but invaded Poland"
Yes, to end the war with Poland and force them to surrender German land back. However Polish cowards decided to flee to London and act brave calling for resistance safe in Britain.
Just like the cowards of France fled to London, made Philipe Petain PM and then made their "resistance radio" acting brave from across the english channel.
Petain secured an honorable peace with Germany, and didn't lose French land. Britain could have had the same peace as well but refused because Jewish financiers guaranteed USA entry just like they did in ww1 in return for Palestine (Balfour Declaration).
I will say this though jude, Germany has a much greater claim to it's territories than these so called Jew Khazars do to Palestine.
Funny how the media wasn't saying "Germany has a right to defend herself!"
Israel wipes out villages and occupied parts of Syria/Lebanon for decades using American Jets/Tanks/Artillery against third world people with weapons from the Korean War era and somehow Jews make themselves out to be oppressed victims.
Jews always cry holocaust as they genocide. That's why we hear about the fake six million story while neglecting the fact Jewish commissars murderers the Tsar and his family/daughters and murdered tens of millions through killing/gulag/slave labor/forced famine.
"Give us this peacefully or we will invade is not diplomacy"
Unless it's for Israeli/Jewish/US interests. Then it becomes "Operation Iraqi Freedom"
Sorry, Jews/Israel isn't worth young Americans being maimed/losing limbs just to say that Jews/Arabs can vote in a democracy.
Instead we get greasy yid lobbyists saying "No goy the terrorists hate us because we have baseball and women in the workplace! It has nothing to do with what America/Israel does! That's just the inexplicable phenomena of 'anti semitism'!"
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Yes, Danzig had lots of Germans living in it.
Do you know what appeasement is?
No, it would be running to cheer on Hitler as he paraded through your country.
So all the examples of them invading other countries isn't an example of aggression?
The Waffen SS was a German paramilitary force which employed many foreign volunteers.
More nonsequitors
One can't just state unemployment to be ended to make it so. They were masters of cooking the books. The actual unemployed figures were roughly twice what the Nazis claimed with nearly another half million invisible unemployed. The would achieve these figures by including temporary workers as full time employed, working on prestige projects, discluding women from the employment register and discluding jews from the emplyment register. Of course, conscription works really well too- rearmament works, temporarily.
The depression occurring at the time of Hitler's rise to power wasn't unique to Germany, nor was its recovery. The rest of its recovery can attributed to re-armament. No democratic country has ever devoted a portion of its economy to military industry as large as Germany did.
Similarly, many of the policies that kept Germany from bottoming out completely were not Hitler's. His best economist wasn't even a member of the nazi party and wasn't well liked by Hitler or his cronies.
As far as a "European Renaissance" I'll just have to laugh that one off.
Maybe he shouldn't have invaded all those countries or driven his economy to inevitable ruin.
Germany was on its way to bankruptcy in 1938. Completely uncompetitive resources (thanks gold standard), huge raw materials and food imports. The export subsidies of the mid 1930s stopped being effective. Now they couldn't even afford to import. The military-industrial-complex it had used to pick itself up with had stagnated. Of course, assuming control of Czechoslovakia didn't hurt. What about all those loans she took out in 1933 that were due for payment in 1939???
Wait, you mean back when it was a British colony??
You mean the most ruthless.
Yes. Military economies work, for a short period of time.
It also doesn't magically give Germany the right to invade.
You're the one trying to be pedantic.
Prussia wasn't the "founder" of Germany either.
That's some good logic. We'll demand you surrender a piece of territory under threat of invasion, and then when you don't, we'll invade.
Lol. Unbelievable. This isn't even worth addressing. Patent History According to Stormfront 101.
You sure have an obsession with Israel.
Germany had no right to invade anyone.
You sure love Israel.
Non sequitor
Non sequitor
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
So just a bunch of disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.
"You sure love Israel"
"Germany had no right to invade anyone"
All these meaningless responses.
It's all how you choose to utilize your vocabulary.
You present it the Jewish way "Germany invaded Poland!"
Whereas the Germans forced to live in Poland would say "Germany came to save us from Bolsheviks!"
What happened to the nations occupied by Germany? Nothing, most even were left with an improved infrastructure and industrial capacity.
What happened to the nations occupied by Germany's enemies? Mass rape, mass looting, mass murder, setting back technological progress indefinitely, enforced famine, enforced poverty, end of free speech.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Okay
sure
all just
meaningless
responses
good
one
Yes. Germany invaded Poland. They didn't just cartwheel into Poland. They didn't waltz into Poland. They invaded.
No Germans were forced to live in Poland. Moreover, any living in Poland were already doing so, regardless of any border-switching treaties. Poland was invaded. All of it. Not small pockets where there were Germans living that at one time sort of belonged to Germany.
Murder, violence, etc
The conduct of the Western Allies was certainly not perfect but was an order of magnitude greater than German behaviour, which was generally less bad than Soviet. However, the Western allies didn't occupy any country in the capacity that Germany did.
lol...right...
Ah yes, the Nazis' favourite thing. Freedom of speech.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"No Germans were forced to live in Poland"
You forgot treaty of Versailles
Wait no you didnt you just want to poison honest discussion here.
Its too late though the silence is deafening and people are waking up to the fact Hitler was lied about just like Iraq was a lie and Iran is a lie.
Only you the lame shill can do this disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing thing.
The entirety of Poland was invaded to end the war and get Danzig corridor back.
The USSR invaded Poland and the UK France and America helped Stalin. Even when Stalin invaded Lithuania Latvia Estonia Finland and parts of Romania they did nothing.
Stalin tapped Mao early and engineered the Chinese Civil War
But to people like you a fraudulent story of six million is required distraction from the fact Jewish Communists backed by their tribe in the West killed close to 100 million.
Hitler was helping the entire world by fighting the Communist world revolution.
You cry about parts of Poland but are indifferent to the horrors which prompted Hitler to intervene.
When brought up youll just try and reduce the discussion to a lower level or steer it somewhere else.
Nazi is a word invented by Communist Jew Konrad Heiden. National Socialists arent afraid of free speech.
Saying nonsense like "our greatest ally in no wars Israel isnt the only country committing state sanctioned human/organ trafficking so no one can hold Israel accountable!"
Deflection distraction and degeneration
The three Ds of Jewish debate
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
No I didn't. They weren't forced to live in Poland.
Right, Hitler invaded Poland when Poland, who had no obligation to, didn't readily accept warmongering Germany into their territory.
There you go bringing the jews up again.
I think you have an issue conflating reasons for justification or approval.
Actually
I've responded
to everything you've said
and not resorted to nonsequitors
Or hyperbole
Lol yeah they just rounded up all those dissenters and free speech types and sent the to fun summer camp
Hey there's you bringing up Israel again
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Germans arent forced to live in Poland? Because you say so? I guess East Germans were allowed to leave also now?
Who do you think this perverted interpretation will reach? I don't see a jew judge here ready to railroad me for proving Hitlers foreign policy was that of liberation against powers that rape and scorched earth their way through civilization of advanced people who were ready to negotiate peace even though they didnt declare war on Britain and France
They are the ones who turned the Danzig crisis into The Second World War.
They are the ones who armed and funded the expansion of Jewish Communism into East Europe and Asia ensuring tens of millions would be wiped out in gulag starvation hell or being executed as a "counter revolutionary" (Speaking hate speech)
I.brought up Israel because in response to that charge earlier you just said basically other nations do to and so just accept it.
No one should have to tolerate the pedophile talmudic culture of parasitic people who want to murder everyone against their monopolistic drive
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
How is that even close to an appropriate comparison?
Liberation by invading other countries and taking their land.
Huh?
No they weren't.
They were looking to be left alone in their action. They were looking to invade without repercussion. If they were in any way interested in peace they wouldn't have invaded all those countries. That's directly counter to "wanting peace".
They wanted a peaceful resolution to their demands. While they were making all the demands and offers of peace, their army was lining up. They wanted peace the same way a mugger points a knife at you, demands your wallet and says "I just want to do this peacefully"
No no, that would be Hitler invading Poland.
Non sequitor. This has no bearing on Germany's aggression.
No I didn't.
That's why you brought up Israel; you're obsessed with it.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"How is that even close to an appropriate comparison "
How is is not?
"Liberation by taking land" A tiny fraction compared to what France, the UK especially and the USA/USSR. At least the Germans worked with collaboration governments and were only comcerned with partisan activity.
Its becoming not so uncommon knowledge now that the leaders of the earliest communist leadere were Jews that commit to plans to purge all opposition to control of all government but even all production.
These partisans were led by these commissars which is one of the main reason why Hitler issued no mercy for commissars
I already showed you how many Russian people collaborated for the ideals of the Russian Liberation Army which aimed to secure honorable peace with Germany and take Russia back from this international clique's tribal mentality.
Jews support diversity here and ultra nationalism for Israel and even founded Communism.
Just like any other community they have community interests like staffing Hollywood with mainly Jews and supporting Israel from wherever they are with a few brave defectors like David Cole and Mordecai Vanunu.
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Well first off, East Germany and Poland in the interwar period weren't really very similar.
That's why it's a poor comparison.
Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and then the rest of the countries later invaded is a considerable amount more than the territory the UK?? and USA??? divided up
Right, at least they brutally suppressed any dissent.
Wow, an irrelevant mention of jews and your reply isn't even half over.
Yes. Once you continued to modify your stance, you finally arrived at a figure for russian collaborators.
The ROA, and other soviet anti-Stalinist movements or even individual soviets serving within the Heer are not one and the same. Interestingly, the formation of the actual ROA was continually shot down by Hitler until things started getting really desperate. Once formed, the ROA was composed of about two barely full strength divisions with some associated support elements and a handful of understrength ersatz divisions.
For the most part they didn't have much interest in Germany. Their focus was on Russia. The ROA even skirmished with German troops.
Hey look, more about Israel
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
They were similar in how they treated Germans, that's why it's a wonderful comparison. The world has treated rising Germany like complete garbage all throughout the 20th century as if it wasn't them colonizing the entire world.
Slovakia remained independent, Austria was German and voted to unify legitimately. "Rest of the countries later" what?
Dissent is not equal to partisan activity. Armed saboteurs and insurgents, you know the ones that butcher villages and hang who they don't like. The partisans were red pieces of trash led by evil jewish commissars mainly.
"Irrelevant because I say so"
Sorry, nope
"modify stance.....finally arrive at a figure for russian collaboraters"
drivel.
"The ROA even skirmished with German troops"
At the very twilight of war hoping to get away from the terror of Western backed Communism which killed tens of millions and made up a six million fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
"Hey look, more about Israel"
https://vimeo.com/55650631
even more still
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Well no, because East Germany was German and Poland was Polish.
The world was pretty pro Germany until they started a world war.
and then another. And after that one the world spent millions organizing a massive relief effort for it.
And West Germany was always seen in positive light, while East Germany was usually treated with sympathy.
Czechoslovakia was finally invaded by Germany in the spring of 1939.
The Slovak Republic was a Nazi puppet state.
Austria was Austrian.
Austria voted to unify after Germany invaded, bullied, killed and imprisoned dissenters. You don't pay attention too good.
The rest of the countries.... that Germany invaded. Oh wait... "Liberated"
Of course, label anyone who disagrees with you as violent and dangerous and you can do whatever you wish.
I.e. that sort of thing
Yes actually, it doesn't have any relevance. It's just you spamming antisemitic non-sequitors like some neurotic tic.
Which is what you did.
First you made a statement about non-white allies, when proven wrong, you pretended like you said something else.
Yes. They didn't really have much interest with Germany, which is what I said.
more about israel
another mention. this is like some kinda neo nazi tourettes.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Yes, and Polish government treated Danzig corridor Germans worse than animals.
You're just going in circles repeating your irrelevant mantra like some self help routine.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
But they didn't. You're falling back on your geocities sources again.
Nor were Germans in greater Poland treated anything like what occurred in East Germany.
3 ALBKenshiro 2015-04-08
The whole system is fucked up Indian man 'pretended to be black' to get into medical school http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/11517877/Mindy-Kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-medical-school.html
I'm sick and tired of this peoples calling names white supremacy bla bla bla wake the fuck up.
2 MKUltraFeast 2015-04-08
So what's your solution? I bet it is sorta final.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Just like the Nazis!
Just like the Nazis!
Just like the Nazis!
-2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Says a lying jew
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Boring. Have anything substantial to produce or is it just more mindless drivel?
0 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
The anti defamation league
Simon wiesenthal museum of "tolerance"
All they do is demand Jewish will be done in law and courts
Holocaust denial laws etc.
Jews have been kicked out of over a hundred nations for the same crimes.
They would still be banished from England if Jewish financiers didn't bankroll Oliver Cromwell.
Or is all of humanity through history suffering from some unknown disorder that causes people to just wake up one day and say "Im gonna hate Jews!"?
Anti semitism is a slur against people who want to live in a free nation without being flooded with third worlders via immigration death pushed by Jewish organizations
Immigration reform act of 1965 was an Anti Defamation League bill.
If Americans were able to they would never have voted for it and no politician ever runs on a campaign of "I will flood our nation with tens of millions of third worlders and give them preferential laws economically while cursing whites as privileged!"
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
What doe any of these have to do with the points raised?
And?
It's easier to target a distinct, but arbitrary ethnic group than actually bother to root out corruption, greed and nepotism because that would end up putting yourself away.
And?
Anti semitism is a term for hatred towards Jews.
America wasn't founded on immigration.
So? And?
Hearsay.
You're right. Nobody does that anywhere
What do any of these "talking points" have to do with the issue already raised?
It doesn't.
It's just a nonsequitor and essentially spam.
Because you have no argument
Just a selected notepad file of copypasta
Because you're unable to actually address things
So you dump irrelevant or unrelated phrases, buzzwords or names.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
If all you can say is and?, and say that Jews were just arbitrarily chosen to be oppressed and victimized then obviously you have nothing but to disagree for the sake of disagreeing which is what in my OP I asked people to avoid
Also kid hearsay? Do you really think in 1965 most Americans were concerned about bringing in so many third worlders that we become replaced?
Its self evident that you simply feel you have to disagree with a "neo nazi murderer who killed six trillion Jews"
If I said one plus one was two you'd contest
-1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Of course. Because you just drop one word answers without any substantiation or discussion.
I didn't say that.
See this is the problem with your godawful grammar and spelling. It's almost impossible to figure out what is just you fumbling a sentence together and what is your actual, lunatic opinion.
But more to the point; the issue was never about "bringing in so many third worlers we become replaced" (whatever that means).
I disagree with your childish tactics of nonsequitors, copypasta and dodging the question.
Which of course, that last sentence is evidence of.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"because you just drop one word answers"
One word is all that is needed for "We were founded in 1790?"
Stop being petty.
"I didn't say that"
Yes you did. You said
"It's easier to target a distinct, but arbitrary ethnic group than actually bother to root out corruption, greed and nepotism because that would end up putting yourself away."
Them poor Jews were just randomly picked out and they din do nuffin!
"I disagree with your.....copypasta...."
What copypasta? Source pls.
That's what I thought jude, sorry if you think everyone argues like juden do.
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
This retort is so nonsensical.
You first replied, with one word about an article from 1790. When asked what relevance that one single word has, you replied it was something about being founded a white nation
Yes. That's what I said. Good job. That's not the same as:
Please pay better attention.
Huh?
0 [deleted] 2015-04-08
I hear ya, but the main stream right are some special kind of stupid. Murdock has thoroughly skull fucked them for years. It's all zionist sperm dripping out of their mouths everytime they open them.
1 unclescham 2015-04-08
All democracies march steadily to the left. Rupert Murdoch has nothing to do with it.
-4 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
That's what I'm saying, the so called right wing aren't right wing at all.
When republicans totally control both houses and the presidency, still nothing changes economically with the welfare state and total wars for Israel.
Obama continues the same neocon trotskyite policy.
The only party of solutions are the people who fought this system from 1939-1945. The National Socialists.
Either we unite as a race unashamed of building this great society, or we revert back to third world status like many American cities already have.
The choice has never been so clear.
1 [deleted] 2015-04-08
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-5 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Just a link with no description? Not very courteous in my opinion considering I've written this myself to reach other people and not links.
-1 unclescham 2015-04-08
Nevermind then.
-1 Talorca 2015-04-08
Obviously racial identity is not a competition. You either are it or are not and if you think it is you will just end up agreeing with the logic of Hitler when he agreed that the Germans needed to be destroyed. Right from the get go you establish in peoples minds the idea of the race you claim to speak for as transferable based on 'merit'.
And what race exactly only has Nazis to draw on as an example from their history? Zionists.
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Zionists aren't a race they're a cult of atheistic Jews with a parasitic sense of nationalism that depends of plundering Western nations.
Hitler was right on race, the more third worlders we import the more third world we become.
This is so self evident that I consider it a psychological disorder when people disagree. Race is a clear and present truth in every day life.
"Race doesn't exist!"
"But whites are privileged!"
"And blacks need economic preferential treatment codified in law!"
Tired of this kind of horseshit.
0 Talorca 2015-04-08
Big talk but in defining race by non-racial conditions of merit you are still pushing for it's conditions of transferability. As Hitler did before blowing his unworthy brains out. And by attacking Zionism you are most likely just trying to impose anti-racism on historically Christian societies (just as the Christian / feudalist attackers of the Pharisees try to do).
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Hitler died in the same manner as Jesus Christ. His ideology and spirit are reborn and the Jewish system faces an even greater challenge since instead of a small central European state they face the world revolting.
By attacking Zionism I am doing my duty as an American to restore power to We the People of this White Republic. (Naturalization Act of 1790).
0 Talorca 2015-04-08
Left out indentured servants, slaves, and most women.
i.e. A foundation of imposing anti-racism on society (imposing it on servants, slaves, and most women) by the feudal attackers of the Pharisees who imposed on the British people there (unlike in Canada).
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Thats a far fetched analysis bud
I see your the kind that bases life outlook on feelings
0 Talorca 2015-04-08
Riiight.
2 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"by defining the nations immigration law as free white people...That set the foundation for anti racism!" - hilarious flailing of a fool
0 Talorca 2015-04-08
Well you were involving non-Britons. That was the reason for the civil war: the Anglo-French southern states were going to flood America with slavery and non-Anglosphere people.
The same could not be said for the Scots proper. Although famed poet Robert Burns once wrote an "Ode for General Washington’s Birthday," the Scots who had emigrated to Colonial America were seldom convinced by the patriots’ arguments. Many had fought against the Crown only thirty years previously, but when the Revolution broke out, the majority of Scots sided with Great Britain. Of this there is little dispute. In 1776 former Paisley cleric John Witherspoon, then president of the College of New Jersey and a staunch patriot, tried to change this point of view. He gave an address (later printed as a pamphlet) to the "Natives of Scotland residing in America" that noted: "It has given me no little uneasiness to hear the word Scotch used as a term of reproach in the American controversy." Virginian Thomas Jefferson included a condemnation of "Scotch and other foreign mercenaries" in an early draft of the Declaration of Independence, a phrase that Witherspoon discreetly helped remove. However, Jefferson continued to rail at the "Scotch Tories" for over two decades.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
An American civil war in 1790?
What?
2 Talorca 2015-04-08
No. The civil war that was a direct result of people fearing the looming legal extension of anti-racism that the slaves of about 3% - 4% of the population represented.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Send them back to Africa
Its been this long and jew media still talks about racism and local news is constantly boiling over with black on white violent crime
Diversity doesn't work thats why Jews dont want it for Israel they only push it on non Jews.
Affirmative action is the state recognized recognizing they cant make it without handouts
The civil war also was more about the right to sell southern goods to other powers instead of being forced to sell cheap to northern industrial states and bring forced to buy expensive finished products.
There werent many slave owners compared to southerners that didn't own slaves.
Besides there were bills to buy and free slaves. The USA didn't need war to end slavery
Still though "racism" could end instantly with geographic separation
Whites end slavery win women's rights cure diseases and al we get are hateful non whites incited by a Jewish media that keeps non white crime in local news while only bringing rare instances of white crime to the national news channels.
Also crime stats list Arabs Jews and Mexicans/Central Americans etc as White in order to obviously cook crime statistics
Literally any government would be better than Judeo Bolshevism
Can't even have a discussion on race or the value of Israel to the USA without some human garbage acting as if free speech ends there.
White nations like the USA, Canada, the European Nations etc deserve to keep advancing our society without carrying these forced burdens due to our parasitic relationship with other people's (welfare/social security to illegals, EBT housing medical, paying them to breed and outnumber us)
So yes its become clear not only was Hitler right and just but he was a prophet.
Endless war without borders for "Israel"
2 Talorca 2015-04-08
Forced like the 3rd world was forced?
And grow through hatred of the state. Not submission to it. That's what the Nazis showed.
American agencies have murdered about 40 million people since WWII, 2 million in the last 10 years.
So you are not really a racist. Just pissed.
Muricans are WASP Zionist Yankees and Christian Identityist Redneck 'sinners'. How many people have Israel murdered since WWII? Or even in the last 10 years?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Yes the poor third worlders. We foolishly built thousands of miles of roads and electricity along with hospitals and schools.
"and grow through hatred of the state"
Germany had more non white allies than vice versa and supported Arab liberation.
"American agencies have murdered.."
Yes since the Jewish takeover and cold war as a result of the wrong side winning ww2
"....how many people have Israel murdered"
They have murdered a lot as Jews and communist Jews. Tens of millions.
More millions displaced in Palestine for people that arent even real Hebrews.
Israel also has a $1 billion a year sex slavery trade of white women mostly from former Soviet states
Lavon Affair/USS Liberty attack. 9/11
Israel also allows organ and human trafficking and doesn't even explicitly ban slavery of non Jews.
Jews project onto the National Socialists what they are.
Hitler was right and just
1 Talorca 2015-04-08
Well WASP Zionist Yankees would say it was them who did that.
Germany had more non white allies than vice versa and supported Arab liberation.
And look what happened to their statism.
Your mastery really stinks you know that right?
"....how many people have Israel murdered"
They have murdered a lot as Jews and communist Jews. Tens of millions.
Yes that's what happens when your society is based on economics.
More millions displaced in Palestine for people that arent even real Hebrews.
Yes. Future Americans
Europe isn't far off.
So called mastery again.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
k? What?
1 Talorca 2015-04-08
This is /r/conspiracy.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Youre basically pulling crap out?
Europe is in the same situation as the USA
Even worse with Jewish control you are jailed for criticism of Jews.
1 Talorca 2015-04-08
I was comparing the amount of ex-communist block people in Europe with the middle east.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
England had more than 2 million non-white volunteers India alone.
That's in stark contrast to the few-thousand "non whites" which would make up various volunteer forces fighting "for Germany"; Indische, Free Arab, Ostlegion, Ostturkischen etc.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Free India Army was supported by Japan. Gandhi considered Hitler a friend.
An entire army of Russian volunteers joined the Axis.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
The Free Indian Army boasted, at its peak, around 40,000 members. Many of which weren't volunteers.
Similarly, while they fought for Japan, they were never allied with Germany in any capacity, much less fought for them. So the INA doesn't count towards your "non white allies of Germany". (The Indian Legion would, however)
More stormfront propaganda.
Gandhi lent his support to Britain and its people, at least as much as a staunch nonviolence advocate can. Of course, the "friend" term was used when Gandhi addressed Adolf in a letter trying to persuade him from going to war. Another letter followed a year later using the same tone.
Yes, I mentioned that. While there were many soviet volunteers, there was nowhere near army-strength amount of Russian volunteers. There were a variety of central asian ethnicities who fought, not many of them "non-white".
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_collaborationism_with_the_Axis_powers
Unprecedented numbers of Soviet citizens collaborated with the Axis powers during World War II. They were both ethnically Russian and non-Russian. It is estimated that the number of Soviet collaborators with the Nazi German military was between one and two and a half million.
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Great copypasta. And you'll see how I mentioned all of that, if you'd bothered to actually read. Most of these soviets were white.
If you had bothered to make your statement solely about foreign volunteers, things would be different, but you specified "non white"; of which there weren't that many, much less in comparison to what the British could boast.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"Weren't that many"
A lot more than Germany's enemies.
Britain used basically conscripted slave soldiers, India did not ever want to be a British subjugated colony, neither did Africa and Palestine and the part of Asia Britain was subjugating using brutal methods.
Kind of funny how the world's largest colonial empires who brutally subjugated these people have the gall to paint Germany as an aggressor to the ignorant masses.
It's the same hilarious portrayal of Jews as holocaust victims when Jewish commissars slaughtered entire nations of innocent people.
"Most of these soviets were white"
White people count buddy, more so than most.
There were Black, Arab, and Asian volunteers in service to National Socialisms' worthy cause.
We don't need Jewish run central banks to play middle man with our dealings with other nations. We don't need a corrupt Jewish controlled United Nations and their laughable attempt at establishing "international" law.
The British lost the war completely and soundly, the American taxpayers were the ones lend leasing our prosperity away to Jewish Communism. My nation is the only reason the USSR wasn't a backwards state in civil war when Hitler kicked in the door. We sent unlimited aid to build up the USSR from the first year FDR was elected he set up unprecedented aid programs to build up the soviet state.
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
So you just ignored everything I posted and went back to your original, wrong, assertion.
India alone contributed over 2 million volunteers. That one nation contributed more non-white troops than the entirety of Germans foreign legions, non-white or otherwise.
So what does that have to do with your bad math about non-whites fighting for germany?
Yes. Not very many of them.
How did they lose the war? As far as I know they met every single one of their strategic goals and a good deal of their tactical ones.
They remain a world leader and have always been a G6/7/8 nation.
No, that would be the blood of millions of soviet troops
By the time the majority of Allied lend-lease kicked in for the ussr, the war in the east was already decided.
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
It's funny I go off to work and socialize but as a shill its your job to immediately pollute every statement i make
Also ww2 didn't start in FDRs first year of office.
He recognized the USSR and set up aid programs even sent hundreds of engineers and their families to build up their backwards state
Stalin ended up kidnapping them since he couldn't replace the skilled labor.
Such a simple jew
1 shmusko01 2015-04-08
I didn't say anything about that?
Yes, the US sent aid to the ussr.
And? Your point?
0 shmusko01 2015-04-08
Ammended.
Modified.
More of that hearsay.
Hearsay. I don't think I've seen a single statement of fact from you.
What does that have to do with anything?
Like in Nazi Germany!
I grew up in a minority white neighbourhood and never had these issues. Meh.
A black man threw a bbq for the whole street every year and ran most of the school's volunteer extracurricular activities. Sounds like you are just suffering from having a shit childhood.
Hey I wonder if that has to do with third world wages and absurdly expensive cost of living?
Citation needed. Hart Cellar was quite popular; specifically because it pertained to job-placement ability and familial ties over arbitrary quota.
Everything is a coverup with you people, isn't it?
Not America's first immigration law. Laws regarding immigration didn't start showing up until the 19th century. The 1790 article regarded citizenship.
Show me where I said that?
Huh?
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
"No Germans were forced to live in Poland"
You forgot treaty of Versailles
Wait no you didnt you just want to poison honest discussion here.
Its too late though the silence is deafening and people are waking up to the fact Hitler was lied about just like Iraq was a lie and Iran is a lie.
Only you the lame shill can do this disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing thing.
The entirety of Poland was invaded to end the war and get Danzig corridor back.
The USSR invaded Poland and the UK France and America helped Stalin. Even when Stalin invaded Lithuania Latvia Estonia Finland and parts of Romania they did nothing.
Stalin tapped Mao early and engineered the Chinese Civil War
But to people like you a fraudulent story of six million is required distraction from the fact Jewish Communists backed by their tribe in the West killed close to 100 million.
Hitler was helping the entire world by fighting the Communist world revolution.
You cry about parts of Poland but are indifferent to the horrors which prompted Hitler to intervene.
When brought up youll just try and reduce the discussion to a lower level or steer it somewhere else.
Nazi is a word invented by Communist Jew Konrad Heiden. National Socialists arent afraid of free speech.
Saying nonsense like "our greatest ally in no wars Israel isnt the only country committing state sanctioned human/organ trafficking so no one can hold Israel accountable!"
Deflection distraction and degeneration
The three Ds of Jewish debate
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
Thats because you are callous towards the plight of anyone not Jewish apparently since a fraud six million is nothing to what communists did
1 Na7Soc 2015-04-08
people weren't gassed There is zero evidence
Also Berlin was surrounded and Europa carpet bombed with phosphorous. No food or medicine could move anywhere
If the west negotiated peace they could have let National Socialists and Communists fight but instead they starved European cities and bombed everything
They created the conditions for skinny camp inmates
This is all so very obvious.